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What is The Round Table Podcast and Showmatch series?
The Round Table is a new weekly podcast and showmatch series that will be hosted by Gretorp, Doa, and GoSuRuM. Each week we will be accompanied by two guest players, that will take part in an hour long podcast, followed by a BO 7 Showmatch. The Podcast will cover a range of topics in our scene, as well as a 15 minute segment of user questions. Immediately following the showmatch will take place. We will also be joined by a translator for this weeks show.
When will this event take place?
4/4/12 at 9:00 PM PST. The event will be recurring every Wednesday night at 9:00 PM PST
Where will this be streamed?
http://www.own3d.tv/live/271585/GoSuRuM
Results:
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Cool, really looking forward to seeing them duke it out. 
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incontrol definitely got this series in control, show them who is the real boss.
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I missed it when you had Australians on this show.
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for all those NA grandmasters complaining that getting top tier recognition is all politics and a comedy show....
well check out DDE...
DDE got next to zero microphone time at the MLG Winter Arena.. but his results do his talking for him.
he is getting these opportunities based upon his results not based on any comedy show livestreaming.
no politics here folks... all merit.
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Great choice of players and matchup; looking forward to this.
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On March 29 2012 18:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
for all those NA grandmasters complaining that getting top tier recognition is all politics and a comedy show....
well check out DDE...
DDE got next to zero microphone time at the MLG Winter Arena.. but his results do his talking for him.
he is getting these opportunities based upon his results not based on any comedy show livestreaming.
no politics here folks... all merit.
Umm, dde is on the team that the host (rumcake) manages  Not saying dde doesn't deserve credit, cuz he really does, but your example here is really wrong lol.
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On March 29 2012 20:24 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 18:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
for all those NA grandmasters complaining that getting top tier recognition is all politics and a comedy show....
well check out DDE...
DDE got next to zero microphone time at the MLG Winter Arena.. but his results do his talking for him.
he is getting these opportunities based upon his results not based on any comedy show livestreaming.
no politics here folks... all merit. Umm, dde is on the team that the host (rumcake) manages Not saying dde doesn't deserve credit, cuz he really does, but your example here is really wrong lol.
they could've chosen a more "charismatic personality" on their team
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On March 30 2012 00:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 20:24 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:On March 29 2012 18:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
for all those NA grandmasters complaining that getting top tier recognition is all politics and a comedy show....
well check out DDE...
DDE got next to zero microphone time at the MLG Winter Arena.. but his results do his talking for him.
he is getting these opportunities based upon his results not based on any comedy show livestreaming.
no politics here folks... all merit. Umm, dde is on the team that the host (rumcake) manages Not saying dde doesn't deserve credit, cuz he really does, but your example here is really wrong lol. they could've chosen a more "charismatic personality" on their team
I can safely say I've never seen an ItsGosu player interviewed.
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iNcontroL fighting!
Take this please
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nice looking forward to dde content. for canada!
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gl iNcontroL watch out for those DDE drops : )
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incontrol still thinks he is a top tier player.. sadly not in the range of dde
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On March 31 2012 11:00 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
incontrol still thinks he is a top tier player.. sadly not in the range of dde
I think incontrol will win, or atleast take a minimum of two games. You're talking out of your ass.
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Gonna be some good games to cast tomorrow night, I am looking forward to it 
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On April 01 2012 10:33 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:00 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
incontrol still thinks he is a top tier player.. sadly not in the range of dde I think incontrol will win, or atleast take a minimum of two games. You're talking out of your ass.
based on what? He has a winratio of sub 40% internationally (35ish) and I can remember last time I saw him take a series of a notable player. Incontrol does in no way get these types of showmatches based on merit, anyone claimin so is making a fool of himself. People tend to like him though so fair enough. Its all about getting viewers, good or not is for the individual to judge.
edit' seing that this also contains an hour long podcast with the players getting incontrol makes alot of sense. Disregarding his status as a player he is definatly a huge SC2 characther.
DDE will smash him though, any money bet on inc is...well... make sure you get good odds :p
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HOLY $$$$ NOW I KNOW WHAT IM DOING TONIGHT!
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iNcontroL
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going to gym and then it's game time
hope to give some gg's!
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thought dde didn't play anymore, is he active at all?
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On April 05 2012 11:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
thought dde didn't play anymore, is he active at all?
? he's been active, he was at mlg, etc, he never stopped playing
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On April 05 2012 10:52 iNcontroL wrote:going to gym and then it's game time hope to give some gg's!
haha you should say you hope to receive some GG's and give some good games  Go Geoff!
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On April 04 2012 14:32 doffe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 10:33 Kira__ wrote:On March 31 2012 11:00 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
incontrol still thinks he is a top tier player.. sadly not in the range of dde I think incontrol will win, or atleast take a minimum of two games. You're talking out of your ass. based on what? He has a winratio of sub 40% internationally (35ish) and I can remember last time I saw him take a series of a notable player. Incontrol does in no way get these types of showmatches based on merit, anyone claimin so is making a fool of himself. People tend to like him though so fair enough. Its all about getting viewers, good or not is for the individual to judge. edit' seing that this also contains an hour long podcast with the players getting incontrol makes alot of sense. Disregarding his status as a player he is definatly a huge SC2 characther. DDE will smash him though, any money bet on inc is...well... make sure you get good odds :p
You havn't watched him in 2012 then. He has done quite well so far.
