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[IPTL] Team Liquid vs Evil Geniuses - Premier - Page 6

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Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 13:29:49
September 11 2012 13:29 GMT
#101
Stephano is very good, but I think that in a Team League, he is also the easiest player to snipe ever.

If he wins a game, just send a decent zerg against him and he'll probably lose.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 14:08:00
September 11 2012 13:46 GMT
#102
On September 11 2012 22:29 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano is very good, but I think that in a Team League, he is also the easiest player to snipe ever.

If he wins a game, just send a decent zerg against him and he'll probably lose.


This is not proleague format though, players selected as starters play each other in a bo3.

EDIT: I was thinking of the EGMCSL tournament - This tournament (IPLTAC) is of course using proleague format!
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 14:02:07
September 11 2012 13:57 GMT
#103
On September 11 2012 22:24 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 13:41 Applesmack wrote:
EG easily has the better lineup. I think Hero will have to carry the TL team here for them to stand a chance.


I would give the overall lineup to Liquid... Yeah EG has a couple people that are still impressive, but Liquid's players are (mostly) all in good shape.

Are they?

Taeja and Hero are in good shape, as almost always(although HerO is shaky in ZvP) and Sheth did somewhat decent recently in the PokerStrategy league and beat some foreigners and Rain and only lost to Koreans at MLG.

No idea about TLO, he hasn't done anything in a while, but the fact that Liquid played their three other Zergs in Ret, Zenio and Sheth ahead of him at the IPL TAC finals doesn't make me too confident in his abilities.

Zenio hasn't been good on Liquid like ever (for Korean standards at least) and he's at 47% winrate on TLPD in the last six months against primarily foreigners.

Lastly, Ret hasn't looked good at all in the last couple of weeks, he lost tournament BO3s against players like Heromarine, Satiini and Fuzer, didn't make it out of the group stages at the Battle at Ministry of Win, but it's more the gameplay than the result that made me a bit worried, he didn't look at all like the Ret of old who you could consider a favourite against almost any foreigner.

Edit: Forgot Haypro and Nony, well, I guess they won't play regardless of their teammates' condition.

TL;DR: Taeja, HerO and with some good will Sheth are in good shape, the rest of Liquid doesn't seem to be.

I think Liquid will have a tough time if Taeja doesn't all-kill. Every other player on their team is snipable by JYP.

Acer.ParanOid
Profile Joined June 2007
Poland133 Posts
September 11 2012 14:00 GMT
#104
On September 11 2012 22:46 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 22:29 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano is very good, but I think that in a Team League, he is also the easiest player to snipe ever.

If he wins a game, just send a decent zerg against him and he'll probably lose.


This is not proleague format though, players selected as starters play each other in a bo3.

Winner of first match is NOT playing in the 2nd series, it's two new players that play a bo3

So yeah, not alot of sniping you can do with this format - Except for anticipating what order the opposing team will send out, and order your team accordingly to what you think counters the best.

Also, the ace match (if relevant) is also something that you can mindgame alot with.. Like, If TL thinks that Stephano is going to be EG's ace, they could send Zenio as their ace, as Stephano's ZvZ is abit below his other MU's

However, if it turns out to be PuMa, then Liquid will look like fools to have Zenio as ace, with TaeJa on the roster

Personally, I like the proleague format better, but I think this has its benefits as well, as for instance rewarding line-up depth over individual skill.

This is a KOTH format with bo1 all the way, so your post is irrevelent.
publicenemy~
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
September 11 2012 14:03 GMT
#105
On September 11 2012 23:00 Acer.ParanOid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 22:46 ELA wrote:
On September 11 2012 22:29 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano is very good, but I think that in a Team League, he is also the easiest player to snipe ever.

If he wins a game, just send a decent zerg against him and he'll probably lose.


This is not proleague format though, players selected as starters play each other in a bo3.

Winner of first match is NOT playing in the 2nd series, it's two new players that play a bo3

So yeah, not alot of sniping you can do with this format - Except for anticipating what order the opposing team will send out, and order your team accordingly to what you think counters the best.

Also, the ace match (if relevant) is also something that you can mindgame alot with.. Like, If TL thinks that Stephano is going to be EG's ace, they could send Zenio as their ace, as Stephano's ZvZ is abit below his other MU's

However, if it turns out to be PuMa, then Liquid will look like fools to have Zenio as ace, with TaeJa on the roster

Personally, I like the proleague format better, but I think this has its benefits as well, as for instance rewarding line-up depth over individual skill.

This is a KOTH format with bo1 all the way, so your post is irrevelent.


