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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
April 17 2012 11:50 GMT
#2001
Oh my god, it just hit me. What if Naniwa wins this GSL.

What will I do? I like drinking foreigner fans tears. Oh dear and I actually think he has a chance
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 11:51:23
April 17 2012 11:50 GMT
#2002
On April 17 2012 20:44 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:40 Hider wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:34 Grovbolle wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:32 Hider wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:28 rothsbury wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:25 Grovbolle wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:23 rothsbury wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:20 Grovbolle wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:19 sc14s wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:17 SilentBonjwa wrote:
[quote]

you my friend are a jealous hater.

list of aLives recent victims

MVP (previous Code S)
MMA (previous Code S)
PuMa (IPL qualifier)
DRG (IPL qualifier)
MKP (IPL)
Polt (IPL)
NesTea (IPL)
Leenock (Iron Squid)
MC (Iron Squid)

surely all of those games were based on "luck" and cheesy strats. Truly an overrated player. ye ye cry more pls.

ooops, guess what? fnatic 3-1 TL

Have a nice day.



don't get me wrong alive is good.. but you are just another biased fanboy.


Why don't people realize that against Code S and Code A players, there is nothing "iffy", A win is a win is a win.

There is still luck in the game... people do have build order losses / simple micro screw up. Even against the best players not all games are true reflections of the players' skill, even in b03. The very reason longer series are better is because there is because skill does not perfectly correspond to wins. A worse player can often 2-0 a better player.


So aLive got lucky in every game?

I wasn't talking about the alive thing at all, just arguing that you can't say that a win is never based on luck (I guess that's what meant by nothing "iffy") just because it is against code S / code A players.


Just stop trying. Some ignorant people just cant make a distinction between being really good and having good results.

Alive isn't really good like MKP. He is good, of similar caliber like other good korean terrans such as Ryung, Supernova etc. But he isn't the kind of player you expect to see dominate code S. He is the kidn of player who constantly have to work to just stay in code S.


People like you kind of piss me off, what would you rather:
Be "good" in your definition, or have good results?
I am not saying aLive is the best T in the world, but he has good results.

I do know what the difference is, like yellow in BW, he was fucking good, but never won a gold.

But which is actually better?


Why do you think the discussion is about what I rather want?

This discussion is about being good, not about results, as results vary a lot in the short term. LEsser skilled players can often times get better results in a few tournaments even if they are 10% worse than other players. However long termish we can expect the best players to get best results.

But of course if you dont play the game at a decent level your self, you can't really determine who is good/really good/mediocore, and your best bet is too look at results.


Wow, what a delicate way to say that you know better than me.

Even if this discussion is about being good, instead of producing results, who do you rate as the best?
He who wins the most shit, or he who has more of this "skill" that everyone talks about.
I can appreciate some players who are extremely good but never actually win the big finals (yellow), but in the end, those who win are the ones who win. Not those who are good.


Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million?

Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler.

And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments).

ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good.



hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 17 2012 11:51 GMT
#2003
On April 17 2012 20:41 r4pture wrote:
Gotta say, enjoying Khaldor/Artosis more then Tastosis. Step up yo' game, Nick!

Also....HuK, srsly bro? Doesn't HuK and Idra train with SlayerS, how are they even losing to Terrans at this point? O_o


He moved back to the oGs house, I'm 99% sure
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 11:52:01
April 17 2012 11:51 GMT
#2004
On April 17 2012 20:49 ragnorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:47 FidoDido wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:42 Kiyo. wrote:
So odds on GOM giving Huk a Code S seed next season for no reason?


I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say that Gom will NOT give him a new seed if he doesn't earn it; however if Huk performs well in foreign tournaments between now and Season 3 I don't see why they wouldn't at least offer it to him.

but if he continues to put up the results he's put up so far in 2012 I think GOM will offer the seed to someone else first.

honestly, I'm just glad Gom isn't like KESPA... if this tournament was being run by KESPA and they let foreigners play in qualifiers they still would never in a hundred years (at least I believe them won't) seed a foreigner into their group play.

Kespa did not need foreign money to survive, GOM does which is why they will give seeds into the GSL. It makes complete sense to seed foreigners unfairly to bring in exstra cash

exactly. that's why I said I was glad Gom isn't like KESPA and it still worries me about the KESPA transition and the impact it'll have on current SC2 teams..
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 17 2012 11:51 GMT
#2005
On April 17 2012 20:50 windsupernova wrote:
Oh my god, it just hit me. What if Naniwa wins this GSL.

What will I do? I like drinking foreigner fans tears. Oh dear and I actually think he has a chance


Even if you don't like Naniwa a foreigner winning GSL would be amazing for the popularity of the game.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 17 2012 11:52 GMT
#2006
On April 17 2012 20:50 windsupernova wrote:
Oh my god, it just hit me. What if Naniwa wins this GSL.

