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Femari
United States2900 Posts
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monk
United States8476 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:11 legaton wrote: MC trying to make people believe air units are useful in ZvP I guess he' s right if the zerg refuses to make infestors Phoenix pretty good against infestor too, pick them up and they're useless. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:12 Femari wrote: I guess something big happened in DH or s/t, Liquipedia crashed lol Nothing that big really. Liquipedia has been acting up since yesterday too. + Show Spoiler + Ret lost the first game. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:12 Femari wrote: I guess something big happened in DH or s/t, Liquipedia crashed lol nothing too big, pretty normal actually result in spoiler + Show Spoiler + polt beat ret on day break, up 1-0 | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:13 ticklishmusic wrote: Phoenix pretty good against infestor too, pick them up and they're useless. or get fungaled and your phoenix are gone... | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:13 ticklishmusic wrote: Phoenix pretty good against infestor too, pick them up and they're useless. Problem is is that you're probably gonna lose all of your phoenix for one infestor, if you're lucky. | ||
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bnanaPEEL
Canada138 Posts
Anyways I've been rambling but I feel like this is a big moment in the SC2 tournament scene. Its like watching that new edgy TV show and thinking "this is revolutionary! This will change TV!". Getting down to the nitty griddy of ONE race (note to Day9: doing analysis from both perspectives isn't so hot for basic players) exposes how deep and complex SC2 gameplay at high levels is and will make people appreciate regular games much more. This is what I've been looking for: a cross between GSL and HomeStory Cup, and MLG has delivered. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:14 jmbthirteen wrote: nothing too big, pretty normal actually result in spoiler + Show Spoiler + polt beat ret on day break, up 1-0 Interesting. Liquipedia just acting up I guess. | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:12 MegaFonzie wrote: The only main difference i noticed was faster upgrades for MC and more harrass from Sage. Other than that it seemed really similar to me. What were the main differences you noted? The attack on the nat seemed to be reactive (unlike Sage's tal' darim attack into the main with chargelot phoenix build), Axslav said he was reliant on that attack doing massive damage, and I would tend to agree, however, I don't think the attack was planned or even neccessary, charge had not even finished when the attack started, templar archives was going down... Not sure what MC saw that prompted him to attack, but the fact that all his tech was so far away from completion makes me think the attack was reactive. Also, Sage's style was pure zeal archon the whole game. MC transitioned pretty quickly into blink stalker immortal as the hardcounter to the roaches that he forced with the phoenix zealot pushes. Also archons were not a key component in MC's army, rather they were only made after the storms went down, whereas sage didn't use storms afaik or at least didn't prioritize the usage of his templar for storms. Additionally the inclusion of the void ray, and the way that he used the progression of his units to discourage almost any kind of higher tech play was a level of refinement we didn't see from Sage's build | ||
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:15 ShoWTimE94 wrote: this build isnt really new and mc used it a couple of times already. i remember a game between him and dignitaskiller on taldarim. i tried to learn this build but didnt have too much success with it No. Again, a ton more refined than the old taldarim main warpin attack. See post above | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:15 jmbthirteen wrote: or get fungaled and your phoenix are gone... Phoenixes don't fly around super clumped, so it's not as effective as against mutas or vikings. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:15 Fragile51 wrote: Problem is is that you're probably gonna lose all of your phoenix for one infestor, if you're lucky. I'm not talking about sniping infestors, I just mean in a big engage after the initial round of fungals, you can fly in and pick up the infestors. Zerg army doesn't have any real AA except for fungals, so its ezpz. Thats how I do it anyways, though I don't go air too much b/c it needs more micro than I like. It's a bit situational too, depending on if you have a lot of phoenix left from the harass (eg if you have enough gas). Howver, its one of those tricks that usually ends up really well if you do use it, b/c in a big engage a flock of "reinforcing phoenix" isn't exactly the zerg's first priority. Usually they're focused on landing that chain fungal on your zealots. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
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jmbthirteen
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:17 ImmortalTofu wrote: The attack on the nat seemed to be reactive (unlike Sage's tal' darim attack into the main with chargelot phoenix build), Axslav said he was reliant on that attack doing massive damage, and I would tend to agree, however, I don't think the attack was planned or even neccessary, charge had not even finished when the attack started, templar archives was going down... Not sure what MC saw that prompted him to attack, but the fact that all his tech was so far away from completion makes me think the attack was reactive. Also, Sage's style was pure zeal archon the whole game. MC transitioned pretty quickly into blink stalker immortal as the hardcounter to the roaches that he forced with the phoenix zealot pushes. Also archons were not a key component in MC's army, rather they were only made after the storms went down, whereas sage didn't use storms afaik or at least didn't prioritize the usage of his templar for storms. Additionally the inclusion of the void ray, and the way that he used the progression of his units to discourage almost any kind of higher tech play was a level of refinement we didn't see from Sage's build Hmm I would disagree a bit here. Sage actually hit really early with his zealots as a reaction to Sirius's 3rd as well, before he even started charge. He then teched up to storm after he started charge while continuing to harrass with zealots (which is the only main difference i can think of here, MCs aggression stopped pretty early). Sage did in fact tech up to stalkers with blink after he grabbed his 3rd before he made his big attack in the main however, he moved out with a stalker/phoenix/archon/zealot ball. He was also teching up to colossus behind all this which he used to defend a counter attack to his 3rd. I watched that game so much because at the time it was the single most inspiring piece of protoss play I had seen in starcraft 2. Edit: Also Sage opened with a void ray too haha. I won't deny that MCs version is certainly more refined and better with the current metagame, but it really is still incredibly similar to Sage's build in my opinion | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On April 23 2012 04:21 jmbthirteen wrote: wow, violet is completely falling apart here Cheese or Heart playing solid for once? | ||
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