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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 13 2012 18:53 GMT
#41
On August 14 2012 03:49 Dodgin wrote:
I can't imagine the prize money for the grand finals is going to be huge considering how much they are already giving out with the nationals and continentals, but I see your point.



The Blizzcon Invitational was a two day thing and Mvp won $50,000 from that.

I just can't see them building up this huge final and it not having some insane ground-breaking prize pool. If they come out and the winner only gets $50,000 (I KNOW IT'S A LOT), it will be looked at as an anti-climax compared to other e-sports prize pools.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 13 2012 21:34 GMT
#42
On August 14 2012 03:47 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 03:30 Dodgin wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360240

I guess this confirms Mvp's forfeit?


Mvp plays and then jumps right onto a plane.

I don't know why he would forfeit. No one knows what the WCS World Championship prize pool is. How mad would Mvp be if it turns out the winner of the WCS gets $500,000 or something insane?

holy crap 500k hahaha.
i would be happy with like, 75k-150k

500k would be a bit weird, imagine in some no-name won it (stephano IPL3 style) and would overtake 2 years' worth of MC and Mvp work.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 21:46:56
August 13 2012 21:45 GMT
#43
On August 14 2012 01:01 MegaFonzie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 21:50 opterown wrote:
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Poll: HerO vs. Creator?

Creator (38)
 
51%

HerO (36)
 
49%

74 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs. Creator?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Creator


TBH am surprised at this so far, doesn't hero have many more fans than creator?


Yep, but its a slumping HerO versus Creator who has been a PvP maestro of late. I guess people are tipping with their heads rather than their hearts for this one, a rare occurrence in the polls!

Another great night of games, hoping for an EffOrt upset

On August 14 2012 01:21 NrGmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 21:50 opterown wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: HerO vs. Creator?

Creator (38)
 
51%

HerO (36)
 
49%

74 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs. Creator?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Creator


TBH am surprised at this so far, doesn't hero have many more fans than creator?

Creator is above average at PvP, Hero is really bad at PvP. Last time they faced each other at IPL Tournament of Aces, the score was 6-0.


On August 14 2012 01:17 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 21:50 opterown wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: HerO vs. Creator?

Creator (38)
 
51%

HerO (36)
 
49%

74 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs. Creator?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Creator


TBH am surprised at this so far, doesn't hero have many more fans than creator?


IPL Ace Arena (or whatever) is really their only existing H2H record, where Creator completely dominated HerO, in a time where he had much stronger PvP. Nowadays, PvP seems to be his weakest match-up, whereas Creator has remained strong in it. H2H advantage, check. Match-up advantage, check.


On August 14 2012 03:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Creator has a very strong head to head vs Hero so I think I'm going to take him here, especially since he seems to be doing well lately. I don't think DRG will be upset by Effort but I'd like to see one of the Kespa players win. I think I'm going to go with Jaedong because even though I like sC, I think Jaedong has the best chance of pulling this off


hmmm i dnooo... creator's weakest matchup is probably his pvp (he claims so himself) and he has been knocked out of tournaments by pvp more than any other (e.g. out of IEM quals by inori and ace, gsl by nani, ipl5 by yonghwa etc). he probably is above average but it's still not easy to be confident in it like i am for his pvz :D [well i guess with creator derp moments too, hard to be confident all the time, but i guess being more confident in him than mkp is some small consolation ahaha]
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 13 2012 22:14 GMT
#44
THE DONG.
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amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
August 13 2012 22:19 GMT
#45
if the tyrant can't beat a guy with two injured lungs at sc2... I will despair...
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
August 13 2012 22:42 GMT
#46
Pinnacle odds on these games
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Maruprime.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 22:54:24
August 13 2012 22:51 GMT
#47
Jaedong hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On August 14 2012 03:53 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 03:49 Dodgin wrote:
I can't imagine the prize money for the grand finals is going to be huge considering how much they are already giving out with the nationals and continentals, but I see your point.



The Blizzcon Invitational was a two day thing and Mvp won $50,000 from that.

I just can't see them building up this huge final and it not having some insane ground-breaking prize pool. If they come out and the winner only gets $50,000 (I KNOW IT'S A LOT), it will be looked at as an anti-climax compared to other e-sports prize pools.

Particularly compared to Valve's massive $1.000.000 for 1st place at the international. Even with the huge loads of money Blizz is giving away with all the qualifying stages, they need a large number to compete.

I remember when Valve announced TI11's prize pool, I couldn't believe it.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 13 2012 23:01 GMT
#48
Oh man I don't think jaedong will win but god damnit I still believe!
When I think of something else, something will go here
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 23:08:42
August 13 2012 23:06 GMT
#49
On August 14 2012 07:51 mordk wrote:
Jaedong hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 03:53 Fionn wrote:
On August 14 2012 03:49 Dodgin wrote:
I can't imagine the prize money for the grand finals is going to be huge considering how much they are already giving out with the nationals and continentals, but I see your point.



