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zEnVy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
April 21 2012 20:23 GMT
#2021
How does Puma do this?

He just annihilates armies that other terran players can't even fight.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
April 21 2012 20:24 GMT
#2022
Genius has the worst 1A-syndrome in the proscene
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 21 2012 20:24 GMT
#2023
Okay, Genius needs to counter now. This is his timing.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 20:25:12
April 21 2012 20:24 GMT
#2024
On April 22 2012 05:19 Wurstbrot wrote:
Show nested quote +
15k is huge for MLG because each one of those viewers is a paying customer. They're getting a lot of doe; DH is not.


I bet 15k is the number while the free first game. Never ever 15k are so stupid to pay 10$ for a 8-man tourney with so many stupid and senseless games.


30 posts, joined yesterday... Thanks for contributing to the discussion.... The games aren't senseless or stupid and the fact that you get to watch 8 of the best players duke it out is amazing. MLG is doing a great job, Dreamhack is doing a great job. Stop bashing for not reason. At least be on TL for a few months or years before you make shitty posts like these.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
April 21 2012 20:25 GMT
#2025
And the army sac, it's over. Archon zealot for the win.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Sea_aeS
Profile Joined November 2011
1025 Posts
April 21 2012 20:25 GMT
#2026
Wow whata game xD
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 20:26:56
April 21 2012 20:25 GMT
#2027
On April 22 2012 05:23 MCDayC wrote:
Sometimes I forget how good Puma's late game control. Then shit like that happens.


Isn't Genius normally the best player in the world when maxed out?


Yes, in the GSL. Genius was never proficient in compressed tournaments.

EDIT: I've never seen so many proxy expansions on a map before.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
April 21 2012 20:25 GMT
#2028
Hyun fighting!
Everyday Girl's Day~!
zEnVy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
April 21 2012 20:25 GMT
#2029
And then puma throws away an entire army for one nexus.

That's GG
HotShizz
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
France710 Posts
April 21 2012 20:26 GMT
#2030
On April 22 2012 05:21 ChaosArcher wrote:
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On April 22 2012 05:15 MCDayC wrote:
WP TLO.
Mana still hasn't got a clue in PvZ it seems.


damn! i missed TLO?
i waited for his game all day, now i missed it -.-
which stream showed it?
Was he good?


he is playing snute right now on GLHF
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
April 21 2012 20:26 GMT
#2031
Genius vs PuMa was kind of sad :/
WriterMaru
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
April 21 2012 20:26 GMT
#2032
Even Genius's terrible engagements couldn't negate the massive advantage he built up in the midgame
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
lasse1234
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark28 Posts
April 21 2012 20:26 GMT
#2033
On April 22 2012 05:21 ChaosArcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 05:15 MCDayC wrote:
WP TLO.
Mana still hasn't got a clue in PvZ it seems.


damn! i missed TLO?
i waited for his game all day, now i missed it -.-
which stream showed it?
Was he good?

TLO playing here now:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TheGunrun
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 20:27:57
April 21 2012 20:26 GMT
#2034
On April 22 2012 05:17 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
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On April 22 2012 05:08 ken- wrote:
On April 22 2012 05:04 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On April 22 2012 05:00 KalWarkov wrote:
On April 22 2012 04:59 MCDayC wrote:
On April 22 2012 04:55 Asha` wrote:
On April 22 2012 04:54 Azarkon wrote:
On April 22 2012 04:52 ken- wrote:
This MLG/DH partnership is working out great for DH... MLG gave them all there viewers.

15k to 35k+


15k is huge for MLG because each one of those viewers is a paying customer. They're getting a lot of doe; DH is not.


Dreamhack doesn't need to make PPV qualifiers to do well enough to continue to develop and expand ^^

Exactly. Remember when Sundance was saying the PPV would have to be adopted by everyone, and was necessary, as no group was making money, I'm pretty sure the Dreamhack people came out and said they are doing fine.

With the adoption of now being an open tournament (I hated that they did not do that last year) Dreamhack has become pretty much the best tournament, its pretty perfect, aside from the bad map pool.


esl survives for 10 years now without such models, and they do farily ok as well.


With an evolving scene it's possible the business model needs to change, with increasing prizes to players etc. Not saying that is necessarily the case, but it's possible.


This is pretty much the problem. The teams should be sending there players to events not the other way around. Every other professional sport the team pays for travel.

The main problem is most teams aren't ran properly and don't make enough money to do this.



I totally agree with that. My mind was blown by Sundance's statement on Live On Three, that someone needs to pay the price of the players travels, and that MLG might as well be the ones taking the losses. That's not how a sustainable business/industry is supposed to be run. You just don't voluntary take losses for some kind of altruistic reasons just because the teams are not well run enough. I'm not sure if he was FOS when making that statement or if that's actually the way MLG is reasoning.

From MLG:s perspective it's possible it makes sense to pay for travels, but that should basically be considered a subsidy from the prize pool to players/teams who are less likely to take part of the actual prize pool. That is, if they pay for travels, it should reduce the prize pool to compensate in a way that MLG are still not running a loss. If costs are increased in one area, they need to be reduced in others.


I don't think SC is big enough for the travel fees and staff fees organizers dish out each major tournament. The scene grew too big, too fast, imo, and that's why organizers have to resort to these PPV schemes to try and stay afloat. The problem is the viewers, as well - people don't want to watch online tournaments, which forces organizers to go for the broke.

Running an online tourney is easy and cheap. A guy in his spare time is able to run a $1000 online tournament and get a few big names to show up. But the viewers don't want that. They want IPL and MLG to fly in 20+ players from all over the world to a huge, expensive venue, but don't want to pay for it. That's just not going to work.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 21 2012 20:26 GMT
#2035
On April 22 2012 05:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 05:23 MCDayC wrote:
Sometimes I forget how good Puma's late game control. Then shit like that happens.


Isn't Genius normally the best player in the world when maxed out?


Yes, in the GSL. Genius was never proficient in compressed tournaments.

Yup. I like genius, but didn't expect too much from him here.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 20:27:38
April 21 2012 20:27 GMT
#2036
@ Chaosarcher: He played solid vs different openings, had a gamplan and showed a decent micro in the large fights. So basically he didn`t show his typical weaknesses in that matchup.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
April 21 2012 20:27 GMT
#2037
GG! Nice game, pretty cool map.
Grubbegrabbn
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden174 Posts
April 21 2012 20:27 GMT
#2038
On April 22 2012 05:25 iAmJeffReY wrote:
And the army sac, it's over. Archon zealot for the win.


Bad decision making is bad...
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
April 21 2012 20:28 GMT
#2039
Upgrades saved Genius, good choice to end the game when he did... Puma just seems to ALWAYS win battles against protoss if the upgrades are even.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 21 2012 20:28 GMT
#2040
That game was a bit painful to watch, regardless of whom you were cheering for I'd imagine
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