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On July 12 2012 12:29 Dexington wrote: I hope for as few as possible big name Koreans to qualify.
You're pretty sad. Wanting worse Koreans to qualify so foreigners have a chance. Where's the joy in a hollow victory (ahem...Dreamhack)?
You're pretty stupid.
Just because they aren't big names doesn't mean they're any worse. I want more exposure for lesser known players is all.
They're lesser known for a reason lol
Because GSL has a limited player pool and extremely tough format.
Yeah, and only the best qualify
Well lets look at coca for instance. He is having trouble qualifying but he is beating code S players in team leagues/showmatches and what not. It's insanely hard to get through a qualifier so no a lesser known player could be super good but just can't get through the qualifier. Every GSL player has commented how hard it was (even the top tier code S players like drg have commented how hard it is).
On July 12 2012 14:10 BulletCL wrote: ByuN and NesTea are registered for this qualifiers. But they have to play their GSL match at the same time :S
Squirtle in RO16 =D I imagine that puts him in pretty good shape points-wise, though I would rather he get further just to make sure. Gumiho vs. Squirtle could be some fun replays to watch.
Wow only 2 protoss in round of 16 (a bit funny, yesterday only 3 zergs in ro16 en the day before only 1 terran in ro16). But i guess it is ok, hope a terran or zerg wins, already a lot op toss in TSL4. Although i am usually for protoss
Why did HerO not take part in this playing from TLHQ in NYC as it was announced on TLpro.com? NASL is only in two days and he's been in North America since before last weekend because of IPL FC HIN which he won. Was the cross-server lag this bad?
This was his last chance to acquire the necessary points to take part in TSL4 which is now gone. Sigh.
On July 12 2012 21:36 Proseat wrote: Why did HerO not take part in this playing from TLHQ in NYC as it was announced on TLpro.com? NASL is only in two days and he's been in North America since before last weekend because of IPL FC HIN which he won. Was the cross-server lag this bad?
This was his last chance to acquire the necessary points to take part in TSL4 which is now gone. Sigh.
Because he would have to wake up super early to play in the qualifier, there is a huge difference in time between Korea and North America. Better for him to just sleep in and be well rested for NASL at this point.
On July 12 2012 21:36 Proseat wrote: Why did HerO not take part in this playing from TLHQ in NYC as it was announced on TLpro.com? NASL is only in two days and he's been in North America since before last weekend because of IPL FC HIN which he won. Was the cross-server lag this bad?
This was his last chance to acquire the necessary points to take part in TSL4 which is now gone. Sigh.
Because he had to be at NASL at noon today which meant the only possible flight was during the qualifiers.
Seed is out of the qualifier and needs help to stay in on points. Life could get in on points even if he loses in quarters if Hyun/Squirtle gets 1st and Hyun/Squirtle/Keen/Polt get 2nd. Sniper, Top, and Inori need 1st or 2nd. Keen and Polt need 1st.
Edit: Removed Gumiho who was in by mistake, thanks Kieofire
Seed is out of the qualifier and needs help to stay in on points. Life could get in on points even if he loses in quarters if Hyun/Squirtle gets 1st and Hyun/Squirtle/Keen/Gumiho/Polt get 2nd. Sniper, Top, and Inori need 1st or 2nd. Keen, Gumiho, and Polt need 1st.
Just so you know Gumiho is out completely since he got beat by Squirtle in the RO16.
Seed is out of the qualifier and needs help to stay in on points. Life could get in on points even if he loses in quarters if Hyun/Squirtle gets 1st and Hyun/Squirtle/Keen/Gumiho/Polt get 2nd. Sniper, Top, and Inori need 1st or 2nd. Keen, Gumiho, and Polt need 1st.
We should have a showmatch between ClouD and KingKong. Both got points in nearly every qualifier, neither qualified, because they usually went out in the Ro32.. T_T
On July 12 2012 21:36 Proseat wrote: Why did HerO not take part in this playing from TLHQ in NYC as it was announced on TLpro.com? NASL is only in two days and he's been in North America since before last weekend because of IPL FC HIN which he won. Was the cross-server lag this bad?
This was his last chance to acquire the necessary points to take part in TSL4 which is now gone. Sigh.
Because he had to be at NASL at noon today which meant the only possible flight was during the qualifiers.
Thanks, heyoka. Sad HerO will not be part of TSL4. Now he better win NASL, hehe.
Bit confused, first time tuning in for a TSL qualifier and how come the liquipedia page shows the quarterfinals, but z33k is airing a ro32 game? :O thanks in advance ^^
On July 12 2012 23:27 Aerisky wrote: Bit confused, first time tuning in for a TSL qualifier and how come the liquipedia page shows the quarterfinals, but z33k is airing a ro32 game? :O thanks in advance ^^
On July 12 2012 23:27 Aerisky wrote: Bit confused, first time tuning in for a TSL qualifier and how come the liquipedia page shows the quarterfinals, but z33k is airing a ro32 game? :O thanks in advance ^^
TL releases replays once a round has finished(When everyone in that round have played their games). They are casting thoes
OH that makes more sense. So starting from the quarters, they're casted live, and right now they're just casting replays to fill the time. And this is because they can't possibly cast so many concurrent games live!
Thanks ^^
Sigh, probably going to have to wake up for the results then
On July 12 2012 23:36 Aerisky wrote: OH that makes more sense. So starting from the quarters, they're casted live, and right now they're just casting replays to fill the time. And this is because they can't possibly cast so many concurrent games live!
Thanks ^^
Sigh, probably going to have to wake up for the results then
No, they cast all the games from replays(Wouldnt make sense to make the koreans wait to play it out, the matches would ennd around 6 AM KST)
On July 12 2012 23:36 Aerisky wrote: OH that makes more sense. So starting from the quarters, they're casted live, and right now they're just casting replays to fill the time. And this is because they can't possibly cast so many concurrent games live!
Thanks ^^
Sigh, probably going to have to wake up for the results then
No, they cast all the games from replays(Wouldnt make sense to make the koreans wait to play it out, the matches would ennd around 6 AM KST)
OH right sorry another brain fart =__=
Basically the liquipedia page for ro8 and on will then only be updated as each replay is casted, right?
On July 13 2012 00:22 ZAiNs wrote: Seed better stay in T_T. He probably thought he was pretty safe so didn't bother playing today...
Hmm.. If Life beats Inori, Seed is definitely out. If Inori wins and gets to the final, Seed is also out. TOP and Sniper can also knock him out. But if Hyun or Squirtle wins, that opens up a new spot so that means.. Argh, my head :D :D
Too much math and too many scenarios. We'll see in the semis But Seed's place is risky! Personally, I'm hoping for a terran winner today but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Hyun or Squirtle take it!
On July 13 2012 00:22 ZAiNs wrote: Seed better stay in T_T. He probably thought he was pretty safe so didn't bother playing today...
Hmm.. If Life beats Inori, Seed is definitely out. If Inori wins and gets to the final, Seed is also out. TOP and Sniper can also knock him out. But if Hyun or Squirtle wins, that opens up a new spot so that means.. Argh, my head :D :D
Too much math and too many scenarios. We'll see in the semis But Seed's place is risky! Personally, I'm hoping for a terran winner today but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Hyun or Squirtle take it!
If Life beats Inori, then Seed needs Life or Squirtle or HyuN to win the tournament.
On July 13 2012 00:39 SilSol wrote: yeah it's too bad that stephano didn't qualify for TSL4.
He probably could have if he had played more than two of them and not forfeited one for another tournament But it's understandable with so much other stuff going on for him. Too bad though
Glad to see that squirtle made it through (even though the qualifier is still going on). I think that with his Round of 32 finish Hack will definitely make it through too.
On July 13 2012 01:59 Sumahi wrote: Glad to see that squirtle made it through (even though the qualifier is still going on). I think that with his Round of 32 finish Hack will definitely make it through too.
According to Liquipedia, the top 5 are already guaranteed. That is Hack, HyuN, First, CoCa and Squirtle. I'll assume their math is correct. The only one in danger as far as points go is Seed.
On July 13 2012 00:39 SilSol wrote: yeah it's too bad that stephano didn't qualify for TSL4.