What will I do? I like drinking foreigner fans tears. Oh dear and I actually think he has a chance


There's no way dude
Even if he gets to the finals (extremely unlikely) I bet 95% of the Korean scene will assist his opponent in coming up with strats.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 17 2012 11:52 GMT
#2007
ahhhhh huk : (
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 17 2012 11:52 GMT
#2008
On April 17 2012 20:50 FidoDido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:47 RJGooner wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:45 SHOOG wrote:
I don't know what's going on to HuK. He does good in MLG's and stuff, but he just can't seem to get in a groove for GSL's.
I'm happy about aLive winn though(pretty expected).
The Artosis/Khaldor duo was GREAT. I would love to see more.


I think format has a bit to do with it. GSL is a tournament that involves incredibly meticulous preparation and each match you have to know and prepare for your opponent. It could just be that Huk doesn't prepare as well as some of the Koreans.

I highly doubt that since he was part of GSL for so long. I just think his practice partners are lacking compared to who Hack practiced with.. Squirtle (80% winrate vs him? wtf) Parting (god of PvT), Ace (who just 2-0 today) and Naniwa (who 2-0 his code S group).... I mean, if I was a terran player who got to practice with these guys everyday, I would be in heaven!


You're forgetting BO help from Bomber and also Sound who Startale has used as a TvP sniper in the past. Pretty OP training.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
April 17 2012 11:53 GMT
#2009
On April 17 2012 20:51 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:50 windsupernova wrote:
Oh my god, it just hit me. What if Naniwa wins this GSL.

What will I do? I like drinking foreigner fans tears. Oh dear and I actually think he has a chance


Even if you don't like Naniwa a foreigner winning GSL would be amazing for the popularity of the game.


But I like reminding everybody how Koreans own white dudes in Starcraft

I will be left meaningless. (Until next MLG) And Oh God, people will celebrate for days. I can already hear the USA chants
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 17 2012 11:53 GMT
#2010
On April 17 2012 20:50 windsupernova wrote:
Oh my god, it just hit me. What if Naniwa wins this GSL.

What will I do? I like drinking foreigner fans tears. Oh dear and I actually think he has a chance

He might make it out of his group I think but winning the GSL? No way in hell he has a chance..
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 11:56:22
April 17 2012 11:54 GMT
#2011
On April 17 2012 20:42 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:38 Dodgin wrote:
Well it has to be asked..

Poll: Did you enjoy the Khaltosis casting duo?

Yes (263)
 
98%

No (6)
 
2%

269 total votes

Your vote: Did you enjoy the Khaltosis casting duo?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





Not really possible to dislike any Artosis combo. Artosis is by far the best caster out there and he constantly shows it by pairing well with EVERYONE.

And yes there are also some phenomenal pro player-casters but they still cannot make everything work as well as Artosis seems to be able to. Though I do love the Incontrol and Idra combo a ton.

I know i'll probably get flamed for saying this but, I actually prefer Khaldor/Artosis over Tastosis... O_O
Listening to them working together today was a treat... and yes, I agree Artosis with anyone else is generally good as well.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46310 Posts
April 17 2012 11:54 GMT
#2012
Really sad- and surprised- that HuK didn't win x.x
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 11:54:47
April 17 2012 11:54 GMT
#2013
On April 17 2012 20:53 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:50 windsupernova wrote:
Oh my god, it just hit me. What if Naniwa wins this GSL.

What will I do? I like drinking foreigner fans tears. Oh dear and I actually think he has a chance

He might make it out of his group I think but winning the GSL? No way in hell he has a chance..

Yes,+ Show Spoiler +
we
he can.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
April 17 2012 11:55 GMT
#2014
On April 17 2012 20:54 FidoDido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:42 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:38 Dodgin wrote:
Well it has to be asked..

Poll: Did you enjoy the Khaltosis casting duo?

Yes (263)
 
98%

No (6)
 
2%

269 total votes

Your vote: Did you enjoy the Khaltosis casting duo?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





Not really possible to dislike any Artosis combo. Artosis is by far the best caster out there and he constantly shows it by pairing well with EVERYONE.

And yes there are also some phenomenal pro player-casters but they still cannot make everything work as well as Artosis seems to be able to. Though I do love the Incontrol and Idra combo a ton.

I know i'll probably get flamed for saying this but, I actually prefer Khaldor/Artosis over Tastosis... O_O
Listening to them working together today was a treat... and yes, I agree Arotosis with anyone else is generally good as well.


Finally. Someone stops holding the hand over Tasteless. That guy is nothing but mediocore (and terrible when he tries to make bad jokes all the time).

