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On May 29 2012 21:09 6BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 19:34 SealOverseer wrote:
Kind of embarrassing not to 5-0 a team like ZeNEX. I gotta say this post got a laugh out of me, because with TaeJa missing ZeNEX has the stronger team (in Korea)
I don't agree with the other guy but i can't agree with you also, how can you say this? and based on what?
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On May 29 2012 21:09 Embir wrote:
Liquid can choose one of two paths: became competitive SC2 team, or remain big family of young guys that like to play SC2. If they want to choose the first path they need to change their rooster quickly.
The problem is that is pretty much what defines Team Liquid. A family-like, close-knit small team of friends. It's also what a lot of the more casual (and thus quite numerous) community wants to see: a personable, community-friendly foreigner team that's fighting against the Korean elites on their own turf. I don't think many people would be happy if Liquid transformed into a collective of more or less faceless practice machines, much like FXO did. And in the end the community is all that matters, because without community no viewers, no viewers no ESPORTS etc.
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On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL.
ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea.
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On May 29 2012 21:18 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:12 Embir wrote:On May 29 2012 21:10 GreyKnight wrote:On May 29 2012 21:09 Embir wrote:On May 29 2012 20:59 Harrad wrote:On May 29 2012 20:56 Champloo wrote:
I don't even know why Liquid puts money into sending players like Haypro, Jinro and TLO to Korea. I don't think any of them will qualify for Code A ever and I would be suprised if they could take a game off of anyone in the GSTL (maybe TLO could snipe a terran, but that's it).
Will Taeja be there for their next match? Well TLO almost qualified, lost 1-2 in the finals, so please inform yourself before making such harsh judgments. Jinro and Haypro are IMO good players, but not great, and just good is simply not enough against the brutal Korean competition. SO what that TLO almost qualified? Remember Cyrix? (the awful player that Ret played against in GSL long time ago), he actually qualified for Code A, but fact remains still that he was awful player nad vanished quickly. I dont hate TLO or anything - I am sorry to say that because guy was actually fun to watch during beta, but gameplay level is still increasing and in this new enviroment TLO skills are not up to par. The same holds true for Jinro and HayprO. Liquid can choose one of two paths: became competitive SC2 team, or remain big family of young guys that like to play SC2. If they want to choose the first path they need to change their rooster quickly. no, but TLO played really well. if someone qualfiies for code A by proxy 2 gating every game and winning vs someone qualifying for code a through long intense macro games who do you think is more impressive? He didnt play well enough, because he didn't qualified. Period. True, the same is true for Puma. Another unskilled player that will never qualify for code A. Or maybe not qualifying for code A has a lot to do with luck as well as skill.
Well in case of Puma, hypothesis of luck is backed up by his recent achievements. I give you that.
So tell me, what in the last year TLO achieved, what big tournaments he won?
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OH SNAP! Grats to Life! wow, can't wait to see the VODs.
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On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa
Add life, losira and seal to the list of top ZvTers and ByuL is not even looking like top 10...
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Is Jinro still playing League of Legends with HuK all day because that was just embarrassing.
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On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa
awww....just waiting for your tears after TSL lost to fnatic 
I know how much u love aLive ever since he left TSL...hrhrhr xD
But TSL should really fear fnatic, they have the perfect answer on their players.
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ByuL can sniper Polt too.
Cant wait for that match.
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On May 29 2012 21:32 Korelle wrote:
Is Jinro still playing League of Legends with HuK all day because that was just embarrassing.
What is embarrassing is people who are not professionals thinking they know what the professionals should and shouldn't do with their spare time.
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On May 29 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa Add life, losira and seal to the list of top ZvTers and ByuL is not even looking like top 10...
u have seen too less of ByuL.....
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Hmm didnt realize they're playing all of group A in one week. TL hasn't much time.
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On May 29 2012 21:36 ZeroSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa Add life, losira and seal to the list of top ZvTers and ByuL is not even looking like top 10... u have seen too less of ByuL.....
he's played less than ten ZvT... lol
On May 29 2012 21:32 ZeroSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa awww....just waiting for your tears after TSL lost to fnatic I know how much u love aLive ever since he left TSL...hrhrhr xD But TSL should really fear fnatic, they have the perfect answer on their players. Symbol <<< Oz (Oz 4-2 and 2-0 recently) Polt <<< aLive (aLive 2-1 @ IPL4)ByuL can sniper Polt too. Cant wait for that match.
lol 2-1 is <<< now? hahah
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Well, that's unfortunate for Liquid. I wonder how it could have gone if Taeja had been fielded though, and not gone to RBL. The All-kill format is very momentum based, and I think Taeja should have been able to beat Life, and thus kill Zenex's momentum.
Hopefully Liquid can also get Ret and Sheth to come in for the next match against NSH. No team can compete effectively in the GSTL if they are missing 3 of their top players.
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I liked Life's play in his game against Hero. Super-greedy, but bearing in mind two things, Hero who isn't known for being aggressive early; and he wouldn't be expecting to win against Hero playing standard on entombed valley anyway. So if he got punished, it was worth a try, but not getting punished gave him that massive economy lead
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On May 29 2012 21:24 Harrad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:09 Embir wrote:
Liquid can choose one of two paths: became competitive SC2 team, or remain big family of young guys that like to play SC2. If they want to choose the first path they need to change their rooster quickly. The problem is that is pretty much what defines Team Liquid. A family-like, close-knit small team of friends. It's also what a lot of the more casual (and thus quite numerous) community wants to see: a personable, community-friendly foreigner team that's fighting against the Korean elites on their own turf. I don't think many people would be happy if Liquid transformed into a collective of more or less faceless practice machines, much like FXO did. And in the end the community is all that matters, because without community no viewers, no viewers no ESPORTS etc.
