EPT[Over] TSL4 Q1 - EU/NA #1 - Page 37
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 13 2012 16:49 Malaz wrote: Gratz to Daisy, but I really would have hoped for a foreigner to win the foreigner qualifier. TSL with 90% Koreans won't be half as much fun. Lots of foreigners should make it in in the end, there's not exactly an unlimited supply of Korean players living in NA/EU that are good enough to qualify. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On June 13 2012 16:51 Dodgin wrote: Lots of foreigners should make it in in the end, there's not exactly an unlimited supply of Korean players living in NA/EU that are good enough to qualify. Yeah but how should the foreign scene support itself if only the top 5 foreigners have the chance to win money. (At MLG just the top 3 foreigners) How do you think the Korean scene would look like if they were just 10 pros instead of 200? I mean the reason why we convinced tournaments to pay out pricemoney more equally to the top 16/32 was to establish a larger scene of pros in our countries. Like this we still just support the Koreans, that is not very susainable imo. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:12 marcesr wrote: Yeah but how should the foreign scene support itself if only the top 5 foreigners have the chance to win money. (At MLG just the top 3 foreigners) How do you think the Korean scene would look like if they were just 10 pros instead of 200? I mean the reason why we convinced tournaments to pay out pricemoney more equally to the top 16/32 was to establish a larger scene of pros in our countries. Like this we still just support the Koreans, that is not very susainable imo. What would your solution be then, force Korean born gamers living in NA/EU to play in the KR qualifiers even though they are living in another country? They are not living in Korean pro houses so they don't have any better conditions than anyone else trying to qualify. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:12 marcesr wrote: Yeah but how should the foreign scene support itself if only the top 5 foreigners have the chance to win money. (At MLG just the top 3 foreigners) How do you think the Korean scene would look like if they were just 10 pros instead of 200? I mean the reason why we convinced tournaments to pay out pricemoney more equally to the top 16/32 was to establish a larger scene of pros in our countries. Like this we still just support the Koreans, that is not very susainable imo. You say we support the Koreans, I say we support the better players. Daisy's not even living in a Korean practice environment right now. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:12 marcesr wrote: Yeah but how should the foreign scene support itself if only the top 5 foreigners have the chance to win money. (At MLG just the top 3 foreigners) How do you think the Korean scene would look like if they were just 10 pros instead of 200? I mean the reason why we convinced tournaments to pay out pricemoney more equally to the top 16/32 was to establish a larger scene of pros in our countries. Like this we still just support the Koreans, that is not very susainable imo. Maybe foreigners, like always, should not rely on easy money from tournaments because good players can't afford to come to them. Honestly that's always how I've seen it. All sports reward good players with the most sustainable living. Not many sports can just have sustainability for hundreds of players off prize money alone. If the Korean pro scene was 10 people instead of 200 then there wouldn't be a Korean pro scene. Their location has nothing to do with it, it's their commitment and organisation that still surpasses most, if not all, international teams. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:12 marcesr wrote: Yeah but how should the foreign scene support itself if only the top 5 foreigners have the chance to win money. (At MLG just the top 3 foreigners) How do you think the Korean scene would look like if they were just 10 pros instead of 200? I mean the reason why we convinced tournaments to pay out pricemoney more equally to the top 16/32 was to establish a larger scene of pros in our countries. Like this we still just support the Koreans, that is not very susainable imo. You realise most pro's live off their salary not winnings? wah wah wah the guys who practice more are winning more. What a tragedy. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:18 Dodgin wrote: What would your solution be then, force Korean born gamers living in NA/EU to play in the KR qualifiers even though they are living in another country? They are not living in Korean pro houses so they don't have any better conditions than anyone else trying to qualify. What you say is true for people like Select and bigs, not for Violet or Daisy. Do I really need to explain the difference? | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
i kinda got used to NA being an easy way in for "foreign" koreans, but this is just getting uninteresting to watch | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:19 marcesr wrote: What you say is true for people like Select and bigs, not for Violet or Daisy. Do I really need to explain the difference? So you don't have a solution, okay. Of course I know the difference, some were pro-gamers in Korean houses in the past and others were not. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:19 marcesr wrote: What you say is true for people like Select and bigs, not for Violet or Daisy. Do I really need to explain the difference? Artist, Phoenix, Real all moved abroad, but they're not really doing well. I don't really see what's the problem with Koreans moving abroad for a better opportunity. This sort of mentality is really harmful if we're going to get better games. Foreigners should learn to compete better so that they can keep the Koreans in Korea. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On June 13 2012 19:15 pdd wrote: Artist, Phoenix, Real all moved abroad, but they're not really doing well. I don't really see what's the problem with Koreans moving abroad for a better opportunity. This sort of mentality is really harmful if we're going to get better games. Foreigners should learn to compete better so that they can keep the Koreans in Korea. How to you expect foreigners to suddenly "learn" to compete better? That needs infrastructure, incentives for a lot of people to try really hard and a larger fanbase. But where should that come from if more and more money from small online cups like Playhem to TSL to MLG is "invested" in Korean players. Even the teams start to pick up more and more Koreans. We are developing towards a situation where its pointless to be a wester progamer unless you are top 10 of your continent. This will make Koreans happy, free money over and over again, but this wont make SC2 big anywhere outside of Korea. And in regard of the TSL qualifier situation. Players who have been living in EU or NA for a long time because of studying or whatever reason are of course allowed to play, but players who came over 3 month ago from a Korean progaming house because they were too bad for GSL just to farm EU/NA events should not be allowed to play. | ||
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:12 marcesr wrote: Yeah but how should the foreign scene support itself if only the top 5 foreigners have the chance to win money. (At MLG just the top 3 foreigners) How do you think the Korean scene would look like if they were just 10 pros instead of 200? I mean the reason why we convinced tournaments to pay out pricemoney more equally to the top 16/32 was to establish a larger scene of pros in our countries. Like this we still just support the Koreans, that is not very susainable imo. How do only the top 5 foreigners have a chance to win money? They just ran a qualifier. I am pretty sure the top 1024 or whatever foreigners just had a chance. Just because they didn't make it doesn't mean they didn't have a chance. | ||
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Jealous
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Chickenlegs
Sweden451 Posts
On June 13 2012 19:43 marcesr wrote: How to you expect foreigners to suddenly "learn" to compete better? That needs infrastructure, incentives for a lot of people to try really hard and a larger fanbase. But where should that come from if more and more money from small online cups like Playhem to TSL to MLG is "invested" in Korean players. Even the teams start to pick up more and more Koreans. We are developing towards a situation where its pointless to be a wester progamer unless you are top 10 of your continent. This will make Koreans happy, free money over and over again, but this wont make SC2 big anywhere outside of Korea. And in regard of the TSL qualifier situation. Players who have been living in EU or NA for a long time because of studying or whatever reason are of course allowed to play, but players who came over 3 month ago from a Korean progaming house because they were too bad for GSL just to farm EU/NA events should not be allowed to play. Do you honestly think these koreans moved to the US/EU to be eligable to play in tournaments and win money? The majority moved to study abroad and being able to play in touranaments in EU/US is just a bonus. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
Come on TL staff. At least show us that you care for TSL4. | ||
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