I'm gonna go ahead and pick Scarlett 5-3. Kas hasn't looked phenomenal lately, and Scarlett is very confident vs T. Kas's style hasn't quite adapted to the fast hive centered play, imo - he just loves to bludgeon people to death macroing marine tank medivac, and your timing is so short nowadays, and infestors so good. The queen buff will only help make early game easier for Scarlett.
Kas never takes showmatches serious, he never tryies to win, he always makes some crazy ass builds to entertain people, while many of his opponents try to counter his macro style by making allins.
I want this showmatch to be interesting, not this 24\7 allins and shit, like MaNa did some time ago against Kas :\
Hoping for good games. Kas is very solid, if he brings his A-game it will be 5-0 or 5-1. Some maps are a pain to play as Terran, but some for Zerg so its kind of balanced. Terran for the win.
On May 12 2012 23:53 Redox wrote: Finally a real show match for her, not this girl on girl crap.
I think Scarlett has a chance. Some people already see her as the best NA zerg.
Girl on Girl crap? really? i mean let there be female only tournaments i do not see the harm in that and i do not like the fact you are downgrading those tournaments. They train just as hard and try just as hard to compete.
On May 12 2012 14:49 AKomrade wrote: Kas 5:2. Too solid, too good.
Scarlett 5x2 Kas
No doubt about it, I still think STAphrodite is better than Kas.
aphrodite is better than kas? i think u need to check urself in a mental ward that being said alot of ppl are underrating scarlett, ur going to be pleasantly surprised
On May 12 2012 23:53 Redox wrote: Finally a real show match for her, not this girl on girl crap.
I think Scarlett has a chance. Some people already see her as the best NA zerg.
Girl on Girl crap? really? i mean let there be female only tournaments i do not see the harm in that and i do not like the fact you are downgrading those tournaments. They train just as hard and try just as hard to compete.
There is the difference. Effort doesn't equal skill.
On May 12 2012 13:49 Pokebunny wrote: I'm gonna go ahead and pick Scarlett 5-3. Kas hasn't looked phenomenal lately, and Scarlett is very confident vs T. Kas's style hasn't quite adapted to the fast hive centered play, imo - he just loves to bludgeon people to death macroing marine tank medivac, and your timing is so short nowadays, and infestors so good. The queen buff will only help make early game easier for Scarlett.
WOOT? Did you even watch any of kas games lately? this tournament was 1 1/2 weeks ago http://www.abload.de/img/taketvinvitationallpk68.png (his loss vs bigs in r1 winner bracket was his first game of the day he said)
5-1 kas is my prediction. Scarlett is good, but Kas is a completely different tier.
On May 12 2012 23:53 Redox wrote: Finally a real show match for her, not this girl on girl crap.
I think Scarlett has a chance. Some people already see her as the best NA zerg.
Then some would be really far off base with that believe. Only reason people think this is cause she's new an had 1 good result so far. The same thing happened when Spanishiwa first showed up on the scene. Everyone though he was the best out there especially with his play style but one he had been out there for awhile people figured out he was mid teir at best as far as NA pro's go. The same thing will happen here as it did then as well. Also to be best NA zerg you have to top the likes of IdrA, Sheth, even Catz, Destiny, SLush, and Spanishiwa and 1 good tournament run just isn't good enough to prove that not even close.
On May 12 2012 23:53 Redox wrote: Finally a real show match for her, not this girl on girl crap.
I think Scarlett has a chance. Some people already see her as the best NA zerg.
Then some would be really far off base with that believe. Only reason people think this is cause she's new an had 1 good result so far. The same thing happened when Spanishiwa first showed up on the scene. Everyone though he was the best out there especially with his play style but one he had been out there for awhile people figured out he was mid teir at best as far as NA pro's go. The same thing will happen here as it did then as well. Also to be best NA zerg you have to top the likes of IdrA, Sheth, even Catz, Destiny, SLush, and Spanishiwa and 1 good tournament run just isn't good enough to prove that not even close.
I'd argue Sheth does not deserve to be on that list, maybe Slush not either. Idra is definitely struggling but he's not the one day fly that you make him out to be.
I hope Scarlett puts up good games but I can't see Kas losing this. GL to both!
On May 13 2012 08:30 SKYFISH_ wrote: best of nine against Kas?
lol no chances, even koreans will have a hard time in such a long series against him
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Code A level and up would have no problem 5-0 or 5-1ing him.
Yes they would. Last time he played a BO9 against a Korean (Ganzi), he lost 5-3, after being up 3-1, though, so I don't know if long series really do benefit him.
On May 13 2012 08:30 SKYFISH_ wrote: best of nine against Kas?
lol no chances, even koreans will have a hard time in such a long series against him
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Code A level and up would have no problem 5-0 or 5-1ing him.
Yes they would. Last time he played a BO9 against a Korean (Ganzi), he lost 5-3, after being up 3-1, though, so I don't know if long series really do benefit him.
Also people tend to forget Kas did 2-0 MKP at WCG last year where he took 3rd place
Kas should take this. Scarlett is amazing, no doubt about it, but I'm not so sure about this one. Wouldn't be a huge upset for me if she won either though.
Regardless, I'll be up to my ears in D3 on wednesday, so I'll have to give a premature gl to both of you
Kas is known for a million scv play, so it will be fun to see what scarlett would do to react to that. But ZvT is just painful for me right now for how good marines are
Was watching a ForGG's stream yesterday and he had to play vs scarlett twice. Was actually impressed with her style (albeit forgg didnt have a tough time of it really). Rooting for her :D
On May 12 2012 23:53 Redox wrote: Finally a real show match for her, not this girl on girl crap.
I think Scarlett has a chance. Some people already see her as the best NA zerg.
Then some would be really far off base with that believe. Only reason people think this is cause she's new an had 1 good result so far. The same thing happened when Spanishiwa first showed up on the scene. Everyone though he was the best out there especially with his play style but one he had been out there for awhile people figured out he was mid teir at best as far as NA pro's go. The same thing will happen here as it did then as well. Also to be best NA zerg you have to top the likes of IdrA, Sheth, even Catz, Destiny, SLush, and Spanishiwa and 1 good tournament run just isn't good enough to prove that not even close.
Scarlett's first LAN was not even close to Spanishiwa's first MLG. Spanishiwa was knocked out of loser's round third by FireZerg, beating no one of note. His 3rd MLG which you are probably refering to the best players he beat were Painuser, Theognis and KawaiiRice and he lost to TLO and illusion. Scarlett on the other hand beat Terious, Ddoro and DeMuslim, only losing to Koreans. And since then has not dropped a single match in the online tournaments she has competed in since, beating the likes of ZeNexAvenge and PhoeNix.
