On June 14 2012 02:54 Greggle wrote:
MVP cheesed his way to victory not only in the finals, but also on his way there, beating Naniwa almost exclusively with cheese.

Not even creative or interesting cheese like MMA's crazy siege tank rush he used against MVP in the October (I might be wrong about which tournament this was) finals, or that crazy barracks wall Boxer used way back in the day, just boring proxy raxes.

Personally, I hope he goes the way of Hyperdub ;p

Really, the only person I like in this group is Line. Zenex fighting!

He cheesed his way to the finals? I can only count 3-4 games that he cheesed from MVP last season. He also beated Naniwa with standard timing push in the first game. He played 6 standard games against Squirtle too. MMA is even more cheesy than MVP and creative or not cheese is still cheese. If you win with it then it's good strat if you don't then it's embarassing. MVP won with it so it's good just like what Keen did today.

His performance overall last season was far from the performance that earned him so many fans. A large amount of the population had even concluded from the way he played that he was unable to deal with his wrist and was just trying to end games quickly and without effort rather than even attempt to put on a good show. Regardless of whether this reasoning is true or not you can look at the LR threads and see how poor of a show he put on.

Yeah, MMA is cheesier, but he innovates and puts on a great show. Yes, I'll be rooting for him in Code A, I'm sure as MVP fans you guys know what I'm going through ;p

Yes, his performance was not the best, but hey - he still won the whole thing. Not only is it a hughe achievement, but also the best show one could possibly hope for.

Eh, I had hoped for a real game 7. Whatever, he played to win, doesn't mean anyone has to like him, I'm not one of the people that does.

Posts like this make make me wonder if you even play starcraft.

I want you to tell me one pro, ONE pro that says game 7 wasn't a real game.

You won't find any. Pros play to win, not to your damn arbitrary rules of what is a real game and what isn't. Jesus christ indeed.

I'm not a pro Starcraft player, I go to school and don't have time to get good enough. Back when I still had time I was high diamond before masters existed. However I'm speaking from a spectator perspective. I know MVP is playing just to progress, whatever, that's fine. If you're just want to watch someone win, MVP is a great player to follow. I however do not enjoy his play. We prefer different players, that's how things work. Sorry I don't follow your arbitrary rules of who to like.

Have a beer, relax.

ch33psh33p

7650 Posts

June 14 2012 00:11 GMT

#84

On June 14 2012 09:06 Greggle wrote:

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On June 14 2012 07:40 ch33psh33p wrote:

On June 14 2012 06:32 Greggle wrote:

On June 14 2012 06:12 ES.Genie wrote:

On June 14 2012 05:01 Greggle wrote:

On June 14 2012 03:06 Wildmoon wrote:

Yes, his performance was not the best, but hey - he still won the whole thing. Not only is it a hughe achievement, but also the best show one could possibly hope for.

Eh, I had hoped for a real game 7. Whatever, he played to win, doesn't mean anyone has to like him, I'm not one of the people that does.

Uhm, I never said anything about liking his play style, or about you liking his play style, or telling you what who to like.

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Greggle

United States1131 Posts

June 14 2012 00:23 GMT

#85

You seemed pretty upset about me not liking the way he played game 7 and said my perspective was based on arbitrary rules. Well arbitrary rules are what opinions are based on, hence disagreements. Not much you can do, so never mind arguing about it, I've made my point.

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

June 14 2012 00:26 GMT

#86

It's only a real game if your favorite player wins.

RUS RO DAH!!!

United States277 Posts

June 14 2012 00:27 GMT

#87

I hope line and genius makes it through. A little tired of seeing mvp win everything.

Derez

Netherlands6068 Posts

June 14 2012 00:39 GMT

#88

It's time for the 5th title. This time in the face of supposed zerg op-ness. Finals versus DRG with a game 7 11/11 proxy rax.

Would be the best season ever.

bLecK

Australia625 Posts

June 14 2012 00:49 GMT

#89

MVP 5 time champion hopefully, Would be cool to see if Genius can make another finals run.

AbuntuGuntu

United States1972 Posts

June 14 2012 01:40 GMT

#90

voted MVP/Genius, hoping for MVP/Happy.

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

June 14 2012 01:54 GMT

#91

On June 14 2012 09:26 Dodgin wrote:
It's only a real game if your favorite player wins.

Exactly.

catplanetcatplanet

3836 Posts

June 14 2012 02:23 GMT

#92

I WANT to see something like this, not that it'll happen.

Mvp > SuHoShin
Happy < Genius
Mvp < Genius
SuHoShin > Happy
SuHoShin > Mvp

Ghoststrikes

Canada1356 Posts

June 14 2012 02:39 GMT

#93

The 2 IM terrans to go through, IM owning code S, while getting owned in GSTL.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

June 14 2012 02:41 GMT

#94

race balance so far in ro16 is not bad considering the groups haha. line + a terran to advance for the best outcome in terms of balance.

glzElectromaster

Japan2474 Posts

June 14 2012 02:54 GMT

#95

Cheese at that level is hard to pull off. I hope you guys realize that. It's a surprise strategy. Squirtle did a good job holding it, but he lost his lead by being overconfident. Although I'd personally hate to get 11/11'ed, watching that game was really suspenseful and exciting. IDK why you guys called that game boring...Mvp didn't steamroll Squirtle.

Also, timing push ≠ cheese

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

June 14 2012 04:09 GMT

#96

ah man, TSL4 KR qualifier also on at the same time, gonna be difficult to keep track of both! aaah so epic

Irave

United States9965 Posts

June 14 2012 04:18 GMT

#97

Would love to see both IM terrans advance.

BathTubNZ

New Zealand2556 Posts

June 14 2012 04:21 GMT

#98

These groups are so ridiculously hard, but I think Mvp and Happy have this.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

June 14 2012 04:38 GMT

#99

i wonder what team genius plays under tonight

Wildmoon

Thailand4189 Posts

June 14 2012 04:41 GMT

#100

On June 14 2012 09:23 Greggle wrote:
You seemed pretty upset about me not liking the way he played game 7 and said my perspective was based on arbitrary rules. Well arbitrary rules are what opinions are based on, hence disagreements. Not much you can do, so never mind arguing about it, I've made my point.

People are upset not because you don't like MVP but you downplayed his success by saying something like "cheesed his way to win GSL". It's not even true. He just mixed in some cheese which is part of strategy. Maybe you didn't watch MVP vs Leenock last season? It's one of the most epic TvZ ever.