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On September 17 2012 17:08 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 16:42 zedrOne wrote:
Stephano press conference :
"i'm not cocky, I just say what the audience want to hear"
he's trolling all of you.
As has already been posted in this thread. But if you really want to reach the conclusion that Stephano is an antisocial, spiteful asshole based on a few lines in a stage-interview, well, it's better just to ignore that part.. As far as I can tell, this whole discussion of 'attitude' is just a cover for people looking for a point to stick their dislike of Stephano on. Maybe because they prefer Naniwa, maybe because it irks them when people praise players outside of Korea or maybe simply because they don't like to like the top dog. But those reasons seem petty, and so instead he is turned into this malicious caricature of a person in order to justify that feeling of bad when Stephano confirms his spot at the head of the table by winning another tournament. "Don't you see? It's not that I'm mad because Stephano proved me wrong again, it's that he is killing esport!"
And if I may add something relevant to this conversation, I think anyone who had the pleasure to talk a bit with Stephano would agree on the fact that he's a really nice kid. His laid-back, "I don't really care" attitude can sound a bit annoying sometimes, but it does not take anything away from the fact that he's really funny with a great personnality. If anything (and as mentionned earlier), his over-displayed confidence in tournaments is a way to create drama: he does love trolling, and from the butthurt comments in this thread, he is indeed quite successful at it...
Relax, and take Starcraft for what it is: a game.
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Amazing tournament, watching the vods ebcause the times weren'
t nice 
awesome production, awesome players, awesome prize pool! now all that's left is to watch all the games !! <3
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Nice tournament indeed.
Was really surprised that Lucifron took just 3rd place he did really good, a 100 killed drones each game is just crazy.
I really think that he will be top-tier international terran really soon, he is already europe's thats for sure.
Grubby also was awesome, he is just such a good person.
Didn't really like stephano's manners, but meh, he is just cocky.
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very nice tournament!
good players, good casters, good production, awesome games!
but I didnt like the finals at all. Of course this is the most most fair system for players, but i think it takes way to much tension from the finals. I do think the player from the winner bracket deserves an advantage, but making it a whole best of 3 is too much i think.
But other than that a awesome tournament!
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Why not a whole BO3 ? The more games they play against each other the more chance that it is the correct player actually being crowned champion. That is the way I see it at least. 
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Great tournament! Congratulations to Stephano!
This Dreamhack really raised the bar in the way of production level and I hope we can see some improvement in the future not just from people like IEM and MLG but from everyone in general.
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Bo3 final is meh.
But good tournement overall.
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On September 17 2012 19:35 FaCE_1 wrote:
Bo3 final is meh.
But good tournement overall.
Yup, can tell you watched the tournament and have amazing reading comprehension.
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On September 17 2012 17:08 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 16:42 zedrOne wrote:
Stephano press conference :
"i'm not cocky, I just say what the audience want to hear"
he's trolling all of you.
As has already been posted in this thread. But if you really want to reach the conclusion that Stephano is an antisocial, spiteful asshole based on a few lines in a stage-interview, well, it's better just to ignore that part.. As far as I can tell, this whole discussion of 'attitude' is just a cover for people looking for a point to stick their dislike of Stephano on. Maybe because they prefer Naniwa, maybe because it irks them when people praise players outside of Korea or maybe simply because they don't like to like the top dog. But those reasons seem petty, and so instead he is turned into this malicious caricature of a person in order to justify that feeling of bad when Stephano confirms his spot at the head of the table by winning another tournament.
"Don't you see? It's not that I'm mad because Stephano proved me wrong again, it's that he is killing esport!"
Good post m0ck. I think you nailed it
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Good tournament with really nice production, the game were a bit of a wash out because Stephano so severly outclassed everyone else at the tournament and without Koreans the standards drops off a bit.
Stephano will be a lot more likely to play GSL/OSL under EG I think as they really care about winning and being regarded as the best on the global scene, where as Millenium are so bad at marketting they don't even have an English language version of their website.
I think Starcraft in general is way too volatile and it kills of a lot of the potantial stories and and rivalries that we could have because there's about 50 guys (40 of them Korean and probably rising to 60-70 now KeSPA are invovled) who can all beat each other without it even being much of an upset and this feels too random. We'd be far better off with a Federer/Nadal rivalry or a Federer/Nadal/Djokovic triumvirate than the current anarchy where 17 different players have won the 24 different Premier LAN's this year and no one has won more than 2 (Violet, MVP, MMA, DRG, MKP, Stephano and MC all have 2).