Her one tournament run and subsequent matches have certainly put her in the discussion as one of the best NA zergs. And given the recent results of the players you listed, it would not be crazy to suggest she might be the best.
Oh come on, I wanna play Diablo.. But I also love Starcraft.. and I have classes + have to study.. <dedicates next week towards creation of super awesome time machine>
On May 14 2012 10:17 DamageControL wrote: I think how Scarlett does will be huge for her new team opportunities.
If she crushes (unlikely) I'd expect a larger team to pick her up.
If it's close either way perhaps a larger one will pick her up for publicity or she'll be one of the better players on a second tier team.
If she loses miserably I'm not sure what will happen.
She said in her fanclub that she is already in talks with two teams that want to sign her so I don't think this will be too relevant. This should be an awesome fight!
On May 14 2012 11:21 Vallz wrote: After seeing Scarlett take down Bomber on ladder convincingly I have to say this will be very close but kas will take it 5-4
I take it this was Bomber playing on NA, where he tends to do troll builds.. I wouldn't read much into it if so. Bomber would crush Scarlett when playing properly.
On May 14 2012 15:05 Torte de Lini wrote: Isn't Kas consider the actual best Terran. Pretty sure he's better than ThorZaIN?
I don't know if I would say he is better then thorzain but he is definitely one of the best foreign terrans out there. I expect scarlett to get rolled tbh.
On May 14 2012 15:05 Torte de Lini wrote: Isn't Kas consider the actual best Terran. Pretty sure he's better than ThorZaIN?
No way, thorzain is comfortably better, as is LucifroN.
To be honest, I would put Kas above ThorZaIN. I hold a special place in my heart for Lucifron :B
I wish we had a showmatch between ThorZaIN and Kas
on what basis? head to head is 8-3 for ThorZaIN, he's won comfortably more prize money, had far bigger tournament success etc and I would've thought his play is far more impressive than that of Kas (unit control especially). Kas has amazing macro, and is top 3 or 4 foreign terran for sure, but I would've thought ThorZaIN and LucifroN are 1 & 2 atm.
Online, Kas could be the best foreign Terran. And while offline he has become much better than where he was (his third places at IEM Kiev and WCG), he hasn't had that big offline win like Thorzain has. That means quite a lot.
Kas is definitely one of the best European Terrans, if not the one of the best foreign Terrans out there. It's a pretty well known fact that Kas has EXTREME nerve issues in actual tournaments, always falling off before winning. When he is comfortable, his nickname as the destroyer really does fit well with him.
Scarlett can definitely do well with her A game, but I do find it hard for her to win. 5-3 Kas in my opinion, especially since Scarlett can play above her level when the time calls.
5-3 scarlett, queens play a role in this since terrans have not adapted yet to the change so might be hard for kas. also scarlett is really good vs terran and hes been able to practise more.
On May 14 2012 17:05 stonetalon wrote: 5-3 scarlett, queens play a role in this since terrans have not adapted yet to the change so might be hard for kas. also scarlett is really good vs terran and hes been able to practise more.
On May 14 2012 13:14 bikefrog wrote: Kas ain't that solid. Scarlett 5-1.
Kas 3-2 Zenio, former code S player take that back
I always find it so stupid when people make post like this. Kas is a professional Sc2 player playing in countless tournament, sooner or later he's going to beat a Korean player after approaching two years of professional play.
It really doesn't count for much of anything if you beat a Korean once or twice when your overall record against Korean is way, way, way under 50% like Kas's is.
I don't think Scarlett has been practicing as hard as he/she did since IPL4. And Kas is still the very top european terran and he does practice his ass off as you could see by just looking at the quantity of the games he played on the ladder. Also, it is important on which server they are going to play. If it's NA than I'd say it's 5-3 for Kas, if it's on Europe - 5-1.
Yeah I think Kas is gonna win, but 5-0? No way unless she gets seriously nervous or something. Sure Demuslim might not be on the same level as Kas but he is certainly not far away. My guess is 5-2 Kas with fairly even games.
On May 12 2012 16:16 fAiryqt wrote: Kas never takes showmatches serious, he never tryies to win, he always makes some crazy ass builds to entertain people, while many of his opponents try to counter his macro style by making allins.
I want this showmatch to be interesting, not this 24\7 allins and shit, like MaNa did some time ago against Kas :\
Haha yes, I remember his showmatch against Catz about a year ago during the "Catz vs. Europe" showmatch series. BC rush and other crazy stuff. He understands the true meaning of showmatch ^_^
Still... I'm hoping that he takes it seriously. When Kas is at his best, he is an absolute beast. I haven't seen much of Scarlett, but I love seeing Kas play. Looking forward to this
On May 14 2012 13:14 bikefrog wrote: Kas ain't that solid. Scarlett 5-1.
Kas 3-2 Zenio, former code S player take that back
I always find it so stupid when people make post like this. Kas is a professional Sc2 player playing in countless tournament, sooner or later he's going to beat a Korean player after approaching two years of professional play.
It really doesn't count for much of anything if you beat a Korean once or twice when your overall record against Korean is way, way, way under 50% like Kas's is.
You make it sound like Kas beating a Korean is attributable to luck. There are many professional foreign players who have basically never beaten a Korean player before. Besides, Kas' record vs. Koreans is not "way, way, way under 50 %" Looking at his TLPD you will find that he has a pretty decent record against many Koreans, among:
MKP 2-0 in favor of Kas (in an offline setting too, WCG) Zenio 5-4 in favor of Kas Lucky 2-1 in favor of Kas Puma 1-4 in favor of Puma Gumiho 1-2 in favor of Gumiho 3-0 Nada in favor of Kas
As you can see, his record against good Koreans is quite respectable. I wouldn't say he is a favorite against Code S/A Koreans, but he can certainly put up a fight against even the best.
On May 14 2012 22:30 figq wrote: That's gonna be a great match, I think! Stuff like this incoming:
I love Scarlett to , but you really think Kas gonna let her do that ?:D Dont think so Scarlett is very good player , but lets be real.. she can take max two games from Kas ,not more..
On May 14 2012 13:14 bikefrog wrote: Kas ain't that solid. Scarlett 5-1.
Kas 3-2 Zenio, former code S player take that back
I always find it so stupid when people make post like this. Kas is a professional Sc2 player playing in countless tournament, sooner or later he's going to beat a Korean player after approaching two years of professional play.
It really doesn't count for much of anything if you beat a Korean once or twice when your overall record against Korean is way, way, way under 50% like Kas's is.
