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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 04:20:50
April 04 2012 04:10 GMT
#421
Stephano just wanted to dodge MMA... Simple as that... There are people who think Stephano can take MMA straight up?

And Stephano doesn't want to show his strategies? He has played over 30 competitive games in March, 2 more games is going to hurt him? Honestly, I understand why he doesn't want to play in GSL. Easier for him to play in foreign tournaments. Must have been upset when col signed Ganzi and liquid signed Taeja...
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 06:07:18
April 04 2012 05:27 GMT
#422
On April 04 2012 04:49 gds wrote:
Well, the whole story is here: http://www.ironsquid.tv/iron-squid-pool-c-stephano-forfeits-vs-mma
and i'm not condemning stephano, these are all facts.

These are all facts indeed, but this doesn't tell the whole story at all. Anyway, being french and supporting (until today at least) Stephano against these 2 koreans monsters I'm also really disappointed. Still hoping there is a good reason. If not, I just hope he gets what he deserves.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
April 04 2012 05:52 GMT
#423
On April 04 2012 04:51 Nelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 04:44 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:41 Nelz wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:38 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
So basically Life is out as well? Doe Stephano forfeit all his matches?


Well, yes, even if he beats Mana and Stephano win against Jjackji ( don't count on that ), he will be out.


Actually no, if Stephano beats Jjajki and Life 2-0s Mana or if Stephano 2-0s Jjakji and Life beats Mana, life is through with MMA since mapscore is counted first


True, my bad, but If Stephano forfeits against MMA, i don't think he won against Jjackji, we'll see tomorrow but it's pretty clear.

Aren't the games supposed to be broadcasted live this time ?? I heard that from Pomf & Thud last time.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 04 2012 06:06 GMT
#424
Well that's disappointing. Never like to see a forfeit
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dekarp
Profile Joined December 2011
286 Posts
April 04 2012 06:08 GMT
#425
Couldn't be happier to see Stephano leaving the scene at the end of the year.

Good riddance.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 04 2012 06:09 GMT
#426
On April 04 2012 14:52 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 04:51 Nelz wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:44 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:41 Nelz wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:38 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
So basically Life is out as well? Doe Stephano forfeit all his matches?


Well, yes, even if he beats Mana and Stephano win against Jjackji ( don't count on that ), he will be out.


Actually no, if Stephano beats Jjajki and Life 2-0s Mana or if Stephano 2-0s Jjakji and Life beats Mana, life is through with MMA since mapscore is counted first


True, my bad, but If Stephano forfeits against MMA, i don't think he won against Jjackji, we'll see tomorrow but it's pretty clear.

Aren't the games supposed to be broadcasted live this time ?? I heard that from Pomf & Thud last time.


They probably mean live in studio rather than prerecorded broadcasts? Not sure, doubt they will be able to get timezones working well (especially with Jjakji and Stephano and MMA at IPL4)
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
April 04 2012 06:19 GMT
#427
On April 04 2012 13:10 vthree wrote:
Stephano just wanted to dodge MMA... Simple as that... There are people who think Stephano can take MMA straight up?

And Stephano doesn't want to show his strategies? He has played over 30 competitive games in March, 2 more games is going to hurt him? Honestly, I understand why he doesn't want to play in GSL. Easier for him to play in foreign tournaments. Must have been upset when col signed Ganzi and liquid signed Taeja...

Great theory!

Actually, just like how he wanted to dodge Naniwa. But that time he tried to bluff and got called.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 04 2012 06:25 GMT
#428
On April 04 2012 13:10 vthree wrote:
Stephano just wanted to dodge MMA... Simple as that... There are people who think Stephano can take MMA straight up?

And Stephano doesn't want to show his strategies? He has played over 30 competitive games in March, 2 more games is going to hurt him? Honestly, I understand why he doesn't want to play in GSL. Easier for him to play in foreign tournaments. Must have been upset when col signed Ganzi and liquid signed Taeja...


Why would you dodge someone you are the underdog against? I could see him trying to dodge a match with a random NA GM, because he is expected to win, but in the small chance he loses, Stephano would take a lot of ridicule. Stephano is the underdog against MMA, and most people do not expect him to win. He has very little to lose and a lot of respect to be gained.

But then again, I am not Stephano, so I don't know his exact rationale for his actions.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
April 04 2012 06:31 GMT
#429
On April 04 2012 07:32 Ylrahc wrote:
Simple, he had no chance to advance because he lost to jjakji earlier on during his slump against terrans, thus nothing to win by playing MMA and everything to lose (either he plays not seriously and it is a poor match, or he plays seriously and risks to give strat info for potential later opponents). Not saying he was morally is right, he could have made 2 7 pools or a drones rush, but that's the risk when you do such long duration online tournaments...sometimes players don't see the point to play and forfeit. It's not like he was paid to play, he was legally right to forfeit, but obviously for the fans it's disappointing.

When did he lose to Jjakji o_o?
I don't see it anywhere
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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
April 04 2012 06:46 GMT
#430
Well... this gives MMA somewhat of an unfair advantage. Stephano should be DQ'ed for not holding up to his commitment and all his games should be made obsolete.

It probably didn't matter anyway... but hey...
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
April 04 2012 07:45 GMT
#431
On April 04 2012 15:09 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 14:52 samurai80 wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:51 Nelz wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:44 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:41 Nelz wrote:
On April 04 2012 04:38 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
So basically Life is out as well? Doe Stephano forfeit all his matches?


Well, yes, even if he beats Mana and Stephano win against Jjackji ( don't count on that ), he will be out.


