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Forsen > the.toninator to secure points goswer defeats YaTa in round 3 Catz vs Slavik for points Plexa beat me to KR securing points incontrol advances to round 4
Followed a really nice haypro game featuring what I hate most when I play zerg, being cannon rushed to death :D He said it himself "I shouldn't have won that" :p
On June 28 2012 01:39 coddan wrote: ret is watching over haypros shoulder, giving him advice and help keeping track of drops and stuff. i feel like that's not very fair.
On June 28 2012 01:39 coddan wrote: ret is watching over haypros shoulder, giving him advice and help keeping track of drops and stuff. i feel like that's not very fair.
well you cant really prevent it from happening
So? People hack and we can't stop that, so we should not care about someone we see hacking either?
On June 28 2012 01:37 nepeta wrote: Ret coaching Haypro, is that even legal ^^
I was asking that myself. Don´t think that´s fair. Although others might do that too, it´s not exactly smart to do that on Stream. I think, someone should have a word with them.
On June 28 2012 01:39 coddan wrote: ret is watching over haypros shoulder, giving him advice and help keeping track of drops and stuff. i feel like that's not very fair.
well you cant really prevent it from happening
So? People hack and we can't stop that, so we should not care about someone we see hacking either?
one can prevent hacking, but you cannot prevent what ret and haypro are doing. or do you wanna control how players get advice from their friends while playing sc2?
On June 28 2012 01:39 coddan wrote: ret is watching over haypros shoulder, giving him advice and help keeping track of drops and stuff. i feel like that's not very fair.
well you cant really prevent it from happening
So? People hack and we can't stop that, so we should not care about someone we see hacking either?
one can prevent hacking, but you cannot prevent what ret and haypro are doing. or do you wanna control how players get advice from their friends while playing sc2?
If one could prevent hacking why does it still appear and people win games with them? If you think Spades is the only person in Starcraft 2 who's hacked for tournament's, you're very naive.
It's not okay to have someone sit next to you and help you play in a tournament, no matter what.
Ret coaching haypro doesn't matter. If anything it was a distraction. That's why Haypro asked him to stop. It's hard to concentrate on the game when someone is telling you what to do. It's not like he was stream cheating or anything.
On June 28 2012 01:39 coddan wrote: ret is watching over haypros shoulder, giving him advice and help keeping track of drops and stuff. i feel like that's not very fair.
well you cant really prevent it from happening
So? People hack and we can't stop that, so we should not care about someone we see hacking either?
one can prevent hacking, but you cannot prevent what ret and haypro are doing. or do you wanna control how players get advice from their friends while playing sc2?
If one could prevent hacking why does it still appear and people win games with them? If you think Spades is the only person in Starcraft 2 who's hacked for tournament's, you're very naive.
It's not okay to have someone sit next to you and help you play in a tournament, no matter what.
you call me naive, but try to compare two different things.
On June 28 2012 01:39 coddan wrote: ret is watching over haypros shoulder, giving him advice and help keeping track of drops and stuff. i feel like that's not very fair.
well you cant really prevent it from happening
So? People hack and we can't stop that, so we should not care about someone we see hacking either?
one can prevent hacking, but you cannot prevent what ret and haypro are doing. or do you wanna control how players get advice from their friends while playing sc2?
If one could prevent hacking why does it still appear and people win games with them? If you think Spades is the only person in Starcraft 2 who's hacked for tournament's, you're very naive.
It's not okay to have someone sit next to you and help you play in a tournament, no matter what.
you call me naive, but try to compare two different things.
What's the difference exactly? If I have a maphack that spots drops for me, or if I have a friend who spots them for me? What if I have a pro friend who tells me when to take my gases, what units to make and when and where to defend, like ret was doing for Haypro?
On June 28 2012 01:37 nepeta wrote: Ret coaching Haypro, is that even legal ^^
Shouldn't be, pretty much cheating xD
Don't think it is a direct breach of rules though.
Don´t think so neither. But doing it on Stream somewhat reminds me of a stupid, unnecessary "not-foul" in football. When the ball will go outside anyway and it´s very close to a foul which would mean penalty. I sometimes feel that people deserve a yellow card there just for stupidity.
On June 28 2012 01:39 coddan wrote: ret is watching over haypros shoulder, giving him advice and help keeping track of drops and stuff. i feel like that's not very fair.
well you cant really prevent it from happening
So? People hack and we can't stop that, so we should not care about someone we see hacking either?
one can prevent hacking, but you cannot prevent what ret and haypro are doing. or do you wanna control how players get advice from their friends while playing sc2?
If one could prevent hacking why does it still appear and people win games with them? If you think Spades is the only person in Starcraft 2 who's hacked for tournament's, you're very naive.
It's not okay to have someone sit next to you and help you play in a tournament, no matter what.
you call me naive, but try to compare two different things.
What's the difference exactly? If I have a maphack that spots drops for me, or if I have a friend who spots them for me? What if I have a pro friend who tells me when to take my gases, what units to make and when and where to defend, like ret was doing for Haypro?
That was not was ret was doing. It seems you are intentionally trying to give people the completely wrong impression. Ret saw haypro playing and made a couple of simple comments. He didn't sit spotting for drops, or "coached". He stopped after about 1 min since it distracted haypro and it probably wasn't a good idea because of people like you.
On June 28 2012 01:39 coddan wrote: ret is watching over haypros shoulder, giving him advice and help keeping track of drops and stuff. i feel like that's not very fair.
well you cant really prevent it from happening
So? People hack and we can't stop that, so we should not care about someone we see hacking either?
one can prevent hacking, but you cannot prevent what ret and haypro are doing. or do you wanna control how players get advice from their friends while playing sc2?
If one could prevent hacking why does it still appear and people win games with them? If you think Spades is the only person in Starcraft 2 who's hacked for tournament's, you're very naive.
It's not okay to have someone sit next to you and help you play in a tournament, no matter what.
you call me naive, but try to compare two different things.
What's the difference exactly? If I have a maphack that spots drops for me, or if I have a friend who spots them for me? What if I have a pro friend who tells me when to take my gases, what units to make and when and where to defend, like ret was doing for Haypro?
That was not was ret was doing. It seems you are intentionally trying to give people the completely wrong impression. Ret saw haypro playing and made a couple of simple comments. He didn't sit spotting for drops, or "coached". He stopped after about 1 min since it distracted haypro and it probably wasn't a good idea because of people like you.
That's exactly what ret was doing. I was literally hearing him telling Haypro there's a drop coming to his main, that he needs to take more gases, and that he should make corruptors. I didn't just pull that out of my ass. And he was doing it for a lot more than one minute. If anyone is fabricating things, it's you.
"People like me." Yeah. People who prefer when players win by their own merit, not through cheating.
On June 28 2012 01:57 Shellshock1122 wrote: Trimaster vs NinjaAUS for points
NinjaAUS?
No, no no. That is the Australian hero Ninja of Sequential Gaming. He's beaten such players as NesTea on KR ladder, he's beaten ST.RainBOw in tournaments.
On June 28 2012 01:57 Shellshock1122 wrote: Trimaster vs NinjaAUS for points
NinjaAUS?
No, no no. That is the Australian hero Ninja of Sequential Gaming. He's beaten such players as NesTea on KR ladder, he's beaten ST.RainBOw in tournaments.