You make it sound like Kas beating a Korean is attributable to luck. There are many professional foreign players who have basically never beaten a Korean player before. Besides, Kas' record vs. Koreans is not "way, way, way under 50 %" Looking at his TLPD you will find that he has a pretty decent record against many Koreans, among:
MKP 2-0 in favor of Kas (in an offline setting too, WCG) Zenio 5-4 in favor of Kas Lucky 2-1 in favor of Kas Puma 1-4 in favor of Puma Gumiho 1-2 in favor of Gumiho 3-0 Nada in favor of Kas
As you can see, his record against good Koreans is quite respectable. I wouldn't say he is a favorite against Code S/A Koreans, but he can certainly put up a fight against even the best.
Most foreigners have beaten a Korean player. I'd say well over half of the 'known' foreigners who regularly attend LAN's have beaten a decent Korean on LAN.
Kas's wins obviously weren't luck, but his record is (included only LAN events): vs Supernova 1-2 LOSS vs Puma 1-2 LOSS vs Zenio 3-2 WIN vs Zenio 2-0 WIN vs MVP 0-2 LOSS vs MKP 2-0 WIN vs MC 0-2 LOSS vs MC 0-4 LOSS
So 3 wins, 5 losses. 9 maps won, 14 maps lost. Overall win rate of 38% on LAN. Which is well short of 50% and really not impressive. I'll admit though that this is a small sample size, so small that Zenio is a massive increase of his win rate (who is awful vs Terran) and MC massively increases his losses.
So if we use the more unreliable results of online tournaments we get.
vs Hyun 1-3 LOSS vs Zenio 0-2 LOSS vs Select 0-3 LOSS vs Squirtle 3-2 WIN vs Gumiho 1-2 LOSS vs Lucky 2-1 WIN vs Jjakji 0-3 LOSS vs Supernova 1-2 LOSS vs Real 0-2 LOSS vs Heart 0-2 LOSS vs ASD 1-0 WIN vs Puma 1-2 LOSS vs Inori 2-0 WIN vs Creator 0-1 LOSS vs Zenio 3-2 WIN vs Zenio 2-0 WIN
That's his 2012 results against Korean players. (apologies if I made a mistake and missed a game).
Which means he's won 15 maps and lost 27 maps. Giving him a win rate of 36% vs Koreans in 2012. Which I think most people would agree isn't good and is well shy of the 50% mark, just like I said.
So as I originally stated Kas is clearly a guy who is capable of beating Koreans some of the time, but he loses to them far more than he wins. So bragging about his wins over Koreans is really, really weird when actually he has a weak record overall. Anyone can cherry pick a result and pretend it makes a player consistent vs top players or likely to beat them (Goody vs Nestea, Idra vs Bomber), but it doesn't mean much if most of your other results vs Korean are losses.
On May 14 2012 23:33 KalWarkov wrote: how is 38% on LAN against Code S / Code A level players only not impressive?? oO
It is impressive for a foreign player, however many people cherry pick his victories against MKP and such, concluding that he is a Code A or even S caliber player. I doubt anyone is actually saying that Kas is not a great player.
On May 14 2012 23:33 KalWarkov wrote: how is 38% on LAN against Code S / Code A level players only not impressive?? oO
Because most of his map wins were against Zenio in TvZ and because it's around the same record as TheBest, Maka and other players most people consider terrible.
Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
Beat Bumblebee in ZvZ with a baneling bust. Not to mention that Bumblebee has a 21.43% winrate in 2012 in Korea.
Beat Ddoro, a mid tier Protoss at best who in 2012 has a record of 42% in internation, which is I suppose not horrible.
Beat Oz once in a Bo3 which I will admit is good.
Beat DeMuslim, however she accidentally built an evo chamber instead of a spawning pool, DeMuslim decided to be nice and left the game, giving her one win and then she won the second game.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix.
Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so.
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
Beat Bumblebee in ZvZ with a baneling bust. Not to mention that Bumblebee has a 21.43% winrate in 2012 in Korea.
Beat Ddoro, a mid tier Protoss at best who in 2012 has a record of 42% in internation, which is I suppose not horrible.
Beat Oz once in a Bo3 which I will admit is good.
Beat DeMuslim, however she accidentally built an evo chamber instead of a spawning pool, DeMuslim decided to be nice and left the game, giving her one win and then she won the second game.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix.
Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so.
Didn't they just regame and she won 2 legit games in a row vs Demuslim?
This should be a good showmatch no doubt, Scarlett's ZvT is her best MU and of course KaS is one of THE most solid European Terrans. I hope for a close one ^^ 5-3 or 5-4 Kas, but Scarlett could surprise.
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
Beat Bumblebee in ZvZ with a baneling bust. Not to mention that Bumblebee has a 21.43% winrate in 2012 in Korea.
Beat Ddoro, a mid tier Protoss at best who in 2012 has a record of 42% in internation, which is I suppose not horrible.
Beat Oz once in a Bo3 which I will admit is good.
Beat DeMuslim, however she accidentally built an evo chamber instead of a spawning pool, DeMuslim decided to be nice and left the game, giving her one win and then she won the second game.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix.
Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so.
She also beat Zenex Avenge in one of the IPL TL qualifiers. No one is saying that she is the next bonjwa. Kas fans just seem taken aback that Scarlett fans want her to win...
This is a showmatch I'm looking forward to. I expect Kas to take it as he's just a very solid player overall (and a bit underrated by many), but I don't think it'll be a landslide victory. Something like 5-2 or 5-3.
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
Beat Bumblebee in ZvZ with a baneling bust. Not to mention that Bumblebee has a 21.43% winrate in 2012 in Korea.
Beat Ddoro, a mid tier Protoss at best who in 2012 has a record of 42% in internation, which is I suppose not horrible.
Beat Oz once in a Bo3 which I will admit is good.
Beat DeMuslim, however she accidentally built an evo chamber instead of a spawning pool, DeMuslim decided to be nice and left the game, giving her one win and then she won the second game.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix.
Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so.
First DeMuslim regamed. She won two straight up games against him. Second zero people have called her the next zerg bonjwa, you just set up a straw man. Lastly there aren't that many great NA zergs, I think you would even admit she is at least top 5 NA zerg and someone arguing that she is top 3 isn't much of a stretch. Hyping her as the best NA zerg isn't that crazy until further notice IMO.
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
Beat Bumblebee in ZvZ with a baneling bust. Not to mention that Bumblebee has a 21.43% winrate in 2012 in Korea.
Beat Ddoro, a mid tier Protoss at best who in 2012 has a record of 42% in internation, which is I suppose not horrible.
Beat Oz once in a Bo3 which I will admit is good.
Beat DeMuslim, however she accidentally built an evo chamber instead of a spawning pool, DeMuslim decided to be nice and left the game, giving her one win and then she won the second game.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix.
Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so.
Oz played garbage in that one game. Beating DeMusliM is pretty nice but it wasn't all that sick.