So with that said I'm glad for a tournament where by far the best player in it won comfortably and I hope we see this happen a lot more in HOTS.
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On September 17 2012 21:19 Play Crack The Sky wrote:
Stephano will be a lot more likely to play GSL/OSL under EG I think as they really care about winning and being regarded as the best on the global scene, where as Millenium are so bad at marketting they don't even have an English language version of their website.
Who would read a half-assed translated English website of Millenium? It needs to be the rally point for the French scene where their sponsors operate. Do you regularly read the English website of Empire? Millenium changed from a respectable, but not major clan in WC3 to a SC2 clan, that elevated two players to the top, hosts its own cups and has its own team house. They must be doing something right.
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On September 17 2012 21:19 Play Crack The Sky wrote:
Good tournament with really nice production, the game were a bit of a wash out because Stephano so severly outclassed everyone else at the tournament and without Koreans the standards drops off a bit.
Stephano will be a lot more likely to play GSL/OSL under EG I think as they really care about winning and being regarded as the best on the global scene, where as Millenium are so bad at marketting they don't even have an English language version of their website.
I think Starcraft in general is way too volatile and it kills of a lot of the potantial stories and and rivalries that we could have because there's about 50 guys (40 of them Korean and probably rising to 60-70 now KeSPA are invovled) who can all beat each other without it even being much of an upset and this feels too random. We'd be far better off with a Federer/Nadal rivalry or a Federer/Nadal/Djokovic triumvirate than the current anarchy where 17 different players have won the 24 different Premier LAN's this year and no one has won more than 2 (Violet, MVP, MMA, DRG, MKP, Stephano and MC all have 2).
So with that said I'm glad for a tournament where by far the best player in it won comfortably and I hope we see this happen a lot more in HOTS.
I disagree with several points. First of all, Millenium caters to the French audience so not sure why they would need an English version of their site. Would it be a good bonus, sure, but might not be worth the effort. Does EG have a Chinese version of their site? One can be successful without catering to the English speak crowd. There are plenty of other websites that does that.
SC2 is pretty volatile but only slightly more so compare to BW. Even Flash only has a 70% win rate. Having domination like tennis would be pretty boring since all you need is to tune in for the semis and finals.
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On September 17 2012 21:55 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 21:19 Play Crack The Sky wrote:
Stephano will be a lot more likely to play GSL/OSL under EG I think as they really care about winning and being regarded as the best on the global scene, where as Millenium are so bad at marketting they don't even have an English language version of their website.
Who would read a half-assed translated English website of Millenium? It needs to be the rally point for the French scene where their sponsors operate. Do you regularly read the English website of Empire? Millenium changed from a respectable, but not major clan in WC3 to a SC2 clan, that elevated two players to the top, hosts its own cups and has its own team house. They must be doing something right.
Are you seriously suggesting it's a bad idea to have a website for an online gaming community which is actually readable by more than 5% of it?
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On September 17 2012 21:58 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 21:19 Play Crack The Sky wrote:
Good tournament with really nice production, the game were a bit of a wash out because Stephano so severly outclassed everyone else at the tournament and without Koreans the standards drops off a bit.
Stephano will be a lot more likely to play GSL/OSL under EG I think as they really care about winning and being regarded as the best on the global scene, where as Millenium are so bad at marketting they don't even have an English language version of their website.
I think Starcraft in general is way too volatile and it kills of a lot of the potantial stories and and rivalries that we could have because there's about 50 guys (40 of them Korean and probably rising to 60-70 now KeSPA are invovled) who can all beat each other without it even being much of an upset and this feels too random. We'd be far better off with a Federer/Nadal rivalry or a Federer/Nadal/Djokovic triumvirate than the current anarchy where 17 different players have won the 24 different Premier LAN's this year and no one has won more than 2 (Violet, MVP, MMA, DRG, MKP, Stephano and MC all have 2).
So with that said I'm glad for a tournament where by far the best player in it won comfortably and I hope we see this happen a lot more in HOTS. I disagree with several points. First of all, Millenium caters to the French audience so not sure why they would need an English version of their site. Would it be a good bonus, sure, but might not be worth the effort. Does EG have a Chinese version of their site? One can be successful without catering to the English speak crowd. There are plenty of other websites that does that. SC2 is pretty volatile but only slightly more so compare to BW. Even Flash only has a 70% win rate. Having domination like tennis would be pretty boring since all you need is to tune in for the semis and finals.