Definitely do not underestimate this guy.
im not underestimating him T_T I'm just writing whats on the bracket
On June 28 2012 01:57 Shellshock1122 wrote: Trimaster vs NinjaAUS for points
NinjaAUS?
No, no no. That is the Australian hero Ninja of Sequential Gaming. He's beaten such players as NesTea on KR ladder, he's beaten ST.RainBOw in tournaments.
Definitely do not underestimate this guy.
im not underestimating him T_T I'm just writing whats on the bracket
I never said you did! Calm down, Dr. Phil! I'm just letting you know in case you thought about underestimating him!
On June 28 2012 01:57 Shellshock1122 wrote: Trimaster vs NinjaAUS for points
NinjaAUS?
No, no no. That is the Australian hero Ninja of Sequential Gaming. He's beaten such players as NesTea on KR ladder, he's beaten ST.RainBOw in tournaments.
Definitely do not underestimate this guy.
Only a fool would underestimate a guy called Ninja. Especially if he's Australian.
On June 28 2012 01:54 Hot_Bid wrote: We didn't anticipate this happening (player sitting next to player commenting on the game), so we don't have a rule against it.
Currently though we are warning/discouraging players from doing this. I believe Hayder and Ret have stopped.
Haypro was ignoring most of Ret's tips anyway, never built any crawlers in his bases and got dropped like crazy. Still, Insanely fast response time, one day TL will regret having set the bar so high.
Oh, and can you confirm Rich having written a program to play protoss? Or did Haypro get another faux pas in there as well :p
On June 28 2012 01:57 Shellshock1122 wrote: Trimaster vs NinjaAUS for points
NinjaAUS?
No, no no. That is the Australian hero Ninja of Sequential Gaming. He's beaten such players as NesTea on KR ladder, he's beaten ST.RainBOw in tournaments.
Definitely do not underestimate this guy.
im not underestimating him T_T I'm just writing whats on the bracket
I never said you did! Calm down, Dr. Phil! I'm just letting you know in case you thought about underestimating him!
haha ok. well it looks like a strong showing for Australia today with Mafia already reaching the ro16 and Ninja playing for points. Too bad Moonglade had to face the champion :/ he probably could have gotten points in another part of the bracket I also completely forgot about tgun who is doing really well today, too.
On June 28 2012 01:57 Shellshock1122 wrote: Trimaster vs NinjaAUS for points
NinjaAUS?
No, no no. That is the Australian hero Ninja of Sequential Gaming. He's beaten such players as NesTea on KR ladder, he's beaten ST.RainBOw in tournaments.
Definitely do not underestimate this guy.
im not underestimating him T_T I'm just writing whats on the bracket
I never said you did! Calm down, Dr. Phil! I'm just letting you know in case you thought about underestimating him!
haha ok. well it looks like a strong showing for Australia today with Mafia already reaching the ro16 and Ninja playing for points. Too bad Moonglade had to face the champion :/ he probably could have gotten points in another part of the bracket
tgun is currently 1-0 over KawaiiRice in Ro32 as well.
Come on Mycerion I'm rooting for you on the off chance you pull a thorzain and win it all so I can sound like a proud hipster who could tell the future.
On June 28 2012 02:03 Humbalumba wrote: R1ch should probably stop beating his own players :/
Wait... Is SSRich the same as R1ch of liquipedia and teamliquid website design fame? that would be incredable Edit: Atta boy Welmu
No, SSRich goes by the Battle.net ID "Grape". He has 32 points at the moment.
On June 28 2012 02:05 Welmu wrote:
On June 28 2012 02:04 iNcontroL wrote: bo1 pvp ftw ._.
lets play bo7 then ^^
To be perfectly honest, I'm pretty sure Bo1 PvP played into your advantage, iNc...
to be perfectly honest you don't know me at all >_<
Well, that's true of course, but I know Welmu is one of the strongest protoss players in Europe right now, and while I don't know your current form, my best guess given the information I have is that Welmu is in better shape, therefore I think that a Bo1 would play into your advantage as the underdog. That's all.
On June 28 2012 02:22 GTR wrote: Loving mycerion's consistency. Will be shocked if he doesn't make it through the points system.
yeah this qualifier system really plays into his advanage but sadly i think he will have next to chance to get through ro32 in the real tournament. but who knows maybe he can practice a lot and prepare a lot until then ^^ would be an awesome story
Really like this format with point qualifiers, makes for a lot more interesting qualifiers.
Interesting to see who is going to win this one now, I would say that all the big name players are pretty much out now. Maybe Protosser? Hope for Forsen though ^^
On June 28 2012 02:28 teddyoojo wrote: wtf is cloud doing ? :O guess it is to prevent fast third and creep? looks kinda cool
Terrans are starting to build a few bunkers on the low ground to stop zergs from spreading creep so quickly (now that they are all going mass queen). It's basically like map control with hellions, except stationary and less vulnerable to queens. Probably will eventually replace hellion openings eventually.
Oh God, I go off for lunch and come back to this. HuK, why.
Qualifier is so wide open right now, this is awesome. Will say though, if Haypro comes out with this given the past 2 days of Liquid results, I'm ready to drink whatever Kool-Aid they're drinking.
I have no idea how Mycerion advances so far every time. Kawaii played him yesterday and he seemed not very good. Has he ever taken down a notable player? I'm so confused by him :p
MaFia vs MajOr is a game of KR Grandmasters, sad to see it go uncasted. I hope someone will get the replay.
On June 28 2012 02:38 Xeris wrote: I have no idea how Mycerion advances so far every time. Kawaii played him yesterday and he seemed not very good. Has he ever taken down a notable player? I'm so confused by him :p
His PvT is his worst MU, which makes this a very fortuitous time to be qualifying.
On June 28 2012 02:22 GTR wrote: Loving mycerion's consistency. Will be shocked if he doesn't make it through the points system.
yeah this qualifier system really plays into his advanage but sadly i think he will have next to chance to get through ro32 in the real tournament. but who knows maybe he can practice a lot and prepare a lot until then ^^ would be an awesome story
That's what people said about Nani and Tarzan ! (and Tarzan met Fruitvendor first round. No one even considered the possibility of him winning...I don't remember who Nani met tho)
On June 28 2012 02:22 GTR wrote: Loving mycerion's consistency. Will be shocked if he doesn't make it through the points system.
yeah this qualifier system really plays into his advanage but sadly i think he will have next to chance to get through ro32 in the real tournament. but who knows maybe he can practice a lot and prepare a lot until then ^^ would be an awesome story
That's what people said about Nani and Tarzan ! (and Tarzan met Fruitvendor first round. No one even considered the possibility of him winning...I don't remember who Nani met tho)
On June 28 2012 02:36 BigBossX wrote: That kawaii game was fucking disgusting, someone should send that shit to blizzard ...
Kawaiis macro game 2 was very poor, im no zerg defender but other than expanding he didnt do enough to capitalise on his gain, he was supply blocked often early, made some very questionable tech switches. Now I was surporised with how much tgun had given his number of bases, but facts remain kr let him come back.