He probably could have if he had played more than two of them and not forfeited one for another tournament But it's understandable with so much other stuff going on for him. Too bad though
yeah probably he could But he didn't this time which is sad
Polt vs. TOP a year later after their two epic semifinal series. Back then, it was the classic battle of S-Level Micro/Bad Macro vs. S-Level Macro/Bad Micro. A year forward, Polt has upped his macro to being one of the best. Let's see if TOP's control has gotten better.
One this is for sure: TSL has BY FAR the best downtime music of any tournament. I'm enjoying the time between games nearly as much as the games. Games are over? Turn up the volume! :D
Saying that a zerg likes lategame is one of the most meaningless statements bandied about these days. Squirtle needed to switch to gateway units. no way in hell that corrupter army can be dealt with. Gotta switch between vortex archon style/ carriers i supposeish.
Even though he lost he made Carrier/HT look ridiculously strong just now. I definitely think that has potential if you can keep your econ alive while making the switch.
I love how P players start using units (mamaship, carriers) when blizzard announces they will disappear in the next expansion. Mothership was saved, but it's probably too late for the carriers.
I really think that if Carrier took less time to build that transition might be viable. Then you could feasibly switch between gateway style armies + HT and air based armies + HT. I really wish Blizzard would just try something.
On July 13 2012 03:36 Noocta wrote: Even if Squirtle lost, Carriers look pretty good.
Yeah, i just wish they were slightly easier to transition into
We, terran, have the sameproblem with Ravens and somewhat BCs. Blizzard really should do something about the build times or things like that, it would really help a lot.
On July 13 2012 03:36 Sabu113 wrote: Saying that a zerg likes lategame is one of the most meaningless statements bandied about these days. Squirtle needed to switch to gateway units. no way in hell that corrupter army can be dealt with. Gotta switch between vortex archon style/ carriers i supposeish.
On July 13 2012 03:36 Noocta wrote: Even if Squirtle lost, Carriers look pretty good.
Yeah, i just wish they were slightly easier to transition into
We, terran, have the sameproblem with Ravens and somewhat BCs. Blizzard really should do something about the build times or things like that, it would really help a lot.
On July 13 2012 03:36 Noocta wrote: Even if Squirtle lost, Carriers look pretty good.
That focus-fire on the retreating Brood Lords did look pretty deadly. It took a long time for them to reload for each volley though so I can understand why they're less effective when left to their own devices and opposed by anti-air.
On July 13 2012 03:36 Noocta wrote: Even if Squirtle lost, Carriers look pretty good.
It took a long time for them to reload for each volley though so I can understand why they're less effective when left to their own devices and opposed by anti-air.
On July 13 2012 03:37 JJH777 wrote: Even though he lost he made Carrier/HT look ridiculously strong just now. I definitely think that has potential if you can keep your econ alive while making the switch.
its just too hard to do that though... The only real way to keep your econ alive while making the switch is if the zerg just never attacks you with his bl corruptors....
Carrier build time is to long, especially considering you need atleast 4-5 of them to do anything not to mention without upgrades they are shit. So you have to have time to build around 5 and get air upgrades for them to be able to 'look good'
I'm fed up of this "Not yet, silly!" when I click on results to get the link to liquipedia. I'm not that silly you need to repeat it at every lr thread of TSL qualifiers!
On July 13 2012 03:43 nojok wrote: I'm fed up of this "Not yet, silly!" when I click on results to get the link to liquipedia. I'm not that silly you need to repeat it at every lr thread of TSL qualifiers!
I wish TL would do a better job at moderating the twitch chat, the bans are very rare and random and never on the right people :/ I guess I shouldnt expect anything out of a twitch chat, but still. This thread is pretty dead
On July 13 2012 03:36 Noocta wrote: Even if Squirtle lost, Carriers look pretty good.
That focus-fire on the retreating Brood Lords did look pretty deadly. It took a long time for them to reload for each volley though so I can understand why they're less effective when left to their own devices and opposed by anti-air.
The problem with SC2 carriers in comparison to BW carriers is twofold, first, that they can't be microed effectively because interceptors return to the carrier when an order is issued and second, launch range is really short.
Oh also, interceptors do not recharge shield when they return to the carrier, which makes them really easy to kill, particularly by marines.
On July 13 2012 04:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote: T.T getting so much lag right now T.T
Edit: Even at 240p
Same here, it's definitely the stream. But they're talking about restarting now at least. At least those two games were not something to watch anyway...
On July 13 2012 04:10 Sp00ly wrote: Laggy fail cheese is the best kind. Except now no protoss
I think that's great actually :D Not to bash a race or some such crap, but in the other qualifiers, I've had enough Protoss to last me a lifetime, and it's not like Protoss is underrepresentated in the TSL. I love ZvZ, TvZ and TvT so this is gonna be glorious from now on.
On July 13 2012 04:10 Sp00ly wrote: Laggy fail cheese is the best kind. Except now no protoss
I think that's great actually :D Not to bash a race or some such crap, but in the other qualifiers, I've had enough Protoss to last me a lifetime, and it's not like Protoss is underrepresentated in the TSL. I love ZvZ, TvZ and TvT so this is gonna be glorious from now on.
True. It seems like ages since I have seen a good TvT.
On July 13 2012 04:09 mordk wrote: Life overcomes Seed as the last qualified player right now
If Life wins the whole shebang, Seed still qualifies (I think).
Yes, unless TOP gets second place, then TOP qualifies
Looking at the numbers, the only way Life would be unable to qualify is if Sniper wins it and TOP comes second? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I can't see another scenario. But if that happens, both Seed and Life would have less points than TOP at 133 to Life's 131... Still a lot that can happen here.
Edit: Or the other way around, TOP first and Sniper second. Man, these scenarios make my head spin
After Life's win, Seed is #7 in points. He can still get in if: Life/Hyun get 1st to free a spot, and Life/Hyun/Keen/Polt get 2nd so Seed is still #6 in points
After Life's win, Seed is #7 in points. He can still get in if: Life/Hyun get 1st to free a spot, and Life/Hyun/Keen/Polt get 2nd so Seed is still #6 in points
Life is still not locked on points either.
Seedu is too gosu not to qualify. Life better win!
On July 13 2012 04:30 Kieofire wrote: I think the lag is regional, I have no lag at all, or 480p is fine. So you might want to try 480p if you have not yet.
Since the restart I've been watching 720+ without a problem :S
What is even more amusing is they dont like the stalemates TvT causes but have no problems with zerg and protoss deathballs which you just try to avoid
What a great game! I mean, TOP was kind of behind throughout, but he was always within striking distance of taking the game back. That's the beauty of Marine/Tank TvT, I guess. Brilliant work by Polt, though. It's good to see that his tactical genius is still at work.
What is even more amusing is they dont like the stalemates TvT causes but have no problems with zerg and protoss deathballs which you just try to avoid
Since I never played RA2 apart from the Campaigns, what was the overall problem with the V3?
On-topic: Does anyone have something similar to this for this qualifier?
Nothing, they just said at some point they had in thoughts of introducing a some long range artilery unit, which had longer range than a siege tank to break siege lines. That unit just comes up in my head as long range artilery unit
On July 13 2012 04:47 Xacez wrote: I tend to not have any problems watching TSL, but today it is impossible to watch on 720p for me. Thankfully, the 480p is not that bad.
Ugh, me too, slideshow. If that happens during the main tournament, ima ragequit!
TOP really should get picked up. TSL should grab him and he would make a good no.2 behind Polt. Much, much better play from TOP than when he was slumping terribly at the start of the year.
On July 13 2012 05:26 Fionn wrote: TOP really should get picked up. TSL should grab him and he would make a good no.2 behind Polt. Much, much better play from TOP than when he was slumping terribly at the start of the year.
I agree, I find it sad how him and SuperNoVa still do not have teams yet, but TOP would be nice for TSL so they can have another terran to utilize.
On July 13 2012 05:26 Fionn wrote: TOP really should get picked up. TSL should grab him and he would make a good no.2 behind Polt. Much, much better play from TOP than when he was slumping terribly at the start of the year.