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This showmatch is full of so much talent! I admire DDE's solid terran play almost as much as i admire incontrol's amazing ability to entertain and make people laugh on SOTG! =D
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Rootin for mah bro DDE!!! :D
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On April 04 2012 14:32 doffe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 10:33 Kira__ wrote:On March 31 2012 11:00 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
incontrol still thinks he is a top tier player.. sadly not in the range of dde I think incontrol will win, or atleast take a minimum of two games. You're talking out of your ass. based on what? He has a winratio of sub 40% internationally (35 ish) and I can remember last time I saw him take a series of a notable player. Incontrol does in no way get these types of showmatches based on merit, anyone claimin so is making a fool of himself. People tend to like him though so fair enough. Its all about getting viewers, good or not is for the individual to judge. edit' seing that this also contains an hour long podcast with the players getting incontrol makes alot of sense. Disregarding his status as a player he is definatly a huge SC2 characther. DDE will smash him though, any money bet on inc is...well... make sure you get good odds :p
check6 Sleep, thorzain.
not that hard.
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I like both players but DDE has a special place in my heart.
DDE FIGHTING!!!!
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Pffft yall crazy incontrols going to demolish DDE. No Chance.
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that was so bad by incontrol jeez man
could have expanded much earlier instead of warping in 4 useless zealots and been double the worker count
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that game was horrible!
pick it up incontrol come on
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bleh.. he overcommitted. If he backs off and defends he wins :/
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that was a really bizzarre game. Thought iNc had it for sure, but it slipped away
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iNcontroL
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lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!!
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That game was embarrassing by iNcontroL.
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What's the overall score?
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On April 05 2012 14:21 jeeneeus wrote:
What's the overall score?
1-0 dde
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nice move by incontrol to check for expo but then runs a zealot in to a bunker lol
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On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!!
Not thinking I know better than you Go get these next games dude :D
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On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!!
YOU CALLED?
also, I have no idea what happened in Game 1 because I missed it 
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On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!!
What do you want people to say? You played perfectly? You messed up, it's easy to see, you know it, everyone else knows it, don't let it get to you that people point it out.
Also I'm top 25 forum grandmaster league.
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this banshee harass is doing more damage than it should methinks
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iNcontroL
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On April 05 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!! What do you want people to say? You played perfectly? You messed up, it's easy to see, you know it, everyone else knows it, don't let it get to you that people point it out. Also I'm top 25 forum grandmaster league.
Ah there he is! The guy who follows all my threads just to hate LOL SUP?
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damn incontrol needs to use 2 control groups when defending against harass like that, his colossus timing would have killed dse if he didn't lose so many probes> i think incontrol is gonna take the next 1-2 games though
incontrol why do you visit the forum in between each match lol
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On April 05 2012 14:33 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 14:27 Ruscour wrote:On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!! What do you want people to say? You played perfectly? You messed up, it's easy to see, you know it, everyone else knows it, don't let it get to you that people point it out. Also I'm top 25 forum grandmaster league. Ah there he is! The guy who follows all my threads just to hate LOL SUP?
You mean the guy who you abused a few weeks back for pointing out why people were upset after you said you hadn't practiced for 2 months?
Not much, you?
+ Show Spoiler +I'm actually a fan but whatever
EDIT: I just realised, "all"? There was one other occasion...
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On April 05 2012 14:34 EleanorRIgby wrote:
damn incontrol needs to use 2 control groups when defending against harass like that, his colossus timing would have killed dse if he didn't lose so many probes> i think incontrol is gonna take the next 1-2 games though
incontrol why do you visit the forum in between each match lol
But it's so much easier to put 100+ supply of units on one hotkey! It has been ordained by the SC2 gods.
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Was blink done when that drop happened, or did it only finish half way through? Really sexy if he pretended he didn't have it so he got the medivacs after the bio died, I wasn't paying close enough attention to see if that was the case or not.
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On April 05 2012 14:43 Ruscour wrote:
Was blink done when that drop happened, or did it only finish half way through? Really sexy if he pretended he didn't have it so he got the medivacs after the bio died, I wasn't paying close enough attention to see if that was the case or not.
It finished before so he faked him out nicely.
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On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!!
Heh if you want to be a pro you will take criticism. You don't need to be better than someone at something to comment on their play.
I do agree though that a lot of criticism is way too harsh, but unfortunately the spotlight comes with its pros and cons :/.
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Always sucks base racing a Terran.
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Ahhh that 3rd game was so close...
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Very strange games what the hell is happening?~?~?~?
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On April 05 2012 14:51 nvs. wrote:
Always sucks base racing a Terran.
yea i think a hidden dt shrine would have saved him though, he had pretty good ht control though
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once that base race was started, i knew it was the beginning of the end
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How did Geoff lose that >_< seriously
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On April 05 2012 14:52 RJGooner wrote:
How did Geoff lose that >_< seriously
short answer: medivacs
long answer: engagement wasn't the best, lost a lot of zealots for essentially nothing, and positioning too. DDE had no capacity to make more units or anything, maybe if he sat on top of the ramp to the natural he could force DDE to attack into an unfavourable position...I dunno though, terrans in basetrades x.x
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8 high templar and the stronger army.... how, like how u mess that up...
he was favoured in that base race yet i don't even know how u mess that up
8 high templar
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so is it 3:0 for DDE now?
can't watch at the moment.
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I think Gretorp put it best, "he has jitters all over him"
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This one will be over fast.
Ohhhh the warp prism could be nice.
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Awww... Geoff we know you're better than this.
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No post-game interview?
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illsick
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kinda want to see incontrol go to korea now to work on his multitasking
he didn't seem to be in good form today
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Why does incontrol feel the need to respond to random TL members? It makes him look bad.
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What did Geoff say just now right before he GG'd??? I always miss what they type and I look at the last second and its too late!!