Artosis/Khaldor was a fantastic casting duo.
ShakkaFL
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway647 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 11:56:25
April 17 2012 11:56 GMT
#2015
i just hope gom stops giving him free seeds, he's not gsl caliber
Terran 24/7
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 17 2012 11:56 GMT
#2016
8/8 today

first time in a long time I have everything right, but it wasn't very hard to predict for this round.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 17 2012 11:56 GMT
#2017
On April 17 2012 20:53 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:51 Dodgin wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:50 windsupernova wrote:
Oh my god, it just hit me. What if Naniwa wins this GSL.

What will I do? I like drinking foreigner fans tears. Oh dear and I actually think he has a chance


Even if you don't like Naniwa a foreigner winning GSL would be amazing for the popularity of the game.


But I like reminding everybody how Koreans own white dudes in Starcraft

I will be left meaningless. (Until next MLG) And Oh God, people will celebrate for days. I can already hear the USA chants


Don't get too upset, It's not even remotely likely that it will happen at least in this season too many good TvPers and PvPers that can all beat him.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
April 17 2012 11:56 GMT
#2018
On April 17 2012 20:54 FidoDido wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:42 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:38 Dodgin wrote:
Well it has to be asked..

Poll: Did you enjoy the Khaltosis casting duo?

Yes (263)
 
98%

No (6)
 
2%

269 total votes

Your vote: Did you enjoy the Khaltosis casting duo?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





Not really possible to dislike any Artosis combo. Artosis is by far the best caster out there and he constantly shows it by pairing well with EVERYONE.

And yes there are also some phenomenal pro player-casters but they still cannot make everything work as well as Artosis seems to be able to. Though I do love the Incontrol and Idra combo a ton.

I know i'll probably get flamed for saying this but, I actually prefer Khaldor/Artosis over Tastosis... O_O
Listening to them working together today was a treat... and yes, I agree Arotosis with anyone else is generally good as well.

I'm beginning to like Wolf better, just because I remembered that he is the only that notices the REALLY incredibly important stuff, that Legend seems to point out every game.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
April 17 2012 11:56 GMT
#2019
On April 17 2012 20:53 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:50 windsupernova wrote:
Oh my god, it just hit me. What if Naniwa wins this GSL.

What will I do? I like drinking foreigner fans tears. Oh dear and I actually think he has a chance

He might make it out of his group I think but winning the GSL? No way in hell he has a chance..


Thing is .. he has.

If he makes it out of the group he will go against the winners of group B.

Group B is:

July(Bad vP and has actually lost against Naniwa.. or Huk?)
Hero(PvP which Naniwa is good at)
Leenock(Who has bad vP)
MVP(Bad vP and has lost against Naniwa)

Hahaha It might be the tiredness talking but I can see naniwa doing it
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3815 Posts
April 17 2012 11:56 GMT
#2020
On April 17 2012 20:50 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 20:44 Grovbolle wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:40 Hider wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:34 Grovbolle wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:32 Hider wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:28 rothsbury wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:25 Grovbolle wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:23 rothsbury wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:20 Grovbolle wrote:
On April 17 2012 20:19 sc14s wrote:
[quote]
don't get me wrong alive is good.. but you are just another biased fanboy.


Why don't people realize that against Code S and Code A players, there is nothing "iffy", A win is a win is a win.

There is still luck in the game... people do have build order losses / simple micro screw up. Even against the best players not all games are true reflections of the players' skill, even in b03. The very reason longer series are better is because there is because skill does not perfectly correspond to wins. A worse player can often 2-0 a better player.


So aLive got lucky in every game?

I wasn't talking about the alive thing at all, just arguing that you can't say that a win is never based on luck (I guess that's what meant by nothing "iffy") just because it is against code S / code A players.


Just stop trying. Some ignorant people just cant make a distinction between being really good and having good results.

Alive isn't really good like MKP. He is good, of similar caliber like other good korean terrans such as Ryung, Supernova etc. But he isn't the kind of player you expect to see dominate code S. He is the kidn of player who constantly have to work to just stay in code S.


People like you kind of piss me off, what would you rather:
Be "good" in your definition, or have good results?
I am not saying aLive is the best T in the world, but he has good results.

I do know what the difference is, like yellow in BW, he was fucking good, but never won a gold.

But which is actually better?


Why do you think the discussion is about what I rather want?

This discussion is about being good, not about results, as results vary a lot in the short term. LEsser skilled players can often times get better results in a few tournaments even if they are 10% worse than other players. However long termish we can expect the best players to get best results.

But of course if you dont play the game at a decent level your self, you can't really determine who is good/really good/mediocore, and your best bet is too look at results.


Wow, what a delicate way to say that you know better than me.

Even if this discussion is about being good, instead of producing results, who do you rate as the best?
He who wins the most shit, or he who has more of this "skill" that everyone talks about.
I can appreciate some players who are extremely good but never actually win the big finals (yellow), but in the end, those who win are the ones who win. Not those who are good.


Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million?

Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler.

And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments).

ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good.


So what is you point?
aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc?
Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results?
Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck.
But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row?

Walking away from this discussion now.
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