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DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
August 31 2012 12:36 GMT
#261
Maybe we should use those maps from Trial of the Xelnaga....
Empirimancer
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada1024 Posts
August 31 2012 19:10 GMT
#262
Is there a tournament next Monday (September 3rd) ?

DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
August 31 2012 20:23 GMT
#263
Yes there is. We'll set up the tournament on z33k later today.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
September 02 2012 19:40 GMT
#264
The tournament is all set up at z33k so sign up!
SpyNinja
Profile Joined December 2011
United States78 Posts
September 02 2012 19:47 GMT
#265
haha me and my friend are gonna sign up. prob wont win but itll be fun
MicroMonkey
Profile Joined April 2012
95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 12:37:30
September 03 2012 12:37 GMT
#266
Hilow platinum up.
I have done some statistics from several 2v2 tournaments. I dont have big numbers jet and not 100% accurate, but all 4 tournaments have teams that are mid to high ranked. And ofc platinum up have been used=) so thx here is the NR.

And this is how its is.

TP vs TZ 21 / 34
TP vs PZ 30 / 42
PZ vs TZ 41 / 40

PP vs anything 15 / 34
ZZ vs anything 14 / 29
TT vs anything 4 / 10

(have watched over 300 replays.... omg) I have made how many times TP vs TZ on all diffrent maps too but that NR is to small. But I can say this so fare.

Don´t play TP on molten crater! don´t

But TZ vs PZ looks kind of balanced. TP is having tubbel. but dubbel race have big trubbel where PP is worst off.
xNSwarm
Profile Joined December 2011
155 Posts
September 03 2012 13:47 GMT
#267
On September 03 2012 21:37 MicroMonkey wrote:
Hilow platinum up.
I have done some statistics from several 2v2 tournaments. I dont have big numbers jet and not 100% accurate, but all 4 tournaments have teams that are mid to high ranked. And ofc platinum up have been used=) so thx here is the NR.

And this is how its is.

TP vs TZ 21 / 34
TP vs PZ 30 / 42
PZ vs TZ 41 / 40

PP vs anything 15 / 34
ZZ vs anything 14 / 29
TT vs anything 4 / 10

(have watched over 300 replays.... omg) I have made how many times TP vs TZ on all diffrent maps too but that NR is to small. But I can say this so fare.

Don´t play TP on molten crater! don´t

But TZ vs PZ looks kind of balanced. TP is having tubbel. but dubbel race have big trubbel where PP is worst off.

PP is very, very map dependent. There are a large number of allins that need very specific responses from both players to hold. Some tournaments limit the veto count or have strange maps. If you haven't already practiced on them you can easily lose to diamonds even if you are top 50 NA.
NrT.RuSH
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany214 Posts
September 03 2012 14:30 GMT
#268
PP is very strong just people play it wrong. Only team who plays it right is Superninja and Azide
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Toboe
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 15:40:31
September 03 2012 15:37 GMT
#269
Here's some stats from just Plat'n'Up replays:

+ Show Spoiler [Stats] +
502 replays
Matchup    Wins  Losses   Win %   Total Games

Mirror Matches:
TT v TT N/A N/A 100.00% 0
PP v PP N/A N/A 100.00% 5
ZZ v ZZ N/A N/A 100.00% 1
PZ v PZ N/A N/A 100.00% 46
PT v PT N/A N/A 100.00% 36
TZ v TZ N/A N/A 100.00% 56

Matches (in order of total games):
TT v ZZ 0 0 100.00% 0
TT v PP 2 0 100.00% 2
PP v ZZ 1 2 33.33% 3
PP v TZ 0 6 0.00% 6
TT v TP 6 2 75.00% 8
TT v PZ 6 3 66.67% 9
PP v PT 3 7 30.00% 10
TT v TZ 5 6 45.45% 11
ZZ v ZT 2 10 16.67% 12
ZZ v PZ 6 7 46.15% 13
ZZ v PT 7 8 46.67% 15
PP v PZ 4 12 25.00% 16
PT v TZ 27 39 40.91% 66
PZ v PT 45 49 47.87% 94
PZ v TZ 44 49 47.31% 93

Totals for each race combination:
TT Total 19 11 63.33% 30
PP Total 8 29 21.62% 42
ZZ Total 17 26 39.53% 44
PT Total 93 100 48.19% 229
PZ Total 111 114 49.33% 271
TZ Total 110 78 58.51% 244


Some important things to note:
  • The number of games and overall level of play are both too low to definitively say anything about balance. However, as a 2v2 community we can see where we need the most work right now.
  • Double Race (PP, TT, ZZ) teams are hugely under-represented. Solid strategies for these teams are almost nonexistent and we really can't come to any conclusion about balance on such ridiculously small numbers. Nonetheless, it does appear that PP - and to a lesser extent ZZ - needs help in coming up with solid strategies that not only survive early game but are effective in the late game.