Scarlett has hype because she's a good female player and because she's transgender. Her skill performance was far less than Quantic.Illusion who's like 16 years old and beat Code S players in their best match-up but he barely got noticed.
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
Beat Bumblebee in ZvZ with a baneling bust. Not to mention that Bumblebee has a 21.43% winrate in 2012 in Korea.
Beat Ddoro, a mid tier Protoss at best who in 2012 has a record of 42% in internation, which is I suppose not horrible.
Beat Oz once in a Bo3 which I will admit is good.
Beat DeMuslim, however she accidentally built an evo chamber instead of a spawning pool, DeMuslim decided to be nice and left the game, giving her one win and then she won the second game.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix.
Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so.
Oz played garbage in that one game. Beating DeMusliM is pretty nice but it wasn't all that sick.
Scarlett has hype because she's a good female player and because she's transgender. Her skill performance was far less than Quantic.Illusion who's like 16 years old and beat Code S players in their best match-up but he barely got noticed.
He didn't play great, but garbage? That two base timing was VERY strong.
You're missing that fact that it was her first ever LAN event too. That was a large reason for the attention as well. Also most of us Scarlett fans would admit Illusion is the better player. No one (err... almost no one) says she is the best NA player.
Just FYI you should include a poll, people like that. But onto the match, this should be alot of fun, and will either be a sweep or a super close series, so I am very excited to watch this. Really interesting to see how players handle scarlett now that she is a known player, and not some unknown that can blind side the big names.
Hm... hard to predict... With Kas, there is always some part of my brain telling me that this man is a beast. However I have no reason to believe that Scarlett is otherwise... must watch for me.
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
Beat Bumblebee in ZvZ with a baneling bust. Not to mention that Bumblebee has a 21.43% winrate in 2012 in Korea.
Beat Ddoro, a mid tier Protoss at best who in 2012 has a record of 42% in internation, which is I suppose not horrible.
Beat Oz once in a Bo3 which I will admit is good.
Beat DeMuslim, however she accidentally built an evo chamber instead of a spawning pool, DeMuslim decided to be nice and left the game, giving her one win and then she won the second game.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix.
Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so.
It was a regame so scarlett won 2 proper games to make it 2-0, therefore even if the regame counts as a loss she still won 2-1 and therefore wins the best of 3
Scarlett is definitely the underdog, that's why the games will be great. Losing to Kas is no shame. And if she wins, well, another chapter in the story.
Just in ... we will be giving away will be for 2 Tt eSports Theron mice at the end of the showmatch tomorrow. Check out the OP for details on how to enter. Good luck everyone!
On May 16 2012 03:43 goswser wrote: Scarlett will win 5-1 or 5-0.
Can you think of a single foreigner zerg beside stephano that is favoured that much over kas? That's a pretty surprising prediction. Do you consider scarlett top 3 foreigner zerg? Or maybe her playstyle is good against kas?
On May 12 2012 23:53 Redox wrote: Finally a real show match for her, not this girl on girl crap.
I think Scarlett has a chance. Some people already see her as the best NA zerg.
Girl on Girl crap? really? i mean let there be female only tournaments i do not see the harm in that and i do not like the fact you are downgrading those tournaments. They train just as hard and try just as hard to compete.
Its either or really. I think if this is going to be a bigender sport, something it obviously should be, girl tournaments actually belittle female e-sports rather then encouraging it. I mean, its not like the other tourmanents are male only by ruling nor does gender actually matter (and if it did scarlett would actually have an advantage since she actually was born a male thereby invalidating them anyway) . Its like saying hey, since you cant qualify for the real ones have a tourney just for you.
Its like if they in Korea would have a GSL for just the people not managing to qualify, I read it as some sort of consolation tourney. Sure, from an entertainment standpoint maybe its good dunno, I dont really want to watch SC2 on a lower level just cause they are girls. From a competative standpoint no, I want to see the best be they Male, Female or Cat
On May 12 2012 23:53 Redox wrote: Finally a real show match for her, not this girl on girl crap.
I think Scarlett has a chance. Some people already see her as the best NA zerg.
Girl on Girl crap? really? i mean let there be female only tournaments i do not see the harm in that and i do not like the fact you are downgrading those tournaments. They train just as hard and try just as hard to compete.
uIts either or really. I think if this is going to be a bigender sport, something it obviously should be, girl tournaments actually belittle female e-sports rather then encouraging it. I mean, its not like the other tourmanents are male only by ruling nor does gender actually matter (and if it did scarlett would actually have an advantage since she actually was born a male thereby invalidating them anyway) . Its like saying hey, since you cant qualify for the real ones have a tourney just for you.
Its like if they in Korea would have a GSL for just the people not managing to qualify, I read it as some sort of consolation tourney. Sure, from an entertainment standpoint maybe its good dunno, I dont really want to watch SC2 on a lower level just cause they are girls. From a competative standpoint no, I want to see the best be they Male, Female or Cat
Is this guy serious? Do you also think tournaments that only accept certain nationality of gamers have same effect? Like the upcoming Mexican league is killing Mexican esports scene.
On May 14 2012 23:33 KalWarkov wrote: how is 38% on LAN against Code S / Code A level players only not impressive?? oO
Because most of his map wins were against Zenio in TvZ and because it's around the same record as TheBest, Maka and other players most people consider terrible.
On May 12 2012 23:53 Redox wrote: Finally a real show match for her, not this girl on girl crap.
I think Scarlett has a chance. Some people already see her as the best NA zerg.
Girl on Girl crap? really? i mean let there be female only tournaments i do not see the harm in that and i do not like the fact you are downgrading those tournaments. They train just as hard and try just as hard to compete.
Its either or really. I think if this is going to be a bigender sport, something it obviously should be, girl tournaments actually belittle female e-sports rather then encouraging it. I mean, its not like the other tourmanents are male only by ruling nor does gender actually matter (and if it did scarlett would actually have an advantage since she actually was born a male thereby invalidating them anyway) . Its like saying hey, since you cant qualify for the real ones have a tourney just for you.
Its like if they in Korea would have a GSL for just the people not managing to qualify, I read it as some sort of consolation tourney. Sure, from an entertainment standpoint maybe its good dunno, I dont really want to watch SC2 on a lower level just cause they are girls. From a competative standpoint no, I want to see the best be they Male, Female or Cat
You mean like the Code S spots they give to foreigners ?
On May 16 2012 03:43 goswser wrote: Scarlett will win 5-1 or 5-0.
Can you think of a single foreigner zerg beside stephano that is favoured that much over kas? That's a pretty surprising prediction. Do you consider scarlett top 3 foreigner zerg? Or maybe her playstyle is good against kas?
This.
I doubt Scarlett can win this, but i wish she will.
I think 5-3 for Kas would be a good result for Scarlett too.