On June 28 2012 02:22 GTR wrote: Loving mycerion's consistency. Will be shocked if he doesn't make it through the points system.
yeah this qualifier system really plays into his advanage but sadly i think he will have next to chance to get through ro32 in the real tournament. but who knows maybe he can practice a lot and prepare a lot until then ^^ would be an awesome story
That's what people said about Nani and Tarzan ! (and Tarzan met Fruitvendor first round. No one even considered the possibility of him winning...I don't remember who Nani met tho)
Yeah but atleast nani and thorzain won qualifiers. Not to be a hater or anything but all mycerion does is getting through som rounds and never beating anyone notable and getting easy points. Still impressive that he manages to be more consistant than pro gamers like huk, machine and incontrol
What happened that game was KawaiiRice turtled on 3-4 bases and built a death ball of battle cruisers + vikings + ravens, and tgun was not able to stop it with infestors, ultras, zerglings, and corrupters.
On June 28 2012 03:08 Xeris wrote: If tgun realized zerglings didn't counter bc/viking/raven the game might'e turned out differently
What does counter bc/viking/raven? Corruptor/infestor clearly wasn't working too well.
it would have worked pretty well if 15 infestors didn't lose all their energy O_O
Ah, true. I forgot that part. That was a ridiculously good EMP. tgun is like "YEAH INFESTORS GONNA COME OUTTA NOWHERE TAKE OVER UR BCS DUDE" but then Kawaii was like "IT IS I WHO SHALL SURPRISE YOU GOOD SIR, GHOSTS THE FUCK OUT OF NOWHERE EMP"
On June 28 2012 03:04 Asha` wrote: Bradley Seymour @GoSutgun Anyone who thinks zerg is op compared to terran is mentally challenged and shall be treated as such.
On June 28 2012 03:08 Xeris wrote: If tgun realized zerglings didn't counter bc/viking/raven the game might'e turned out differently
What does counter bc/viking/raven? Corruptor/infestor clearly wasn't working too well.
Max out 1-2 times on corrupters and come in from different directions to reach maximum split. Infestors, though effective vs. a couple of BCs using NP, aren't that useful against mass BCs because a decent Terran is just going to aim them down with the BC one shot ability and EMPs. A maxed out BC + Viking + Raven fleet is very expensive and killing it once is game over for the Terran.
On June 28 2012 03:08 Xeris wrote: If tgun realized zerglings didn't counter bc/viking/raven the game might'e turned out differently
What does counter bc/viking/raven? Corruptor/infestor clearly wasn't working too well.
it would have worked pretty well if 15 infestors didn't lose all their energy O_O
Ah, true. I forgot that part. That was a ridiculously good EMP. tgun is like "YEAH INFESTORS GONNA COME OUTTA NOWHERE TAKE OVER UR BCS DUDE" but then Kawaii was like "IT IS I WHO SHALL SURPRISE YOU GOOD SIR, GHOSTS THE FUCK OUT OF NOWHERE EMP"
Sad times for SEA fans.
Actually he also burrowed and moved a ton of infestors towards bcs while ravens were detecting them.
The point is, tgun sucks, plays like shit, bms kawaii, claims terran op
On June 28 2012 03:08 Xeris wrote: If tgun realized zerglings didn't counter bc/viking/raven the game might'e turned out differently
What does counter bc/viking/raven? Corruptor/infestor clearly wasn't working too well.
it would have worked pretty well if 15 infestors didn't lose all their energy O_O
Ah, true. I forgot that part. That was a ridiculously good EMP. tgun is like "YEAH INFESTORS GONNA COME OUTTA NOWHERE TAKE OVER UR BCS DUDE" but then Kawaii was like "IT IS I WHO SHALL SURPRISE YOU GOOD SIR, GHOSTS THE FUCK OUT OF NOWHERE EMP"
Sad times for SEA fans.
Actually he also burrowed and moved a ton of infestors towards bcs while ravens were detecting them.
The point is, tgun sucks, plays like shit, bms kawaii, claims terran op
On June 28 2012 03:08 Xeris wrote: If tgun realized zerglings didn't counter bc/viking/raven the game might'e turned out differently
What does counter bc/viking/raven? Corruptor/infestor clearly wasn't working too well.
it would have worked pretty well if 15 infestors didn't lose all their energy O_O
Ah, true. I forgot that part. That was a ridiculously good EMP. tgun is like "YEAH INFESTORS GONNA COME OUTTA NOWHERE TAKE OVER UR BCS DUDE" but then Kawaii was like "IT IS I WHO SHALL SURPRISE YOU GOOD SIR, GHOSTS THE FUCK OUT OF NOWHERE EMP"
Sad times for SEA fans.
Actually he also burrowed and moved a ton of infestors towards bcs while ravens were detecting them.
The point is, tgun sucks, plays like shit, bms kawaii, claims terran op
LOOOOOL
He's just venting cause he lost
He went full IdrA in that one, said KawaiiRice was an awful Terran
Watching Forsen vs Babyknight ATM, I was wondering if Forsen even watches where his corruptors are when he clicks the morph button. It seems like he always morph them in the best possible location : the frontline.
damn Jonnyrecco took out Zikminto andt hen got Bling... 3 good UK playuers meeting on same path... lol Never seen the uk with so many good players when you add Demuslim to the mix too!!!
Seriously, how goddamn long is Mafia vs MajOr taking? KawaiiRice vs tgun was like 3 games that went for about 30 mins average and Mafia vs MajOr has been going on since before then.
I'm sick of people raging like ass holes and then apologizing.
Most likely not sincere either. Probably someone from the management ordered him to.
For fucks sake. There's always people like you, isn't there. Too cynical to ever consider than humanity can be genuinely kind enough to apologize for a mistake.
On June 28 2012 03:30 RPR_Tempest wrote: Seriously, how goddamn long is Mafia vs MajOr taking? KawaiiRice vs tgun was like 3 games that went for about 30 mins average and Mafia vs MajOr has been going on since before then.
I wish we had a caster in this series - Probably the only 2 current korean GM's in this tournament
On June 28 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote: Mycerion is the 2012 ZeeRax
No. ZeeRax had one style, got points in two qualifiers, and got in. Mycerion has consistently place high in qualifiers with a safe, flexible style and decent control and decision making. Big difference.
On June 28 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote: Mycerion is the 2012 ZeeRax
No. ZeeRax had one style, got points in two qualifiers, and got in. Mycerion has consistently place high in qualifiers with a safe, flexible style and decent control and decision making. Big difference.
Forsen metagaming the hell out of babyknight. A 2 base timings would have completely rolled him. As is, he's going to be way ahead with 4 bases and mutas out at the 10 min mark.
On June 28 2012 03:36 Toadvine wrote: Quick, call tgun's sponsors! This insult to Kawaii must be paid back in blood!
Jesus don't say that some people might take you seriously.
Well, this isn't reddit, so I judge the chances of this happening as fairly low.
We're not lagging that far behind reddit in that regard these days.
Anyway, people should realize that not everyone can always deal perfectly with a difficult loss when loaded with adrenaline. It's easy to spiral out of control. You can end up taking it out on your opponent or punching a hole through a wall.
Obviously it's not ideal, but it doesn't mean the guy is a dick.
