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On July 24 2012 09:24 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:21 Zath.erin wrote:On July 24 2012 09:17 Heavenlee wrote:On July 24 2012 09:16 city42 wrote:On July 24 2012 09:11 Noocta wrote:On July 24 2012 09:10 Sabu113 wrote:On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote:
Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over.
Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight. On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote:
Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote:
Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg. Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me. And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post. If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead. He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight. Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas. Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game. Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time.
??? What that was an extremely early 4th. and almost every protoss goes for tons of charge zealots! They are critical to tank and close the distance on stimmed kiting bio.
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On July 24 2012 09:26 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:24 Fusilero wrote:On July 24 2012 09:23 Zambrah wrote:On July 24 2012 09:23 Fusilero wrote:On July 24 2012 09:22 Zambrah wrote:On July 24 2012 09:21 Noocta wrote:On July 24 2012 09:18 yeint wrote:On July 24 2012 09:16 Bagration wrote:
Snipe snipe snipe.
Idra snipes MKP
Demuslim snipes Creator.
Damn, if EG actually wins this... Well, Prime put a Zerg versus Demu on the world's biggest map. I hope his TvZ has made leaps and bounds in the past few weeks. I don't know the actual stats but Atlantis don't feel unwinnable as Terran. MKP or Polt did some great TvZ on that map, and won. It's big but nice for drops and there isn't that many path to attack. Terran like that. Hack got to Raven/BC against LosirA on this map, if I'm not mistaken. (I'm really obsessed with that game) The raven/BC was kind of a formality though, hack had already pretty much won with his berserk drops and losira's pretty poor reaction to it. Do not ruin my exaltation, dammit. DON'T DO IT! There's always MVP vs golden to see BC/raven destroy zerg. Hack does Mech TvP though, so I want him to be the one I remember for it. :< I love Hack.
I can totally ruin that for you as well but I won't this time :>.
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On July 24 2012 09:24 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:21 Zath.erin wrote:On July 24 2012 09:17 Heavenlee wrote:On July 24 2012 09:16 city42 wrote:On July 24 2012 09:11 Noocta wrote:On July 24 2012 09:10 Sabu113 wrote:On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote:
Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over.
Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight. On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote:
Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote:
Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg. Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me. And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post. If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead. He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight. Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas. Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game. Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time.
His 4th was quite early, pretty sure he was still mining happily from his main, so it's not like it significantly altered his income. I think his main and natural were getting dry about the time he took his 5th.
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On July 24 2012 09:26 Badfatpanda wrote:Yay we get to see PuMa  Hope this is a good match, kinda surprised to see him out so early though...
dunno why they send him against a zerg, probably because of antiga..
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Puma will lose to B4, then Incontrol will 3-kill B4, Maru and Byun. You heard it here first.
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Game was way more fun to watch in mid to late 2011 to be honest, I don't really with Kevin with that.
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On July 24 2012 09:28 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:26 polyphonyEX wrote:
Well, Incontrol stopped streaming before this so I can only assume EG is going to win. The games were played a week ago.
his point remains.
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Catspajamas going full Pollyanna.
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On July 24 2012 09:28 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:26 polyphonyEX wrote:
Well, Incontrol stopped streaming before this so I can only assume EG is going to win. The games were played a week ago.
Yeah but last time, every EG member was streaming during the cast, and that was when they got all killed. :p
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On July 24 2012 09:28 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:26 polyphonyEX wrote:
Well, Incontrol stopped streaming before this so I can only assume EG is going to win. The games were played a week ago.
Its more about the fact that if they stream during, we assume that its because they dont want everyone to see them lose. ;-P
So this means they want more viewers to see their win. :-D
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On July 24 2012 09:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:24 Heavenlee wrote:On July 24 2012 09:21 Zath.erin wrote:On July 24 2012 09:17 Heavenlee wrote:On July 24 2012 09:16 city42 wrote:On July 24 2012 09:11 Noocta wrote:On July 24 2012 09:10 Sabu113 wrote:On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote:
Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over.
Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight. On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote:
Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote:
Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg. Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me. And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post. If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead. He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight. Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas. Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game. Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time. ??? What that was an extremely early 4th. and almost every protoss goes for tons of charge zealots! They are critical to tank and close the distance on stimmed kiting bio.