It's online and not for a huge prize. Kas has this. The dude is so good when he's feeling to it. Greatest non korean macro terran there is. 5-2 for Kas.
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ChanmanV deserves 10x what he gets in recognition and viewership.
Im strangly hyped for this looks like it will either be a good series or Kas will totally stomp Scarlett. I guess its very interesting since I havent really seen much of Scarletts play so I have no idea how good she will play
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On May 17 2012 03:01 Mystgun wrote: Scarlett's beaten some players who are better than Kas at IPL4, but maybe she had the element of surprise at that time
I'm really stoked for this match, obviously I've got to back Scarlett, Win or lose, I think we are going to be set for some great games, and perhaps even epic ones.
Really interesting to see Scarlett have this chance to play against one of the best european and I guess one of the best players in general. This is her shot so it will be interesting to see what happens.
On May 17 2012 03:01 Mystgun wrote: Scarlett's beaten some players who are better than Kas at IPL4, but maybe she had the element of surprise at that time
On May 17 2012 03:01 Mystgun wrote: Scarlett's beaten some players who are better than Kas at IPL4, but maybe she had the element of surprise at that time
On May 17 2012 03:01 Mystgun wrote: Scarlett's beaten some players who are better than Kas at IPL4, but maybe she had the element of surprise at that time
I would be incredibly impressed and surprised if Scarlett manages to take 3 games off Kas. That being said, I expect 5-2 Kas...Scarlett is good enough to do at least that much.
On May 17 2012 04:54 brokenLoL wrote: 5-0 to Scarlett. She beat Demuslim who is better than Kas
I'm extremely curious how that idea got in so many people's heads. Kas seems leaps and bounds ahead of demu
I wouldnt say leaps and bounds but kas on average is better than demuslim, both peaking Id say they're similar skill but kas is sooo much more consistant probably because plays so much.
I can't believe scarlett held that. 122 drones killed and still holding 200/200 mech pushes! Even if she is going to die to the next push, that was awesome.
On May 17 2012 05:25 CTangent wrote: I can't believe scarlett held that. 122 drones killed and still holding 200/200 mech pushes! Even if she is going to die to the next push, that was awesome.
This is gonna be very very hard tho. I think it's over.
On May 17 2012 05:29 ThePowerHour wrote: Kas should actually make ghosts before he accidentally loses this.
Yep.. if he had 4 or 5 ghosts he could just EMP the Infestors, instead of letting them fungal 15 times. I think this game showed how important ghosts are vs Zerg late game... Even with 125 Drones killed, Kas wasn't THAT far ahead (yes, he was quite ahead.. but seriously, 125 drones lost and Scarlett still holding somewhat is crazy)
On May 17 2012 05:29 ThePowerHour wrote: Kas should actually make ghosts before he accidentally loses this.
Yep.. if he had 4 or 5 ghosts he could just EMP the Infestors, instead of letting them fungal 15 times. I think this game showed how important ghosts are vs Zerg late game... Even with 125 Drones killed, Kas wasn't THAT far ahead (yes, he was quite ahead.. but seriously, 125 drones lost and Scarlett still holding somewhat is crazy)
Infestor/BL is just such a good composition, especially with players that have the micro to transfuse them.
I personally much preferred TvZ lategame pre-snipe nerf, thought it was more interesting to watch than the current incarnation
On May 17 2012 05:21 totii wrote: Extremely pretty disappointed that nobody thought to put active mods in the chat.
Yeah, there's really no excuse for that.
Just opened the chat. Disgusting.
Please make sure you guys have chat mods next time around, or else just lock the chat. No one is even talking about the game, since there are no mods, so it's really not needed.
On May 17 2012 05:36 Razzor wrote: 135 drones ... and still fighting pretty well... she shown that she can win Kas relatively easy.
Don't you think ???
Lasting long in a game against a patient mech Terran doesn't really mean anything. There was never any chance of Scarlett winning, even though the casters may have given that impression.
On May 17 2012 05:36 Razzor wrote: 135 drones ... and still fighting pretty well... she shown that she can win Kas relatively easy.
Don't you think ???
dunno, it was basically over when that banshee got like 24 kills and the hellions did like 25 by the early mid game, and kas was expanding like fuck during that so i think it was over for a long time, just mech army took a while to get built, she had good upgrades though and creep spread considering the amount of punishment she took
On May 17 2012 05:36 Razzor wrote: 135 drones ... and still fighting pretty well... she shown that she can win Kas relatively easy.
For me, it seemed that Kas was playing with her the moment he got the ravens. Pretty one-sided, imho.
Im pretty sure the fact he opened mass hellions and kept saccing them to suicide on drones showed he was putting on a showgame rather than play super serious.
I'm hoping Scarlett puts up a good show and would like to see her win, but Kas is stupidly underrated. His mechanics are some of the best outside of Korea.
On May 17 2012 05:36 Razzor wrote: 135 drones ... and still fighting pretty well... she shown that she can win Kas relatively easy.
Don't you think ???
dunno, it was basically over when that banshee got like 24 kills and the hellions did like 25 by the early mid game, and kas was expanding like fuck during that so i think it was over for a long time, just mech army took a while to get built, she had good upgrades though and creep spread considering the amount of punishment she took
Her creep spread was insane. Are we willing to call that "her thing" now?
Chat doesn't work for me, could someone who's in it tell them that they have the population indicators and names reversed at the top? (Kas has zerg pop, Scarlett has terran pop)
On May 17 2012 05:36 Razzor wrote: 135 drones ... and still fighting pretty well... she shown that she can win Kas relatively easy.
For me, it seemed that Kas was playing with her the moment he got the ravens. Pretty one-sided, imho.
Im pretty sure the fact he opened mass hellions and kept saccing them to suicide on drones showed he was putting on a showgame rather than play super serious.
???
Any good terran who mechs suicides groups of hellions for loads of workers. That happens like every macro game mech tvz.
Holy crap. I admit that I thought her creep spread in that match against Aphrodite happened due to Aphrodite not being aggressive enough in stopping it, but apparently I was wrong.
On May 17 2012 06:17 JustPassingBy wrote: blue flame is so great, I wonder why the Koreans never research it in tvz...
Korean Zergs are better at defending it... Scarlett is playing really greedy and has been constantly out of position with her roaches (when she finally got them, that is)
On May 17 2012 06:17 JustPassingBy wrote: blue flame is so great, I wonder why the Koreans never research it in tvz...
Korean Zergs are better at defending it... Scarlett is playing really greedy and has been constantly out of position with her roaches (when she finally got them, that is)
Yes, but you still see plenty of terrans in losing their hellions due to zergling surrounds, blue flame would help alot in those engagements. Well, maybe my judgement is a bit skewed, zergs in my league aren't really top notch so blue flame always pays off for me. ^^"
Scarlett looks like a pretty good foreigner. Like the level of a Darkforce or Dimaga. She makes a lot of really bad decisions though especially about when to engage.