KawaiiRice is out which sucks but that's better news for Mycerion if he advances because his PvP is better than his PvT and he already lost to KawaiiRice yesterday
On June 28 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote: Mycerion is the 2012 ZeeRax
No. ZeeRax had one style, got points in two qualifiers, and got in. Mycerion has consistently place high in qualifiers with a safe, flexible style and decent control and decision making. Big difference.
no mycerion isnt ever grandmaster on eu server lol. theres ton of ppl who could have done that too, he wasnt even all that highly rated last season. he just consitently participated, had some luck with brackets and eu top players didnt play as much tl open; thats it
On June 28 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote: Mycerion is the 2012 ZeeRax
No. ZeeRax had one style, got points in two qualifiers, and got in. Mycerion has consistently place high in qualifiers with a safe, flexible style and decent control and decision making. Big difference.
no mycerion isnt ever grandmaster on eu server lol. theres ton of ppl who could have done that too, he wasnt even all that highly rated last season. he just consitently participated, had some luck with brackets and eu top players didnt play as much tl open; thats it
On June 28 2012 03:54 Thrombozyt wrote: Damn.. Socke.. again out before RO32? Not his tourney series it seems... hopefully he can win a later one.. would be sad to have TSL4 without him.
Have faith. There are still 4 more for him to win!
On June 28 2012 03:28 Xeris wrote: Mycerion is the 2012 ZeeRax
No. ZeeRax had one style, got points in two qualifiers, and got in. Mycerion has consistently place high in qualifiers with a safe, flexible style and decent control and decision making. Big difference.
no mycerion isnt ever grandmaster on eu server lol. theres ton of ppl who could have done that too, he wasnt even all that highly rated last season. he just consitently participated, had some luck with brackets and eu top players didnt play as much tl open; thats it
Ouch... 3 hellions killing ~15 drones in one volley.. Haypro moving his drones to the natural, pulls them back stacking them on the ramp as the hellions are on the way out.
On June 28 2012 04:50 nath wrote: how the fuck did VPCursed beat Socke, Bischu, and Lowely?
why isn't anyone talking about that
I guess everyone is focusing on the people's hero right now and wow that is a great run he has going, if he beat socke and bischu he could do it vs ToD or welmu (Not the people's hero though for he will destroy all).
On June 28 2012 04:28 Choboo wrote: wow DBS so impressive TvZ. hope he can make it far!
how is cheesing into dancing impressive ?
lol, he won vs haypro 2-0. thats impressive no matter how you spin it
idk man he killed every single drone with a 2fact. im not impressed
winning 2-0 against zerg is impressive no matter how u do it
Isn't this post ban worthy? I mean, not so obvious but very obvious balance whine.
Former teacher's pet posting. You really find this post offensive, guy?
He's probably just annoyed at balance whining so I can understand why he would say something like that. Balance whining is extremely annoying to read no matter what race is QQ'ing, back when zergs QQ'd all the time I found it annoying as hell (me being a zerg). Even if I agreed with it, don't QQ about it in every thread a zerg loses/wins terran win/loses protoss win/loses, etc. Just annoying to read and takes away any credit the other player got for winning even if he completely out played him anyway.
On June 28 2012 05:02 Nick_54 wrote: Are there any remaining streams to watch? Dont see any listed at the moment, so sorry if its a dumb question.
On June 28 2012 05:04 Noam wrote: All the casters seem to have technical issues
If the mycerion vs welmu series doesn't end up getting casted, you should all download the replays.
They are not allowed to cast the ro8 (in order to protect suspense I guess?).
At least, that's the theory. Some players regularly stream their ro8, or have their ro8 casted. Looks like they're following the rule today though, for a change.
So Mycerion has made his way into the top 8 and Welmu is likely in as well. Pink and Select are displaced. DBS, Bling, or ToD needs to take 2nd place today to have an effect, possibly knocking down Morrow or putting Morrow and Welmu in a tie for 8th place.
On June 28 2012 04:50 nath wrote: how the fuck did VPCursed beat Socke, Bischu, and Lowely?
why isn't anyone talking about that? thats really fucking impressive and surprising.
We're supposed to ignore good NA players making names for themselves. Only lesser known EU players get hype around here. Pretty sure there's a rule somewhere...
On June 28 2012 04:50 nath wrote: how the fuck did VPCursed beat Socke, Bischu, and Lowely?
why isn't anyone talking about that? thats really fucking impressive and surprising.
We're supposed to ignore good NA players making a name for themselves. Only lesser known EU players get hype around here, pretty sure there's a rule somewhere.
You Americans should totally do what Europe did when fraer broke out at dreamhack and act as if you were a long time fan of him and flame everyone for not knowing about him.
On June 28 2012 05:21 TheBanana wrote: I'm going to get really disappointed if it turns out Mycerion is not an Estonian Kenny McCormick in an orange hoodie.
I lol'd pretty hard at this. And yeah, I would be really disappointed as well.
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
lol okay kid we'll see what happens and if he loses, i'll give a big apology
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
lol okay kid we'll see what happens and if he loses, i'll give a big apology
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
My comment was just a masked "that comment makes me believe a certain someone won that match". Why so serious?
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
lol okay kid we'll see what happens and if he loses, i'll give a big apology
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
My comment was just a masked "that comment makes me believe a certain someone won that match". Why so serious?
It was a joke, until the second person. Theres so many reasons for him to want the games casted other than he just won.
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
lol okay kid we'll see what happens and if he loses, i'll give a big apology
Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
On June 28 2012 05:46 Xoronius wrote: Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
its a very small sample set, i wonder why people think these kinds of stats matter. sad truth is that most people do actually care about such useless stats, makes me sad. wish people had a basic understanding of statistics
On June 28 2012 05:46 Xoronius wrote: Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
On June 28 2012 05:46 Xoronius wrote: Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
its a very small sample set, i wonder why people think these kinds of stats matter. sad truth is that most people do actually care about such useless stats, makes me sad. wish people had a basic understanding of statistics
It's especially weird to look at the round of 8 with one zerg and don't look at round of 32 where there were 14 zergs and only 7 terrans. But I guess people in general just twist statistics until they look the way they want them to look. That's why I never trust them.
On June 28 2012 05:46 Xoronius wrote: Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
its a very small sample set, i wonder why people think these kinds of stats matter. sad truth is that most people do actually care about such useless stats, makes me sad. wish people had a basic understanding of statistics
I have a basic understanding of statistics I would assume, but you have to beat them with their own arguments. This is irrelevant in any case, even if the sample size would be bigger, because of the cross server lag. But whiny terrans have been talking about every tourney sinc the buff, so it has to be mentioned against them as well.
On June 28 2012 05:49 Choboo wrote: DBS beat Bling! so happy :D ^^
DBS already played great yesterday in EPS. Like the best games I have ever seen from him, really impressive. Lost in finals due to some stupid error. But the performance here is no fluke.
On June 28 2012 05:52 Shellshock1122 wrote: nooo! mycerion lost
lol yeah but i dont think anyone's expecting him to win a qualifier. as long as he makes ro16-8 a few times more he should qualify for the main event anyway ^^
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
lol okay kid we'll see what happens and if he loses, i'll give a big apology
On June 28 2012 05:46 Xoronius wrote: Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
its a very small sample set, i wonder why people think these kinds of stats matter. sad truth is that most people do actually care about such useless stats, makes me sad. wish people had a basic understanding of statistics
I have a basic understanding of statistics I would assume, but you have to beat them with their own arguments. This is irrelevant in any case, even if the sample size would be bigger, because of the cross server lag. But whiny terrans have been talking about every tourney sinc the buff, so it has to be mentioned against them as well.
what you are saying is to fight bad arguments with more bad arguments? why not construct something thats logically sound? do you not see how your approach just perpetuates more stupidity from terran whiners as well as anti-terran whiners?
and you dont have to tell me that there are other variables, i do realize this. but the sample size alone is enough to discredit your statements.