Someone plz quote him even if its not verbatim exactly!!!
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On April 05 2012 15:06 Probasaur wrote:
What did Geoff say just now right before he GG'd??? I always miss what they type and I look at the last second and its too late!!
Someone plz quote him even if its not verbatim exactly!!!
He said these were some odd games... followed by "i'm going to go lobotomize myself now".
He was somewhat disappointed with his play...
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On April 05 2012 15:06 illsick wrote:
kinda want to see incontrol go to korea now to work on his multitasking
he didn't seem to be in good form today
I don't really think Korea would make that much of a tangible difference. He already has pretty deep training at his disposal.
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Yeah I could see why he would be disappointed. DDE is good so you haveta take the into consideration, its just really hard to watch someone I respect so much in the community play as though he was back in beta just like gretorp said.
I was just talking to my screen saying "go back up the ramp.... go back up..... go backkkklkkk whyyyyyy" as he moved down, did some good damage had perfect FF... then he sat there and let the terran kill all but 1 sentry. Very unfortunate.
I really don't know what to make of it, I can only assume he doesn't play enough games. I think he's afraid to commit to going into seclusion and doing nothing but train because if he comes out and isn't any better it will mean something that he doesn't want to know.
But I honestly think thats what needs to be done. No more SOTG or ITG as much as I love them both and Incontrol is a huge part of why the talk shows are as great as they are, he needs ZERO distractions. Really tho I don't think one or two hours a week is what the real main distractions are. Its just where his head is at, if he doesn't have the determination to commit to the game then he'll never get better and then it doesn't matter whats distracting him.
Although I'd like to know if its something like he is committed to getting better but being in a team house with all your closest friends always around you joking having fun and talking. Then also living with a stunning fiance.... hell I wouldn't be able to even look at my screen to play I would just have my eyes on her all day. He needs to play 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. Same with Nony. Its so frustrating because these guys clearly played tons of BW and practiced a lot to get to where they were in that game. And where they got to was near the highest level.... so we know they're more than capable. We know its there they just have to reach out and take it.
Or maybe not........but I hope that isn't the case.
With the best intentions not trying to take a shot at anyone, just like the rest of this post, I think you might benefit from going to talk with a psychiatrist Geoff. I hear a lot of actors and comedians I listen to on podcasts openly talk about it and how it greatly helps them. Idk man I want you to be on that top tier right away more than anything. I think its pretty obvious tho from this post that I'm also invested in your story personally, mostly just because I'm curious as to why you aren't improving and if you do start to improve I'd want to know what changes you made, if any, and what you think is holding you back right now.
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On April 05 2012 15:15 Probasaur wrote:
Yeah I could see why he would be disappointed. DDE is good so you haveta take the into consideration, its just really hard to watch someone I respect so much in the community play as though he was back in beta just like gretorp said.
I was just talking to my screen saying "go back up the ramp.... go back up..... go backkkklkkk whyyyyyy" as he moved down, did some good damage had perfect FF... then he sat there and let the terran kill all but 1 sentry. Very unfortunate.
I really don't know what to make of it, I can only assume he doesn't play enough games. I think he's afraid to commit to going into seclusion and doing nothing but train because if he comes out and isn't any better it will mean something that he doesn't want to know.
But I honestly think thats what needs to be done. No more SOTG or ITG as much as I love them both and Incontrol is a huge part of why the talk shows are as great as they are, he needs ZERO distractions. He needs to play 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. Same with Nony. Its so frustrating because these guys clearly played tons of BW and practiced a lot to get to where they were in that game. And where they got to was near the highest level.... so we know they're more than capable. We know its there they just have to reach out and take it.
Or maybe not........but I hope that isn't the case.
It's quite boggling when we see the success of some players who really don't practice hard at all (like Stephano, CrazymoviNG et al who only play for a few hours a day) do really well when there are players playing as much (probably more) than a full-time job that aren't nearly as good. I don't understand it at all. Not saying anyone is at fault, but maybe players need to look at how they're spending their time, or get more input from other progamers, or get a coach, or something, I'm not really sure.
And I'm definitely not implying that Tyler practices a lot
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On April 05 2012 15:23 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 15:15 Probasaur wrote:
Yeah I could see why he would be disappointed. DDE is good so you haveta take the into consideration, its just really hard to watch someone I respect so much in the community play as though he was back in beta just like gretorp said.
I was just talking to my screen saying "go back up the ramp.... go back up..... go backkkklkkk whyyyyyy" as he moved down, did some good damage had perfect FF... then he sat there and let the terran kill all but 1 sentry. Very unfortunate.
I really don't know what to make of it, I can only assume he doesn't play enough games. I think he's afraid to commit to going into seclusion and doing nothing but train because if he comes out and isn't any better it will mean something that he doesn't want to know.
But I honestly think thats what needs to be done. No more SOTG or ITG as much as I love them both and Incontrol is a huge part of why the talk shows are as great as they are, he needs ZERO distractions. He needs to play 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. Same with Nony. Its so frustrating because these guys clearly played tons of BW and practiced a lot to get to where they were in that game. And where they got to was near the highest level.... so we know they're more than capable. We know its there they just have to reach out and take it.
Or maybe not........but I hope that isn't the case. It's quite boggling when we see the success of some players who really don't practice hard at all (like Stephano, CrazymoviNG et al who only play for a few hours a day) do really well when there are players playing as much (probably more) than a full-time job that aren't nearly as good. I don't understand it at all. Not saying anyone is at fault, but maybe players need to look at how they're spending their time, or get more input from other progamers, or get a coach, or something, I'm not really sure. And I'm definitely not implying that Tyler practices a lot
Some people just have a natural born talent to do certain things in this world.