On May 17 2012 06:17 JustPassingBy wrote: blue flame is so great, I wonder why the Koreans never research it in tvz...
Korean Zergs are better at defending it... Scarlett is playing really greedy and has been constantly out of position with her roaches (when she finally got them, that is)
Yes, but you still see plenty of terrans in losing their hellions due to zergling surrounds, blue flame would help alot in those engagements. Well, maybe my judgement is a bit skewed, zergs in my league aren't really top notch so blue flame always pays off for me. ^^"
If you don't get huge hits, it's really hard to win. Look at how much Kas has been struggly even his 50+ drone kills. If Z defends decently...
I bet some naive cutie-pie is gonna point out how good ravens are/terran lategame is after this game that Kas almost lost(scarlett was up 50 supply after the first main engagement) after killing 80 drones getting 2 bases ahead and every upgrade available for terran precisely because of his huge advantage.
Guys, come on. If Kas made 10 ghost academies and nuked all of his production facilities before rolling over his opponent, that would be putting on a show and goofing off.. going ravens vs mass clumped infestors is not
Scarlett is very promising but she is not on Kas' level at this current time. I would be very surprised if Kas lost this Bo9. When Scarlett gets on a team that allows her to practice full-time she should improve.
On May 17 2012 06:27 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Scarlett looks like a pretty good foreigner. Like the level of a Darkforce or Dimaga. She makes a lot of really bad decisions though especially about when to engage.
You're definitely underrating Dimaga and Darkforce...>_>
On May 17 2012 06:31 revel8 wrote: Scarlett is very promising but she is not on Kas' level at this current time. I would be very surprised if Kas lost this Bo9. When Scarlett gets on a team that allows her to practice full-time she should improve.
She spends a lot of time watching streams instead of actually playing, like just yesterday she was playing 2v2s with lastshadow -_-
On May 17 2012 06:32 Razzor wrote: Scarlett is, no doubt, better then Kas...
Your posting is absolutely ridiculous in this thread, some of the most biased I have ever seen on TL
I don't think so, son. That's my opinion ... don't you think ? 3 games so far and Scarlett only lost 2 bacause the lack of economy ... in a even game, she* looks like SOOOO GOOD and than better than Kas in my opinion...
On May 17 2012 06:31 revel8 wrote: Scarlett is very promising but she is not on Kas' level at this current time. I would be very surprised if Kas lost this Bo9. When Scarlett gets on a team that allows her to practice full-time she should improve.
She spends a lot of time watching streams instead of actually playing, like just yesterday she was playing 2v2s with lastshadow -_-
What's this here? Are trying to imply she has fun sometimes? Someone get that under control immediately!
On May 17 2012 06:32 Razzor wrote: Scarlett is, no doubt, better then Kas...
Your posting is absolutely ridiculous in this thread, some of the most biased I have ever seen on TL
I don't think so, son. That's my opinion ... don't you think ? 3 games so far and Scarlett only lost 2 bacause the lack of economy ... in a even game, show looks like SOOOO GOOD and than better than Kas in my opinion...
so, guy, don't try to be the hero here... ok ?
hf
That's largely a result of her multitask and defense, which is part of skill. So frustrating...she could partial wall and it would be so much easier to defend.
On May 17 2012 06:32 Razzor wrote: Scarlett is, no doubt, better then Kas...
Your posting is absolutely ridiculous in this thread, some of the most biased I have ever seen on TL
I don't think so, son. That's my opinion ... don't you think ? 3 games so far and Scarlett only lost 2 bacause the lack of economy ... in a even game, show looks like SOOOO GOOD and than better than Kas in my opinion...
so, guy, don't try to be the hero here... ok ?
hf
That's largely a result of her multitask and defense, which is part of skill.
She has definitely revealed mass blueflame hellion to be an ugly hole in her play, but on the other hand, she came short of taking game 1 by about 1 infestor (2 more fungals in that first big engagement and kas escapes with 3 vikings instead of 18).
On May 17 2012 06:30 IshinShishi wrote: I bet some naive cutie-pie is gonna point out how good ravens are/terran lategame is after this game that Kas almost lost(scarlett was up 50 supply after the first main engagement) after killing 80 drones getting 2 bases ahead and every upgrade available for terran precisely because of his huge advantage.
Doesn't that prove the point, that Ravens are good (in conjunction with Vikings and Thors)?
On May 17 2012 06:32 Razzor wrote: Scarlett is, no doubt, better then Kas...
Your posting is absolutely ridiculous in this thread, some of the most biased I have ever seen on TL
I don't think so, son. That's my opinion ... don't you think ? 3 games so far and Scarlett only lost 2 bacause the lack of economy ... in a even game, she* looks like SOOOO GOOD and than better than Kas in my opinion...
so, guy, don't try to be the hero here... ok ?
hf
Because she cannot defend adequately against Kas' openings?
'Be the hero' is pretty ironic, considering half of Scarlett's fanbase is based on her having an interesting backstory over and above anything she's achieved in the game. She does a great job with fan interaction, and is a promising player but the amount of bullshit posts that are thrown around on her behalf are a scourge on TL.
What do you guys think about Kas going primarily mech in this series thus far? I prefer the dynamics of the marine/tank style but it seems weaker in the super late game.
On May 17 2012 06:32 Razzor wrote: Scarlett is, no doubt, better then Kas...
Your posting is absolutely ridiculous in this thread, some of the most biased I have ever seen on TL
I don't think so, son. That's my opinion ... don't you think ? 3 games so far and Scarlett only lost 2 bacause the lack of economy ... in a even game, she* looks like SOOOO GOOD and than better than Kas in my opinion...
so, guy, don't try to be the hero here... ok ?
hf
Because she cannot defend adequately against Kas' openings?
'Be the hero' is pretty ironic, considering half of Scarlett's fanbase is based on her having an interesting backstory over and above anything she's achieved in the game. She does a great job with fan interaction, and is a promising player but the amount of bullshit posts that are thrown around on her behalf are a scourge on TL.
What do you guys think about Kas going primarily mech in this series thus far? I prefer the dynamics of the marine/tank style but it seems weaker in the super late game.
Uh, I don't think it's as good without the early game huge wins to be honest. Like, I see people lose 14 hellions for like 8 drones a lot when people defend properly and it's really hard to recover. You're vulnerable during the transtion to mass thors. and with less helions to support you're weak midgame.
On May 17 2012 06:31 revel8 wrote: Scarlett is very promising but she is not on Kas' level at this current time. I would be very surprised if Kas lost this Bo9. When Scarlett gets on a team that allows her to practice full-time she should improve.