On June 28 2012 05:52 Shellshock1122 wrote: nooo! mycerion lost
lol yeah but i dont think anyone's expecting him to win a qualifier. as long as he makes ro16-8 a few times more he should qualify for the main event anyway ^^
Why not, he has so many deep runs so far, everything can go to his way one time for sure
On June 28 2012 05:46 Xoronius wrote: Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
its a very small sample set, i wonder why people think these kinds of stats matter. sad truth is that most people do actually care about such useless stats, makes me sad. wish people had a basic understanding of statistics
i think most ppl dont even care about statistics they just want to prove their point. which is the most common way to use statistics
On June 28 2012 05:46 Xoronius wrote: Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
its a very small sample set, i wonder why people think these kinds of stats matter. sad truth is that most people do actually care about such useless stats, makes me sad. wish people had a basic understanding of statistics
i think most ppl dont even care about statistics they just want to prove their point. which is the most common way to use statistics
On June 28 2012 05:54 Shellshock1122 wrote: I think Major has a good shot of winning it all seeing the semis
Is Major that good? dont know him at all, but i belive in EU power and that all DBS, Tod and Welmu will be able to beat him
Everyone that's watched him play in Korea has said he's pretty much korean terran level scarey. (I think artosis/LS/desrow and maybe a few others have said that)
On June 28 2012 05:46 Xoronius wrote: Btw., again just one zerg in the top 8, with three terrans being there. TvZ series in the top 32 4-2 in favor of terran atm. (I am not trying to whine here, I just want to stop the terrans from doing that as well.)
its a very small sample set, i wonder why people think these kinds of stats matter. sad truth is that most people do actually care about such useless stats, makes me sad. wish people had a basic understanding of statistics
I have a basic understanding of statistics I would assume, but you have to beat them with their own arguments. This is irrelevant in any case, even if the sample size would be bigger, because of the cross server lag. But whiny terrans have been talking about every tourney sinc the buff, so it has to be mentioned against them as well.
what you are saying is to fight bad arguments with more bad arguments? why not construct something thats logically sound? do you not see how your approach just perpetuates more stupidity from terran whiners as well as anti-terran whiners?
and you dont have to tell me that there are other variables, i do realize this. but the sample size alone is enough to discredit your statements.
It´s not about the arguing itself, of course something logically sound is more usefull in the actual discussion about balance. But my first post is not looking to say smth. about the balance, it´s more to get a little bit of revenge for the annoyment of the last weeks. Anyway, I think we both agree about the actual relevance of the "statistics" here, so let´s just watch the games from now on.
On June 28 2012 06:01 StarStruck wrote: Is Mr. Bitter at a Go Kart rally or something because everytime he turns on his microphone I hear a buzzing noise. -__-
On the one hand it is really anoying but I actually have to laugh everythime it gets louder.
On June 28 2012 06:00 VPCursed wrote: doesn't look like they're going to show ro16 or ro32.. had great games ;f hopefully I'll get another chance to break out in the scene soon
you did great! there are still 4 qualifiers, you had a tough road this time too, there were others with much easier brackets. keep working hard! Socke, Bischu, and Lowely are very nice kills.
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
lol okay kid we'll see what happens and if he loses, i'll give a big apology
On June 28 2012 05:18 VPCursed wrote: hope they cast my games vs tod ;D
Spoiler :c
omg he spoiled the fact that he played against tod
THAT MONSTER
pretty sure hes already played tod so if he said that you would assume Cursed won
theres actually zero reason to assume that. They could have been good games, close games, funny games, ect. Hell he could have lost and just been proud of the games and wanted them casted. Or he could enjoy the overreactions of everyone here who automatically assume he won.
Or he did win, we won't know for a bit
lol okay kid we'll see what happens and if he loses, i'll give a big apology
On June 28 2012 06:01 StarStruck wrote: Is Mr. Bitter at a Go Kart rally or something because everytime he turns on his microphone I hear a buzzing noise. -__-
I was thinking he's in a helicopter or something, but your idea is even funnier.
Off-topic but I really like the structure of these qualifiers. It lets the consistent players shine - mycerion/Sheth doing really well without having to have reached the ro4.
Amazed to see 2 terrans reaching the semi! Great news, Major getting there does not shock me, I've seen his stream and he makes some of the korean GM's look silly. DBS getting there is shocking, he must have been working really hard, good for him!
On June 28 2012 06:01 StarStruck wrote: Is Mr. Bitter at a Go Kart rally or something because everytime he turns on his microphone I hear a buzzing noise. -__-
quoting this so mb bitter realises when he checks tl
Congrats to Welmu but I can't help but be disappointed as a Toss player. Welmu has such a strong PvP that he always snipes strong Toss players and then gets cleaned up by the other races. Hopefully his other MUs improve so I don't have to feel conflicted in the future.
On June 28 2012 06:32 Geos13 wrote: Congrats to Welmu but I can't help but be disappointed as a Toss player. Welmu has such a strong PvP that he always snipes strong Toss players and then gets cleaned up by the other races. Hopefully his other MUs improve so I don't have to feel conflicted in the future.
Eh, Welmu's PvZ and PvT are also better than ToD's.
Is MajOr on NrG? They are a really tiny team and I haven't heard anything about him being on a team after leaving xSix months ago. Anyone know whats up?
On June 28 2012 06:35 LemonyTang wrote: I hope Bitter can fix his mic soon....
Is MajOr on NrG? They are a really tiny team and I haven't heard anything about him being on a team after leaving xSix months ago. Anyone know whats up?
NrG had a lot of players stolen by Sixjax back b4 major was on it. He also has his LighT and AnnaProsser accounts, so idk why he chose this one today lol.
On June 28 2012 06:36 blade55555 wrote: Wow major playing sick, his time in kr is definitely helping. I think he'll win this qualifier hopefully :D
hm sure he is playing that great? dont't get me wrong he is playing preatty good, but to me it looks like DBS is just playing not that great and his opening was meh.
Major has not dropped a game in these qualifiers yet. All the bo3 rounds were 2-0, and all zergs. Pretty impressive if we buy into the terran balance whine (not saying I do or not).
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
How is he underrated? I feel like he has been hyped since forever, only did not show great results so far.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Maybe thats true but the reason is definitely not a lack of skill on Major's part
Holy shit, whoever is the observer of these qualifiers, PLEASE turn on hp bars!! You clearly don't know when to show them manually and it's really not funny watching these games now,
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Yes... and? I think we all know why. The guy just said he's hoping.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Has he done anything recently? I know he's done a lot of... less than stellar things in his past. Its such a shame that he's fucked over by what he did when he was what 15/16?
On June 28 2012 06:48 Champloo wrote: Holy shit, whoever is the observer of these qualifiers, PLEASE turn on hp bars!! You clearly don't know when to show them manually and it's really not funny watching these games now,
Yeah you are so right. Turn on the healthbars. Quite important if you ask me too have that on.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Maybe thats true but the reason is definitely not a lack of skill on Major's part
yup and the reason is lack of exposure/marketability/fans w/e
sure hes kindof a douche too apparently but naniwa is still under contract afaik
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Has he done anything recently? I know he's done a lot of... less than stellar things in his past. Its such a shame that he's fucked over by what he did when he was what 15/16?
