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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#241
On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though.


Some of them are high masters and grandmasters which actually makes them better than "mid-tier foreigners."
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#242
On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though.


lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking



When has Incontrol been mid-tier? I love the guy, but he's not midtier

I'd say Mid-tier might be players like HasuObs, BratOk, etc (chose them off the top of my head)
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#243
On May 21 2012 15:30 jazzyjazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:29 SniXSniPe wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though.


These guys are all high masters+ on Korea.

They are already capable of playing the "mid-class" foreigners and winning.


Plus, Lizzy (P) of KT played really well yesterday and is rumored to be in GM league in Korea, he certainly played that way too.


i've heard fxoboss say that he was switched from kt to nshoseo, and then back to kt again. i'd say he's the best of the bunch atm.
UTL_Unlimited
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Korea (South)353 Posts
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#244
On May 21 2012 15:30 Griffith` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:27 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
For people who are watching the SC1 progamers and are thinking they are mid masters:
yes. yes they are. You can see that their mechanics and reaction times are AMAZING but their game sense is almost nonexistent, which is what makes progamers progamers.

So don't expect SICK games until season 3.


get the fuck out that was an amazing TvT


?? Skyhigh did amazing with his control and made 2 decisions that changed the game to a favorable situation but I think my point kinda stood...
Sea made the bad decision making with sending his 2 medivacs empty while the rest of the units walked.
He sent his SCVs in too early before the actual attack units could come through.
So...I don't get it.
Need to write more things...
Deleted User 123474
Profile Joined November 2010
292 Posts
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#245
Exciting match! I swear, I would have failed that bust-out that Skyhigh pulled off. After that, though, I think Sea played slightly poorly. He should have taken the middle, I think, and just held it with his superior tank count. With his earlier 3 orbitals, he could have then kept up with the upgrades and slowly edged out Skyhigh.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#246
On May 21 2012 15:30 jazzyjazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:29 SniXSniPe wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though.


These guys are all high masters+ on Korea.

They are already capable of playing the "mid-class" foreigners and winning.


Plus, Lizzy (P) of KT played really well yesterday and is rumored to be in GM league in Korea, he certainly played that way too.


Lizzy (P) is also rumored to be ex-NSHoseo player too, if I remember it correctly from somewhere I read in TL.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#247
SEA wasn't bad, but he doesn't have much experience with the engagements you can see. Running his marines when he got dropped from this angle was a suicide, but he had enough to defend in theory.
Nibbler89
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 06:37:30
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#248
On May 21 2012 15:28 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Skyhigh with the "what? I failed 1-1-1? Zero fucks given".
Still steamrolls.

Sea T.T Please get out of your slumpp

It wasn't really a failed 1-1-1. It's a pretty common build to go fast banshee to kill some scv / marine while getting your own expo up. If you noticed he cut marine / hellion to get cc not that much later and moved rax to banshee for stim, pretty sure it was planned to be that way. Skyhigh played pretty well the only real questionable decision making being to base trade with his marines as if sea had been ready with siege tank / repair it wouldn't have done as much damage but it still worked out pretty well because he cut off reinforcements + kill red's nat OC and lifted his production(after combat shield finished) and thus was able to overwhelm the red terrans forces at his main.

He never really missed a beat with his macro, red terrans build was a bit all over the place with really late upgrades for his bio, I think he went 1-1-1 because he saw skyhigh was going banshee as opposed to the more standard 1 rax fe into 3 rax and wasn't used to the transition back into bio.

Basically skyhigh other than one questionable decision played well but since his opponent played badly it is hard to determine how good he really is beyond what I already mentioned of having good macro / decision making(for the most part).
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 21 2012 06:32 GMT
#249
On May 21 2012 15:30 Griffith` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:27 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
For people who are watching the SC1 progamers and are thinking they are mid masters:
yes. yes they are. You can see that their mechanics and reaction times are AMAZING but their game sense is almost nonexistent, which is what makes progamers progamers.