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On April 05 2012 15:06 IPA wrote:
Why does incontrol feel the need to respond to random TL members? It makes him look bad.
I am not an Incontrol fan but i think it is cool that he does post here as much as he does and it will be a sad day when pros (whether u like/hate them) feel that they need to stay away.
The one thing about gaming is that there tends to be closer interaction between the players and the fans than other competitions so it would suck if that changes.
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I think its great he still posts here. But I wish he wouldn't be so defensive and take everything as an insult when really the majority of us are just disappointed fans.
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DDE's actually really good. Last showmatch he did he crushed Sheth
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DDE is the best Terran in Canada. He's incredibly good.
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On April 05 2012 18:16 Kyhol wrote:
DDE is the best Terran in Canada. He's incredibly good.
Now you're just being modest. :p
Have not seen your stream in ages. You have not quit the game, have you?
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Yeah I said that too but also guys you have to still take the games themselves at face value. It doesn't matter who is playing when you watch and see a lot of mistakes and poor multitasking. Now my multitasking is pritty horrid. So if I was moving down a ramp with all my sentries + immortals I'm not about to engage, switch to my drop, and then come back to find it dead. I wouldve pushed down, did the dmg, and pulled back FF my ramp, then go to my drop..... If its still there d:
Inc<3 just talkin man not saying Im better, just saying..... not really sure what I'm saying its 5am and i keep waking up o_o
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Ouch, that was brutal.
DDE is good, no shame to lose to him. He always make me think of a lesser version of SeleCt.
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On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!!
I really hope this is just a way for you to blow off some steam and not take the losses too seriously. Otherwise no good comes out of checking the forums after losing 0-4. Especially since you get so defensive.
I mean everyone knows you're practicing hard and that you're improving on paper and getting results. No shame in losing to DDE either, hes incredibly solid.
Also, not everyone whose critical is a hater, most of the time they just care.
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On April 05 2012 18:33 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!! I really hope this is just a way for you to blow off some steam and not take the losses too seriously. Otherwise no good comes out of checking the forums after losing 0-4. Especially since you get so defensive. I mean everyone knows you're practicing hard and that you're improving on paper and getting results. No shame in losing to DDE either, hes incredibly solid. Also, not everyone whose critical is a hater, most of the time they just care.
This was during, just after he bungled the first game. Really not good for mindset.
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On April 05 2012 18:42 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 18:33 Angelbelow wrote:On April 05 2012 14:18 iNcontroL wrote:
lol
here they come! THE FORUM GRANDMASTERS!!! I really hope this is just a way for you to blow off some steam and not take the losses too seriously. Otherwise no good comes out of checking the forums after losing 0-4. Especially since you get so defensive. I mean everyone knows you're practicing hard and that you're improving on paper and getting results. No shame in losing to DDE either, hes incredibly solid. Also, not everyone whose critical is a hater, most of the time they just care. This was during, just after he bungled the first game. Really not good for mindset.
Thats really bad. It doesnt matter if you are winning or losing. You cant go into a game thinking about what forum posters are talking about you.
I hope Incontrol does well next time.
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On April 05 2012 15:33 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 15:23 Ruscour wrote:On April 05 2012 15:15 Probasaur wrote:
Yeah I could see why he would be disappointed. DDE is good so you haveta take the into consideration, its just really hard to watch someone I respect so much in the community play as though he was back in beta just like gretorp said.
I was just talking to my screen saying "go back up the ramp.... go back up..... go backkkklkkk whyyyyyy" as he moved down, did some good damage had perfect FF... then he sat there and let the terran kill all but 1 sentry. Very unfortunate.
I really don't know what to make of it, I can only assume he doesn't play enough games. I think he's afraid to commit to going into seclusion and doing nothing but train because if he comes out and isn't any better it will mean something that he doesn't want to know.
But I honestly think thats what needs to be done. No more SOTG or ITG as much as I love them both and Incontrol is a huge part of why the talk shows are as great as they are, he needs ZERO distractions. He needs to play 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. Same with Nony. Its so frustrating because these guys clearly played tons of BW and practiced a lot to get to where they were in that game. And where they got to was near the highest level.... so we know they're more than capable. We know its there they just have to reach out and take it.
Or maybe not........but I hope that isn't the case. It's quite boggling when we see the success of some players who really don't practice hard at all (like Stephano, CrazymoviNG et al who only play for a few hours a day) do really well when there are players playing as much (probably more) than a full-time job that aren't nearly as good. I don't understand it at all. Not saying anyone is at fault, but maybe players need to look at how they're spending their time, or get more input from other progamers, or get a coach, or something, I'm not really sure. And I'm definitely not implying that Tyler practices a lot Some people just have a natural born talent to do certain things in this world.
And guys whiteout that Talent shouldn't try to become a pro sportsman... Because in like 99.999999999% "hard work" won't do the trick when you need to beat the top 0.00~1% on a regular basis (how many digits behind the 0 depends on the sport you pick )...
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Incontrol cares why too much about what other people say about him. Just go watch the replay or check the BO of your opponent between the matches, but do not go to the TL forums and read the haters.
Don't tell everyone how much you improved lately either. Train harder, win games. Then it's time to brag.
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Better luck next time Geoff, well played DDE.
Yes I am an Incontrol fan, results or not it is how he feels he played that counts :D
<3 Much love to both competitors.
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I knew who was going to win - but I never predicted a 4:0.
GG DDE, an under-rated player for sure.
It really is one of the mysterys of E-sports - how you can maintain a player role on EG, America's premier team, with repeated results like this.
