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Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
June 28 2012 23:21 GMT
#3861
On June 28 2012 15:39 Koshi wrote:
Friend of mine was yesterday depressed because he liquibetted against MC. The guy is a big fan and didn't see a realistic chance MC getting out of this group. Kind of funny to hear him complain.


How's he feelin' now???
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
June 28 2012 23:24 GMT
#3862
On June 29 2012 03:06 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 03:03 uLaLuLaLume wrote:
I think Seeker should stop providing these game 'recaps' and his own subjective ratings in the recommended section. Not only are they biased (in favor of Terran, go figure), but they're also somewhat of a spoiler, and a lot of people simply wish to know which games are most worth watching without knowing what to expect beforehand.

Today my recaps were retarded because I was angry I admit that.

But all my other ones I take care in writing them. I always make sure nothing is spoiled. I apologize for today's recaps, but it won't happen again.

But in order for me to improve, please post the ones where you felt like I spoiled something. I will work on those and make sure it doesn't happen again


Seeker. You are awesome.
That is all.
DRTnOOber
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
New Zealand476 Posts
June 28 2012 23:25 GMT
#3863
What a joy it was to watch last night. I bought my first season ticket for GSL and I'm loving it. Perfect because I have an 8 week old baby so it's really difficult to play SC2 much these days but easy to watch the GSL while I hold her.

MC... that was incredible. That blink Stalker all-in against MarineKing was beautiful... and the control you had against Squirtle's Colossus rush was just impeccable.

And I really like how he smiles before the matches as he chats to his opponents. He seems kind of cheeky.
But I'm off creep... and so I slow down, what are hellions doing here? I don't belong here...
Bluerain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States348 Posts
June 28 2012 23:28 GMT
#3864
On June 29 2012 06:44 SharkStarcraft wrote:
PvZ is broken, you have to commit to a 2 base all in like Squirtle did or you're gonna get roflstomped unless the Zerg's name is Yugioh/ he's not playing well.


PvZ is broken....cus toss 2 base all-ins are too easy to execute as illustrated by squirtle vs symbol first set.
SkinnyCook
Profile Joined May 2012
United States39 Posts
June 28 2012 23:49 GMT
#3865
Such damn good matches.
Do things with your conscious.
SkinnyCook
Profile Joined May 2012
United States39 Posts
June 28 2012 23:49 GMT
#3866
On June 28 2012 01:56 Heraklitus wrote:
Symbol/MC. But damn, what a group.


You predictions are so great!
Do things with your conscious.
uLaLuLaLume
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada75 Posts
June 29 2012 00:24 GMT
#3867
On June 29 2012 03:06 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 03:03 uLaLuLaLume wrote:
I think Seeker should stop providing these game 'recaps' and his own subjective ratings in the recommended section. Not only are they biased (in favor of Terran, go figure), but they're also somewhat of a spoiler, and a lot of people simply wish to know which games are most worth watching without knowing what to expect beforehand.

Today my recaps were retarded because I was angry I admit that.

But all my other ones I take care in writing them. I always make sure nothing is spoiled. I apologize for today's recaps, but it won't happen again.

But in order for me to improve, please post the ones where you felt like I spoiled something. I will work on those and make sure it doesn't happen again


In reference to your own subjective ratings; they bear no relevance. Ultimately, an objective game rating is desired, and the polls bring us as close as humanly possible to said desired objectivity status. In reference to which recaps were spoilers; imo, they're all spoilers. Imo, even the remotest hint at how, strategically, a game was played out (quality aside) is a spoiler. I want the game I'm about to watch to be a surprise in every sense of the term (besides knowing beforehand, owing to the polls, that it's going to be a gg). I am confident that there are many others like myself who try not to read your recaps whilst looking at the polls. Don't get me wrong, however; I truly appreciate the effort you put into these threads.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
June 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#3868
On June 29 2012 08:24 Kharnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 03:06 SeeKeR wrote:
On June 29 2012 03:03 uLaLuLaLume wrote:
I think Seeker should stop providing these game 'recaps' and his own subjective ratings in the recommended section. Not only are they biased (in favor of Terran, go figure), but they're also somewhat of a spoiler, and a lot of people simply wish to know which games are most worth watching without knowing what to expect beforehand.

Today my recaps were retarded because I was angry I admit that.