She spends a lot of time watching streams instead of actually playing, like just yesterday she was playing 2v2s with lastshadow -_-
I am not familiar with Scarlett's schedule but I know that the likes of Sheth, Stephano, Hasu, Darkforce and the EG boys were playing Diablo 3 this week! So some time off every now and again is perfectly fine.
Scarlett is hampered by lack of a team though. I am sure she will get picked up soon by some decent team.
On May 17 2012 06:32 Razzor wrote: Scarlett is, no doubt, better then Kas...
Your posting is absolutely ridiculous in this thread, some of the most biased I have ever seen on TL
I don't think so, son. That's my opinion ... don't you think ? 3 games so far and Scarlett only lost 2 bacause the lack of economy ... in a even game, she* looks like SOOOO GOOD and than better than Kas in my opinion...
so, guy, don't try to be the hero here... ok ?
hf
Because she cannot defend adequately against Kas' openings?
'Be the hero' is pretty ironic, considering half of Scarlett's fanbase is based on her having an interesting backstory over and above anything she's achieved in the game. She does a great job with fan interaction, and is a promising player but the amount of bullshit posts that are thrown around on her behalf are a scourge on TL.
What do you guys think about Kas going primarily mech in this series thus far? I prefer the dynamics of the marine/tank style but it seems weaker in the super late game.
I still think scarlett is better... so, let's see.. she just needs do not lose that many workers, mr. Wombat
Next showmatch? iNcontroL vs DRG? @ Whoever created this shwomatch, I don't think it's fair to take one of the absolute best europeans and put it up with a high tier american. Scarlett lost before it begun. I think it would be a lot more fair if you put her up against somebody like Destiny or CatZ.
On May 17 2012 06:59 Irave wrote: I was thinking, Illusion is probably watching this and smiling.
Actually, I wonder if that is coming in to play here a little. Perhaps she's reluctant to give away some builds to Illusion.
Well to be fair Kas usually doesn't play mech since his style is more bio oriented...
No, Scarlett seems quite good but luckly there's time and room to get even better. Kas instead is the usual strong player displaying his usual "low prize money? Then I'll win for sure" mode.
On May 17 2012 07:09 ErAsc2 wrote: Next showmatch? iNcontroL vs DRG? @ Whoever created this shwomatch, I don't think it's fair to take one of the absolute best europeans and put it up with a high tier american. Scarlett lost before it begun. I think it would be a lot more fair if you put her up against somebody like Destiny or CatZ.
This show match is a lot closer than you think. I'm not sure what you are seeing.
On May 17 2012 07:09 ErAsc2 wrote: Next showmatch? iNcontroL vs DRG? @ Whoever created this shwomatch, I don't think it's fair to take one of the absolute best europeans and put it up with a high tier american. Scarlett lost before it begun. I think it would be a lot more fair if you put her up against somebody like Destiny or CatZ.
What an idiotic post, really. At least try watching the stream for a few minutes the next time.
On May 17 2012 07:09 ErAsc2 wrote: Next showmatch? iNcontroL vs DRG? @ Whoever created this shwomatch, I don't think it's fair to take one of the absolute best europeans and put it up with a high tier american. Scarlett lost before it begun. I think it would be a lot more fair if you put her up against somebody like Destiny or CatZ.
On May 17 2012 07:09 ErAsc2 wrote: Next showmatch? iNcontroL vs DRG? @ Whoever created this shwomatch, I don't think it's fair to take one of the absolute best europeans and put it up with a high tier american. Scarlett lost before it begun. I think it would be a lot more fair if you put her up against somebody like Destiny or CatZ.
This show match is a lot closer than you think. I'm not sure what you are seeing.
2-3 in favor of kas, REAL LOPSIDED SO FAR, LIKE WATCHING IDRA SHOWMATCH
On May 17 2012 07:15 revel8 wrote: That last game was funny! Kas gg's despite having twice as much supply! Broodlord infestor pushes are tough to stop!
The overlay was the wrong way round. It was Scarlett that doubled the supply of Kas.
On May 17 2012 07:09 ErAsc2 wrote: Next showmatch? iNcontroL vs DRG? @ Whoever created this shwomatch, I don't think it's fair to take one of the absolute best europeans and put it up with a high tier american. Scarlett lost before it begun. I think it would be a lot more fair if you put her up against somebody like Destiny or CatZ.
It's 3-2 right now... how the heck is that one sided?
On May 17 2012 07:09 ErAsc2 wrote: Next showmatch? iNcontroL vs DRG? @ Whoever created this shwomatch, I don't think it's fair to take one of the absolute best europeans and put it up with a high tier american. Scarlett lost before it begun. I think it would be a lot more fair if you put her up against somebody like Destiny or CatZ.
are you even watching the games? because it is an even series, Kas is the better player, most people will agree with that but its still not being that easy for Kas.
On May 17 2012 07:15 revel8 wrote: That last game was funny! Kas gg's despite having twice as much supply! Broodlord infestor pushes are tough to stop!
The overlay was the wrong way round. It was Scarlett that doubled the supply of Kas.
OK. That would make sense! Considering she had more than 70 drones her supply would have to be at least that.
On May 17 2012 07:36 Flightan wrote: This might be even on US but on EU Kas is rolling over her.
???
Scarlett won a game on EU dude. It has less to do with the server and more to do with the fact that Scarlett won't make roaches unless she has lost more than 50 drones. TT
On May 17 2012 07:36 Flightan wrote: This might be even on US but on EU Kas is rolling over her.
???
Scarlett won a game on EU dude. It has less to do with the server and more to do with the fact that Scarlett won't make roaches unless she has lost more than 50 drones. TT
Oh she did? Sorry about that, the last game seemed so one sided that I assumed the lag wasn't helping :|
On May 17 2012 07:36 Flightan wrote: This might be even on US but on EU Kas is rolling over her.
???
Scarlett won a game on EU dude. It has less to do with the server and more to do with the fact that Scarlett won't make roaches unless she has lost more than 50 drones. TT
Oh she did? Sorry about that, the last game seemed so one sided that I assumed the lag wasn't helping :|
I know nothing about the lag. I only know every game she has lost was because she didn't defend early game mass hellion agressive well at all.
The only reason why Kas is winning so effectively is that Scarlett has the same ZvT timings every game which Kas' early game hellion play punishes heavily. This is also true with her infestor-BL transitions and timing, where Kas is making sure to push and punish before she gets her late game established. It's just an issue of being new to the pro-gaming scnee, more time and more training will give her diversity in builds and strategies.
On May 17 2012 07:51 Falconblade wrote: Scarlett's underwhelming so far. I dunno that she deserved as much hype as she got for 1 decent run in IPL.
I think she did, it was an inspiring run, kas is just playing better.