I agree, I find it sad how him and SuperNoVa still do not have teams yet, but TOP would be nice for TSL so they can have another terran to utilize.
tbh it sounds like SuperNova has plenty of offers but not one he feels is acceptable yet. He mentioned wanting to be on a particular team but given he's still not signed perhaps they won't meet what he's asking.
On July 13 2012 05:26 Fionn wrote: TOP really should get picked up. TSL should grab him and he would make a good no.2 behind Polt. Much, much better play from TOP than when he was slumping terribly at the start of the year.
I agree, I find it sad how him and SuperNoVa still do not have teams yet, but TOP would be nice for TSL so they can have another terran to utilize.
I think that SuperNoVa probably doesn't have a team because he's holding out for a better offer. He's better than every Terran on a foreign team, apart from maybe Taeja, so they want him but he probably wants more than they're offering him.
On July 13 2012 05:28 Asha` wrote: Time to see future best Zerg in the world vs Commander Keen.
On July 13 2012 05:28 sc14s wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:24 Asha` wrote: haha, polt didn't really deserve that one.
TOP =(
still, he's looking much better than he was a few months ago.
how can he not deserve the win?
In the biased way that TOP kinda fucked up the base trade =p
Hyun has really increased in your estimations 0_0. I haven't seen much of him recently but he still seems sloppy especially with hive tech?
He's only been playing for 6 months though and we keep hearing from people that he's actually the best Zerg in the TSL house, which is very impressive considering that means he's better than Symbol and Shine in practice.
Also Zerg is probably the race where experience has the biggest impact on your ability, because Zerg has to play reactivity to their opponent more often than the other races.
On July 13 2012 05:27 Fionn wrote: It could be very interesting if Hyun beats Keen.
Hyun would face Polt, but Hyun would already be confirmed for TSL4.
Wonder how Polts TvZ is atm
Now that Terrans have been forced to play late-game with zergs, Polt has suddenly become one of the best TvZers in the world. He was already focusing on that stage months prior to the patch.
On July 13 2012 05:28 Asha` wrote: Time to see future best Zerg in the world vs Commander Keen.
On July 13 2012 05:28 sc14s wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:24 Asha` wrote: haha, polt didn't really deserve that one.
TOP =(
still, he's looking much better than he was a few months ago.
how can he not deserve the win?
In the biased way that TOP kinda fucked up the base trade =p
Hyun has really increased in your estimations 0_0. I haven't seen much of him recently but he still seems sloppy especially with hive tech?
He is, but mechanically he's pretty much caught up and I think it's just a matter of time before he irons out the kinks in his hive tech play, he's certainly really improved everything else in the last couple of months. Give him a bit more time and he'll be making people cry.
On July 13 2012 05:27 Fionn wrote: It could be very interesting if Hyun beats Keen.
Hyun would face Polt, but Hyun would already be confirmed for TSL4.
Wonder how Polts TvZ is atm
Now that Terrans have been forced to play late-game with zergs, Polt has suddenly become one of the best TvZers in the world. He was already focusing on that stage months prior to the patch.
I can't have been the only one who saw Polt's ridiculous comeback win vs Sniper on his stream about a month back right? On entombed valley for like a 50min bio vs hive tech slugfest. Was crazy.
On July 13 2012 05:27 Fionn wrote: It could be very interesting if Hyun beats Keen.
Hyun would face Polt, but Hyun would already be confirmed for TSL4.
Wonder how Polts TvZ is atm
He beat Hyun 2-0 in the IPL5 International Qualifiers. But Hyun beat him 2-0 in one of the former TSL4 qualifiers when Polt seemed to be losing every first round to random people.
I think Apollo is being too harsh on Keen for leaving the opening for a third for Hyun.
With the rocks up and banshees + hellions I think you can be a real nuisance if you let him try take it and then go deny it with your cloakshee and hellion support =)
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Interesting that Hyun is playing what I guess I'd consider to be a somewhat old fashioned style (2 base muta into double expo)
What's happening in this TvT? i'm at work so can't watch but last few TvTs I saw were just a whole lot of marine tank vs marine tank. It WAS a great matchup like six months ago for sure with all the BCs/Vikings/Ravens/Thors/Marines
On July 13 2012 05:40 TheDougler wrote: What's happening in this TvT? i'm at work so can't watch but last few TvTs I saw were just a whole lot of marine tank vs marine tank. It WAS a great matchup like six months ago for sure with all the BCs/Vikings/Ravens/Thors/Marines
Korean TvT has always stick to marine/tank vs marinetank, because they both would die if they try to transition into air play.
On July 13 2012 05:41 Toadvine wrote: I don't get it. Keen was basically maxed. If he can't move out, then what in the world is he supposed to do?
Too few tanks, big mistake by him. He had like 4 at the front and 2-3 behind, that was a joke. He needed 10 tanks up front with that many lings - banes but it seems like he never was aware of Huyns army size
On July 13 2012 05:41 Fionn wrote: If Hyun wins, Polt vs. Hyun is going to be weird.
Teammates. Hyun already qualified for TSL4. Polt NEEDS to win to make TSL4.
There are no rules to prevent forfeits, are there?
There aren't but he could still get DQ'd for it, also the Korean community would roast them in a fire.
Great team spirit, lol.
Would rather be heartbroken from Polt losing if HyuN does win this match and has to face him, rather than be heartbroken by them having to forfeit their spots in the GSL + whatever backlash that would come with it.
On July 13 2012 05:41 Fionn wrote: If Hyun wins, Polt vs. Hyun is going to be weird.
Teammates. Hyun already qualified for TSL4. Polt NEEDS to win to make TSL4.
There are no rules to prevent forfeits, are there?
There aren't but he could still get DQ'd for it, also the Korean community would roast them in a fire.
Great team spirit, lol.
Would rather be heart broken from Polt losing if HyuN does win this match and has to face him, rather then be heartbroken by them having to forfeit their spots in the GSL + whatever backlash that would come with it.
Hyun just has to be subtle :D or Polt not dying to t2.
On July 13 2012 05:49 Noocta wrote: Is Hyun seriously trying to not get roach after scouting double factory blue flame ? Holy shit that's risky as hell
On July 13 2012 05:49 Noocta wrote: Is Hyun seriously trying to not get roach after scouting double factory blue flame ? Holy shit that's risky as hell
Ez you see, queen pretty good.
Actually that was very bad. Making all these baneling and denying the third so long is good enough for Keen.
On July 13 2012 05:49 Noocta wrote: Is Hyun seriously trying to not get roach after scouting double factory blue flame ? Holy shit that's risky as hell
Ez you see, queen pretty good.
Actually that was very bad. Making all these baneling and denying the third so long is good enough for Keen.
pre patch it'd have been a free win, here you just deny the 3rd T.T
On July 13 2012 05:41 Fionn wrote: If Hyun wins, Polt vs. Hyun is going to be weird.
Teammates. Hyun already qualified for TSL4. Polt NEEDS to win to make TSL4.
damn thats bad
What i see just as concerning about the point system is the fact that if keen and sniper meets in the final. Sniper has all incentive to lose, since if he wins he will advance and life will get 6´th spot by points(and keen wont get a spot). But if he loses he will qualify by points and keen will also qualify
Still tho, same scenario just in the final. This is pretty much the reason why i dislike the point qualifier
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
Just wait till you have the pleasure of watching some MarineKing games
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
Now that ZvT has normalised to a degree in Korea, you're gonna love the GSL, its all the top Korean pros and most of the games are amazing.
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
god that must be a great feeling to discover sc2 right now :D have you played/followed any other competitive RTS before?
and i love you for the boner Amanda reference, that just made me rofl hard. thanks for bringing that back into my mind hahaha
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
Oooh, well:
a) welcome to Starcraft and TL
b) welcome to the exciting world of korean starcraft!
c) be sure to try catch some of the GSTL in the next 2 days if you haven't before, team leagues are awesome fun!
^_^
Keen is certainly pretty awesome too, though I'm not sure how much I fancy his chances on Daybreak xD
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
Welcome ! You'll be able to see more of Commander Keen play in the GSL and hopefully in the next hour
Anyone know A: Why they are using that "addon" or whatnot that Orb used in the Korean Weekly and B: Will they use the same for the actual TSL tournament? I guess to each his own but I really can't stand it apart from baneling fireflies
Everytime I watch Hyun I see him get crazy leads with his incredible mechanics... only to lose spectacularly with equally terrible late-game decision-making.