BW is still far too volatile it's just not as bad as Sc2.
As DjWheat, 2GD, Incontrol and countless others have said it's the storyline that sells ESports (and other individual sports too) not just the game itself.
What is the most viewed Sc2 game of all time? I'll tell you it's Boxer vs Nada from GSL Season 2, a TvT from a time when all anyone did was cheese each other featuring two players neither of whom were ever the best Terran's in this game. Why? because that game has story and name recognition by the bucket load.
Stories and big names should be the foundation of the sport, what we need is Ali vs Frazier, Nadal vs Federer, Samprass vs Agassi, Senna vs Prior, Real Madrid vs Barcelona (with Messi vs Ronaldo to boot), Man Utd vs Liverpool.
That is story and structure right.
Where as in Sc2 we have about 8 guys who are all joint best player in the world and another 40 guys who can all easilly beat them on their day in their best matchup, and another 40 guys beyond that who are capable of beating them if they're a bit lucky. That completely displays all the storylines and mystique about the players. Top players should be absolute God's of the game who can only be beaten by other God's except for on rare occassions where a guy upsets them (which is then a massive deal and memorable moment, as opposed to oh look Stephano lost to Oz who did so cool gate expands, that's nice).
Even amongst other Esports you want to see Justin Wong vs Daigo, Rapha vs Cypher, Moon vs Grubby and Flash vs Jaedong. It's these legendary stories and rivalries than make a game about more than just "these guys are both great players, i hope my guy wins".
In Sc2 nothing had more hype and got people more excited than Idra vs Huk when Huk was still on Liquid and they were the best two foreign players. If we'd ever managed to get a major final between them that would have no doubt have been the highest viewers we'd seen in foreign Sc2.
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On September 17 2012 21:59 Play Crack The Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 21:55 SinCitta wrote:On September 17 2012 21:19 Play Crack The Sky wrote:
Stephano will be a lot more likely to play GSL/OSL under EG I think as they really care about winning and being regarded as the best on the global scene, where as Millenium are so bad at marketting they don't even have an English language version of their website.
Who would read a half-assed translated English website of Millenium? It needs to be the rally point for the French scene where their sponsors operate. Do you regularly read the English website of Empire? Millenium changed from a respectable, but not major clan in WC3 to a SC2 clan, that elevated two players to the top, hosts its own cups and has its own team house. They must be doing something right. Are you seriously suggesting it's a bad idea to have a website for an online gaming community which is actually readable by more than 5% of it?
It's not necessarily a bad idea but I understand it is not on top of their priorities either. You make it sound like if they made an English language website, the whole community will possibly frequent it. If you really want only English-speaking visitors, you would need strategy and manpower for that and then you would have to ask yourself if that is something you and the community identify as your main goals. Why would you want to read about SC2 news on a French website if you are not French?
If you instead only want it to translate news and press releases, it's barely worth the effort. Google Translate etc. do a decent job for Western languages.
Also, probably far more than 5% of the community can read basic French.
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On September 17 2012 16:41 Spidinko wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 12:45 blizzind wrote:On September 17 2012 12:04 Eriatha wrote:On September 17 2012 12:03 blizzind wrote:
it would be a huge disappointment if stephano never entered the gsl. he has to do it at some point, he just has to. He doesn't have to. He makes more money staying away from Korea and if that's all he's interested in, why would he move? i understand he doesn't care about being one of the best and only cares about money but i just dislike wasted potential i guess Isn't it the other way around? As he earns more money and wins more tournament, his potential doesn't get wasted here. And everybody knows he's one of the best. Ask any Korean pro.
He means that because of this mentality he isn't playing in the GSL, which is undoubtedly the hardest, most stacked tournament in the world.
I really don't mind if Stephano just wants the money, that's his deal not mine, but I won't call someone who doesn't perform in the GSL the best in the world, until then, he just wins a lot of Europa Leagues, but he doesn't even participate in the UCL.
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On September 17 2012 22:25 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 21:59 Play Crack The Sky wrote:On September 17 2012 21:55 SinCitta wrote:On September 17 2012 21:19 Play Crack The Sky wrote:
Stephano will be a lot more likely to play GSL/OSL under EG I think as they really care about winning and being regarded as the best on the global scene, where as Millenium are so bad at marketting they don't even have an English language version of their website.
