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jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
August 24 2012 15:39 GMT
#141
On August 25 2012 00:33 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 00:19 Darthsanta13 wrote:
On August 25 2012 00:10 monkybone wrote:
On August 25 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
Shit load of terrans in both groups and open brackets


My theory is that they use the ELO system to mathematically determine how many players of what rank they need to give a race-homogeneous tournament, in particular the finals. Thus they invite more Terrans. Just a theory.


All of the players seeded into the group stage got there based on results at previous MLG events. No players got "invited", and especially would not have gotten invited based on what race they play.


Well, are everyone invited purely algorithmically based on previous MLG performances? Are you sure there absolutely no decided invites based on other stuff than that? What about when players can't attend, what decides their invites?

I think that when there is room for choice, they try to make it well-distributed by race.


The seeds are based on performance in the Summer Season (Arena > Invite-Only Online Qualifier > Open Online Qualifier), and (if players have equal standing) MLG Rank.
"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
August 24 2012 15:53 GMT
#142
I am so hyped :D
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
August 24 2012 16:00 GMT
#143
On August 25 2012 00:33 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 00:19 Darthsanta13 wrote:
On August 25 2012 00:10 monkybone wrote:
On August 25 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
Shit load of terrans in both groups and open brackets


My theory is that they use the ELO system to mathematically determine how many players of what rank they need to give a race-homogeneous tournament, in particular the finals. Thus they invite more Terrans. Just a theory.


All of the players seeded into the group stage got there based on results at previous MLG events. No players got "invited", and especially would not have gotten invited based on what race they play.


Well, are everyone invited purely algorithmically based on previous MLG performances? Are you sure there absolutely no decided invites based on other stuff than that? What about when players can't attend, what decides their invites?

I think that when there is room for choice, they try to make it well-distributed by race.


Yes, you can even look on the Liquipedia Article to see exactly how the players get seeded. In a perfect world, the top 16 from Arena and the 8 Kespa players would've all been able to compete in groups so they wouldn't have to go to the unqualified players, but they have consolation matches and such to make sure that this is not a problem.
Hirnfrost
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany938 Posts
August 24 2012 16:07 GMT
#144
where are the europeans?
After Mondays and Tuesdays even the Calender says W T F
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
August 24 2012 16:16 GMT
#145
What the crap is going on here. I am 99.9% sure I saw a post or tweet saying WCS NA should start in just over an hour yet there are no posts about it and nothing on the sidebar.
@followMVT
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 24 2012 16:19 GMT
#146
On August 25 2012 01:16 MVTaylor wrote:
What the crap is going on here. I am 99.9% sure I saw a post or tweet saying WCS NA should start in just over an hour yet there are no posts about it and nothing on the sidebar.


Haha yeah, go back 1 page and you will see it in this thread.
Theres link to, all free HD for the 3hours before MLG starts too :D only reason i watching MLG this weekend tbh, wcs americas ftw
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Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
August 24 2012 16:20 GMT
#147
Is the open bracket official yet? Open bracket starts at 2pm CEST as well?
Blaine
Profile Joined February 2011
Italy188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 16:42:13
August 24 2012 16:41 GMT
#148
Open bracket kicks off at 5.30PM ET (11.30PM CEST) and will be broadcasted only on premium streams for today.

I couldn't find the bracket on liquipedia so I assume it has not been released yet.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
August 24 2012 16:43 GMT
#149
Thanks!
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 16:53:05
August 24 2012 16:44 GMT
#150
Remember like two weeks ago when MLGLee said they would release a full statement before Raleigh explaining their map pool decisions and why they're keeping maps like Shakuras, Tal'darim, etc.?

Yeah.

Edit: Oh, so TL just asked them about it in the Q&A:
MLG: We want to be close to the ladder maps and 'out of box' players. Our ladder maps are the most balanced of any tournament.



Okay...

MLG, where out of box players assemble to compete for 76,000$ on the 'most balanced ladder maps'.

Edit2: Dug up Lee's twitter post. Was not as long ago as I thought. Still, I haven't seen anything about this.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 24 2012 16:50 GMT
#151
On August 25 2012 01:44 StarVe wrote:
Remember like a month ago when MLG said they would soon release a full statement explaining their map pool decisions and why they're keeping maps like Shakuras, Tal'darim, etc.?