But all my other ones I take care in writing them. I always make sure nothing is spoiled. I apologize for today's recaps, but it won't happen again.

But in order for me to improve, please post the ones where you felt like I spoiled something. I will work on those and make sure it doesn't happen again


Seeker. You are awesome.
That is all.

Haha. Thank you very much ^^

On June 29 2012 09:24 uLaLuLaLume wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 03:06 SeeKeR wrote:
On June 29 2012 03:03 uLaLuLaLume wrote:
I think Seeker should stop providing these game 'recaps' and his own subjective ratings in the recommended section. Not only are they biased (in favor of Terran, go figure), but they're also somewhat of a spoiler, and a lot of people simply wish to know which games are most worth watching without knowing what to expect beforehand.

Today my recaps were retarded because I was angry I admit that.

But all my other ones I take care in writing them. I always make sure nothing is spoiled. I apologize for today's recaps, but it won't happen again.

But in order for me to improve, please post the ones where you felt like I spoiled something. I will work on those and make sure it doesn't happen again


In reference to your own subjective ratings; they bear no relevance. Ultimately, an objective game rating is desired, and the polls bring us as close as humanly possible to said desired objectivity status. In reference to which recaps were spoilers; imo, they're all spoilers. Imo, even the remotest hint at how, strategically, a game was played out (quality aside) is a spoiler. I want the game I'm about to watch to be a surprise in every sense of the term (besides knowing beforehand, owing to the polls, that it's going to be a gg). I am confident that there are many others like myself who try not to read your recaps whilst looking at the polls. Don't get me wrong, however; I truly appreciate the effort you put into these threads.


I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately, there isn't much I can do about that. I guess the only way to avoid that would be to just post the polls themselves and no recap.
But I often feel that polls do not do the game justice. Most polls seems to have answers purely based on whether or not their favorite player lost or won. And that often leads to inaccurate polls that will deprive ppl of watching good games.

That's why I add my recaps. I let my readers decided whether or not the game is worth watching or not. Granted, I often slip up and let my own bias get the best of me, but I do really try hard to write these recaps as non objective as possible.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
June 29 2012 01:26 GMT
#3869
MC vs Squirtle.

Games taken through sheer force of will. I am so awed! Force of will!
Defender of truth, justice, and noontime meals!
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 01:30 GMT
#3870
On June 29 2012 10:26 Lunchador wrote:
MC vs Squirtle.

Games taken through sheer force of will. I am so awed! Force of will!



My friends and I watched game 2 live...our jaws dropped....
"how on earth did he..."
o_O

moo...for DRG
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
June 29 2012 01:50 GMT
#3871
Because MC is best player in the world. That's right over DRG MVP and all the rest. He plays a very underrepresented race and dominates. It's no accident he was picked almost last and players made thier fear known dispite crappy GSL results last year.
MC for president
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
June 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#3872
On June 29 2012 10:50 tdt wrote:
Because MC is best player in the world. That's right over DRG MVP and all the rest. He plays a very underrepresented race and dominates. It's no accident he was picked almost last and players made thier fear known dispite crappy GSL results last year.


No. Just no. He's not consistent enough to be better than DRG or MVP.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
June 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#3873
On June 29 2012 08:28 Bluerain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 06:44 SharkStarcraft wrote:
PvZ is broken, you have to commit to a 2 base all in like Squirtle did or you're gonna get roflstomped unless the Zerg's name is Yugioh/ he's not playing well.


PvZ is broken....cus toss 2 base all-ins are too easy to execute as illustrated by squirtle vs symbol first set.


what viable other option does a protoss have to win vs zerg. o right none.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:27:31
June 29 2012 02:26 GMT
#3874
On June 28 2012 18:35 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 18:32 neoghaleon55 wrote:
OPTEROWN!~
PLAGIARISM!

Khaldor thinks you drew that banner!

i never said i did!


But you and SeeKeR never credited the creator of that picture in the opening post...
it's very misleading.

In academia, that's called plagiarism!

Edit: I'm glad SeeKeR finally changed it.
moo...for DRG
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
June 29 2012 02:30 GMT
#3875
On June 29 2012 10:50 tdt wrote:
Because MC is best player in the world. That's right over DRG MVP and all the rest. He plays a very underrepresented race and dominates. It's no accident he was picked almost last and players made thier fear known dispite crappy GSL results last year.


