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On July 15 2012 08:18 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:17 Mioraka wrote:On July 15 2012 08:14 Azarkon wrote:On July 15 2012 08:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:08 Zacsafus wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 Azarkon wrote:
For a moment there I thought Stephano had lost when he had banked 4k minerals and 2k gas while being stuck on roach ling + corrupters, but he made the perfect remax after taking out those colossi and the macro hatch solved his larvae problem. Flawless play. Perfect remax is 144 lings? im pretty sure just any remax of antyhing but drones or corruptors would have won him that, calling it perfect is kinda silly considering it was just 144 lings cz he could make anything else No it is actually really smart, he focus down everything in MC army that is well equipped to kill zerglings and then remax on zerglings. There was still plenty of immortals and stalkers left after that fight, had he remaxed on roach it would have been way less cost effective. Yeah, had he maxed on roaches he had a decent shot at losing that game. 20 stalkers + 4 immortals crush roaches - it's not funny how hard they do it. Plus they require gas -> less broods. It's not just about stopping MC's army. He had to have enough of an army to make a counter to win that game. That's what he managed to do with lings + broods. The point is that he had 60+ larva saved up on FOUR HATCH, he kept up his injection in the middle of the engagement. Think about that, he doesn't miss a beat. He had been stuck on 200/200 for ages and was floating over 5k minerals and 2k gas it was basically bad macro saving him
Wait, what? He was maxed and banking money, and that's bad macro now?
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On July 15 2012 08:18 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:18 Drazerk wrote:On July 15 2012 08:17 Mioraka wrote:On July 15 2012 08:14 Azarkon wrote:On July 15 2012 08:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:08 Zacsafus wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 Azarkon wrote:
For a moment there I thought Stephano had lost when he had banked 4k minerals and 2k gas while being stuck on roach ling + corrupters, but he made the perfect remax after taking out those colossi and the macro hatch solved his larvae problem. Flawless play. Perfect remax is 144 lings? im pretty sure just any remax of antyhing but drones or corruptors would have won him that, calling it perfect is kinda silly considering it was just 144 lings cz he could make anything else No it is actually really smart, he focus down everything in MC army that is well equipped to kill zerglings and then remax on zerglings. There was still plenty of immortals and stalkers left after that fight, had he remaxed on roach it would have been way less cost effective. Yeah, had he maxed on roaches he had a decent shot at losing that game. 20 stalkers + 4 immortals crush roaches - it's not funny how hard they do it. Plus they require gas -> less broods. It's not just about stopping MC's army. He had to have enough of an army to make a counter to win that game. That's what he managed to do with lings + broods. The point is that he had 60+ larva saved up on FOUR HATCH, he kept up his injection in the middle of the engagement. Think about that, he doesn't miss a beat. He had been stuck on 200/200 for ages and was floating over 5k minerals and 2k gas it was basically bad macro saving him I don't think you can call banking money/larvae when 'stuck on 200/200 for ages' bad macro. What else are you gonna do? :p
Overseers
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oh dam those lings
mc is dead
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On July 15 2012 08:10 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:06 Censured wrote:On July 15 2012 08:04 Toadvine wrote:
So much for Zerg needing to be a base ahead. Stephano was 1 base ahead for 90% of the game Stephano took his third at like 4:30. MC took his at 9:30. At least come up with an excuse that has some basis in reality.
And then few moments after stephano took his 4th... yes he had to sacrifice it, so they were both on 3 bases for a moment, but then stephano remade his 4th. Hence the 90%... Did we watch the same game?
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On July 15 2012 08:18 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:17 IshinShishi wrote:
I like how some people genuinely believe that stephano doesn't practice his butt off, like he did in his war3 days. how was he in wc3?
pretty damn good for a 14-year old.
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woa Stephano is doing something different, insane!
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?
I don't think I've ever seen Stephano go Mutas.
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On July 15 2012 08:18 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:17 Mioraka wrote:On July 15 2012 08:14 Azarkon wrote:On July 15 2012 08:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:08 Zacsafus wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 Azarkon wrote:
For a moment there I thought Stephano had lost when he had banked 4k minerals and 2k gas while being stuck on roach ling + corrupters, but he made the perfect remax after taking out those colossi and the macro hatch solved his larvae problem. Flawless play. Perfect remax is 144 lings? im pretty sure just any remax of antyhing but drones or corruptors would have won him that, calling it perfect is kinda silly considering it was just 144 lings cz he could make anything else No it is actually really smart, he focus down everything in MC army that is well equipped to kill zerglings and then remax on zerglings. There was still plenty of immortals and stalkers left after that fight, had he remaxed on roach it would have been way less cost effective. Yeah, had he maxed on roaches he had a decent shot at losing that game. 20 stalkers + 4 immortals crush roaches - it's not funny how hard they do it. Plus they require gas -> less broods. It's not just about stopping MC's army. He had to have enough of an army to make a counter to win that game. That's what he managed to do with lings + broods. The point is that he had 60+ larva saved up on FOUR HATCH, he kept up his injection in the middle of the engagement. Think about that, he doesn't miss a beat. He had been stuck on 200/200 for ages and was floating over 5k minerals and 2k gas it was basically bad macro saving him
Im confused, how is bankrolling when your maxed considered bad macro?