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On April 05 2012 20:31 resilve wrote:
I knew who was going to win - but I never predicted a 4:0.
GG DDE, an under-rated player for sure.
It really is one of the mysterys of E-sports - how you can maintain a player role on EG, America's premier team, with repeated results like this.
It is far from a mystery. His community involvement makes him worth more to EG than he's probably getting paid, SirScoots has said that.
It's Lz that's a mystery to me.
edit: I'm an Axslav fan so I'm probably salty
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On April 01 2012 10:33 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:00 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
incontrol still thinks he is a top tier player.. sadly not in the range of dde I think incontrol will win, or atleast take a minimum of two games. You're talking out of your ass.
I really don't wan't to be that guy, but could you point me to any event where inControl has finished at least decently enough to mention since you seem to follow him a lot more than I do, and I enjoy watching DDE's games since imo he's one of the top tier NA's and inControl for me is a no-name but I know a lot of ppl listen to his shows and whatnot, but I kinda just follow players and tournaments and don't care about amateur webcasts :p
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On April 01 2012 10:33 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 11:00 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
incontrol still thinks he is a top tier player.. sadly not in the range of dde I think incontrol will win, or atleast take a minimum of two games. You're talking out of your ass.
I guess he wasnt talking out of his ass.
I love Incontrol, but he simply isnt good enough. Time to stop the progaming and focus on casting etc.
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On April 05 2012 20:15 Champloo wrote:
Incontrol cares why too much about what other people say about him. Just go watch the replay or check the BO of your opponent between the matches, but do not go to the TL forums and read the haters.
Don't tell everyone how much you improved lately either. Train harder, win games. Then it's time to brag.
Giving critisism does not make you a hater, nor should it. I thought these forums were made to discus games between people.
You get 0-4 in a showmatch or any type of set/match, you will get critisism people should stop calling others haters just because you think a player should have done X or Y, it's just what people like to do. It's human nature.
Calling him bad, rude, or having zero game retardness opinions is "hating".
Anyway i do agree with the fact that reading a forum after a lost game might not be the best way to get ready for your next one.
Grats to DDE his play is very good atm no shame in losing to one of the best north american terrans. Best of luck next match Incontrol.
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Well... I guess DDE's TvP is still ridiculously strong.
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On April 05 2012 21:45 Keidy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 10:33 Kira__ wrote:On March 31 2012 11:00 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
incontrol still thinks he is a top tier player.. sadly not in the range of dde I think incontrol will win, or atleast take a minimum of two games. You're talking out of your ass. I guess he wasnt talking out of his ass. I love Incontrol, but he simply isnt good enough. Time to stop the progaming and focus on casting etc.
I'm pretty sure he knows he's not good enough to be a real competitor as well.
Guess he just loves the game, but he seems to be straying away from being a player by ditching ipl for some promo stuff.
I wouldn't mind if he turned into a caster instead of a player tbh.
He's pretty insightful, he's just bad at the execution while playing.
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huge let down... . . maybe we should look to promote more competitive show matches rather than a popularity contest.
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Man, so much hate. They did a showmatch for our amusement. Let's not be jerks and make them not want to do it again.
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Loved watching you play, iNcontroL! Thanks for the games! You'll crush next time, no sweat.
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On April 05 2012 23:03 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Man, so much hate. They did a showmatch for our amusement. Let's not be jerks and make them not want to do it again.
Well matches weren't so amusing, toooo much one sided. I wish Incontrol realizes sooner then later he can't be both professional caster AND pro gamer of highest caliber (he still acts like being one) in same time.
Honestly I hope he decides to stick with commentating in near future.
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On April 05 2012 23:29 whiterabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 23:03 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Man, so much hate. They did a showmatch for our amusement. Let's not be jerks and make them not want to do it again. Well matches weren't so amusing, toooo much one sided. I wish Incontrol realizes sooner then later he can't be both professional caster AND pro gamer of highest caliber (he still acts like being one) in same time. Honestly I hope he decides to stick with commentating in near future.
Right, but that doesn't justify being an asshole. Constructive Criticism =/= Flaming and bitching. But then again, this is the internet, so trying to get this point across is next to hopeless.
(Edit: Not saying you were the one being an asshole)
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The funny thing is if you read the criticism posted before incontrol's big insecure "LOLZ" defense, it wasn't even particularly harsh or noteworthy, just your basic LR stuff after a badly played game.
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The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults.
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Incontrol has actually improved his mechanics significantly. Is the post series podcast archived?
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On April 06 2012 00:57 Sphen5117 wrote:
The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults.
But I wasn't talking about the rest of the thread, I was talking about when he first jumped in here mid game.
Comprehension is key.
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On April 06 2012 00:57 Sphen5117 wrote:
The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults.
Insults? There are no insults in this thread, you're being way over sensitive.
The comments you find sarcastic are just sensible observations.
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it seems like - legitimately criticizing incontrol = insulting/trolling/killing esports etc, while criticizing anyone else is fair game
I remember incontrol shitting on destiny pretty bad when he was attending his first MLG, if you can't take it don't dish it out my friend
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It's entirely up to Incontrol if he wants to pursue a role as player in addition to the other stuff he does in the community. Nothing wrong with criticising his player or the resuls that he's putting in, but it's not the place of TL members to tell him he should outright quit playing the game competitively.
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On April 06 2012 02:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 00:57 Sphen5117 wrote:
The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults. Insults? There are no insults in this thread, you're being way over sensitive. The comments you find sarcastic are just sensible observations.