Who would read a half-assed translated English website of Millenium? It needs to be the rally point for the French scene where their sponsors operate. Do you regularly read the English website of Empire? Millenium changed from a respectable, but not major clan in WC3 to a SC2 clan, that elevated two players to the top, hosts its own cups and has its own team house. They must be doing something right. Are you seriously suggesting it's a bad idea to have a website for an online gaming community which is actually readable by more than 5% of it? It's not necessarily a bad idea but I understand it is not on top of their priorities either. You make it sound like if they made an English language website, the whole community will possibly frequent it. If you really want only English-speaking visitors, you would need strategy and manpower for that and then you would have to ask yourself if that is something you and the community identify as your main goals. Why would you want to read about SC2 news on a French website if you are not French? If you instead only want it to translate news and press releases, it's barely worth the effort. Google Translate etc. do a decent job for Western languages. Also, probably far more than 5% of the community can read basic French.
Because there's a shortage is French Canadians who are perfect at both English and French right?
You need much better than basic French to get any use of the Millenium website.
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On September 17 2012 22:14 Play Crack The Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 21:58 vthree wrote:On September 17 2012 21:19 Play Crack The Sky wrote:
Good tournament with really nice production, the game were a bit of a wash out because Stephano so severly outclassed everyone else at the tournament and without Koreans the standards drops off a bit.
Stephano will be a lot more likely to play GSL/OSL under EG I think as they really care about winning and being regarded as the best on the global scene, where as Millenium are so bad at marketting they don't even have an English language version of their website.
I think Starcraft in general is way too volatile and it kills of a lot of the potantial stories and and rivalries that we could have because there's about 50 guys (40 of them Korean and probably rising to 60-70 now KeSPA are invovled) who can all beat each other without it even being much of an upset and this feels too random. We'd be far better off with a Federer/Nadal rivalry or a Federer/Nadal/Djokovic triumvirate than the current anarchy where 17 different players have won the 24 different Premier LAN's this year and no one has won more than 2 (Violet, MVP, MMA, DRG, MKP, Stephano and MC all have 2).
So with that said I'm glad for a tournament where by far the best player in it won comfortably and I hope we see this happen a lot more in HOTS. I disagree with several points. First of all, Millenium caters to the French audience so not sure why they would need an English version of their site. Would it be a good bonus, sure, but might not be worth the effort. Does EG have a Chinese version of their site? One can be successful without catering to the English speak crowd. There are plenty of other websites that does that. SC2 is pretty volatile but only slightly more so compare to BW. Even Flash only has a 70% win rate. Having domination like tennis would be pretty boring since all you need is to tune in for the semis and finals. BW is still far too volatile it's just not as bad as Sc2. As DjWheat, 2GD, Incontrol and countless others have said it's the storyline that sells ESports (and other individual sports too) not just the game itself. What is the most viewed Sc2 game of all time? I'll tell you it's Boxer vs Nada from GSL Season 2, a TvT from a time when all anyone did was cheese each other featuring two players neither of whom were ever the best Terran's in this game. Why? because that game has story and name recognition by the bucket load. Stories and big names should be the foundation of the sport, what we need is Ali vs Frazier, Nadal vs Federer, Samprass vs Agassi, Senna vs Prior, Real Madrid vs Barcelona (with Messi vs Ronaldo to boot), Man Utd vs Liverpool. That is story and structure right. Where as in Sc2 we have about 8 guys who are all joint best player in the world and another 40 guys who can all easilly beat them on their day in their best matchup, and another 40 guys beyond that who are capable of beating them if they're a bit lucky. That completely displays all the storylines and mystique about the players. Top players should be absolute God's of the game who can only be beaten by other God's except for on rare occassions where a guy upsets them (which is then a massive deal and memorable moment, as opposed to oh look Stephano lost to Oz who did so cool gate expands, that's nice). Even amongst other Esports you want to see Justin Wong vs Daigo, Rapha vs Cypher, Moon vs Grubby and Flash vs Jaedong. It's these legendary stories and rivalries than make a game about more than just "these guys are both great players, i hope my guy wins". In Sc2 nothing had more hype and got people more excited than Idra vs Huk when Huk was still on Liquid and they were the best two foreign players. If we'd ever managed to get a major final between them that would have no doubt have been the highest viewers we'd seen in foreign Sc2.
What we need is for someone like flash to start ripping face like how MVP did last august-december, but do it for a longer period. When we have dominant characters like that, a new star will be born when he beats the legend.
Right now, there are just too many people being able to beat each other. No one will be surprised when Stephano beats a code S korean or vice versa. We need a bonjwa.
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So the best foreigner won in a tournament where Koreans were not allowed to compete in? How fascinating!
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