I guess you are right, but it raises a question why they even bother?
As of now it all looks like half assed attempt. They hired Koreans, they started team house in Korea, they send their players there. If someone tries that hard, one should commited completely - otherwise it is wasting of opportunities and resources.
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On May 29 2012 21:39 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:36 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa Add life, losira and seal to the list of top ZvTers and ByuL is not even looking like top 10... u have seen too less of ByuL..... he's played less than ten ZvT... lol Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:32 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa awww....just waiting for your tears after TSL lost to fnatic I know how much u love aLive ever since he left TSL...hrhrhr xD But TSL should really fear fnatic, they have the perfect answer on their players. Symbol <<< Oz (Oz 4-2 and 2-0 recently) Polt <<< aLive (aLive 2-1 @ IPL4)ByuL can sniper Polt too. Cant wait for that match. lol 2-1 is <<< now? hahah
Dont feed the troll, optertown.
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On May 29 2012 21:39 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:36 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa Add life, losira and seal to the list of top ZvTers and ByuL is not even looking like top 10... u have seen too less of ByuL..... he's played less than ten ZvT... lol Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:32 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:25 dragonborn wrote:On May 29 2012 21:16 ZeroSC2 wrote:On May 29 2012 21:12 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 21:02 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:43 s3rp wrote:On May 29 2012 20:42 opterown wrote:On May 29 2012 20:37 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Time to start support fnatic for a change.
They are the only foreign team with a decent chance to go at least through first groupstage. fnatic is no more a foreign team than FXO korea is At least they have 2 foreign players on the team. who will contribute likely jack all to be completely honest...maybe a single win here and there, but will be sparse Fnatic only has two standouts as well in Oz and Alive though. The other Koreans aren't much ( if at all ) better than ToD or Nightend. uhm, ByuL is one of the up and coming Zergs, probably Top 5 ZvT in Korea, excellent Sniper and very strong Kr GM position. Moon on LAN cant be underestimated either, he did beat Bomber, Naniwa, MC, Mvp etc... I believe Fnatic has WAY better chances than Liquid in the GSTL. Well we will have to wait and see for their match vs TSL. ByuL is a good player but i dont think his ZvT top 5 in Korea. DongRaeGu Leenock Symbol NesTea Curious BBoongBBoong CoCa awww....just waiting for your tears after TSL lost to fnatic I know how much u love aLive ever since he left TSL...hrhrhr xD But TSL should really fear fnatic, they have the perfect answer on their players. Symbol <<< Oz (Oz 4-2 and 2-0 recently) Polt <<< aLive (aLive 2-1 @ IPL4)ByuL can sniper Polt too. Cant wait for that match. lol 2-1 is <<< now? hahah
you know this ....
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this....kind of....
.....TSL and fnatic rivalry ...+ Show Spoiler +
....and between dragonborn and me...
+ Show Spoiler +dragonborn hates me and i love him too
Iam just throwing some more gasoline in the fire....because the GSTL will be burning once this epic rivalry unleash on the stage.
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On May 29 2012 21:20 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 21:14 mcc wrote:On May 29 2012 20:44 FakeDeath wrote:
It was pretty funny to see the voting results was favouring TL 77.3% and Zenex 22.7%.eventhough zenex was the clear favourite. So much TL fandom this time around. Really a favourite ? Without Taeja they were like 50/50 or Zenex just a slight favourite, with Taeja TL would be a slight favourite. Or did you forget how many players of TL were in Ro8 of GSL or in code S recently and how many Zenex had/has there ? TL has more imbalanced team with some heavyweights and some much weaker players, whereas Zenex has more balanced one. But to say Zenex was clear favourite is as misguided as saying TL is clear favourite. Without Taeja, I would say ZeNex are big favorites. Zenio hasn't been doing the best lately and is hovering around Code A~ish level. Jinro had to take on coaching duties and wasn't at his best. Haypro didn't even try to qualify for Code A, so I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't in the best shape. That leaves you with TLO and Hero. Both are great players, but you can't expect them to carry. ZeNex just has a ridiculously deep line-up. The team could be considered the best at actually developing talent. Life, Harrier, and Xtreme were all coming off qualifying for Code A and Line just got into Code S. That isn't even mentioning Avenge and a few others who were inches away from qualifying for Code A this season. ZeNex last season was a bridge between the Old ZeNex of Coca, Byun, Puzzle and the New ZeNex with their new stars. If they can keep Life, Harrier, Xtreme, etc., then they will become one of the best teams in Korea. They're all pretty inexperienced, but if they can get some confidence, don't be shocked if they make a run. Their 2nd place during the KSL wasn't a fluke.
I would not be shocked, they are good.
But I am not convinced as what I saw from Zenex players apart from Life makes them nearly as likely to be all-killed by Hero as Life all-killing TL. My opinion on Zenio would be similar to yours if he did not have the strange ability to win against the odds and even though his play seems "ugly" it is strangely working.
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its not like TL hasn't been irrelevant in competitive starcraft for ages...
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