On August 12 2012 10:09 Capped wrote:
Taeja is undoubtly the best player on liquid atm (or just today / recently even) but saying this is taeja's win is wrong.

Have you not seen him speak to the TL players after every game? he immediately leaves his seat to speak to his team and take advice / criticism from them.

Do you think taeja would have won had he played from game one of the 2nd b09? sure, TL were just "cannon fodder" in your eyes but zenio took a game which everyone bet against, Hero hasnt even played, who is probably their 2nd best bet at winning this thing. They put themselves in the line of fire so taeja could get the much needed rest so he could come out and wreck faces again, his exhaustion is showing with the younghwa game. (epic micro btfw WAOW) how do you think he will fair now? theres a reason he was sent out 4th this time with Hero as backup.

Teamliquid are supporting him every step of the way, wether it be inspirational support, tactics / strategy advice / cannon foddering so he can have more time to recover, whatever. Its a team effort.

In all team games, you have a star player, but they cant win it alone (most of the time) - for example my FPS team has a fucking beast of a sniper, but he cant win it without the rusher calling locations, the team locking locations down, taking players out and allowing him to scout regular locations and take them out too. Alone, he would be located and fucked in the butthole, its much the same for taeja IMO.

lets address this.

He takes advice / criticism from them? It could be or it could just be congrates/generic messages about you can do it etc. that means just not much.Do I think taeja would have won had he played from game on of the 2nd BO9? So far he is showing pretty well that he could of. Hero is their 2nd best bet, but that is pretty much it with maybe zenio/ret who could take a game (which zenio did, but honestly would have rather seen taeja from the start).

Taeja is showing exhaustion when he is displaying great micro still doesn't make much sense when I havn't really seen much exhaustion from korean players like ever or really even just sc2 pros. They should be used to playing a ton of games. Taeja seemed to not even need to recover, and he should have even recovered during all the downtime. There is no way in hell you can compare a FPS to a RTS. I mean a competitive FPS is a team game while RTS is a single game, but this tournament just has a team aspect. How was the rest of the team not just cannon folder when taeja/hero/maybe zenio are only really taking games?

last thing: I hate everyone who is saying that team liquid is the best FOREIGN team. It would be like EG being the best FOREIGN team with only puma/jyp getting results..it just makes no sense for me.

why would you hate it?
that feeling and expression of saying something's the best is similar to when say...
you're out playing volleyball, or whichever sport you enjoy best (including starcraft) and you just happen to say, 'this game is the best'.
or if you're hanging by a thread over a cliff and a friend manages to catch you by the very edge of his grasp, pulling you to safety... once again you say, 'you're the best, man!' (in this case he is the best though, lol)

it's obvious and opinion bundled by a bunch of feelings/emotions
a lot of people would not argue that EG is the best FOREIGNNNN team because actually, team liquid is :DDDD

obvious and opinion? what..

I hate people saying TL is the best foreign team when only the koreans are putting up results. Thats its there is nothing more to it. If ret/haypro/nony/sheth were winning games for this finals or in the team league then it would be a team effect, but its really just ret/haypro/nony/sheth play then lose then taeja cleans everyone up.

While its a korean winning the games yes, and its unlikely its possible without him, its still a team effort.

(Self quote in case missed)

On August 12 2012 10:28 Capped wrote:
I dont believe i mentioned the forgien element once. i said about hero and zenio / ret for sure though.

You dont think congratulatory messages alone could have an effect on taeja? you dont think 8 hard fought live high-stress tournament wins in a row would take a toll? Im also confused.

Yes his micro at the end of that game was impressive, but lets not confuse it for what it was - a desperation move that worked. Literally eveyrone exclaimed the game was over, the liquid team had their heads in their hands. Taeja realised he had lost it because younghwa had outplayed him with his decision making and plays. (Not talking mechanics here) and tried desperately to win due to the stress he was under, and it paid off. He realises he' s the best hope of liquid coming away with this.

While taejas mechanics and speed is still top notch, mentally he's tired and its showing, his decision making is becoming flawed, his plays are sloppy. Its happening more and more, this isnt just ladder grinding, this is a high profile tournament with hopes riding almost solely on him. Its a fucking huge pressure.

Without the rest between Bo9's, would he have been mentally prepared to take down his opponents?

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

August 12 2012 01:35 GMT

#7793

Can anyone think of names that would be hilarious on a business card?

MCDayC

United Kingdom14464 Posts

August 12 2012 01:35 GMT

#7794

On August 12 2012 10:34 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

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I thought it was good, but not great.

but what about hype?!

Eufouria

United Kingdom4425 Posts

August 12 2012 01:35 GMT

#7795

To take away from the action a bit, what do people think of this map pick? Personally I would have wanted to play Nestea on Atlantis spaceship, maybe bring him out first and save Seed for last.

JWD

United States12607 Posts

August 12 2012 01:35 GMT

#7796

On August 12 2012 10:34 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

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I thought it was good, but not great.

I meant just the thought behind it; realizing that scouting was more useful than continuing to pursue the attack at the nat