He left ROOT/got kicked out - bunch of drama Some additional drama with ONE/GoSu cause he was supposed to join them but didn't or some shit Leaves sixjax - sixjax dies a week later, people start shitting on him again for some reason Joins xSix - leaves saying he has a new team, now teamless
It's funny that people think he's bad. You can poke fun at his team-hopping and his awkward behavior but there's one thing that's certain, kid is fucking good at starcraft.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Has he done anything recently? I know he's done a lot of... less than stellar things in his past. Its such a shame that he's fucked over by what he did when he was what 15/16?
He left ROOT/got kicked out - bunch of drama Some additional drama with ONE/GoSu cause he was supposed to join them but didn't or some shit Leaves sixjax - sixjax dies a week later, people start shitting on him again for some reason Joins xSix - leaves saying he has a new team, now teamless
It's funny that people think that he's bad. You can poke fun at his team-hopping and his awkward behavior but there's one thing that's certain, kid is fucking good at starcraft.
I knew all of that stuff, the last thing I know about him is that he had been in the TSL house for a period of time and then left. I haven't heard anything bad recently
EDIT: I still remember when he was at MLG and I think Clutch asked if he wanted to say anything to his fans "I don't think I have any"
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Has he done anything recently? I know he's done a lot of... less than stellar things in his past. Its such a shame that he's fucked over by what he did when he was what 15/16?
Tbh, his SC2 history of constantly ditching teams (and not in a very graceful manner) is enough to make his potential future employers wary of the prospect. Plus, he doesn't have an endearing personality, and no major results to speak of. He'd need some very convincing tournament showings (like, qualifying for Code A at minimum) in order to override the stink surrounding him, imo.
On June 28 2012 06:56 SilSol wrote: Is it 2k cheese time or what?=_=
Its a tourney and its 7 am in korea right now. Do you really expect him to oblige inferior opponents with macro games ?
Why do you think Korean players regularly skill check foreigners with cheese builds ? LOL
Well i wasn't just referring to Major here. Yes i know it's 7am in korea right now. But it's still a bo5 and very risky to lose if your cheese fails. I don't think he want's to cheese that much to lose this final spot.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Has he done anything recently? I know he's done a lot of... less than stellar things in his past. Its such a shame that he's fucked over by what he did when he was what 15/16?
He didn't really DO anything particularly notorious. He can be a bit of a dick, and western teams tend to be a bit whiny and obsess about their "image" and "professionalism". When people talk about him on forums one could get the impression that he did god knows what in his dark, dark past. -_-
On June 28 2012 06:56 SilSol wrote: Is it 2k cheese time or what?=_=
Its a tourney and its 7 am in korea right now. Do you really expect him to oblige inferior opponents with macro games ?
Why do you think Korean players regularly skill check foreigners with cheese builds ? LOL
Well i wasn't just referring to Major here. Yes i know it's 7am in korea right now. But it's still a bo5 and very risky to lose if your cheese fails. I don't think he want's to cheese that much to lose this final spot.
Its not really risky to cheese game 1 though. Especially on Daybreak.
Either way he is playing standard this game, but he has put Welmu on edge which will keep him cautious for the rest of the series.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Has he done anything recently? I know he's done a lot of... less than stellar things in his past. Its such a shame that he's fucked over by what he did when he was what 15/16?
He left ROOT/got kicked out - bunch of drama Some additional drama with ONE/GoSu cause he was supposed to join them but didn't or some shit Leaves sixjax - sixjax dies a week later, people start shitting on him again for some reason Joins xSix - leaves saying he has a new team, now teamless
It's funny that people think that he's bad. You can poke fun at his team-hopping and his awkward behavior but there's one thing that's certain, kid is fucking good at starcraft.
I knew all of that stuff, the last thing I know about him is that he had been in the TSL house for a period of time and then left. I haven't heard anything bad recently
EDIT: I still remember when he was at MLG and I think Clutch asked if he wanted to say anything to his fans "I don't think I have any"
Are you sure? Because I saw Naniwa say that exact thing to that exact question at MLG.
Also he is not "fucked over by stuff he did when he was 15/16", but stuff he's doing at his current age.
On June 28 2012 07:06 SpiZe wrote: Can anyone explain to me the build Major is doing with the tanks, I saw it a couple of times and wondered where does it come from and why people do it
It's a korean build. Usually you only get 3 tanks and that keeps you safe against all 2 base warp-gate allins, but since Juan saw fast collosus, I'm guessing he thought it was a good idea to make a few more to supplement the vikings before switching to full bio.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Has he done anything recently? I know he's done a lot of... less than stellar things in his past. Its such a shame that he's fucked over by what he did when he was what 15/16?
He left ROOT/got kicked out - bunch of drama Some additional drama with ONE/GoSu cause he was supposed to join them but didn't or some shit Leaves sixjax - sixjax dies a week later, people start shitting on him again for some reason Joins xSix - leaves saying he has a new team, now teamless
It's funny that people think that he's bad. You can poke fun at his team-hopping and his awkward behavior but there's one thing that's certain, kid is fucking good at starcraft.
I knew all of that stuff, the last thing I know about him is that he had been in the TSL house for a period of time and then left. I haven't heard anything bad recently
EDIT: I still remember when he was at MLG and I think Clutch asked if he wanted to say anything to his fans "I don't think I have any"
Are you sure? Because I saw Naniwa say that exact thing to that exact question at MLG.
Also he is not "fucked over by stuff he did when he was 15/16", but stuff he's doing at his current age.
what has he done lol. a lot of foreign pros have done shady stuffs, major just gets more shit because he doesnt do a good job of hiding his mistakes
Well if Major had the upgrades the game would have looked so different so. Welmu played very well tho responding to every drop Major did which was very very good.
On June 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: I really want major to qualify, he's one of the most underrated terrans yet is so skilled. Hoping he makes it and finds a good stable team
There's a reason why no serious team wants him at this point, bro.
Has he done anything recently? I know he's done a lot of... less than stellar things in his past. Its such a shame that he's fucked over by what he did when he was what 15/16?
He left ROOT/got kicked out - bunch of drama Some additional drama with ONE/GoSu cause he was supposed to join them but didn't or some shit Leaves sixjax - sixjax dies a week later, people start shitting on him again for some reason Joins xSix - leaves saying he has a new team, now teamless
It's funny that people think that he's bad. You can poke fun at his team-hopping and his awkward behavior but there's one thing that's certain, kid is fucking good at starcraft.
I knew all of that stuff, the last thing I know about him is that he had been in the TSL house for a period of time and then left. I haven't heard anything bad recently
EDIT: I still remember when he was at MLG and I think Clutch asked if he wanted to say anything to his fans "I don't think I have any"
Are you sure? Because I saw Naniwa say that exact thing to that exact question at MLG.
