Exactly. Remember when Sundance was saying the PPV would have to be adopted by everyone, and was necessary, as no group was making money, I'm pretty sure the Dreamhack people came out and said they are doing fine.

With the adoption of now being an open tournament (I hated that they did not do that last year) Dreamhack has become pretty much the best tournament, its pretty perfect, aside from the bad map pool.

esl survives for 10 years now without such models, and they do farily ok as well.

With an evolving scene it's possible the business model needs to change, with increasing prizes to players etc. Not saying that is necessarily the case, but it's possible.

This is pretty much the problem. The teams should be sending there players to events not the other way around. Every other professional sport the team pays for travel.

The main problem is most teams aren't ran properly and don't make enough money to do this.

I totally agree with that. My mind was blown by Sundance's statement on Live On Three, that someone needs to pay the price of the players travels, and that MLG might as well be the ones taking the losses. That's not how a sustainable business/industry is supposed to be run. You just don't voluntary take losses for some kind of altruistic reasons just because the teams are not well run enough. I'm not sure if he was FOS when making that statement or if that's actually the way MLG is reasoning.

From MLG:s perspective it's possible it makes sense to pay for travels, but that should basically be considered a subsidy from the prize pool to players/teams who are less likely to take part of the actual prize pool. That is, if they pay for travels, it should reduce the prize pool to compensate in a way that MLG are still not running a loss. If costs are increased in one area, they need to be reduced in others.

I don't think SC is big enough for the travel fees and staff fees organizers dish out each major tournament. The scene grew too big, too fast, imo, and that's why organizers have to resort to these PPV schemes to try and stay afloat. The problem is the viewers, as well - people don't want to watch online tournaments, which forces organizers to go for the broke.

Running an online tourney is easy and cheap. A guy in his spare time is able to run a $1000 online tournament and get a few big names to show up. But the viewers don't want that. They want IPL and MLG to fly in 20+ players from all over the world to a huge, expensive venue, but don't want to pay for it. That's just not going to work.

I think you may be correct. I also think a lot of e-sports fans grew to expect too much for free (a common internet phenomenon). In order to create a sustainable industry with all these mega events, money has to be injected, but a lot of e-sports fans aren't willing or able to pay. In that sense, I think the comparisons made with the amount people pay to go to the cinema are completely valid. You can't expect entertainment for free, at least if you want it high budget which is the direction e-sports have been taking and the direction fans seem to want it to take. Like you said, it's possible the industry grew too big too fast.

mawno

Sweden114 Posts

April 21 2012 20:35 GMT

#2064

Anyone else getting massive video stuttering on the official stream? Sound is fine but it is almost unwatchable for me

TheBanana

Norway2183 Posts

April 21 2012 20:35 GMT

#2065

Was that G1 or 2 of Snute vs TLO?

Asha

United Kingdom38199 Posts

April 21 2012 20:36 GMT

#2066

This is straight out of the SlayerS greed playbook

da_head

Canada3350 Posts

April 21 2012 20:36 GMT

#2067

On April 22 2012 05:35 mawno wrote:
Anyone else getting massive video stuttering on the official stream? Sound is fine but it is almost unwatchable for me

yep same.

Licit

Japan237 Posts

April 21 2012 20:37 GMT

#2068

On April 22 2012 05:36 da_head wrote:

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yep same.

480p fixes that

All Bogs

Netherlands104 Posts

April 21 2012 20:37 GMT

#2069

On April 22 2012 05:35 mawno wrote:
Anyone else getting massive video stuttering on the official stream? Sound is fine but it is almost unwatchable for me

I had the problem earlier today, but it's smooth as silk for me now, so it seems to be an issue on Twitch's end. Try f5'ing or changing to a lower quality setting.

iAmJeffReY

United States4262 Posts

April 21 2012 20:39 GMT

#2070

I hate charge. I hate charge. I hate charge.

TheBanana

Norway2183 Posts

April 21 2012 20:39 GMT

#2071

On April 22 2012 05:35 mawno wrote:
Anyone else getting massive video stuttering on the official stream? Sound is fine but it is almost unwatchable for me

It's smooth for me at 720 and under, 720+ gets some lag spikes.

Edit: scratch that, seems like 720+ is also smooth now.

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

April 21 2012 20:39 GMT

#2072

On April 22 2012 05:35 Kira__ wrote:

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Naugrim is really, really good

but yeah still an upset

In macro games?

AlternativeEgo

Sweden17309 Posts

April 21 2012 20:39 GMT

#2073

iNc is a damn fine commentator. Pleasant voice, he knows some stuff and is very humorous. ^^

On April 22 2012 05:35 Kira__ wrote:

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Naugrim is really, really good

but yeah still an upset

Ume' powwah!

happyness

United States2400 Posts

April 21 2012 20:40 GMT

#2074

Geoff - so smart

Eee

Sweden2712 Posts

April 21 2012 20:40 GMT

#2075

On April 22 2012 05:35 Kira__ wrote:

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Naugrim is really, really good

but yeah still an upset

Yeah, he's just had really bad luck with teams/choked at the lans he has attended. "/
I really hope a good team would pick him up so he could get better opportunities to prove himself.

happyness

United States2400 Posts

April 21 2012 20:41 GMT

#2076

Who needs FF. Puma has factory