Perhaps you should reread the posts then. Saying the games are embarassing isn't exactly constructive criticism, neither is telling him "nice job" when he makes a bad move a sensible observation. Not sure how I'm being overly sensitive when I'm not insulting anyone or getting emotional about it.
And nvs., I'm aware of what you were talking about. I was talking about something else/more. I was speaking about the thread in general. You were speaking about only the first bit. No one said you weren't. Simply talking about something besides what you are addressing doesn't mean I don't comprehend you.
Comprehension is key.
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Will there be an mp3 of the podcast bit?
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because i live in toronto i've followed DDE pretty closely.
he may not be really famous, charismatic, flamboyant or "connected" with the big time scene but damn he can play Starcraft2.
another vicious beating delivered by DDE...
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dde
A tip of the cap to Incontrol for being willing to take on one of the least famous really good players.
imo,
DDE has the highest SKILL : FAME ratio in North America
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Is there a recording of this anywhere? I can't seem to find it on the own3d site.
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On April 06 2012 04:27 Sphen5117 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 02:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 06 2012 00:57 Sphen5117 wrote:
The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults. Insults? There are no insults in this thread, you're being way over sensitive. The comments you find sarcastic are just sensible observations. Perhaps you should reread the posts then. Saying the games are embarassing isn't exactly constructive criticism, neither is telling him "nice job" when he makes a bad move a sensible observation. Not sure how I'm being overly sensitive when I'm not insulting anyone or getting emotional about it. And nvs., I'm aware of what you were talking about. I was talking about something else/more. I was speaking about the thread in general. You were speaking about only the first bit. No one said you weren't. Simply talking about something besides what you are addressing doesn't mean I don't comprehend you. Comprehension is key.
OK so you post directly after me in a manner that obviously addresses my post by parroting me, and then claim that it had nothing to do with me. I see how you work.
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On April 06 2012 06:11 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 04:27 Sphen5117 wrote:On April 06 2012 02:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 06 2012 00:57 Sphen5117 wrote:
The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults. Insults? There are no insults in this thread, you're being way over sensitive. The comments you find sarcastic are just sensible observations. Perhaps you should reread the posts then. Saying the games are embarassing isn't exactly constructive criticism, neither is telling him "nice job" when he makes a bad move a sensible observation. Not sure how I'm being overly sensitive when I'm not insulting anyone or getting emotional about it. And nvs., I'm aware of what you were talking about. I was talking about something else/more. I was speaking about the thread in general. You were speaking about only the first bit. No one said you weren't. Simply talking about something besides what you are addressing doesn't mean I don't comprehend you. Comprehension is key. OK so you post directly after me in a manner that obviously addresses my post by parroting me, and then claim that it had nothing to do with me. I see how you work.
Of course it had something to do with you. You used that style of post to point out something. I used the same manner to point out something else, getting the idea from you. I hope it's easy to see how that works.
(Nothing personal)
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On April 05 2012 23:20 Sphen5117 wrote:
Loved watching you play, iNcontroL! Thanks for the games! You'll crush next time, no sweat.
These are the kinds of posts I don't really understand. What did you "love" about watching Geoff's play? When he lost the first game? The second, third or fourth? And he'll "crush next time" based on what? His past results?
Incontrol is a fantastic personality and addition to the community but a good player (relative) he ain't. He seems to have the most blindly optimistic fans in the community however. I find it puzzling.
GGs DDE.
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On April 05 2012 22:34 Technique wrote:
Guess he just loves the game, but he seems to be straying away from being a player by ditching ipl for some promo stuff.
I wouldn't mind if he turned into a caster instead of a player tbh.
He's pretty insightful, he's just bad at the execution while playing.
a lot of foriegn players are avoiding IPL4 not just Incontrol
judging from the IPL4 line up i don't blame them.
the only foriegners with a realistic shot at doing anything at IPL4 have spent substantial amounts of time in Korea.(except MAYBE Stephano ...big MAYBE here.)
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On April 06 2012 06:27 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 23:20 Sphen5117 wrote:
Loved watching you play, iNcontroL! Thanks for the games! You'll crush next time, no sweat. These are the kinds of posts I don't really understand. What did you "love" about watching Geoff's play? When he lost the first game? The second, third or fourth? And he'll "crush next time" based on what? His past results? Incontrol is a fantastic personality and addition to the community but a good player (relative) he ain't. He seems to have the most blindly optimistic fans in the community however. I find it puzzling. GGs DDE.
I find your need to break down harmless optimism piece-by-piece puzzling. People have favourite players, and they don't need to justify it why they like watching them play.
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i find your need to break down harmless questions puzzling. people are confused by blind fanboyism, and they dont need to justify it when they ask such questions
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On April 06 2012 06:32 CTStalker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:27 IPA wrote:On April 05 2012 23:20 Sphen5117 wrote:
Loved watching you play, iNcontroL! Thanks for the games! You'll crush next time, no sweat. These are the kinds of posts I don't really understand. What did you "love" about watching Geoff's play? When he lost the first game? The second, third or fourth? And he'll "crush next time" based on what? His past results? Incontrol is a fantastic personality and addition to the community but a good player (relative) he ain't. He seems to have the most blindly optimistic fans in the community however. I find it puzzling. GGs DDE. I find your need to break down harmless optimism piece-by-piece puzzling. People have favourite players, and they don't need to justify it why they like watching them play.
I suppose not. But it's as if your favorite sports team got shut out and you are (bizarrely) incredibly optimistic and happy about it. I am a rabid sports and SC2 fan. That's now how I react when it happens in either sphere, but to each their own. Like I said, I find it puzzling.