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
god that must be a great feeling to discover sc2 right now :D have you played/followed any other competitive RTS before?
and i love you for the boner Amanda reference, that just made me rofl hard. thanks for bringing that back into my mind hahaha
I've played and watched a bunch of strategy games, board and computer, but not Real Time, so it's all new to me in some ways. I've watched about half of Day9's archive though and I'm starting to develop a sense of what's happening. I still suck really hard as a player though, but what's awesome about SC2 is that even if you can't play it well, as you learn the game it's a pure pleasure to watch. The depressing part is starting to play in Bronze league, watching brilliant intense macro games and then play against only four gates and mass void ray ;D
I love these qualifiers though, it's the first tournament I've followed from the "bottom up" and it's really exciting to get to know all the players etc. It seems like a great time to get into SC2!
On July 13 2012 06:07 Xcobidoo wrote: Anyone know A: Why they are using that "addon" or whatnot that Orb used in the Korean Weekly and B: Will they use the same for the actual TSL tournament? I guess to each his own but I really can't stand it apart from baneling fireflies
Winner of Sniper/Life is in on points. If Life wins the whole qualifier, another spot opens for Seed gets in on points Polt and Keen must win to get in
winner, 6th in points 1st life , 2nd polt life , seed 1st life , 2nd keen life , seed 1st sniper, 2nd polt sniper, life 1st sniper, 2nd keen sniper, life 1st polt , 2nd sniper polt , sniper 1st keen , 2nd sniper keen , sniper 1st polt , 2nd life polt , life 1st keen , 2nd life keen , life
==================================================== If Hyun > Keen:
sniper/life polt/hyun
hyun is already in on points Life is in unless Polt wins and Sniper gets 2nd place Sniper can get in with 1st or 2nd Polt must win to get in Seed can only get in by: - Life wins and Polt/Hyun in 2nd place - OR: hyun wins, Life 2nd place
winner, 6th in points (and 5th if hyun wins) 1st sniper, 2nd polt sniper, life 1st sniper, 2nd hyun sniper, life 1st life , 2nd polt life , seed 1st life , 2nd hyun life , seed 1st polt , 2nd sniper polt , sniper 1st polt , 2nd life polt , life 1st hyun , 2nd sniper hyun , sniper, life 1st hyun , 2nd life hyun , life , seed
Edit: Fix scenario of Sniper getting 2nd place, which knocks Life out
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
Welcome ! You'll be able to see more of Commander Keen play in the GSL and hopefully in the next hour
Obviously not a Seed fan! For Seed to qualify, Hyun, Life, or Sniper have to win. He's out if Polt or Keen win.
Edit: Meh, there seems to be some conflicting information about how many points Life actually has between the R&S thread and the wiki, so I'm once against entirely clueless as to where everything is going to land. Guess I'll wait and see.
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
god that must be a great feeling to discover sc2 right now :D have you played/followed any other competitive RTS before?
and i love you for the boner Amanda reference, that just made me rofl hard. thanks for bringing that back into my mind hahaha
I've played and watched a bunch of strategy games, board and computer, but not Real Time, so it's all new to me in some ways. I've watched about half of Day9's archive though and I'm starting to develop a sense of what's happening. I still suck really hard as a player though, but what's awesome about SC2 is that even if you can't play it well, as you learn the game it's a pure pleasure to watch. The depressing part is starting to play in Bronze league, watching brilliant intense macro games and then play against only four gates and mass void ray ;D
I love these qualifiers though, it's the first tournament I've followed from the "bottom up" and it's really exciting to get to know all the players etc. It seems like a great time to get into SC2!
When I was just getting into Starcraft discovering the GSL was the greatest thing ever, you can watch the first match from each game for free without a subscription on the gomtv website.
Also the strategies are irrelevant now, but I think you should go and watch ThorZaIN's matches from the last TSL, every series is worth watching imo, but I am a huge ThorZaIN fanboy.
Gotta love TSL-Zergs style. The first time Symbol caught my eye it was like exclusively banelings, infestors and ultras xD Damn I wonder why more terrans don't put a tank on ramps, awesome.
On July 13 2012 06:13 KillerDucky wrote: If Keen > Hyun:
sniper/life polt/keen
Life is in on points. If Life wins, another spot opens for Seed gets in on points Sniper, Polt, and Keen must win to get in
winner, 6th in points 1st life , 2nd polt life , seed 1st life , 2nd keen life , seed 1st sniper, 2nd polt sniper, life 1st sniper, 2nd keen sniper, life 1st polt , 2nd sniper polt , life 1st keen , 2nd sniper keen , life 1st polt , 2nd life polt , life 1st keen , 2nd life keen , life
==================================================== If Hyun > Keen:
sniper/life polt/hyun
hyun is already in on points Life is in unless Polt wins and Sniper gets 2nd place Sniper can get in with 1st or 2nd Polt must win to get in Seed can only get in by: - Life wins and Polt/Hyun in 2nd place - OR: hyun wins, Life 2nd place
winner, 6th in points (and 5th if hyun wins) 1st sniper, 2nd polt sniper, life 1st sniper, 2nd hyun sniper, life 1st life , 2nd polt life , seed 1st life , 2nd hyun life , seed 1st polt , 2nd sniper polt , sniper 1st polt , 2nd life polt , life 1st hyun , 2nd sniper hyun , sniper, life 1st hyun , 2nd life hyun , life , seed
No, if keen > Sniper in finals then sniper will get 6´th spot in points
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
god that must be a great feeling to discover sc2 right now :D have you played/followed any other competitive RTS before?
and i love you for the boner Amanda reference, that just made me rofl hard. thanks for bringing that back into my mind hahaha
I've played and watched a bunch of strategy games, board and computer, but not Real Time, so it's all new to me in some ways. I've watched about half of Day9's archive though and I'm starting to develop a sense of what's happening. I still suck really hard as a player though, but what's awesome about SC2 is that even if you can't play it well, as you learn the game it's a pure pleasure to watch. The depressing part is starting to play in Bronze league, watching brilliant intense macro games and then play against only four gates and mass void ray ;D
I love these qualifiers though, it's the first tournament I've followed from the "bottom up" and it's really exciting to get to know all the players etc. It seems like a great time to get into SC2!
Look up Stephano Vs Polt if you are ever bored (TvZ). They've met alot and each match they have had has been pure gold.
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
god that must be a great feeling to discover sc2 right now :D have you played/followed any other competitive RTS before?
and i love you for the boner Amanda reference, that just made me rofl hard. thanks for bringing that back into my mind hahaha
I've played and watched a bunch of strategy games, board and computer, but not Real Time, so it's all new to me in some ways. I've watched about half of Day9's archive though and I'm starting to develop a sense of what's happening. I still suck really hard as a player though, but what's awesome about SC2 is that even if you can't play it well, as you learn the game it's a pure pleasure to watch. The depressing part is starting to play in Bronze league, watching brilliant intense macro games and then play against only four gates and mass void ray ;D
I love these qualifiers though, it's the first tournament I've followed from the "bottom up" and it's really exciting to get to know all the players etc. It seems like a great time to get into SC2!
Look up Stephano Vs Polt if you are ever bored (TvZ). They've met alot and each match they have had has been pure gold.
I'll vouch for that. Though I still prefer MKP, he has the occasional game where he just rolls over his opponents, and it's true that you can't go wrong with Stephano vs Polt
HyuN simply got too wasteful with his Lair tech army, and would constantly attack up that choke. Despite his amazing mechanics, he still needs to learn some basic decision-making and army positioning.
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
Welcome ! You'll be able to see more of Commander Keen play in the GSL and hopefully in the next hour
Obviously not a Seed fan! For Seed to qualify, Hyun, Life, or Sniper have to win. He's out if Polt or Keen win.
Edit: Meh, there seems to be some conflicting information about how many points Life actually has between the R&S thread and the wiki, so I'm once against entirely clueless as to where everything is going to land. Guess I'll wait and see.