So don't expect SICK games until season 3.


get the fuck out that was an amazing TvT. SC2 TvT is the only MU on par or better with the excitement/action of BW counterparts though. All the other MUs are kinda... eh..

as people mentioned before, SkyHigh is amazing at TvT (perhaps 3rd only to Fantasy/Flash)

Far from amazing, but it certainly wasn't bad.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
May 21 2012 06:33 GMT
#250
I wanna see this movie! So many childhood memories from MIB lol
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
May 21 2012 06:33 GMT
#251
I don't know how to describe it exactly, but the thing that's impressed me most about the BW players is how crisp everything is. The decision making and game knowledge isn't quite there, but there are never situations where drops are sitting behind mineral lines massacring scvs, Protoss kill drops instantly once hts hit the field, there's almost never any supply blocks. These guys just have insane awareness and reaction time - if they can get the decision making process down/some metagame knowledge then they'll be really really good.

It's not amazing my any means, but the raw mechanics are just so smooth!
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
May 21 2012 06:33 GMT
#252
On May 21 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote:
1/1/1 failed. Super late natural CC. Gets tanks dropped into his main and defends with SCV's.

Still wins.

That either means SkyHigh is pretty damn good or Sea is really bad.

SkyHigh got the far better end of the original semi-base trade. Sea losing that OC was critical because he also lost way more workers.

You can tell they're not hugely refined players right now.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 21 2012 06:33 GMT
#253
On May 21 2012 15:32 Falconblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though.


lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking



When has Incontrol been mid-tier? I love the guy, but he's not midtier

I'd say Mid-tier might be players like HasuObs, BratOk, etc (chose them off the top of my head)


stopped reading here.
The Notorious Winkles
STDfan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States203 Posts
May 21 2012 06:33 GMT
#254
This girl is cute
Who's that coming down the track?
Griffith`
Profile Joined September 2010
714 Posts
May 21 2012 06:34 GMT
#255
On May 21 2012 15:33 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:32 Falconblade wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though.


lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking



When has Incontrol been mid-tier? I love the guy, but he's not midtier

I'd say Mid-tier might be players like HasuObs, BratOk, etc (chose them off the top of my head)


stopped reading here.


i loled
griffith.583 (NA)
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 21 2012 06:34 GMT
#256
I expect Movie vs. Horang2 next for some reason.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
May 21 2012 06:34 GMT
#257
On May 21 2012 15:30 Griffith` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:27 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
For people who are watching the SC1 progamers and are thinking they are mid masters:
yes. yes they are. You can see that their mechanics and reaction times are AMAZING but their game sense is almost nonexistent, which is what makes progamers progamers.

So don't expect SICK games until season 3.


get the fuck out that was an amazing TvT. SC2 TvT is the only MU on par or better with the excitement/action of BW counterparts though. All the other MUs are kinda... eh..

as people mentioned before, SkyHigh is amazing at TvT (perhaps 3rd only to Fantasy/Flash)

While I agree SC2 TvT can be pretty cool I have to say ZvT is by far the most exciting matchup.
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
Nibbler89
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
884 Posts
May 21 2012 06:35 GMT
#258
On May 21 2012 15:30 Fionn wrote:
1/1/1 failed. Super late natural CC. Gets tanks dropped into his main and defends with SCV's.

Still wins.

That either means SkyHigh is pretty damn good or Sea is really bad.

Read what I wrote in previous post, I have a feeling you aren't that familiar with T wasn't a "failed 1-1-1".
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
May 21 2012 06:35 GMT
#259
On May 21 2012 15:33 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2012 15:32 Falconblade wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:30 rysecake wrote:
On May 21 2012 15:21 Falconblade wrote:
Not too impressed with the level of SC2 play I've seen so far. It just seems like Korean Masters level, except for Effort who looked pretty good vs. Flash. He might be a touch under what I may see from a mid-class foreigner. The others look a fair bit below mid-tier foreigner. Still lots of time to improve though.


lmao if you think people like incontrol can match these players you needa give me some of what you're smoking



When has Incontrol been mid-tier? I love the guy, but he's not midtier

I'd say Mid-tier might be players like HasuObs, BratOk, etc (chose them off the top of my head)


stopped reading here.

Personally, I don't think any of the BW pros could beat Hasu in a Bo3. But that doesn't say shit. They've only been playing for a week after all.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
May 21 2012 06:35 GMT
#260
why are they talking about this game for so long
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