The Blizzcon Invitational was a two day thing and Mvp won $50,000 from that.

I just can't see them building up this huge final and it not having some insane ground-breaking prize pool. If they come out and the winner only gets $50,000 (I KNOW IT'S A LOT), it will be looked at as an anti-climax compared to other e-sports prize pools.

Particularly compared to Valve's massive $1.000.000 for 1st place at the international. Even with the huge loads of money Blizz is giving away with all the qualifying stages, they need a large number to compete.

I remember when Valve announced TI11's prize pool, I couldn't believe it.

For what is worth, Valve has embarked on Dota 2 with a much stronger esports mindset than Blizzard ever displayed, despite their decade of advantage...
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
August 13 2012 23:12 GMT
#50
Though it is hard to say what sort of shape Sc is actually in these days I would be surprised to see Jaedong lose this series. Sc isn't nearly as good as he once was due to his injuries and Jaedong is getting really strong IMO.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26147 Posts
August 13 2012 23:14 GMT
#51
On August 14 2012 06:45 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 01:01 MegaFonzie wrote:
On August 13 2012 21:50 opterown wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: HerO vs. Creator?

Creator (38)
 
51%

HerO (36)
 
49%

74 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs. Creator?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Creator


TBH am surprised at this so far, doesn't hero have many more fans than creator?


Yep, but its a slumping HerO versus Creator who has been a PvP maestro of late. I guess people are tipping with their heads rather than their hearts for this one, a rare occurrence in the polls!

Another great night of games, hoping for an EffOrt upset

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 01:21 NrGmonk wrote:
On August 13 2012 21:50 opterown wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: HerO vs. Creator?

Creator (38)
 
51%

HerO (36)
 
49%

74 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs. Creator?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Creator


TBH am surprised at this so far, doesn't hero have many more fans than creator?

Creator is above average at PvP, Hero is really bad at PvP. Last time they faced each other at IPL Tournament of Aces, the score was 6-0.


Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 01:17 bokchoi wrote:
On August 13 2012 21:50 opterown wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: HerO vs. Creator?

Creator (38)
 
51%

HerO (36)
 
49%

74 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs. Creator?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Creator


TBH am surprised at this so far, doesn't hero have many more fans than creator?


IPL Ace Arena (or whatever) is really their only existing H2H record, where Creator completely dominated HerO, in a time where he had much stronger PvP. Nowadays, PvP seems to be his weakest match-up, whereas Creator has remained strong in it. H2H advantage, check. Match-up advantage, check.


Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 03:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Creator has a very strong head to head vs Hero so I think I'm going to take him here, especially since he seems to be doing well lately. I don't think DRG will be upset by Effort but I'd like to see one of the Kespa players win. I think I'm going to go with Jaedong because even though I like sC, I think Jaedong has the best chance of pulling this off


hmmm i dnooo... creator's weakest matchup is probably his pvp (he claims so himself) and he has been knocked out of tournaments by pvp more than any other (e.g. out of IEM quals by inori and ace, gsl by nani, ipl5 by yonghwa etc). he probably is above average but it's still not easy to be confident in it like i am for his pvz :D [well i guess with creator derp moments too, hard to be confident all the time, but i guess being more confident in him than mkp is some small consolation ahaha]

I don't think it's a matter of being good or bad at PvP, it's just a really volatile matchup. Someone like Oz went from being one of the world's best, to being the butt of jokes on this forum within a month or so!

Really looking forward to this day's play. Damn, I want Jaedong to triumph, but I feel really bad for sC and his health issues
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 23:35:35
August 13 2012 23:35 GMT
#52
Ehh I know it would mean a lot to people if Jaedong won, but I've got to root for sC. I want him to triumph in spite of his struggles and return to the top.

MVP v Happy might be a good series. TvT from known mech players *drools*

The rest I don't really care much about. I only hope DRG crushes.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 23:47:25
August 13 2012 23:45 GMT
#53
On August 14 2012 08:01 blade55555 wrote:
Oh man I don't think jaedong will win but god damnit I still believe!
Actually, i couldn't resist voting/predicting liquibets in favor of jaedong.. :s
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 14 2012 00:26 GMT
#54
On August 14 2012 08:45 Yorbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 08:01 blade55555 wrote:
Oh man I don't think jaedong will win but god damnit I still believe!
Actually, i couldn't resist voting/predicting liquibets in favor of jaedong.. :s

yea i voted for JD too haha
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 14 2012 00:34 GMT
#55
On August 14 2012 09:26 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 08:45 Yorbon wrote:
On August 14 2012 08:01 blade55555 wrote:
Oh man I don't think jaedong will win but god damnit I still believe!
Actually, i couldn't resist voting/predicting liquibets in favor of jaedong.. :s

yea i voted for JD too haha

I also voted for JD. I dont even follow BW and I love sC but the pick is just too alluring for some reason xD
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 14 2012 00:39 GMT
#56
On August 14 2012 03:53 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 03:49 Dodgin wrote:
I can't imagine the prize money for the grand finals is going to be huge considering how much they are already giving out with the nationals and continentals, but I see your point.