Also he is not "fucked over by stuff he did when he was 15/16", but stuff he's doing at his current age.
what has he done lol. a lot of foreign pros have done shady stuffs, major just gets more shit because he doesnt do a good job of hiding his mistakes
I have no idea, ask the teams that doesn't want to keep him around. I doubt there's some sort of vendetta against him where the teams he's been on parts way with him for no reason at all.
iirc major said to his viewers in his stream chat that he was going to join one of the broodwar teams switching over, and that the coach/players all liked him etc etc but kespa wouldnt let him
On June 28 2012 07:23 TheBanana wrote: Pretty big meltdown in this one from Welmu. I hope he composes himself before the next game.
Yeah, I need Welmu to win this, otherwise he'll have over 160 points meaning he'll take up a spot in the top eight which could otherwise go to HuK after a few decent finishes in the next few qualifiers from HuK
Now this one looks like the opening Byun did vs HerO on Daybreak.
Hellion drop into cloak expo and tanks after.
Wonder if he'll try marine/tank too xD
On June 28 2012 07:29 ][Primarch][ wrote: how did welmu pull stalkers even though he did not see the helions?
safety?
Didn't see what he scouted (if anything) but if you know there's lone marines out on the map and you've seen a gas chances are there's probably a drop or banshee headed to your main at that kind of timing.
Man Welmu did play really really well this game. Holding off all those drops all the time and still coming out with the bigger armé. Hes playing really well here.
When he goes bio on stream he rolls through Code A-S players on KR ladder, I can understand tanks on a map like Cloud or Entombed but on Ohana? If that was equal supply in marauders he would have won ><
On June 28 2012 07:38 Obelisco wrote: No Combat shields with marine/tank against colossus and losing all the vikings lost him the game
yeah losing all those vikings wasn't good at all for Major lol. And the slow upgrades wasn't good either;[
well i guess slow upgrades were kinda compensated by killing the forges, but he wasnt even researching combat shields, my guess is that he forgot them or lifted off his tech-lab barracks before it finished
If Goody doesn't go double fact siege tanks in TvP anymore,there is a good reason noone should Also donated vikings and around 2 tanks that never got produced due to the factory being stuck. But I believe in Princess,go go proxy marauders for the final win!!!
On June 28 2012 07:40 Ertu wrote: If Goody doesn't go double fact siege tanks in TvP anymore,there is a good reason noone Also donated vikings and around 2 tanks that never got produced due to the factory being stuck. But I believe in Princess,go go proxy marauders for the final win!!!
Byun fucking STOMPED through both Protoss in his group by using 2 rax siege timings into 2 factory marine medivac timings on 2-3 bases. It seems to be all execution, idk if it was nerves or what, but especially without CS MajOr stood no chance in those engages.
On June 28 2012 07:40 Ertu wrote: If Goody doesn't go double fact siege tanks in TvP anymore,there is a good reason noone Also donated vikings and around 2 tanks that never got produced due to the factory being stuck. But I believe in Princess,go go proxy marauders for the final win!!!
Byun fucking STOMPED through both Protoss in his group by using 2 rax siege timings into 2 factory marine medivac timings on 2-3 bases. It seems to be all execution, idk if it was nerves or what, but especially without CS MajOr stood no chance in those engages.
Byun did it once vs HerO on Daybreak (the same build Major tried then)
On June 28 2012 07:40 Ertu wrote: If Goody doesn't go double fact siege tanks in TvP anymore,there is a good reason noone Also donated vikings and around 2 tanks that never got produced due to the factory being stuck. But I believe in Princess,go go proxy marauders for the final win!!!
Byun fucking STOMPED through both Protoss in his group by using 2 rax siege timings into 2 factory marine medivac timings on 2-3 bases. It seems to be all execution, idk if it was nerves or what, but especially without CS MajOr stood no chance in those engages.
That's because the byunjwa is the best player ever he can do anything he wants and win.
After the previous game I definitely wouldn't put my forges in a similar spot. Isn't it better to put them somewhere between the bases instead of risking them at the edges where Major could drop and snipe?
Yeah, when MajOr doesn't lose games with tanks this series turns pretty one sided, really like Welmu's PvP but his PvT isn't up to MajOr's macro and multitasking in standard compositions.
On June 28 2012 07:47 TheBanana wrote: After the previous game I definitely wouldn't put my forges in a similar spot. Isn't it better to put them somewhere between the bases instead of risking them at the edges where Major could drop and snipe?
Between the main and the natural is a safer spot, but almost certain to get scanned. Stuff on the edges is more vulnerable to drops, but less likely to get spotted. Guess it depends on what you care about more.
Majors viking control this series has been awful, but it is really late where he is so I can understand it. I bet he won't make those mistakes in the actual TSL ( I think he's got this game so far)
This game is pretty intense actually. Drops everywhere, good engages from both players. Welmu still holding the drops off. A lot of back and forth here. silsol like<3
On June 28 2012 07:52 blade55555 wrote: Majors viking control this series has been awful, but it is really late where he is so I can understand it. I bet he won't make those mistakes in the actual TSL ( I think he's got this game so far)
meh major is so fast he gets sloppy as weird as it sounds, he really should work on playing clean hes already faster than some top kr pros..
On June 28 2012 07:52 Shellshock1122 wrote: TvP is major's worst MU right?
Historically yes, by far lol. His TvT has always been his best, and his TvZ is very solid, even in the late game. He tends to push engagements too far in TvP just to end the game quick.
On June 28 2012 07:52 Shellshock1122 wrote: TvP is major's worst MU right?
It appears so, on an unrelated note I took another look at his statistics he's actually got a 75% win rate internationally in TvT which came as a massive shock to me (I imagine it's heavily inflated by mediocre NA terrans though).
On June 28 2012 07:52 blade55555 wrote: Majors viking control this series has been awful, but it is really late where he is so I can understand it. I bet he won't make those mistakes in the actual TSL ( I think he's got this game so far)
meh major is so fast he gets sloppy as weird as it sounds, he really should work on playing clean hes already faster than some top kr pros..
That's like saying, "oh this race car driver is really fast, except he doesn't know how to steer." -_-
On June 28 2012 07:55 ZenithM wrote: Major annihilated after being up 50 supply. He's too tired I think. You should not play TvP when you're tired as fuck ;D
Yeah it has to be it, he has made so many silly mistakes. Welmu isn't playing particular good but Major is losing the game....
On June 28 2012 07:54 Kanaz wrote: Somebody told Welmu he can't move out before it says 200/200 in the upper right corner. Lots of mistakes from major tho :/
Playing with some funday monday rules I guess. "Give away free units", "attack your own units", "display TheBest control you can", etc..
On June 28 2012 07:57 Bagi wrote: This thread reads like one long excuse from Major fanboys.
"He's so so good, but..."
What? People are essentially saying Major must be tired because it's inconceivable to make such big mistakes for a high level player... He's not "so so good" regardless, more like "so so" :D
This is really old school (For SC2) but major reminded me of tankboyprime and ogslittleboy this series, for what it's worth their harass was always excellent but when push came to shove with the big fights they screwed up and died.
On June 28 2012 07:59 kenkou wrote: I cringed when Major moved commanded his bio into chargelots near Welmu's 4th. can't come back from behind like that as terran.
Yea that was awful. I suspect he was target firing the colossi with his vikings, but had his bio selected as well.
WOW what was Welmu waiting for seriously?! He could of won that game so much earlier. Well i can understand why he sits back and doesn't want to make that much of mistakes but wtf? Well he played really well in this serie. I really thought Major was gonna win this serie but i was wrong. Gj Welmu.