I could understand that if he wasnt maxed and was wasting the money, but this confuses me.
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On July 15 2012 08:10 nojok wrote:
MC is overrated, not that much but he's still overated. I mean he lsot a BO5 to nerchio last week.
And Stephano lost to Mana at dreamhack... How a player is rated is not dependent on 1 series or 1 tournament. Would you say Mana is better then Stephano? Or roof is better than Stephano? Stephano is obviously one of the top foreigners in the world but it doesn't mean he will win against all foreigners. All the top players can take games/series off each other.
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On July 15 2012 08:18 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:17 Mioraka wrote:On July 15 2012 08:14 Azarkon wrote:On July 15 2012 08:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:08 Zacsafus wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 Azarkon wrote:
For a moment there I thought Stephano had lost when he had banked 4k minerals and 2k gas while being stuck on roach ling + corrupters, but he made the perfect remax after taking out those colossi and the macro hatch solved his larvae problem. Flawless play. Perfect remax is 144 lings? im pretty sure just any remax of antyhing but drones or corruptors would have won him that, calling it perfect is kinda silly considering it was just 144 lings cz he could make anything else No it is actually really smart, he focus down everything in MC army that is well equipped to kill zerglings and then remax on zerglings. There was still plenty of immortals and stalkers left after that fight, had he remaxed on roach it would have been way less cost effective. Yeah, had he maxed on roaches he had a decent shot at losing that game. 20 stalkers + 4 immortals crush roaches - it's not funny how hard they do it. Plus they require gas -> less broods. It's not just about stopping MC's army. He had to have enough of an army to make a counter to win that game. That's what he managed to do with lings + broods. The point is that he had 60+ larva saved up on FOUR HATCH, he kept up his injection in the middle of the engagement. Think about that, he doesn't miss a beat. He had been stuck on 200/200 for ages and was floating over 5k minerals and 2k gas it was basically bad macro saving him
hahahaha oh Draz. One day Stephano is gonna go mass contaminate, and you're brain will explode from the internal conflict.
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On July 15 2012 08:19 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:18 Dfgj wrote:On July 15 2012 08:18 Drazerk wrote:On July 15 2012 08:17 Mioraka wrote:On July 15 2012 08:14 Azarkon wrote:On July 15 2012 08:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:08 Zacsafus wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 Azarkon wrote:
For a moment there I thought Stephano had lost when he had banked 4k minerals and 2k gas while being stuck on roach ling + corrupters, but he made the perfect remax after taking out those colossi and the macro hatch solved his larvae problem. Flawless play. Perfect remax is 144 lings? im pretty sure just any remax of antyhing but drones or corruptors would have won him that, calling it perfect is kinda silly considering it was just 144 lings cz he could make anything else No it is actually really smart, he focus down everything in MC army that is well equipped to kill zerglings and then remax on zerglings. There was still plenty of immortals and stalkers left after that fight, had he remaxed on roach it would have been way less cost effective. Yeah, had he maxed on roaches he had a decent shot at losing that game. 20 stalkers + 4 immortals crush roaches - it's not funny how hard they do it. Plus they require gas -> less broods. It's not just about stopping MC's army. He had to have enough of an army to make a counter to win that game. That's what he managed to do with lings + broods. The point is that he had 60+ larva saved up on FOUR HATCH, he kept up his injection in the middle of the engagement. Think about that, he doesn't miss a beat. He had been stuck on 200/200 for ages and was floating over 5k minerals and 2k gas it was basically bad macro saving him I don't think you can call banking money/larvae when 'stuck on 200/200 for ages' bad macro. What else are you gonna do? :p Overseers The answer is always overseers
This isn't one of those team game tactical shenanigans, is it?
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What? Stephano going muta? Thats like ret not making drones....
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On July 15 2012 08:19 Havik_ wrote:
WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?
I don't think I've ever seen Stephano go Mutas.
He did a while back, right before he really got his fame. A friend played him on the ladder several times and he lost to his mutas with base-trade-type strats.
