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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
April 22 2012 19:12 GMT
#261
I guess something big happened in DH or s/t, Liquipedia crashed lol
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
April 22 2012 19:12 GMT
#262
That build was an adaption of Hero's build on Talderim. Hero uses it all the time on his stream and has gone around 4-1 with it in tournament play. MC has also used it twice before on Talderim in major tournaments.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#263
On April 23 2012 04:11 legaton wrote:
MC trying to make people believe air units are useful in ZvP

I guess he' s right if the zerg refuses to make infestors


Phoenix pretty good against infestor too, pick them up and they're useless.
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 22 2012 19:14 GMT
#264
On April 23 2012 04:12 Femari wrote:
I guess something big happened in DH or s/t, Liquipedia crashed lol


Nothing that big really. Liquipedia has been acting up since yesterday too.

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Ret lost the first game.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 22 2012 19:14 GMT
#265
On April 23 2012 04:12 Femari wrote:
I guess something big happened in DH or s/t, Liquipedia crashed lol

nothing too big, pretty normal actually result in spoiler
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polt beat ret on day break, up 1-0
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 22 2012 19:14 GMT
#266
Making Infestors against the fastest HTs possible in ZvP... that's sure gonna work
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#267
On April 23 2012 04:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 04:11 legaton wrote:
MC trying to make people believe air units are useful in ZvP

I guess he' s right if the zerg refuses to make infestors


Phoenix pretty good against infestor too, pick them up and they're useless.

or get fungaled and your phoenix are gone...
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#268
On April 23 2012 04:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 04:11 legaton wrote:
MC trying to make people believe air units are useful in ZvP

I guess he' s right if the zerg refuses to make infestors


Phoenix pretty good against infestor too, pick them up and they're useless.


Problem is is that you're probably gonna lose all of your phoenix for one infestor, if you're lucky.
bnanaPEEL
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada138 Posts
April 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#269
So at first, I wasn't too keen on spending money to watch a SC2 tourney when there are so many free ones available at the same time. But, I've watched a few minutes of the free cast and now I'm watching the free Dr. Pepper stream and I gotta say.. MLG is a solid step above everyone else, save GSL but not by much. They're really utilizing the fact that its a weekend long tournament to their advantage, with constant games and good in depth analysis by pros. In fact, I'm definitely going to buy the next "premium pass" for the next one of these just for the pro analyses. The QXC/Josh combo is actually REALLY good, even though they were probably thrown in the pit together last minute. That said, my point is that no matter who's doing it this type of analysis is always going to be awesome as long as you have one affluent pro and another guy with good charisma asking appropriate questions.

Anyways I've been rambling but I feel like this is a big moment in the SC2 tournament scene. Its like watching that new edgy TV show and thinking "this is revolutionary! This will change TV!". Getting down to the nitty griddy of ONE race (note to Day9: doing analysis from both perspectives isn't so hot for basic players) exposes how deep and complex SC2 gameplay at high levels is and will make people appreciate regular games much more. This is what I've been looking for: a cross between GSL and HomeStory Cup, and MLG has delivered.
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
April 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#270
On April 23 2012 04:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 04:12 Femari wrote:
I guess something big happened in DH or s/t, Liquipedia crashed lol

nothing too big, pretty normal actually result in spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
polt beat ret on day break, up 1-0

Interesting.

Liquipedia just acting up I guess.
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SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 19:15:54
April 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#271
this build isnt really new and mc used it a couple of times already. i remember a game between him and dignitaskiller on taldarim. i tried to learn this build but didnt have too much success with it
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ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
April 22 2012 19:17 GMT
#272
On April 23 2012 04:12 MegaFonzie wrote:
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On April 23 2012 04:10 ImmortalTofu wrote:
On April 23 2012 04:07 MegaFonzie wrote:
MC is doing a build by Sage from a year ago by the book. Really cool style


No this was ALOT different. That was simply mass phoenix mass zealot archon. This was much more sophisticated


The only main difference i noticed was faster upgrades for MC and more harrass from Sage. Other than that it seemed really similar to me. What were the main differences you noted?


The attack on the nat seemed to be reactive (unlike Sage's tal' darim attack into the main with chargelot phoenix build), Axslav said he was reliant on that attack doing massive damage, and I would tend to agree, however, I don't think the attack was planned or even neccessary, charge had not even finished when the attack started, templar archives was going down... Not sure what MC saw that prompted him to attack, but the fact that all his tech was so far away from completion makes me think the attack was reactive.