Ah right - I was just reading the MCSL-thread T.T

Of course! This is IPLTAC! Proleague format all the way
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Brainyac
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany199 Posts
September 11 2012 14:07 GMT
#106
I think it will be a pretty close one...
I say 5:3 or 5:4 for TeamLiquid

PS: If it would be proleague format taeja would teamkill them all :>
Taeja Fighting! <3
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
September 11 2012 14:08 GMT
#107
On September 11 2012 23:07 Brainyac wrote:
I think it will be a pretty close one...
I say 5:3 or 5:4 for TeamLiquid

PS: If it would be proleague format taeja would teamkill them all :>


It is proleague format - Pardon my mispost
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 14:14:02
September 11 2012 14:11 GMT
#108
On September 11 2012 22:46 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 22:29 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano is very good, but I think that in a Team League, he is also the easiest player to snipe ever.

If he wins a game, just send a decent zerg against him and he'll probably lose.


This is not proleague format though, players selected as starters play each other in a bo3.

EDIT: I was thinking of the EGMCSL tournament - This tournament (IPLTAC) is of course using proleague format!

No, this tournament uses all-kill/GSTL format, not Proleague.
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
September 11 2012 14:19 GMT
#109
EG has a lot of Zergs. Most likely will take this one.
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 14:22:35
September 11 2012 14:21 GMT
#110
On September 11 2012 23:19 MicroTastiC wrote:
EG has a lot of Zergs. Most likely will take this one.

EG has Suppy, IdrA, Machine and LzGamer and Stephano; Liquid has Zenio, Ret, Sheth, TLO and Haypro. Sheth has more and one could argue better Zergs exept Stephano who is good at ZvZ but not as good as his other match ups.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 14:25:18
September 11 2012 14:24 GMT
#111
On September 11 2012 23:21 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 23:19 MicroTastiC wrote:
EG has a lot of Zergs. Most likely will take this one.

EG has Suppy, IdrA, Machine and LzGamer and Stephano; Liquid has Zenio, Ret, Sheth, TLO and Haypro. Sheth has more and one could argue better Zergs exept Stephano who is good at ZvZ but not as good as his other match ups.


Argh nvm, misread your post. Actually I'm thinking maybe I read it correctly and you just edited it before I posted..
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
September 11 2012 14:29 GMT
#112
On September 11 2012 23:24 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 23:21 CrazyBirdman wrote:
On September 11 2012 23:19 MicroTastiC wrote:
EG has a lot of Zergs. Most likely will take this one.

EG has Suppy, IdrA, Machine and LzGamer and Stephano; Liquid has Zenio, Ret, Sheth, TLO and Haypro. Sheth has more and one could argue better Zergs exept Stephano who is good at ZvZ but not as good as his other match ups.


Argh nvm, misread your post. Actually I'm thinking maybe I read it correctly and you just edited it before I posted..

Yep, I totally forgot Stephano.
And I miscalculated because of that... What I tried to say is that Liquid has a lot of Zerg players that I would say have reasonable shots at taking out EGs aces. From EGs perspective Stephano is about their only chance to take out TaeJa if he plays well (his TvT looks godly and EGs Protoss lineup isn't that scary I mean JYP is good but against TaeJa?)
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
September 11 2012 14:30 GMT
#113
stephano 4 kill into taeja allkill or taeja 4 kill into stephano allkill?

(shame we don't get to know the starters)
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
September 11 2012 14:30 GMT
#114
finally , some good show coming up
as1
Anta
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany434 Posts
September 11 2012 14:34 GMT
#115
EG got this one...

all kill! go Stephano!
"In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game." mad respect to CloudNineLabs.com http://i.imgur.com/g5KGz.jpg ! I love Dreamhack!
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
September 11 2012 14:39 GMT
#116
I Think if EG can survive Taeja and Hero they can win, this group is pretty tough when i was looking at it. MVP and slayers waiting for them lol
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
September 11 2012 14:44 GMT
#117
On September 11 2012 23:39 HeeroFX wrote:
I Think if EG can survive Taeja and Hero they can win, this group is pretty tough when i was looking at it. MVP and slayers waiting for them lol

group B is worse, IM, ST, Prime
as1
NuKE[vZ]
Profile Joined July 2012
United States249 Posts
September 11 2012 14:47 GMT
#118
On September 11 2012 22:46 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 22:29 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano is very good, but I think that in a Team League, he is also the easiest player to snipe ever.

If he wins a game, just send a decent zerg against him and he'll probably lose.


This is not proleague format though, players selected as starters play each other in a bo3.

EDIT: I was thinking of the EGMCSL tournament - This tournament (IPLTAC) is of course using proleague format!



Proleague format is different I thought? Doesn't IPTL use the GSTL format?
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
September 11 2012 15:04 GMT
#119
stephano has what it takes to take out taeja, after he gets rid of him, it should be do-able for the rest of EG after he gets sniped from a zerg. Zenio could probably easily take stephano out. Then send in puma or something.
Favorite players,Stephano/MVP/Nestea/Gumiho/Life/Jaedong/MMA
ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
September 11 2012 15:06 GMT
#120
team taeja all kill obviously
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