The Blizzcon Invitational was a two day thing and Mvp won $50,000 from that.

I just can't see them building up this huge final and it not having some insane ground-breaking prize pool. If they come out and the winner only gets $50,000 (I KNOW IT'S A LOT), it will be looked at as an anti-climax compared to other e-sports prize pools.

I completely agree. I actually went through liquipedia last week and was adding up the totals from WCS so far. This is what i found:

Of the individual country qualifiers, Blizzard has given out $273,980.

For the continental qualifiers, Blizzard is paying out $135,600 not including Asia as I couldn't find their total. With Europe getting $60k, I expect it to be around there. I believe I did all my math correctly on these numbers, but its possible i did not.

So without the Asia numbers and the actual WCS Championship numbers, Blizzard will give out $409,580. Pretty decent chunk of change. But I think it will sky rocket after the Championship numbers are announced. We have seen $100,000 prize pools multiple times. It would be really underwhelming to see WCS just do that. Especially when the Europe finals are getting $60,000. Hell Europe and NA together are $90,000. WCS finals has to give more than Europe, NA, Asia and Oceania imo.

I think the winner would have to get at least $100,000. Thats what the early seasons of GSL were pretty much. Another thing to think of is Riot and Valve. Valve has their $1 million dollar Dota 2 tournament. Riot is giving out like $25 million next year. Blizzard is certainly keeping their eyes on that. I don't know if Blizzard will match what Valve is doing, but I dont think it will be far off.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 14 2012 00:48 GMT
#57
I'll laugh REAL hard if Jaedong loses.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 14 2012 00:52 GMT
#58
On August 14 2012 09:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 03:53 Fionn wrote:
On August 14 2012 03:49 Dodgin wrote:
I can't imagine the prize money for the grand finals is going to be huge considering how much they are already giving out with the nationals and continentals, but I see your point.



The Blizzcon Invitational was a two day thing and Mvp won $50,000 from that.

I just can't see them building up this huge final and it not having some insane ground-breaking prize pool. If they come out and the winner only gets $50,000 (I KNOW IT'S A LOT), it will be looked at as an anti-climax compared to other e-sports prize pools.

I completely agree. I actually went through liquipedia last week and was adding up the totals from WCS so far. This is what i found:

Of the individual country qualifiers, Blizzard has given out $273,980.

For the continental qualifiers, Blizzard is paying out $135,600 not including Asia as I couldn't find their total. With Europe getting $60k, I expect it to be around there. I believe I did all my math correctly on these numbers, but its possible i did not.

So without the Asia numbers and the actual WCS Championship numbers, Blizzard will give out $409,580. Pretty decent chunk of change. But I think it will sky rocket after the Championship numbers are announced. We have seen $100,000 prize pools multiple times. It would be really underwhelming to see WCS just do that. Especially when the Europe finals are getting $60,000. Hell Europe and NA together are $90,000. WCS finals has to give more than Europe, NA, Asia and Oceania imo.

I think the winner would have to get at least $100,000. Thats what the early seasons of GSL were pretty much. Another thing to think of is Riot and Valve. Valve has their $1 million dollar Dota 2 tournament. Riot is giving out like $25 million next year. Blizzard is certainly keeping their eyes on that. I don't know if Blizzard will match what Valve is doing, but I dont think it will be far off.

wow, those are some decent numbers. more than i was expecting :D
and yeah, i am now probably expecting ~100k for the winner
sigh no mkp. looks like creator will win it
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Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1704 Posts
August 14 2012 01:13 GMT
#59
EFFORT FIGHTINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
August 14 2012 02:19 GMT
#60
On August 14 2012 08:06 WigglingSquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:51 mordk wrote:
Jaedong hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On August 14 2012 03:53 Fionn wrote:
On August 14 2012 03:49 Dodgin wrote:
I can't imagine the prize money for the grand finals is going to be huge considering how much they are already giving out with the nationals and continentals, but I see your point.



The Blizzcon Invitational was a two day thing and Mvp won $50,000 from that.

I just can't see them building up this huge final and it not having some insane ground-breaking prize pool. If they come out and the winner only gets $50,000 (I KNOW IT'S A LOT), it will be looked at as an anti-climax compared to other e-sports prize pools.

Particularly compared to Valve's massive $1.000.000 for 1st place at the international. Even with the huge loads of money Blizz is giving away with all the qualifying stages, they need a large number to compete.

I remember when Valve announced TI11's prize pool, I couldn't believe it.

For what is worth, Valve has embarked on Dota 2 with a much stronger esports mindset than Blizzard ever displayed, despite their decade of advantage...


I don't know just how well informed you are, Valve did that to kick start Dota2 as an e-sport and gain attention. It has LoL to compete with, which is wildly popular everywhere, SC2 doesn't have as much competition.
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