Such a surprising winner with all the other names in the qualifier but these are the kinds of winners I like to see. Congratulations to Welmu and NT from Major.
And, of course, shout out to the new peoples champion mycerion for another good event.
The people shit talking Welmu because of that series are unbelievable. Have you never seen him play before? He's easily the best player in Finland (maybe Protosser) and has shown an ass load of good games in the past.
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
On June 28 2012 08:06 Dexington wrote: The people shit talking Welmu because of that series are unbelievable. Have you never seen him play before? He's easily the best player in Finland (maybe Protosser) and has shown an ass load of good games in the past.
Yeah Welmu really impressed tonight. And i think he got some skill to show actually. Protosser, Welmu, Naama some really good players.
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
cheer for me thanks ~
You still almost had it. Been a big fan since brood war. Keep working hard. Good luck !!!
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
cheer for me thanks ~
Well you have more chances. I think you will do just fine in those. glgl mate <3
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
cheer for me thanks ~
Looking forward to it
It's amazing you played from KR and steamrolled your way to the grand finals in the manner that you did.
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
We are now at the point where coming 2nd won't be enough to keep you in the top 8, so people will really have to keep winning extra points if they want to keep their placement.
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
cheer for me thanks ~
You should really play as many EU qualifiers as you can as well for the points. 2nd place gets you high, but you can't depend on it.
On June 28 2012 08:11 BathTubNZ wrote: We are now at the point where coming 2nd won't be enough to keep you in the top 8, so people will really have to keep winning extra points if they want to keep their placement.
Yes, also LaLush and DarkForce are almost certain to participate in the TSL4.
On June 28 2012 08:11 BathTubNZ wrote: We are now at the point where coming 2nd won't be enough to keep you in the top 8, so people will really have to keep winning extra points if they want to keep their placement.
Yes, also LaLush and DarkForce are almost certain to participate in the TSL4.
I just took a look at the rankings and the people already qualified. I'm getting a bit worried about the Terran representation. Our dear KR gosus need to step up and crush tomorrow :D
On June 28 2012 08:14 ZenithM wrote: Thanks for the replays
I just took a look at the rankings and the people already qualified. I'm getting a bit worried about the Terran representation. Our dear KR gosus need to step up and crush tomorrow :D
4 toss/3 zerg/3 terran. so far looking pretty even.
On June 28 2012 08:14 ZenithM wrote: Thanks for the replays
I just took a look at the rankings and the people already qualified. I'm getting a bit worried about the Terran representation. Our dear KR gosus need to step up and crush tomorrow :D
4 toss/3 zerg/3 terran. so far looking pretty even.
On June 28 2012 08:14 ZenithM wrote: Thanks for the replays
I just took a look at the rankings and the people already qualified. I'm getting a bit worried about the Terran representation. Our dear KR gosus need to step up and crush tomorrow :D
4 toss/3 zerg/3 terran. so far looking pretty even.
I was looking more at the point rankings, but I guess there is still time.
On June 28 2012 08:14 ZenithM wrote: Thanks for the replays
I just took a look at the rankings and the people already qualified. I'm getting a bit worried about the Terran representation. Our dear KR gosus need to step up and crush tomorrow :D
4 toss/3 zerg/3 terran. so far looking pretty even.
If you add points leaders it's:
10 zergs, 11-12 protoss, and 3-4 terran plus 7 more direct winners.
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
cheer for me thanks ~
I was rooting for you mate. You still played very well despite the circumstances. Looking forward to seeing you making it deep in tournaments again!
Sad for Major, I really would've granted him the tsl4 qualification. But where would the world be, if a EU player allows a player from the NA server to win the open TSL 4 qualifiers? ;-)
The second place is great nonetheless for Major. With the 100 points under his belt, he still has a realistic chance to make it. And incredible performance by Welmu considering how little known he was before!
Wooot! Grats Welmu! That significantly helps the chances of anyone just below the top 8. Having a 160+ point player in the top eight woulda been tough.
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
cheer for me thanks ~
I was cheering for you, so please keep trying. You forgot combat shields, you went too long without upgrades, your viking control was terrible, your drops didn't do enough and you didn't stop even when Welmu was well prepared, and your banshee control wasn't great either. What happened?, that's not the Major I know. Lag is one thing but you played like you haven't slept in a week.
Please keep trying and we'll keep cheering you on.
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
cheer for me thanks ~
Nice run though, didnt drop a game until the finals. Hope you do well in the next one!
Happy for Welmu though, I watched him lose to ret in rather heartbreaking fashion a couple of qualifiers ago in a series he should've won, afterwords he said nvm, I'll win the next one, and he kinda did, gratz!
On June 28 2012 08:06 Dexington wrote: The people shit talking Welmu because of that series are unbelievable. Have you never seen him play before? He's easily the best player in Finland (maybe Protosser) and has shown an ass load of good games in the past.
On June 28 2012 08:34 plasmidghost wrote: I wonder if MajOr/WinDy/NoNge/Kitty/Terran/CuteAngel/Princess/Britney/Memory will be able to make it into the tournament.
On June 28 2012 08:06 Dexington wrote: The people shit talking Welmu because of that series are unbelievable. Have you never seen him play before? He's easily the best player in Finland (maybe Protosser) and has shown an ass load of good games in the past.
Edit: And don't give me any elfi bull crap
Elfi... Have you seen his friggin' pvp? :D
Is it really that good though? He seems to have 4 gate builds down to millisecond perfection, (which isn't exactly inspiring to watch) and whenever he tries anything else he just he just seems distinctly average. Admittedly I haven't really seen anything from him since winter 2011 so maybe he's changed it up since that. Last game I saw him play was his last game for Acer in the IPL:TAC, that was a PvP and he was totally bested.
On June 28 2012 08:34 plasmidghost wrote: I wonder if MajOr/WinDy/NoNge/Kitty/Terran/CuteAngel/Princess/Britney/Memory will be able to make it into the tournament.
On June 28 2012 08:34 plasmidghost wrote: I wonder if MajOr/WinDy/NoNge/Kitty/Terran/CuteAngel/Princess/Britney/Memory will be able to make it into the tournament.
half of these are broodwar pros
all of those are juan
They are all his aliases and they all come from BW pros
Cool for Welmu but bad for the SC2 scene whenever a shady organization like "Eclypsia" gets one of their players into a tournament, that actually gets some attention.
Nice, a player I haven't heard much about. Grats to Welmu. Hoping he'll get his chance to shine in the tourny, its fun to see fresh players emerging in the scene.
On June 28 2012 08:34 plasmidghost wrote: I wonder if MajOr/WinDy/NoNge/Kitty/Terran/CuteAngel/Princess/Britney/Memory will be able to make it into the tournament.
half of these are broodwar pros
all of those are juan
They are all his aliases and they all come from BW pros
On June 28 2012 08:07 MajOr wrote: im so sorry i played so god awful i dont mind playing tvt / tvz with delay but tvp i dont like it thats why i tried to finish games really quickly.
im sorry to my fans , i will try to qualify in the next NA qualifer
cheer for me thanks ~
You should really play as many EU qualifiers as you can as well for the points. 2nd place gets you high, but you can't depend on it.
yeah please do, you're pretty capable of winning a Qualifier, but getting high a couple of times won't hurt you =)
I missed the games, so I'm still waiting for the VODs to come
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