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On July 15 2012 08:19 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:18 Drazerk wrote:On July 15 2012 08:17 Mioraka wrote:On July 15 2012 08:14 Azarkon wrote:On July 15 2012 08:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:08 Zacsafus wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 Azarkon wrote:
For a moment there I thought Stephano had lost when he had banked 4k minerals and 2k gas while being stuck on roach ling + corrupters, but he made the perfect remax after taking out those colossi and the macro hatch solved his larvae problem. Flawless play. Perfect remax is 144 lings? im pretty sure just any remax of antyhing but drones or corruptors would have won him that, calling it perfect is kinda silly considering it was just 144 lings cz he could make anything else No it is actually really smart, he focus down everything in MC army that is well equipped to kill zerglings and then remax on zerglings. There was still plenty of immortals and stalkers left after that fight, had he remaxed on roach it would have been way less cost effective. Yeah, had he maxed on roaches he had a decent shot at losing that game. 20 stalkers + 4 immortals crush roaches - it's not funny how hard they do it. Plus they require gas -> less broods. It's not just about stopping MC's army. He had to have enough of an army to make a counter to win that game. That's what he managed to do with lings + broods. The point is that he had 60+ larva saved up on FOUR HATCH, he kept up his injection in the middle of the engagement. Think about that, he doesn't miss a beat. He had been stuck on 200/200 for ages and was floating over 5k minerals and 2k gas it was basically bad macro saving him hahahaha oh Draz. One day Stephano is gonna go mass contaminate, and you're brain will explode from the internal conflict.
Maybe but the least he could of done was throw down the roach warren
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stephano is a fucking genius. mutas was such a smart idea
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On July 15 2012 08:18 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:16 JJH777 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:14 McBengt wrote:On July 15 2012 08:10 HaXXspetten wrote:On July 15 2012 08:08 aRyuujin wrote:On July 15 2012 08:07 JJH777 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 SeaSwift wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 JJH777 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:05 Poisonblack wrote:
no practice for 2 weeks
still wins against best PvZ player MC isn't the best PvZ player. Yes he is. Seed and Squirtle are both better. neither of them are better lol I'd say all three of them are quite even at it right now MC has more diversity than either Seed or Squirtle, that is what puts him one step above in my book. He just has the most complete repertoire of builds in PvZ, with at least comparable mechanics. Seed has more diversity than any other Protoss... He is the only one that gateway expands a significant amount. Just a few weeks ago he showcased a completely new build where he got a quick 3-base and maxed out on pure Stalker. Seed looked good against Symbol because Symbol went for Roach/Hydra/Corruptor and is nowhere near the level of Stephano or DRG in PvZ. Seed has only otherwise played Violet and Curious (LOL) this season. Not enough to compare him to the likes of MC.
Why do you say lol next to Curious he is one of the best zergs in the world. Also Symbol beat Parting and Squirtle this season. He is far better than Stephano. It's hard to say where he stands compared to DRG. Also Symbol only went Roach/Hydra/Corruptor in 3 games and he won 2 of those games. In 2/3 games he lost he didn't go for that style. So I'd say it worked out pretty well for him.
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On July 15 2012 08:20 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:19 MCDayC wrote:On July 15 2012 08:18 Drazerk wrote:On July 15 2012 08:17 Mioraka wrote:On July 15 2012 08:14 Azarkon wrote:On July 15 2012 08:12 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 15 2012 08:08 Zacsafus wrote:On July 15 2012 08:06 Azarkon wrote:
For a moment there I thought Stephano had lost when he had banked 4k minerals and 2k gas while being stuck on roach ling + corrupters, but he made the perfect remax after taking out those colossi and the macro hatch solved his larvae problem. Flawless play. Perfect remax is 144 lings? im pretty sure just any remax of antyhing but drones or corruptors would have won him that, calling it perfect is kinda silly considering it was just 144 lings cz he could make anything else No it is actually really smart, he focus down everything in MC army that is well equipped to kill zerglings and then remax on zerglings. There was still plenty of immortals and stalkers left after that fight, had he remaxed on roach it would have been way less cost effective. Yeah, had he maxed on roaches he had a decent shot at losing that game. 20 stalkers + 4 immortals crush roaches - it's not funny how hard they do it. Plus they require gas -> less broods. It's not just about stopping MC's army. He had to have enough of an army to make a counter to win that game. That's what he managed to do with lings + broods. The point is that he had 60+ larva saved up on FOUR HATCH, he kept up his injection in the middle of the engagement. Think about that, he doesn't miss a beat. He had been stuck on 200/200 for ages and was floating over 5k minerals and 2k gas it was basically bad macro saving him hahahaha oh Draz. One day Stephano is gonna go mass contaminate, and you're brain will explode from the internal conflict. Maybe but the least he could of done was throw down the roach warren
Why would he make roaches against stalker/immortal?
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Only time I've seen Stephano go muta is vs Mana in a practice game, and Mana complained that Stephano could go any unit composition and still roll him.
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