I love seed but GSL ro4 is enough for him, i'll almost always prefer a good terran to a good toss, racial bias here you go :D
On July 13 2012 06:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: I dont know who I want to win between Life and Sniper. I like them both... but I guess I've liked Life for longer
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
Welcome ! You'll be able to see more of Commander Keen play in the GSL and hopefully in the next hour
Obviously not a Seed fan! For Seed to qualify, Hyun, Life, or Sniper have to win. He's out if Polt or Keen win.
Edit: Meh, there seems to be some conflicting information about how many points Life actually has between the R&S thread and the wiki, so I'm once against entirely clueless as to where everything is going to land. Guess I'll wait and see.
I love seed but GSL ro4 is enough for him, i'll almost always prefer a good terran to a good toss, racial bias here you go :D
Yeah, but Seed is so manly - how could you not want him to succeed? I'm reviving Tasteless's man crush on him.
Winner of Sniper/Life is in on points. If Life wins the whole qualifier, another spot opens for Seed gets in on points Polt and Keen must win to get in
winner, 6th in points 1st life , 2nd polt life , seed 1st life , 2nd keen life , seed 1st sniper, 2nd polt sniper, life 1st sniper, 2nd keen sniper, life 1st polt , 2nd sniper polt , sniper 1st keen , 2nd sniper keen , sniper 1st polt , 2nd life polt , life 1st keen , 2nd life keen , life
On July 13 2012 06:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: I dont know who I want to win between Life and Sniper. I like them both... but I guess I've liked Life for longer
the one who's most likely to lose to Polt !
With the way both have been playing lately, that's kind of a toss up. They are both playing very well lately
On July 13 2012 06:14 Eufouria wrote: When I was just getting into Starcraft discovering the GSL was the greatest thing ever, you can watch the first match from each game for free without a subscription on the gomtv website.
Also the strategies are irrelevant now, but I think you should go and watch ThorZaIN's matches from the last TSL, every series is worth watching imo, but I am a huge ThorZaIN fanboy.
I think that's been it really, I just haven't gotten around to paying for watching GSL in good quality when there are so many streams and archives with free wonderful tournaments. But I certainly will. Also, Thorzain is a fellow Swede so of course I'm a fanboy too
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
god that must be a great feeling to discover sc2 right now :D have you played/followed any other competitive RTS before?
and i love you for the boner Amanda reference, that just made me rofl hard. thanks for bringing that back into my mind hahaha
I've played and watched a bunch of strategy games, board and computer, but not Real Time, so it's all new to me in some ways. I've watched about half of Day9's archive though and I'm starting to develop a sense of what's happening. I still suck really hard as a player though, but what's awesome about SC2 is that even if you can't play it well, as you learn the game it's a pure pleasure to watch. The depressing part is starting to play in Bronze league, watching brilliant intense macro games and then play against only four gates and mass void ray ;D
I love these qualifiers though, it's the first tournament I've followed from the "bottom up" and it's really exciting to get to know all the players etc. It seems like a great time to get into SC2!
Look up Stephano Vs Polt if you are ever bored (TvZ). They've met alot and each match they have had has been pure gold.
Thanks for your tips, both of you! Stephano is one of the players I've really latched onto as I'm getting into this, so I'll check those games out.
Back on topic, that was really nice play by Keen. I love the mirror matchups so these semis will be awesome :D
On July 13 2012 06:25 DwmC_Foefen wrote: Will this ZvZ be awesome?
Two awesome ZvZ players with everything to lose. Oh, only hell yeah! Especially since the days of ling/bling into more ling/bling are all but eradicated from professional play
On July 13 2012 05:40 Asha` wrote: See, hyun just makes shit look unstoppable
Omg indeed, that was some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen.
This is how he plays almost all the time lol.
"you say my hive tech play is bad? kk I'll just demolish you with massive amounts of lair tech"
I'm fairly new to Starcraft, and I haven't watched a lot of the top Koreans before. So everything is exciting and new and boner Amanda-inducing! I really liked Keen's play there though and I'm still cheering for him so we can get another awesome TvT!
Welcome ! You'll be able to see more of Commander Keen play in the GSL and hopefully in the next hour
Obviously not a Seed fan! For Seed to qualify, Hyun, Life, or Sniper have to win. He's out if Polt or Keen win.
Edit: Meh, there seems to be some conflicting information about how many points Life actually has between the R&S thread and the wiki, so I'm once against entirely clueless as to where everything is going to land. Guess I'll wait and see.
I love seed but GSL ro4 is enough for him, i'll almost always prefer a good terran to a good toss, racial bias here you go :D
Yeah, but Seed is so manly - how could you not want him to succeed? I'm reviving Tasteless's man crush on him.
If Seed was a Zerg he would totally go mass changelings to get a Terran with sensor towers out of position.
Life reminds me of Nestea's 2011 ZvZ, just flawless understandings of timings and perfect decision making. Great to watch him just roll an opponent like that.
On July 13 2012 06:57 Kieofire wrote: Hmm if Polt or Keen takes this qualifier CoCa and Squirtle will have to do a tie-breaker match.
Do seeds matter at all?
I don't think so, I read the list wrong that is why I was thinking they would have one, but they do not. My fault for being stupid and not paying enough attention.
On July 13 2012 07:01 KillerDucky wrote: Life has clinched on points. Keen/Polt need to win the qualifier. Seed needs Life to win the qualifier. Sniper is out and does not have enough points.
On July 13 2012 07:01 KillerDucky wrote: Life has clinched on points. Keen/Polt need to win the qualifier. Seed needs Life to win the qualifier. Sniper is out and does not have enough points.
On July 13 2012 07:01 KillerDucky wrote: Life has clinched on points. Keen/Polt need to win the qualifier. Seed needs Life to win the qualifier. Sniper is out and does not have enough points.
Hmm so many good players that can get in and so many that cant =/. Atleast the main tournament should be great.
On July 13 2012 07:01 KillerDucky wrote: Life has clinched on points. Keen/Polt need to win the qualifier. Seed needs Life to win the qualifier. Sniper is out and does not have enough points.
Hmm so many good players that can get in and so many that cant =/. Atleast the main tournament should be great.
It's more a question of won't rather than can't. The best GSL players have not bothered, except for a few tries at first place, simply enough.
On July 13 2012 07:01 KillerDucky wrote: Life has clinched on points. Keen/Polt need to win the qualifier. Seed needs Life to win the qualifier. Sniper is out and does not have enough points.
Hmm so many good players that can get in and so many that cant =/. Atleast the main tournament should be great.
It's more a question of won't rather than can't. The best GSL players have not bothered, except for a few tries at first place, simply enough.
Hm yeah bit of a shame really but still you dont have to be a top GSL player to make TSL exciting thats what i love about it^^.
On July 13 2012 07:01 KillerDucky wrote: Life has clinched on points. Keen/Polt need to win the qualifier. Seed needs Life to win the qualifier. Sniper is out and does not have enough points.
Hmm so many good players that can get in and so many that cant =/. Atleast the main tournament should be great.
It's more a question of won't rather than can't. The best GSL players have not bothered, except for a few tries at first place, simply enough.
Many have tried, most get beaten pretty early in the brackets. Almost every notable GSL player participated in the first three qualifiers.
On July 13 2012 07:01 KillerDucky wrote: Life has clinched on points. Keen/Polt need to win the qualifier. Seed needs Life to win the qualifier. Sniper is out and does not have enough points.
Polt vs Seed.. tough choice
who am I kidding. Life win GOGO!
Piss on that, both of these terrans are AWESOME!
That said, hard to pass up on the tempting possibility of a person going for the double crown of GSL and TSL, and as Naniwa lost last night I guess seed is the last chance for that... Although I suspect this TSL will overlap GSLs so it might not matter. And come on Keens ceremonies in 2011 and Polt's general awesomeness are too hard to pass up on!
On July 13 2012 07:18 IshinShishi wrote: TvT was never boring -_-
I wouldn't go as far as to say that. When it was THE ONLY matchup played for three rounds in the GSL (Quarters, Semis, and Finals) it got to be a little bit boring for seeing the same thing.
Still, right now it's certainly a breath of fresh air.