Meh. Maybe he was just tying up too much gas with upgrades and other things but he was way too zealot heavy with not enough templar and other gas units IMO. I can't imagine a reason to have such an expensive upgrade as shields but having so few high templar and maxing out with so many zealots.
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On July 24 2012 09:28 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:26 polyphonyEX wrote:
Well, Incontrol stopped streaming before this so I can only assume EG is going to win. The games were played a week ago.
He means that Incontrol doesn't want to take viewers away from EG's victory. I mean, come on man, EG's not gonna play Incontrol or Machine in such an important match.
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I would like PuMa more as a TvT sniper, since his TvT is pretty boss. JYP probably would have been the better option here, since his vZ is pretty boss and they're likely to send out ByuN next, which is not someone you want to put JYP up against.
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On July 24 2012 09:30 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 24 2012 09:24 Heavenlee wrote:On July 24 2012 09:21 Zath.erin wrote:On July 24 2012 09:17 Heavenlee wrote:On July 24 2012 09:16 city42 wrote:On July 24 2012 09:11 Noocta wrote:On July 24 2012 09:10 Sabu113 wrote:On July 24 2012 09:07 Noocta wrote:
Protoss have like more than 20 gateway, it's over.
Terran can't follow the flow of production against that.
The only possibility is Demuslim CRUSHING the fight. On July 24 2012 09:06 Cramsy wrote:
Yeah Demuslim waited too long. Totally over On July 24 2012 09:03 Bagi wrote:
Demuslim has waited too long, this is pretty much a gg. Waiting for the excuses. How you all have such terrible collective memory of last fall beats me. And Demuslim crushed the fight hard enough so that Creator wasn't able to hold to start rebuilding. I don't know why you're quoting my post. If demuslim don't crush the fight hard ( like protoss losing 50 supply more overall atleast ) he's probably dead. He was always going to crush the fight though. Creator had the worst unit composition of all time. He was never ahead because he maxed too soon on almost pure chargelots. Even without EMPs Demuslim would have won that fight. Yeah, his fourth was way too delayed for no reason. He was floating like 1000 minerals at one point with almost no gas. Are you talking about creator? His 4th was extremely early that game. Not really, it could have been much earlier. There is no point having that many zealots besides floating a ton of minerals and not having enough gas. He should be able to see if Demuslim is moving across the map, which he never really did for a long time. ??? What that was an extremely early 4th. and almost every protoss goes for tons of charge zealots! They are critical to tank and close the distance on stimmed kiting bio. Meh. Maybe he was just tying up too much gas with upgrades and other things but he was way too zealot heavy with not enough templar and other gas units IMO. I can't imagine a reason to have such an expensive upgrade as shields but having so few high templar and maxing out with so many zealots.
Maxing out very zealot heavy with good upgrades is gaining a lot of popularity. A mass of chargelots does surprisingly very well against bio, the problem was yes, instead of the shield upgrades he should of gotten a couple more templar and he waited to long. He gave Demuslim time get get like 10+ ghosts with that his zealot heavy army is a lot worse.
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Why do people move out with small groups vs B4, he always makes a load of lings early on so just play safe.
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On July 24 2012 09:29 Noocta wrote:
Game was way more fun to watch in mid to late 2011 to be honest, I don't really with Kevin with that.
Absolutely. TvT was insane, PvP was in a brief period of awesomeness where it wasn't 4gate or war of the worlds every game thanks to guys like Hero, PvZ the archon toilet was just starting to be SUCH a staple of it. TvZ actually was exciting the entire way along rather than now where it sees about as little action as early game PvZ. It was fantastic.
I have some faith tho, ZvZ is great now, though TvT is usually just Marine + Tank, PvZ we're starting to see carriers which is nice and PvP is starting to show signs of life beyond War of the Worlds
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On July 24 2012 09:33 Zambrah wrote:
I would like PuMa more as a TvT sniper, since his TvT is pretty boss. JYP probably would have been the better option here, since his vZ is pretty boss and they're likely to send out ByuN next, which is not someone you want to put JYP up against.
Wouldn't be a bad choice to send out Thorzain vs him tho.
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What is with these move-outs?
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B4's build seems inefficient, I think he was supposed to get lair earlier. He's constantly floating 700+ gas.
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