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On July 09 2012 06:56 johax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 03:16 leveller wrote:On July 06 2012 16:58 Sc2Null wrote:On July 04 2012 20:56 Otolia wrote:On June 30 2012 00:32 Vralaren wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly feel like this tournament is discriminating against men... Imagine the shitstorm a man only tournament would make. Now, this is only my view and thoughts. So i would like to wish good luck to the tournament and all the females that joins!
Just like Junior tournaments in traditional sports are discriminating towards adults. /facepalm Not actually the same thing: adults have a distinct advantage over "juniors" just by nature in sports. I agree with Otolia; a man only tournament would create a shitstorm but lets give females their own tournament because having men in it would make it...unfair somehow? Don't you get it? There are 0 femals in most tournaments, if this was open for everyone... again there would be 99% men competing for that 250 dollar prize pool, thereby missing the whole point to showcase female players and bring their competitiveness up. Sure in some years, maybe it would be unecessary because female gamers are so main stream. But until then tournaments like these are a great idea. Greater acceptance and understanding will bring more diversity to the scene. The problem is obviously that people don't see past the gender. If this was open to everyone, it would be a good tournament with good players and good games. A small amount of female players that are good is not a problem, at least it shouldn't be. You know there aren't a lot of black people at top level either but it's not like someone is going to make a tournament to "promote black players". People don't see a problem with a low amount of black starcraft players but it's not like anyone is hindering their success either. Why is this not the case with female players?
why is breast cancer charity more popular than malaria charity? breasts.
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Don't see the point of making a Female tournament in a game where the gender don't make any difference. For me it's discrimination.
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When it is about ideas of tolerance and acceptance of women, gay or religion, every other TL user has his kneejerk reaction and agrees. But when the time comes to live by those ideas and apply it in real life, there is nobody around anymore.
You are a whole bunch a coward brats who are nothing but airheads.
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On July 09 2012 07:23 Otolia wrote:
When it is about ideas of tolerance and acceptance of women, gay or religion, every other TL user has his kneejerk reaction and agrees. But when the time comes to live by those ideas and apply it in real life, there is nobody around anymore.
You are a whole bunch a coward brats who are nothing but airheads.
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I don't understand are you for or against women only tournys?
I've been put off replying since the current discussion in the thread is way off topic, and thus I pointed a mod to this thread, rather than bumping a 2 month old+ thread in website feedback.
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On July 09 2012 06:56 johax wrote:
People don't see a problem with a low amount of black starcraft players but it's not like anyone is hindering their success either. Why is this not the case with female players?
Are you kidding? You seriously think that no one is hindering female talent? Have you looked at a chat or on the forum whenever there is a female involved? As soon as a female shows herself it's "TITS OR GTFO", talk about her looks, go to the kitchen jokes, I even regularly see rape jokes. And this might just be memes or a fun little vernacular for those who continue to do it, but it's non-stop, all the time, every time there is a female on the screen. Would you seriously like to enter a community where you're treated that way? I'm a man but I'm fucking disgusted by how women are treated in the gamer community, either as objects or jokes. It's far worse than in regular society where it's already quite bad. These tournaments create a safe environment where women can develop their skill and interest without having to put up with all that.
Are they super good? Not yet, but who cares? No one's forcing you to watch. No one's forcing you to even notice it if you don't care. Why are some men so provoked by this? I see nothing but positives. Most of the arguments against this make no sense at all. It's discrimination??? Come the fuck on.
Edit: Sorry for my rant. To get back on topic, I'm enjoying this and I hope Maddelisk can take it home!
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On July 09 2012 07:31 Vaftrudner wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 06:56 johax wrote:
People don't see a problem with a low amount of black starcraft players but it's not like anyone is hindering their success either. Why is this not the case with female players?
Are you kidding? You seriously think that no one is hindering female talent? Have you looked at a chat or on the forum whenever there is a female involved? As soon as a female shows herself it's "TITS OR GTFO", talk about her looks, go to the kitchen jokes, I even regularly see rape jokes. And this might just be memes or a fun little vernacular for those who continue to do it, but it's non-stop, all the time, every time there is a female on the screen. Would you seriously like to enter a community where you're treated that way? I'm a man but I'm fucking disgusted by how women are treated in the gamer community, either as objects or jokes. It's far worse than in regular society where it's already quite bad. These tournaments create a safe environment where women can develop their skill and interest without having to put up with all that. Are they super good? Not yet, but who cares? No one's forcing you to watch. No one's forcing you to even notice it if you don't care. Why are some men so provoked by this? I see nothing but positives. Most of the arguments against this make no sense at all. It's discrimination??? Come the fuck on. Edit: Sorry for my rant. To get back on topic, I'm enjoying this and I hope Maddelisk can take it home!
"girl-only" is textbook discrimination.
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On July 09 2012 07:40 branflakes14 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 07:31 Vaftrudner wrote:On July 09 2012 06:56 johax wrote:
People don't see a problem with a low amount of black starcraft players but it's not like anyone is hindering their success either. Why is this not the case with female players?
Are you kidding? You seriously think that no one is hindering female talent? Have you looked at a chat or on the forum whenever there is a female involved? As soon as a female shows herself it's "TITS OR GTFO", talk about her looks, go to the kitchen jokes, I even regularly see rape jokes. And this might just be memes or a fun little vernacular for those who continue to do it, but it's non-stop, all the time, every time there is a female on the screen. Would you seriously like to enter a community where you're treated that way? I'm a man but I'm fucking disgusted by how women are treated in the gamer community, either as objects or jokes. It's far worse than in regular society where it's already quite bad. These tournaments create a safe environment where women can develop their skill and interest without having to put up with all that. Are they super good? Not yet, but who cares? No one's forcing you to watch. No one's forcing you to even notice it if you don't care. Why are some men so provoked by this? I see nothing but positives. Most of the arguments against this make no sense at all. It's discrimination??? Come the fuck on. Edit: Sorry for my rant. To get back on topic, I'm enjoying this and I hope Maddelisk can take it home! "girl-only" is textbook discrimination.
It is as discriminatory as french only, or NA only. There is a difference between discrimination as preferential treatment towards a particular population and selection.
Men have plenty of tournaments to play in, as such making a women only tournament isn't preventing them for anything, it is merely adding something to the female community.
I blame those post-racial philosophers who thought it would be smart to use the verb discriminate in every sentence.
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On July 09 2012 07:31 Vaftrudner wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 06:56 johax wrote:
People don't see a problem with a low amount of black starcraft players but it's not like anyone is hindering their success either. Why is this not the case with female players?
Are you kidding? You seriously think that no one is hindering female talent?
you seriously think no one is hindering male talent? i mean, it has been looked down on ALOT to be a gamer, male or female, yet it doesn't seem to bother the males, only the females. strange..
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This thread is to discuss this specific tournament, not to debate whether female only tournaments are discriminatory or not, as that will only derail the thread.
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Edit: didn't see mod post. ignore please.
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Yes, congratulations to Madde! Some weird final games, but it's understandable considering how late it was 
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