On July 13 2012 07:01 KillerDucky wrote: Life has clinched on points. Keen/Polt need to win the qualifier. Seed needs Life to win the qualifier. Sniper is out and does not have enough points.
Hmm so many good players that can get in and so many that cant =/. Atleast the main tournament should be great.
It's more a question of won't rather than can't. The best GSL players have not bothered, except for a few tries at first place, simply enough.
Many have tried, most get beaten pretty early in the brackets. Almost every notable GSL player participated in the first three qualifiers.
Sure they tried, but not trying to win by points. As an example, NesTea and DRG only played once. After all, coaches know that there are players that both can win and want to go. I guess the TSL just doesn't hold as much weight in Korea as it does over here (prestige wise).
480p doesn't lag at all for me. Not the best quality, but for the price of $0 it's a good deal and I'm not gonna complain. And yes, one more Keen I'd love to see more of your TvZ!
I love that we got to see both those styles of TvT, the slow, methodical and careful version and Keen's very aggressive style.. And even some mech Lovely!
That was beautiful. Keen's tank positioning was smooth as eggs, never unsieging everything, always making sure to keep 4-5 tanks sieged in the back in case of flanks, having thors in the front to tank damage... what can I say, Keen makes me want to play terran
lol semmler reminds me so much of a good friend of mine in the way he talks, what he's actually saying and even his looks to a certain degree. yet somehow i still don't like him all that much, doesn't really make much sense to me haha.
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
On July 13 2012 08:24 imallinson wrote: I go downstairs for some food after game 1 and come back to it being 1 - 1 -_- I guess Life already being qualified means he can wing it a bit.
Yeah life can be risky/cheesy doesn't matter for him he's in no matter what. I would be playing all relaxed if I knew I 100% was going in the TSL4
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
Just like good ole days of bunker block/pylon block, 2 rax marine/scv all in. :D
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
"Legitimate" as in it works and isn't a stupid "I can't be bothered playing this game, I'll just 6pool" strategy these days.
Aside from that, I'm not sure why being able to cheese greedy play is bad.
On July 13 2012 08:24 imallinson wrote: I go downstairs for some food after game 1 and come back to it being 1 - 1 -_- I guess Life already being qualified means he can wing it a bit.
Yeah life can be risky/cheesy doesn't matter for him he's in no matter what. I would be playing all relaxed if I knew I 100% was going in the TSL4
Life was risky and cheesy in GSL when all was on the line for him. Its just his style.
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
It's just plain ol' cheese, nothing especially abusive about it. Beats greedy builds, loses to safe ones. Imo, roach/bling busts are a lot worse in this respect, because they transition easily after doing a modicum of damage and straight-up kill a whole bunch of openings.
On July 13 2012 08:24 imallinson wrote: I go downstairs for some food after game 1 and come back to it being 1 - 1 -_- I guess Life already being qualified means he can wing it a bit.
Yeah life can be risky/cheesy doesn't matter for him he's in no matter what. I would be playing all relaxed if I knew I 100% was going in the TSL4
Life was risky and cheesy in GSL when all was on the line for him. Its just his style.
Yeah but like this? 3 games in a row 2 6 pools. Pretty sure he just doesn't give a fuck right now.
What a waste of time. I shouldn't have bothered watching after realizing that Life qualified. I knew he'd be a douche and waste the games. I hope he loses first round in TSL 4.
Ugh. After such epic finals yesterday this was pretty disappointing. Still, congrats to both Keen and Life for qualifying with their strong play today.
On July 13 2012 08:32 HavocGG wrote: Isn't this pretty much the same thing as what Coca and Byun did except with 6pools instead of just agreeing on the other guy leaving ? :C
Wouldn't Seed qualify if Life won..? Because he was already qualified because of his points (and then his win), but Seed has more points than Keen for a qualification..?
Because in that case it must suck to be Seed right now.
Keen deserves it for the close series against Polt
These games were probably really late at night by the time it came to the finals and Life had no real incentive of winning except if he really wanted a bit of extra cash.
On July 13 2012 08:32 HavocGG wrote: Isn't this pretty much the same thing as what Coca and Byun did except with 6pools instead of just agreeing on the other guy leaving ? :C
feels more like he pulled a naniwa right there
Nah nani was just BM, particularly considering that tournament was more than anything something for the fans. Life was probably trolling Seed
On July 13 2012 08:34 Tonttu wrote: Wouldn't seed qualify if Life won..? Because he was already qualified because of his points (and then his win), but Seed has more points than Keen for a qualification..?
During the entire tsl4 qualifiers stream has not been very smooth in fact slightly choppy. Im hoping this gets ironed out before the actual tourney begins. Games are far to awesome to allow little things(choppy streaming) take away from them.
Well at least this gives us another terran in the tournament and a good one at that. It feels weird to say that, but I would not have liked to see even more protoss in the tournament, even though I play protoss myself.
On July 13 2012 08:32 Roggay wrote: To be honest, they should almost DQ him for that lol.
The problem with that is dqing people for poor play is a slippery slope.
6-pool against a terran is not a bad strategy once in a while. Proberush against Zerg is not, however. Even if you don't care, it could still be a winning move if your opponent isn't prepared for it so yes, poor play shouldn't be enough to DQ
On July 13 2012 08:33 MCDayC wrote: The one problem with TL's format is exposed, the point system is good, but it exposes the tournament to problems like that.
There was one thrown series in 15 qualification tournaments. The format is fine.
Little uncomfortable watching those games to be honest. I can understand Life just not giving a damn given that he was already qualified but it must REALLY suck to be Seed right now given that Life literally just handed Keen the place ahead of him.
On July 13 2012 08:35 Chargelot wrote: That series was a joke. Life blatantly threw away the series Naniwa style.
it's not that he threw it. He didn't give a fuck because he's in the tournament no matter what. It's also really late in korea which people seem to forget and he probably just wanted to go to bed after playing so many bo3's and again he knew he qualified so he probably didn't care if he lost in the finals.
On July 13 2012 08:35 Chargelot wrote: That series was a joke. Life blatantly threw away the series Naniwa style.
He was already qualified. It would be a joke if keen got #2 and squirtle got in from doing nothing.
Squirtle is already in. And those with points haven't done nothing, they've participated in the other 4 KR qualifiers. That's why the points system exists.
On July 13 2012 08:35 Chargelot wrote: That series was a joke. Life blatantly threw away the series Naniwa style.
it's not that he threw it. He didn't give a fuck because he's in the tournament no matter what. It's also really late in korea which people seem to forget and he probably just wanted to go to bed after playing so many bo3's and again he knew he qualified so he probably didn't care if he lost in the finals.
I'm pretty sure the 6pools were part of Life's game plan. There IS incentive for him to carrying on playing, you can an extra $50 more. I'm sure that doesn't seem like a lot to you folks, but I'd definitely play for more money.
And didn't you see Life's Code A games against VINES? He Nydus Worm rushed Game 1 and 6pooled Game 2. This is obviously something Life incorporates into his style.
Don't want to have games like these? Get a qualifier format that doesn't lead to situations like this. Blaming players for not giving a shit about meaningless games is stupid as hell.
Realistically though, this happens in all sorts of competitions all around the world, including ones of a profile much higher than any SC2 tournament. It's like half of TL has never followed any other sport ever, and are suddenly shocked and appaled that a match that is meaningless for one of the parties can influence the standing of others in the tournament.
On July 13 2012 08:34 Fionn wrote: Keen deserves it for the close series against Polt
These games were probably really late at night by the time it came to the finals and Life had no real incentive of winning except if he really wanted a bit of extra cash.
Hey, 50 dollars is a lot of money for Life to buy food for his starving team.
If you've seen Life play in GSTL or GSL... it's not really a surprise. He's a bit of a weirdo who doesn't really have much regard for 'normal' game plans.
Hyper fast nydus + 6 pool to win the fastest ZvP series in GSL history, not three days ago.
Sick IdrA GG'ing out against Puzzle the instant he lost six burrowed infestors.
On July 13 2012 08:34 Fionn wrote: Keen deserves it for the close series against Polt
These games were probably really late at night by the time it came to the finals and Life had no real incentive of winning except if he really wanted a bit of extra cash.