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On April 06 2012 06:32 CTStalker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:27 IPA wrote:On April 05 2012 23:20 Sphen5117 wrote:
Loved watching you play, iNcontroL! Thanks for the games! You'll crush next time, no sweat. These are the kinds of posts I don't really understand. What did you "love" about watching Geoff's play? When he lost the first game? The second, third or fourth? And he'll "crush next time" based on what? His past results? Incontrol is a fantastic personality and addition to the community but a good player (relative) he ain't. He seems to have the most blindly optimistic fans in the community however. I find it puzzling. GGs DDE. I find your need to break down harmless optimism piece-by-piece puzzling. People have favourite players, and they don't need to justify it why they like watching them play.
Doesn't mean it isn't an interesting question. iNcontrol has far and beyond the worst results of any gaming team of EG's caliber, despite his statements that he's training a lot. However, I think most people who are good at analyzing the game can tell that a lot of his builds feel thrown together and unrefined, which makes it hard to believe he spends as much time practicing as he says. As a fan, I feel somewhat lied to.
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I don't think there is anyone is Starcraft 2 that has bigger nerve issues than him. Everyone deals with it eventually, but for now keep at it.
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On April 06 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:32 CTStalker wrote:On April 06 2012 06:27 IPA wrote:On April 05 2012 23:20 Sphen5117 wrote:
Loved watching you play, iNcontroL! Thanks for the games! You'll crush next time, no sweat. These are the kinds of posts I don't really understand. What did you "love" about watching Geoff's play? When he lost the first game? The second, third or fourth? And he'll "crush next time" based on what? His past results? Incontrol is a fantastic personality and addition to the community but a good player (relative) he ain't. He seems to have the most blindly optimistic fans in the community however. I find it puzzling. GGs DDE. I find your need to break down harmless optimism piece-by-piece puzzling. People have favourite players, and they don't need to justify it why they like watching them play. I suppose not. But it's as if your favorite sports team got shut out and you are (bizarrely) incredibly optimistic and happy about it. I am a rabid sports and SC2 fan. That's now how I react when it happens in either sphere, but to each their own. Like I said, I find it puzzling.
Pretty much. If my favorite hockey team gets shutout or blown out by the opposition, I'm pretty quick to get critical an/or frustrated. I'll obviously still love them in the future, but that frustration is a natural by-product of liking something enough to care.
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On April 06 2012 06:48 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:32 CTStalker wrote:On April 06 2012 06:27 IPA wrote:On April 05 2012 23:20 Sphen5117 wrote:
Loved watching you play, iNcontroL! Thanks for the games! You'll crush next time, no sweat. These are the kinds of posts I don't really understand. What did you "love" about watching Geoff's play? When he lost the first game? The second, third or fourth? And he'll "crush next time" based on what? His past results? Incontrol is a fantastic personality and addition to the community but a good player (relative) he ain't. He seems to have the most blindly optimistic fans in the community however. I find it puzzling. GGs DDE. I find your need to break down harmless optimism piece-by-piece puzzling. People have favourite players, and they don't need to justify it why they like watching them play. Doesn't mean it isn't an interesting question. iNcontrol has far and beyond the worst results of any gaming team of EG's caliber, despite his statements that he's training a lot. However, I think most people who are good at analyzing the game can tell that a lot of his builds feel thrown together and unrefined, which makes it hard to believe he spends as much time practicing as he says. As a fan, I feel somewhat lied to.
Yeh there is no way that Incontrol plays the game for 10 hours (these 10 hours are including forum searching, watchin replays, doing other kinda stuff). Anyway when I watch incontrol play its kinda weird. Its not like he is a very fast player, and then you would think that each of his actions are very efficiently, like Polt/sjow/goody does, but Incontrol just seems to do a lot of random clicks?
It honestly often seems like he he dont know how he should micro his units. HE will just a-cllick a lot. Move teh screen a bit back and forth, and then a -click some more. Am I the only one who feel like they have watched this tendency in Incontrols play? Perhaps there isn't a lot to do as a protoss player (Compared to terran/zerg) but when I watch a toss like Hero I feel like a lot of his actions are efficient (even though his apm is very high).
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On April 06 2012 06:53 RynoSoren wrote:
I don't think there is anyone is Starcraft 2 that has bigger nerve issues than him. Everyone deals with it eventually, but for now keep at it.
What indication do you have that its nerve issues? I don't think there are any. His play in ladder when streaming isn't any better, its just that he plays people significantly worse. He started out miles ahead of your average GM player, but that gap is closingly more and more each month. Meanwhile, he's getting completely outclassed by any other salaried player. Meanwhile, he tries to tell his fans he spends a lot of time practicing and that he's gonna have great results.
But I really just don't buy it. His play does not reflect any amount of refinement. He's knowledgeable and is able to ride his instincts and past experiences pretty far, but its really clear that's all he's using lately. I don't mind that he's transitioning into a casting career. There is nothing wrong with that. But at least be honest with your fans. Don't say things that any player with a deep understanding of RTS will be able to clearly see is not the case.
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On April 06 2012 04:27 Sphen5117 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 02:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 06 2012 00:57 Sphen5117 wrote:
The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults. Insults? There are no insults in this thread, you're being way over sensitive. The comments you find sarcastic are just sensible observations. Perhaps you should reread the posts then. Saying the games are embarassing isn't exactly constructive criticism, neither is telling him "nice job" when he makes a bad move a sensible observation. Not sure how I'm being overly sensitive when I'm not insulting anyone or getting emotional about it.
I actually missed the "embarassing" comment, I agree that was unnecessary and if that's what your "a-hole" comment was referring to I apologize. Overall the reactions were sensible though, so it seems unnecessary to focus on the very few post which weren't.