Yeah.

Edit: Oh, so TL just asked them about it in the Q&A:
Show nested quote +
MLG: We want to be close to the ladder maps and 'out of box' players. Our ladder maps are the most balanced of any tournament.

https://twitter.com/TeamLiquidLIVE/status/239039556236759040

Okay...

MLG, where out of box players assemble to compete for 76,000$.


for anyone who doubt it: they're clueless idiots.
Zest fanboy.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
August 24 2012 16:53 GMT
#152
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/448_Crux_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE

Getting fed up of having to link this every time people cry about it.

Most balanced map in SC2. Deal with it.
@followMVT
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 24 2012 16:54 GMT
#153
On August 25 2012 01:50 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 01:44 StarVe wrote:
Remember like a month ago when MLG said they would soon release a full statement explaining their map pool decisions and why they're keeping maps like Shakuras, Tal'darim, etc.?

Yeah.

Edit: Oh, so TL just asked them about it in the Q&A:
MLG: We want to be close to the ladder maps and 'out of box' players. Our ladder maps are the most balanced of any tournament.

https://twitter.com/TeamLiquidLIVE/status/239039556236759040

Okay...

MLG, where out of box players assemble to compete for 76,000$.


for anyone who doubt it: they're clueless idiots.


MLG_Demios, could you please comment on this?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 16:57:59
August 24 2012 16:56 GMT
#154
On August 25 2012 01:53 MVTaylor wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/448_Crux_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE

Getting fed up of having to link this every time people cry about it.

Most balanced map in SC2. Deal with it.


With the current patch?

A map could be balanced but then a patch happens and the map becomes imbalanced...
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 24 2012 16:58 GMT
#155
On August 25 2012 01:53 MVTaylor wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/448_Crux_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE

Getting fed up of having to link this every time people cry about it.

Most balanced map in SC2. Deal with it.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/447_Shakuras_Plateau_2.0

good balance here...
Zest fanboy.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 17:01:35
August 24 2012 17:01 GMT
#156
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
August 24 2012 17:01 GMT
#157
On August 25 2012 01:53 MVTaylor wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/448_Crux_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE

Getting fed up of having to link this every time people cry about it.

Most balanced map in SC2. Deal with it.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=maps&id=448&part=games&matchup=all&league=any&from_year=2012&from_month=5&from_day=24&to_year=2012&to_month=8&to_day=24&action=Update

Statistics in the last three months.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 17:06:50
August 24 2012 17:04 GMT
#158
On August 25 2012 01:56 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 01:53 MVTaylor wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/448_Crux_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE

Getting fed up of having to link this every time people cry about it.

Most balanced map in SC2. Deal with it.


With the current patch?

A map could be balanced but then a patch happens and the map becomes imbalanced...


Look, this map isn't designed for the metagame of Zerg get a third base using only 4 queens, a spine and 2 lings! Wow!

Every Z is going to veto it vs P and T anyway and one of the P's is going to veto it in a mirror also unless they both want to get down and dirty. We might see about 2 flipping games played on this the entire tournament as everyone is so terrified of having to actually have different play styles and builds just for specific maps they'd rather infinitely play Cloud Kingdom, Ohana and Daybreak.


On August 25 2012 02:01 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 01:53 MVTaylor wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/448_Crux_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE

Getting fed up of having to link this every time people cry about it.

Most balanced map in SC2. Deal with it.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=maps&id=448&part=games&matchup=all&league=any&from_year=2012&from_month=5&from_day=24&to_year=2012&to_month=8&to_day=24&action=Update

Statistics in the last three months.


Goes along pretty nicely with the World Champ qualification statistics, Internationally everyone beats Terran, and Zergs beat Protoss!

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Battle.net_World_Championship
@followMVT
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 24 2012 17:05 GMT
#159
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Bananas1
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada5 Posts
August 24 2012 17:15 GMT
#160
Stream is up!

Running Round 1 of WCS until MLG Raleigh starts,
Fitzy vs Major (Helmet vs Taco)

Go go.

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