Nah, it was a nice run, but nothing deserving the crazy amount of hype that she got. Scarlett vs. Kas in a straight up series doesn't seem that even. She took a game off Oz? Beat Demuslim after he offered a regame of a game she lost? Beat a couple decent players?
And people make her out to be a top foreigner. A foreigner B-teamer perhaps.
Ah I don´t know... She seems really good in some parts. I like the creep spread and how she held on, but then her defense against hellions, her army compositions.... Too many infs too many corrupters but only 5 roaches. She needs a team, then she can be great i think.
On May 17 2012 07:51 Falconblade wrote: Scarlett's underwhelming so far. I dunno that she deserved as much hype as she got for 1 decent run in IPL.
I think she did, it was an inspiring run, kas is just playing better.
Nah, it was a nice run, but nothing deserving the crazy amount of hype that she got. Scarlett vs. Kas in a straight up series doesn't seem that even. She took a game off Oz? Beat Demuslim after he offered a regame of a game she lost? Beat a couple decent players?
And people make her out to be a top foreigner. A foreigner B-teamer perhaps.
I don't think anyone reasonable thinks she is a top foreigner, but she's showing that she can be one someday.
Good showing by Scarlett, she's obviously still evolving as a player. Had she done a better job of holding the hellion pushes etc in most of the games, she may have taken the series. Look forward to seeing more from her!
was a nice match, definately worth the watch, nice work @Chanman and everyody else involved...
To the actual game: I feel that Kas got a bit annoyed after losing the 5th map (gg, well droned). Probably the reason why he started to commit to his pushes before he was on 200 supply. Scarlett right now overrated, heavy holes in the midgame (supply blocks in the 40-70 range=should not happen to a pro, mucho energy on the inject queens, very greedy, heavy problems with every push that comes before infestors).
On the bright side: creepspread, tries to get fast to T2/T3.
These games were a blast! I hope to see more of Scarlett and I wish she could stream. Loosing all those drones and still staying in it was inspirational and still an epic game. Could care less what the haters say.
On May 17 2012 10:35 MaNaVoId wrote: I didnt get to watch the games, but how the hell did EmpireKas managed to beat Scarlett when she was kicking korean ass in mlg?
Im not sure if this is serious, did you really think scarlett had a fair chance against a calibre player like Kas?
idk if scarlett is good or not because scarlett literally has not done a lot yet to judge. I have a feeling its all just random hype though like it always is. So much overhyping in this community kek, cant wait until who the next person to be hyped up is
On May 17 2012 10:44 askTeivospy wrote: idk if scarlett is good or not because scarlett literally has not done a lot yet to judge. I have a feeling its all just random hype though like it always is. So much overhyping in this community kek, cant wait until who the next person to be hyped up is
On May 17 2012 10:54 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Kas has probably the best TvZ outside korea so taking 2 games is pretty damn good. There aren't many foreign zergs that can do that : \
On May 17 2012 10:54 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Kas has probably the best TvZ outside korea so taking 2 games is pretty damn good. There aren't many foreign zergs that can do that : \
On May 17 2012 10:54 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Kas has probably the best TvZ outside korea so taking 2 games is pretty damn good. There aren't many foreign zergs that can do that : \
luci and thorzain would probably disagree but ye hes at least top 3
On May 17 2012 10:54 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Kas has probably the best TvZ outside korea so taking 2 games is pretty damn good. There aren't many foreign zergs that can do that : \
luci and thorzain would probably disagree but ye hes at least top 3
thorzain probably on par, lucifron beat dimaga 3-0 (who was on vacation), lost to stephano 1-3, and won morrow 2-0 i am not sure if he is better than kas tvz...
On May 17 2012 12:03 brokenLoL wrote: Can't believe Scarlett threw those games… she's not IdrA.
Which is why she tried put up a fight instead of leaving immediately. Sadly, her efforts went in vain in those games (where she fell behind too much in the early game).
On May 17 2012 10:54 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Kas has probably the best TvZ outside korea so taking 2 games is pretty damn good. There aren't many foreign zergs that can do that : \
TvZ is his worst match-up by far though...but still he is a beast at the match-up just because he is The Destroyer of Worlds.
On May 17 2012 10:54 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Kas has probably the best TvZ outside korea so taking 2 games is pretty damn good. There aren't many foreign zergs that can do that : \
TvZ is his worst match-up by far though...but still he is a beast at the match-up just because he is The Destroyer of Worlds.
Yeah he's 42% in the Matchup this year. He's not top 3 Foreign TvZ for 2012 atleast. Lucifron, Demuslim and Thorzain have something like 73, 58 and 59 % in TvZ this year. Though Lucifron has played only a few games, but Demuslim and Thorzain can claim to have played top-class Zergs.
I dunno Osto, I don't know that his TvZ is the the best outside korea.
On May 17 2012 10:54 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Kas has probably the best TvZ outside korea so taking 2 games is pretty damn good. There aren't many foreign zergs that can do that : \
TvZ is his worst match-up by far though...but still he is a beast at the match-up just because he is The Destroyer of Worlds.
Yeah he's 42% in the Matchup this year. He's not top 3 Foreign TvZ for 2012 atleast. Lucifron, Demuslim and Thorzain have something like 73, 58 and 59 % in TvZ this year. Though Lucifron has played only a few games, but Demuslim and Thorzain can claim to have played top-class Zergs.
I dunno Osto, I don't know that his TvZ is the the best outside korea.
Hm, regardless of results, I still think Kas has better TvZ than Demuslim.
I didn't have time to see all games, but I have to say (based on the ones i saw): Scarlett has the best fucking creep spread of all zergs in the world . Unbelieveable. She just has to work a bit on he drop defense and on her decision making. GGs!
On May 17 2012 05:12 CluEleSs_UK wrote: May the best man win!
Funny. You're an asshole.
Glad Scarlet took a couple of games off Kas, but anyone who thought she'd beat that monster is delusional.
He is not an ****, as you said. why must people refer to him as "her"? maybe im new and stuff, but I dont understand why must we consider "him" being "her"..
On May 17 2012 05:12 CluEleSs_UK wrote: May the best man win!
Funny. You're an asshole.
Glad Scarlet took a couple of games off Kas, but anyone who thought she'd beat that monster is delusional.
He is not an ****, as you said. why must people refer to him as "her"? maybe im new and stuff, but I dont understand why must we consider "him" being "her"..
Because as far as i know Scarlett is fully female and its completely fucking irrelevant that all you idiots keep mocking the fact the Scarlett wasn't actually born female. Its ignorant and dumb and paints a horrible image of this community to constantly make it known that Scarlett is transgendered.
Everyone who does it is an asshole and the fact that chino981 got a warning for calling out what could be classified as hatespeech is disgusting.
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