Matchups having problems:
  • PPvPZ - as stated before, PP needs help in general
  • PTvTZ - Some extra work will have to go in here to see what TZ strategies are most successful and how PT can adjust.
  • ZZvTZ - like PP, ZZ is statistically weak overall, very underrepresented, and TZ is - by far - the most developed race combo as far as strategy goes


edit: as others have said above, and I just want to emphasize - I'm not saying PP is underpowered, but they are definitely not being played "correctly" by most people for the current manifold of 2v2 strategy.
Immortals are your friend, you can tell by the way they waddle at you
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
September 03 2012 16:12 GMT
#270
Wow, look at the OP ratios for TTvZZ. So good.
xNSwarm
Profile Joined December 2011
155 Posts
September 03 2012 16:37 GMT
#271
On September 03 2012 23:30 NrT.RuSH wrote:
PP is very strong just people play it wrong. Only team who plays it right is Superninja and Azide

Do you know where I could find some of their replays? A friend and I play pp at top 50 NA, but almost all of our losses come from early allins. I would love to see the proper way to scout and hold them off.
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
September 03 2012 17:41 GMT
#272
On September 03 2012 21:37 MicroMonkey wrote:
Hilow platinum up.
I have done some statistics from several 2v2 tournaments. I dont have big numbers jet and not 100% accurate, but all 4 tournaments have teams that are mid to high ranked. And ofc platinum up have been used=) so thx here is the NR.

And this is how its is.

TP vs TZ 21 / 34
TP vs PZ 30 / 42
PZ vs TZ 41 / 40

PP vs anything 15 / 34
ZZ vs anything 14 / 29
TT vs anything 4 / 10

(have watched over 300 replays.... omg) I have made how many times TP vs TZ on all diffrent maps too but that NR is to small. But I can say this so fare.

Don´t play TP on molten crater! don´t

But TZ vs PZ looks kind of balanced. TP is having tubbel. but dubbel race have big trubbel where PP is worst off.


good start on some data mining to balance the matchups. ilike how new maps are used too. i would also like to say some maps imho are imbalanced. i think you did a good job of identifying them. i would take out magma core and put in desolate stronghold . thats just my two cents.
i like cheese
AngryProbe
Profile Joined July 2011
United States8 Posts
September 03 2012 19:36 GMT
#273
azide and superninja switched to pz at least that is what they were playing on ladder the other night
phunnykidd
Profile Joined January 2012
United States22 Posts
September 03 2012 20:50 GMT
#274
anyone want a partner for this? diamond 1's and 2's
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
September 03 2012 23:19 GMT
#275
Tournament starting in a little over an hour, guys. Find a buddy and sign up!
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
September 04 2012 00:01 GMT
#276
Check in has started, but you still sign up!

Please. Please sign up.
Empirimancer
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 01:55:21
September 04 2012 00:55 GMT
#277
This tournament...


DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
September 08 2012 17:17 GMT
#278
Don't forget to sign up for next week's tournament! Its going to be drunken celebration of our 21st tournament! Come drink and be merry!
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
September 10 2012 00:42 GMT
#279
Tournament in 24 hours! Grab some alcohol and sign up!
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 00:21:16
September 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#280
Less than an hour before the next tournament! Quickly sign up!

To celebrate our 21st Tourney, we're going to participate in our own drinking game.

Take a shot if:
The overlay is messed up in the beginning.
We take time to thank our sponsors...
A Protoss goes 1-base Colossus
A player/team leaves the tournament before the semifinals
If the music is left on during a game.
If the casters talk over each other, take a drink.

Finish your drink if:
We mess up which units are for which player
A player/team leaves the tournament in the semifinals or finals.
The stream crashes.

If you just want to watch and drink: http://www.twitch.tv/toboesc
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