Hey, 50 dollars is a lot of money for Life to buy food for his starving team.
On July 13 2012 08:42 mewbert wrote: I lost a lot of respect for life, or was therea legitamate reason for him doing this? I know was already in but that doesnt mean you throw the games.
Life 6 pools and does weird strategies all the time, nothing new really.
On July 13 2012 08:35 Chargelot wrote: That series was a joke. Life blatantly threw away the series Naniwa style.
it's not that he threw it. He didn't give a fuck because he's in the tournament no matter what. It's also really late in korea which people seem to forget and he probably just wanted to go to bed after playing so many bo3's and again he knew he qualified so he probably didn't care if he lost in the finals.
I'm pretty sure the 6pools were part of Life's game plan. There IS incentive for him to carrying on playing, you can an extra $50 more. I'm sure that doesn't seem like a lot to you folks, but I'd definitely play for more money.
And didn't you see Life's Code A games against VINES? He Nydus Worm rushed Game 1 and 6pooled Game 2. This is obviously something Life incorporates into his style.
Considering the time is now after eight in the morning in Korea and Life probably hasn't slept + just qualified for a big tournament, I guess that 50 dollars don't mean that much when there are bigger prizes at stake.
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
It's just plain ol' cheese, nothing especially abusive about it. Beats greedy builds, loses to safe ones. Imo, roach/bling busts are a lot worse in this respect, because they transition easily after doing a modicum of damage and straight-up kill a whole bunch of openings.
Its abusive cause terran MUST play greedy vs zerg nowadays. How cant u understand that? i guess u never played or watch a recent TvZ. Violet bust is very strong (op?) but not abusive in that regard cause not dependant of metagame. It can works even if terran open safe 13 gaz.
If you've seen Life play in GSTL or GSL... it's not really a surprise. He's a bit of a weirdo who doesn't really have much regard for 'normal' game plans.
Hyper fast nydus + 6 pool to win the fastest ZvP series in GSL history, not three days ago.
Sick IdrA GG'ing out against Puzzle the instant he lost six burrowed infestors.
On July 13 2012 08:37 Jarree wrote: Nice matchfixing well done.
Get out with that garbage. These accusations can ruin someones career.
Did you actually watch the games? I won't say they were literally fixed, but he obviously tried his hardest to lose, short of sending 6 probes to the enemy and holding position.
If you've seen Life play in GSTL or GSL... it's not really a surprise. He's a bit of a weirdo who doesn't really have much regard for 'normal' game plans.
Hyper fast nydus + 6 pool to win the fastest ZvP series in GSL history, not three days ago.
Sick IdrA GG'ing out against Puzzle the instant he lost six burrowed infestors.
On July 13 2012 08:42 mewbert wrote: I lost a lot of respect for life, or was therea legitamate reason for him doing this? I know was already in but that doesnt mean you throw the games.
Life 6 pools and does weird strategies all the time, nothing new really.
Versus VINES in the GSL, he did a nydus all in and a 6pool. Plus Keen lost versus one of his 6pools. This is typical Life style.
I like how the Korean qualifier finals was really, really bad, but the EU-NA qualifier finals was insanely good. Fraer and Major both played an amazing best of five, while Keen and Life played the absolute worst best of five I have ever seen. Kinda wish players would not play like that even if there is nothing on the line. Naniwa got a lot of shit for doing something similar in the GSL. You would think players would avoid that after they saw Naniwa's punishment.
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
Huh? I was entertained
Good for you bro, now u can go back playing LoL. See you.
On July 13 2012 08:37 Jarree wrote: Nice matchfixing well done.
Get out with that garbage. These accusations can ruin someones career.
Did you actually watch the games? I won't say they were literally fixed, but he obviously tried his hardest to lose, short of sending 6 probes to the enemy and holding position.
He won a game with it No? He also has been known to six pool before also, in situations that DO matter for him. Like he said match fixing is not something you just throw around.
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
It's just plain ol' cheese, nothing especially abusive about it. Beats greedy builds, loses to safe ones. Imo, roach/bling busts are a lot worse in this respect, because they transition easily after doing a modicum of damage and straight-up kill a whole bunch of openings.
Its abusive cause terran MUST play greedy vs zerg nowadays. How cant u understand that? i guess u never played or watch a recent TvZ. Violet bust is very strong (op?) but not abusive in that regard cause not dependant of metagame. It can works even if terran open safe 13 gaz.
I really think your understanding of the term "abusive" differs from that of most SC2 players.
On July 13 2012 08:42 mewbert wrote: I lost a lot of respect for life, or was therea legitamate reason for him doing this? I know was already in but that doesnt mean you throw the games.
Life 6 pools and does weird strategies all the time, nothing new really.
Versus VINES in the GSL, he did a nydus all in and a 6pool. Plus Keen lost versus one of his 6pools. This is typical Life style.
The difference is he didnt try at all, with the baneling bust he just detonated on the bunkers and typed. And you dont 6pool twice in 1 series. You know you will lose with the second 6 pool.
On July 13 2012 08:42 mewbert wrote: I lost a lot of respect for life, or was therea legitamate reason for him doing this? I know was already in but that doesnt mean you throw the games.
Life 6 pools and does weird strategies all the time, nothing new really.
Versus VINES in the GSL, he did a nydus all in and a 6pool. Plus Keen lost versus one of his 6pools. This is typical Life style.
And you dont 6pool twice in 1 series. You know you will lose with the second 6 pool.
Wrong
do you really need to be given a list of famous losses in history to multiple same-cheeses?
Anyways, this is karma payback for the time Keen had to hope Oz beat YuGiOh in the Up and Down matches, but Oz - who already qualified - fucked around with a random strategy and knocked Keen into Code A for a whole season.
On July 13 2012 08:42 mewbert wrote: I lost a lot of respect for life, or was therea legitamate reason for him doing this? I know was already in but that doesnt mean you throw the games.
Life 6 pools and does weird strategies all the time, nothing new really.
Versus VINES in the GSL, he did a nydus all in and a 6pool. Plus Keen lost versus one of his 6pools. This is typical Life style.
And you dont 6pool twice in 1 series. You know you will lose with the second 6 pool.
Wrong
well you saw keen playing save the 3th game vs another 6pool why would you 6pool in game 4 then?
On July 13 2012 08:52 Fionn wrote: Anyways, this is karma payback for the time Keen had to hope Oz beat YuGiOh in the Up and Down matches, but Oz - who already qualified - fucked around with a random strategy and knocked Keen into Code A for a whole season.
People make it like Life just committed a sin or something. He was in the position where he can choose who can go through, if he chooses Keen, that's fine, Seed has no saying whatsoever in this. This game is not like Nestea vs Naniwa where 2 players can't change any results.
And FFS, the kid is 15 years old, if he has classes tomorrow and doesn't want to drag the games out, are we adults gonna flame him too?
On July 13 2012 08:53 canikizu wrote: People make it like Life just committed a sin or something. He was in the position where he can choose who can go through, if he chooses Keen, that's fine, Seed has no saying whatsoever in this. This game is not like Nestea vs Naniwa where 2 players can't change any results.
And FFS, the kid is 15 years old, if he has classes tomorrow and doesn't want to drag the games out, are we adults gonna flame him too?
Life doesn't care about sin because he is already in ze nexT life.
On July 13 2012 08:42 mewbert wrote: I lost a lot of respect for life, or was therea legitamate reason for him doing this? I know was already in but that doesnt mean you throw the games.
Life 6 pools and does weird strategies all the time, nothing new really.
Versus VINES in the GSL, he did a nydus all in and a 6pool. Plus Keen lost versus one of his 6pools. This is typical Life style.
The difference is he didnt try at all, with the baneling bust he just detonated on the bunkers and typed. And you dont 6pool twice in 1 series. You know you will lose with the second 6 pool..
On July 13 2012 08:52 Fionn wrote: Anyways, this is karma payback for the time Keen had to hope Oz beat YuGiOh in the Up and Down matches, but Oz - who already qualified - fucked around with a random strategy and knocked Keen into Code A for a whole season.
Finally worked out for him this time.
go write your recap
still mourning over polt being one game away from being in tsl4.