Also, Sage's style was pure zeal archon the whole game. MC transitioned pretty quickly into blink stalker immortal as the hardcounter to the roaches that he forced with the phoenix zealot pushes. Also archons were not a key component in MC's army, rather they were only made after the storms went down, whereas sage didn't use storms afaik or at least didn't prioritize the usage of his templar for storms. Additionally the inclusion of the void ray, and the way that he used the progression of his units to discourage almost any kind of higher tech play was a level of refinement we didn't see from Sage's build
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ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
April 22 2012 19:17 GMT
#273
On April 23 2012 04:15 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
this build isnt really new and mc used it a couple of times already. i remember a game between him and dignitaskiller on taldarim. i tried to learn this build but didnt have too much success with it


No. Again, a ton more refined than the old taldarim main warpin attack. See post above
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
April 22 2012 19:17 GMT
#274
On April 23 2012 04:15 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 04:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 23 2012 04:11 legaton wrote:
MC trying to make people believe air units are useful in ZvP

I guess he' s right if the zerg refuses to make infestors


Phoenix pretty good against infestor too, pick them up and they're useless.

or get fungaled and your phoenix are gone...

Phoenixes don't fly around super clumped, so it's not as effective as against mutas or vikings.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 19:22:12
April 22 2012 19:19 GMT
#275
On April 23 2012 04:15 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 04:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
On April 23 2012 04:11 legaton wrote:
MC trying to make people believe air units are useful in ZvP

I guess he' s right if the zerg refuses to make infestors


Phoenix pretty good against infestor too, pick them up and they're useless.


Problem is is that you're probably gonna lose all of your phoenix for one infestor, if you're lucky.


I'm not talking about sniping infestors, I just mean in a big engage after the initial round of fungals, you can fly in and pick up the infestors. Zerg army doesn't have any real AA except for fungals, so its ezpz. Thats how I do it anyways, though I don't go air too much b/c it needs more micro than I like. It's a bit situational too, depending on if you have a lot of phoenix left from the harass (eg if you have enough gas).

Howver, its one of those tricks that usually ends up really well if you do use it, b/c in a big engage a flock of "reinforcing phoenix" isn't exactly the zerg's first priority. Usually they're focused on landing that chain fungal on your zealots.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 22 2012 19:19 GMT
#276
Heart set to take this series.
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turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
April 22 2012 19:20 GMT
#277
Anyone else h aving problems with sound on 720+?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#278
wow, violet is completely falling apart here
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MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 19:23:43
April 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#279
On April 23 2012 04:17 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 04:12 MegaFonzie wrote:
On April 23 2012 04:10 ImmortalTofu wrote:
On April 23 2012 04:07 MegaFonzie wrote:
MC is doing a build by Sage from a year ago by the book. Really cool style


No this was ALOT different. That was simply mass phoenix mass zealot archon. This was much more sophisticated


The only main difference i noticed was faster upgrades for MC and more harrass from Sage. Other than that it seemed really similar to me. What were the main differences you noted?


The attack on the nat seemed to be reactive (unlike Sage's tal' darim attack into the main with chargelot phoenix build), Axslav said he was reliant on that attack doing massive damage, and I would tend to agree, however, I don't think the attack was planned or even neccessary, charge had not even finished when the attack started, templar archives was going down... Not sure what MC saw that prompted him to attack, but the fact that all his tech was so far away from completion makes me think the attack was reactive.

Also, Sage's style was pure zeal archon the whole game. MC transitioned pretty quickly into blink stalker immortal as the hardcounter to the roaches that he forced with the phoenix zealot pushes. Also archons were not a key component in MC's army, rather they were only made after the storms went down, whereas sage didn't use storms afaik or at least didn't prioritize the usage of his templar for storms. Additionally the inclusion of the void ray, and the way that he used the progression of his units to discourage almost any kind of higher tech play was a level of refinement we didn't see from Sage's build


Hmm I would disagree a bit here. Sage actually hit really early with his zealots as a reaction to Sirius's 3rd as well, before he even started charge. He then teched up to storm after he started charge while continuing to harrass with zealots (which is the only main difference i can think of here, MCs aggression stopped pretty early). Sage did in fact tech up to stalkers with blink after he grabbed his 3rd before he made his big attack in the main however, he moved out with a stalker/phoenix/archon/zealot ball. He was also teching up to colossus behind all this which he used to defend a counter attack to his 3rd. I watched that game so much because at the time it was the single most inspiring piece of protoss play I had seen in starcraft 2.

Edit: Also Sage opened with a void ray too haha.

I won't deny that MCs version is certainly more refined and better with the current metagame, but it really is still incredibly similar to Sage's build in my opinion
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
April 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#280
On April 23 2012 04:21 jmbthirteen wrote:
wow, violet is completely falling apart here

Cheese or Heart playing solid for once?
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