I lol'd. Protoss is pretty well represented in Code S at the moment.. anyways I'd be happy if he gets far as long as he doesn't do all-ins every second game! You don't get to see many MC macro games
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#3876
On June 29 2012 11:26 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 18:35 opterown wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:32 neoghaleon55 wrote:
OPTEROWN!~
PLAGIARISM!

Khaldor thinks you drew that banner!

i never said i did!


But you and SeeKeR never credited the creator of that picture in the opening post...
it's very misleading.

In academia, that's called plagiarism!

Edit: I'm glad SeeKeR finally changed it.


Pretty sure it had credit to adebird since the beginning because I remember reading his name there from the very moment I opened the LR thread.

Also to those saying the polls are objective: if you've been around long enough you'd know that they are rarely representative of game quality.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#3877
On June 29 2012 11:34 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:26 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:35 opterown wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:32 neoghaleon55 wrote:
OPTEROWN!~
PLAGIARISM!

Khaldor thinks you drew that banner!

i never said i did!


But you and SeeKeR never credited the creator of that picture in the opening post...
it's very misleading.

In academia, that's called plagiarism!

Edit: I'm glad SeeKeR finally changed it.


Pretty sure it had credit to adebird since the beginning because I remember reading his name there from the very moment I opened the LR thread.

Also to those saying the polls are objective: if you've been around long enough you'd know that they are rarely representative of game quality.


It wasn't last night. It credited only opterown for editing the picture and said the pic was found on twitter.

moo...for DRG
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
June 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#3878
Missed the broadcast but been catching up on the VODs. Few comments from the last few pages:

- That hold against the 4-gate into double immortal/DT drop counter...WTF? How did he hold that? Amazing. :D I think everyone was convinced he was dead there. Casters certainly were.

- I actually think MKP is a little overhyped as well. I don't think he's a bad player but he's not a well-rounded player in my eyes. As Jinro said a few pages back if you want to pick a player who can win a tournament where you might be playing anyone MKP is a good choice. I think that's because his actual capabilities are right at the very, very top so on a good day in a straight up competition of macro/micro/mechanics he comes out ahead against most other players. But the fact that he can't consistently translate that into wins in games where he's able to prepare seems to indicate that he just doesn't know how to prepare properly. It seems to be a flaw with the mental part of his game holding him back and I reckon if he can just solve that he should easily be able to take a GSL in the near future.

- I like MC but I couldn't put him down as the best player in the world honestly. He's a great, great player but the best? Not convinced. I'm not even totally convinced he's the best Protoss player, he's just generally there by default thanks to being the sole GSL winner for Protoss (more than a year and counting...hmmm...).

- SeeKeR. I actually kinda like the little summaries but man...seriously...that bias... -_-
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 29 2012 02:38 GMT
#3879
On June 29 2012 11:11 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 08:28 Bluerain wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:44 SharkStarcraft wrote:
PvZ is broken, you have to commit to a 2 base all in like Squirtle did or you're gonna get roflstomped unless the Zerg's name is Yugioh/ he's not playing well.


PvZ is broken....cus toss 2 base all-ins are too easy to execute as illustrated by squirtle vs symbol first set.


what viable other option does a protoss have to win vs zerg. o right none.


Late game toss won all the games I saw today in the TSL qualifier and in general they win a lot. I'll never understand the people saying protoss can't win late game pvz when they do ALL THE TIME lol. Just because they lose also and don't win it 100% of the time doesn't mean it's not possible.
When I think of something else, something will go here
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 29 2012 02:39 GMT
#3880
On June 29 2012 11:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:34 lichter wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:26 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:35 opterown wrote:
On June 28 2012 18:32 neoghaleon55 wrote:
OPTEROWN!~
PLAGIARISM!

Khaldor thinks you drew that banner!

i never said i did!


But you and SeeKeR never credited the creator of that picture in the opening post...
it's very misleading.

In academia, that's called plagiarism!

Edit: I'm glad SeeKeR finally changed it.


Pretty sure it had credit to adebird since the beginning because I remember reading his name there from the very moment I opened the LR thread.

Also to those saying the polls are objective: if you've been around long enough you'd know that they are rarely representative of game quality.


It wasn't last night. It credited only opterown for editing the picture and said the pic was found on twitter.


seeker's decision, not mine. i pm'ed him my edited version, as well as the original twitter link
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