Personally I feel like more criticism towards InControl was justified. He makes a point to never BM his opponent, but has no problem taking time between games to diss the fans discussing the games. Those dicussions are good for the interest in SC2. People love to give their opinions, whether they are educated or not. It's like that in all sports, InControl should just learn how to deal with it.
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On April 06 2012 06:38 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 06:32 CTStalker wrote:On April 06 2012 06:27 IPA wrote:On April 05 2012 23:20 Sphen5117 wrote:
Loved watching you play, iNcontroL! Thanks for the games! You'll crush next time, no sweat. These are the kinds of posts I don't really understand. What did you "love" about watching Geoff's play? When he lost the first game? The second, third or fourth? And he'll "crush next time" based on what? His past results? Incontrol is a fantastic personality and addition to the community but a good player (relative) he ain't. He seems to have the most blindly optimistic fans in the community however. I find it puzzling. GGs DDE. I find your need to break down harmless optimism piece-by-piece puzzling. People have favourite players, and they don't need to justify it why they like watching them play. I suppose not. But it's as if your favorite sports team got shut out and you are (bizarrely) incredibly optimistic and happy about it. I am a rabid sports and SC2 fan. That's now how I react when it happens in either sphere, but to each their own. Like I said, I find it puzzling.
You say I'm happy about "it". I'm not happy that he lost, no, don't be silly. But am I allowed to enjoy watching my favorite player play a game I love? How is that confusing? How is optimism about future performances confusing? I believe iNcontroL is capable of great results. Other fans believe this about many other players out there. What is blind about my support of him? Do I act like he didn't lose? Do I deny the fact that his results haven't been the best for quite a while?
Your use of the word "blind" here is puzzling. I am optimistic, yes. That's often what fans do. Especially when you're a fan who wants to positively impact your player. Do you think just going on and on about how dissappointing someone's play is helps them? Do you think we, as anonymous netizens are suddenly telling them something or informing them of a mistake they aren't already keenly aware? These people do this for a living. When the fuck up, they feel it. They don't need us to say so. Constructive criticism is one thing, and a good thing at that. And no one is expected to pretend they aren't dissappointed or lie about how they feel. However, if all I was going to do was spew negative shit, then why do I need to even type anything? If you want to possibly do the one little thing you can do to help your player (that is, if you really give a shit), show them your support. Show them that people still care about their games. Show them that they have FANS, not only critics. (You can be both, but the word critic is often used to disguise people who just want an excuse to bitch)
This isn't the first time I've seen a response like yours directed to a fan of iNcontroL. Hell, it appears in his fanclub even. I'm not calling you a hater, but that's what your behavior is much more kin to.
I am a fan of iNcontroL. A BIG one. It shouldn't be puzzling that I can enjoy watching his games, no matter the outcome. It shouldn't be puzzling that I am optimistic about someone who I know puts his heart into what he does.
It's puzzling that these concepts are so foreign to so many "fans".
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On April 06 2012 21:33 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 04:27 Sphen5117 wrote:On April 06 2012 02:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 06 2012 00:57 Sphen5117 wrote:
The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults. Insults? There are no insults in this thread, you're being way over sensitive. The comments you find sarcastic are just sensible observations. Perhaps you should reread the posts then. Saying the games are embarassing isn't exactly constructive criticism, neither is telling him "nice job" when he makes a bad move a sensible observation. Not sure how I'm being overly sensitive when I'm not insulting anyone or getting emotional about it. I actually missed the "embarassing" comment, I agree that was unnecessary and if that's what your "a-hole" comment was referring to I apologize. Overall the reactions were sensible though, so it seems unnecessary to focus on the very few post which weren't. Personally I feel like more criticism towards InControl was justified. He makes a point to never BM his opponent, but has no problem taking time between games to diss the fans discussing the games. Those dicussions are good for the interest in SC2. People love to give their opinions, whether they are educated or not. It's like that in all sports, InControl should just learn how to deal with it.
Fair point, nothing personal meant.
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On April 10 2012 03:17 Sphen5117 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 21:33 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 06 2012 04:27 Sphen5117 wrote:On April 06 2012 02:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 06 2012 00:57 Sphen5117 wrote:
The funny thing is if you read the rest of the thread it involves sarcasm and insults. Insults? There are no insults in this thread, you're being way over sensitive. The comments you find sarcastic are just sensible observations. Perhaps you should reread the posts then. Saying the games are embarassing isn't exactly constructive criticism, neither is telling him "nice job" when he makes a bad move a sensible observation. Not sure how I'm being overly sensitive when I'm not insulting anyone or getting emotional about it. I actually missed the "embarassing" comment, I agree that was unnecessary and if that's what your "a-hole" comment was referring to I apologize. Overall the reactions were sensible though, so it seems unnecessary to focus on the very few post which weren't. Personally I feel like more criticism towards InControl was justified. He makes a point to never BM his opponent, but has no problem taking time between games to diss the fans discussing the games. Those dicussions are good for the interest in SC2. People love to give their opinions, whether they are educated or not. It's like that in all sports, InControl should just learn how to deal with it. Fair point, nothing personal meant.
Hey Sonic Death, I like what you say there. I've always respected incontrol a lot and he has certainly grew since NASL casting day to become much bigger than just a player - a solid personality that works hard for EG and also a great person that sponsors love to endorse because he is so much bigger than just a player.
EG definitely has done a lot and put a lot of work in grooming each and every one of their player that lives in the team house. Just look at greg now :D :D: D: :D :D: D: :D:D:D:D
Anyway not sure why im ranting, just wanted to show my support for Geoff and EG.
SC2 hwaiting!
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