On July 13 2012 08:52 Fionn wrote: Anyways, this is karma payback for the time Keen had to hope Oz beat YuGiOh in the Up and Down matches, but Oz - who already qualified - fucked around with a random strategy and knocked Keen into Code A for a whole season.
Finally worked out for him this time.
no way mayne, Keen got payback PLUS. Making TSL4 is one bazillion times more important than qualifying for GSL "Code Stinky".
I think it was pretty obvious that Life did not care after Game 3. He will do all-ins against protoss from time to time, but never against terran or zerg. This was very very odd to see from him, and it's a safe assumption that he threw the matches for any number of reasons (too tired, knew he was qualified anyway, had to go to school, etc.).
If it was matchfixing between the two players, then there was no reason why Keen should have lost Game 2. He could have easily walled off his ramp and claimed it was a safe reactored hellion expand.
I understand that people are upset because the games were mostly ass (and we want to be entertained) but unless there was blatant evidence of matchfixing, you can only accuse Life of playing like ass. Which he undoubtedly did. I don't think he was even aware of how it would bump Seed out of the qualifiers' circle.
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
It's just plain ol' cheese, nothing especially abusive about it. Beats greedy builds, loses to safe ones. Imo, roach/bling busts are a lot worse in this respect, because they transition easily after doing a modicum of damage and straight-up kill a whole bunch of openings.
Its abusive cause terran MUST play greedy vs zerg nowadays. How cant u understand that? i guess u never played or watch a recent TvZ. Violet bust is very strong (op?) but not abusive in that regard cause not dependant of metagame. It can works even if terran open safe 13 gaz.
I really think your understanding of the term "abusive" differs from that of most SC2 players.
Yeah, this word is so difficult to understand that i may have been lost,in the depht of meaning. Hopefully u will enlight me with a good traduction? Because im too dumb to find it on the internet.
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
It's just plain ol' cheese, nothing especially abusive about it. Beats greedy builds, loses to safe ones. Imo, roach/bling busts are a lot worse in this respect, because they transition easily after doing a modicum of damage and straight-up kill a whole bunch of openings.
Its abusive cause terran MUST play greedy vs zerg nowadays. How cant u understand that? i guess u never played or watch a recent TvZ. Violet bust is very strong (op?) but not abusive in that regard cause not dependant of metagame. It can works even if terran open safe 13 gaz.
I really think your understanding of the term "abusive" differs from that of most SC2 players.
Yeah, this word is so difficult to understand that i may have been lost,in the depht of meaning. Hopefully u will enlight me with a good traduction? Because im too dumb to find it on the internet.
"Abusive", adj.: any successful strategy that the word's user disapproves of.
Maybe you can pull 2 cheeses off in a round of a lot. But in the finals you wont take the risk to get cheesed twice on the same way (as you see in how keen did it). Anyhow both life and keen deserved to qualify, only really unlucky for Seed that it has gone this way.
On July 13 2012 08:52 Fionn wrote: Anyways, this is karma payback for the time Keen had to hope Oz beat YuGiOh in the Up and Down matches, but Oz - who already qualified - fucked around with a random strategy and knocked Keen into Code A for a whole season.
Finally worked out for him this time.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm personally not too pissed off about it, and I don't think Zenex will do anything about it. Congrats to Keen for qualifying.
On July 13 2012 08:52 Fionn wrote: Anyways, this is karma payback for the time Keen had to hope Oz beat YuGiOh in the Up and Down matches, but Oz - who already qualified - fucked around with a random strategy and knocked Keen into Code A for a whole season.
Finally worked out for him this time.
not exactly even payback lol. GSL is a tad more prestigious, not that i dont love tsl xD
On July 13 2012 08:20 FuzzyJAM wrote: 6pool is actually pretty legitimate now that CC first is so common.
I wouldnt say legitimate but abusive play. Works only because of actual metagame, requires 0 skill, provides 0 entertainment. All we want in a RTS game.
It's just plain ol' cheese, nothing especially abusive about it. Beats greedy builds, loses to safe ones. Imo, roach/bling busts are a lot worse in this respect, because they transition easily after doing a modicum of damage and straight-up kill a whole bunch of openings.
Its abusive cause terran MUST play greedy vs zerg nowadays. How cant u understand that? i guess u never played or watch a recent TvZ. Violet bust is very strong (op?) but not abusive in that regard cause not dependant of metagame. It can works even if terran open safe 13 gaz.
I really think your understanding of the term "abusive" differs from that of most SC2 players.
Yeah, this word is so difficult to understand that i may have been lost,in the depht of meaning. Hopefully u will enlight me with a good traduction? Because im too dumb to find it on the internet.
"Abusive", adj.: any successful strategy that the word's user disapproves of.
2. adj.: specifically, used to describe a strategy which Evil Genius's IdrA has lost to.
But honestly, the word abusive is used too much and has lost any sort of meaning. I don't think that abusive is the right term to describe 6 pooling in the current ZvT metagame to counter the majority of Terrans going CC first.
What Byun did to NesTea in Game 1 of their most recent Code S series, that was abusive. I love Byun and he's certainly not the only one at fault (GOM should have done a better job to prevent that), but abusing the fact that there was no neutral supply depot is abusive play. That's not how the game is supposed to function.
On July 13 2012 08:52 Fionn wrote: Anyways, this is karma payback for the time Keen had to hope Oz beat YuGiOh in the Up and Down matches, but Oz - who already qualified - fucked around with a random strategy and knocked Keen into Code A for a whole season.
Finally worked out for him this time.
not exactly even payback lol. GSL is a tad more prestigious, not that i dont love tsl xD
If GSL is more prestigious, then it's even worse that Oz fooled around and did not take his games as seriously after he had already qualified. I'm just sad that Polt did not manage to qualify
On July 13 2012 08:52 Fionn wrote: Anyways, this is karma payback for the time Keen had to hope Oz beat YuGiOh in the Up and Down matches, but Oz - who already qualified - fucked around with a random strategy and knocked Keen into Code A for a whole season.
Finally worked out for him this time.
not exactly even payback lol. GSL is a tad more prestigious, not that i dont love tsl xD
If GSL is more prestigious, then it's even worse that Oz fooled around and did not take his games as seriously after he had already qualified. I'm just sad that Polt did not manage to qualify
GSL is deff most prestigious, but there's a special quality about TSL, it only happens once a year I believe, and literally the whole community will be watching.
why did the zergs all in ? as if they didn't want to play? esp the polt vs zerg games.
Life was already guaranteed a spot in the tourney based upon being #1 in the TSL points, so that was why he chose to all-in. Can't speak for the other Z players.
Grats to Keen, however seeing that Life only needed ZvP and ZvZ to advance to the finals, while Keen had to play mostly TvZ before, it doesn't really surprise me that he eventually won. Nevertheless great performance!
On July 13 2012 17:53 Spidinko wrote: TSL 4 seems to be Korea-Europe showoff tournament.
Quality wise this could be an issue considering the Kr to EU lag issues. Are there any information how this will be handled? Switching servers between games or something?
On July 13 2012 08:53 canikizu wrote: People make it like Life just committed a sin or something. He was in the position where he can choose who can go through, if he chooses Keen, that's fine, Seed has no saying whatsoever in this. This game is not like Nestea vs Naniwa where 2 players can't change any results.
And FFS, the kid is 15 years old, if he has classes tomorrow and doesn't want to drag the games out, are we adults gonna flame him too?
Life doesn't care about sin because he is already in ze nexT life.
On July 13 2012 17:53 Spidinko wrote: TSL 4 seems to be Korea-Europe showoff tournament.
Quality wise this could be an issue considering the Kr to EU lag issues. Are there any information how this will be handled? Switching servers between games or something?
On July 13 2012 17:53 Spidinko wrote: TSL 4 seems to be Korea-Europe showoff tournament.
Quality wise this could be an issue considering the Kr to EU lag issues. Are there any information how this will be handled? Switching servers between games or something?
Yeha im curious about that too ...
I was wondering if it was thinkable to let them play on the NA server. Since the lag is manageable from the 2 other regions. It's kind of a neutral, middle ground too. :D
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