Actually no, if Stephano beats Jjajki and Life 2-0s Mana or if Stephano 2-0s Jjakji and Life beats Mana, life is through with MMA since mapscore is counted first


True, my bad, but If Stephano forfeits against MMA, i don't think he won against Jjackji, we'll see tomorrow but it's pretty clear.

Aren't the games supposed to be broadcasted live this time ?? I heard that from Pomf & Thud last time.


They probably mean live in studio rather than prerecorded broadcasts? Not sure, doubt they will be able to get timezones working well (especially with Jjakji and Stephano and MMA at IPL4)

Oh I see. Or maybe the contrary (ie games are playing live while they comment, then this is broadcasted later). But indeed, the broadcast starting at 4am in Korea, this may a bit too hard to do. Well if they are all in Vegas though, it will be something like 12 AM in the area so more acceptable.

Anyway what is sure is that Stephano is gonna get a lot of haters, and should think about changing his behavior/manner/scheduling.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
April 04 2012 08:01 GMT
#432
On April 04 2012 15:31 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 07:32 Ylrahc wrote:
Simple, he had no chance to advance because he lost to jjakji earlier on during his slump against terrans, thus nothing to win by playing MMA and everything to lose (either he plays not seriously and it is a poor match, or he plays seriously and risks to give strat info for potential later opponents). Not saying he was morally is right, he could have made 2 7 pools or a drones rush, but that's the risk when you do such long duration online tournaments...sometimes players don't see the point to play and forfeit. It's not like he was paid to play, he was legally right to forfeit, but obviously for the fans it's disappointing.

When did he lose to Jjakji o_o?
I don't see it anywhere

It is not sure yet if he lost and I don't think anyone even knows if they have actually played already, but this theory has unfortunately some good probability to be true.
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
April 04 2012 08:14 GMT
#433
On April 04 2012 17:01 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 15:31 Poopi wrote:
On April 04 2012 07:32 Ylrahc wrote:
Simple, he had no chance to advance because he lost to jjakji earlier on during his slump against terrans, thus nothing to win by playing MMA and everything to lose (either he plays not seriously and it is a poor match, or he plays seriously and risks to give strat info for potential later opponents). Not saying he was morally is right, he could have made 2 7 pools or a drones rush, but that's the risk when you do such long duration online tournaments...sometimes players don't see the point to play and forfeit. It's not like he was paid to play, he was legally right to forfeit, but obviously for the fans it's disappointing.

When did he lose to Jjakji o_o?
I don't see it anywhere

It is not sure yet if he lost and I don't think anyone even knows if they have actually played already, but this theory has unfortunately some good probability to be true.

if i understand the format correctly, the games have been played (with the exception of the stephano-MMA match). they just haven't been 'casted or shown.
Cocoba
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada352 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 08:54:11
April 04 2012 08:28 GMT
#434
Stephano not showing to another one of his matches? Not a surprise. He is such a good player but I don't consider myself a fan because of how often he doesn't show for matches. Dude, your a pro-gamer (at least for this year), so why don't you act like one.
:D
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
April 04 2012 08:30 GMT
#435
On April 04 2012 15:46 Ketch wrote:
Well... this gives MMA somewhat of an unfair advantage. Stephano should be DQ'ed for not holding up to his commitment and all his games should be made obsolete.

It probably didn't matter anyway... but hey...



It would matter, for example Mana would still have chance to advance.
Pathetic Greta hater.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
April 04 2012 10:18 GMT
#436
On April 04 2012 17:14 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 17:01 samurai80 wrote:
On April 04 2012 15:31 Poopi wrote:
On April 04 2012 07:32 Ylrahc wrote:
Simple, he had no chance to advance because he lost to jjakji earlier on during his slump against terrans, thus nothing to win by playing MMA and everything to lose (either he plays not seriously and it is a poor match, or he plays seriously and risks to give strat info for potential later opponents). Not saying he was morally is right, he could have made 2 7 pools or a drones rush, but that's the risk when you do such long duration online tournaments...sometimes players don't see the point to play and forfeit. It's not like he was paid to play, he was legally right to forfeit, but obviously for the fans it's disappointing.

When did he lose to Jjakji o_o?
I don't see it anywhere

It is not sure yet if he lost and I don't think anyone even knows if they have actually played already, but this theory has unfortunately some good probability to be true.

if i understand the format correctly, the games have been played (with the exception of the stephano-MMA match). they just haven't been 'casted or shown.

But you know when ?
Nelz
Profile Joined December 2011
309 Posts
April 04 2012 10:22 GMT
#437
On April 04 2012 19:18 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 17:14 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
On April 04 2012 17:01 samurai80 wrote:
On April 04 2012 15:31 Poopi wrote:
On April 04 2012 07:32 Ylrahc wrote:
Simple, he had no chance to advance because he lost to jjakji earlier on during his slump against terrans, thus nothing to win by playing MMA and everything to lose (either he plays not seriously and it is a poor match, or he plays seriously and risks to give strat info for potential later opponents). Not saying he was morally is right, he could have made 2 7 pools or a drones rush, but that's the risk when you do such long duration online tournaments...sometimes players don't see the point to play and forfeit. It's not like he was paid to play, he was legally right to forfeit, but obviously for the fans it's disappointing.

When did he lose to Jjakji o_o?
I don't see it anywhere

It is not sure yet if he lost and I don't think anyone even knows if they have actually played already, but this theory has unfortunately some good probability to be true.

if i understand the format correctly, the games have been played (with the exception of the stephano-MMA match). they just haven't been 'casted or shown.

But you know when ?


Stephano vs life = 29/02/2012
Stephano vs Jjakji = 04/03/2012
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
April 04 2012 10:28 GMT
#438
On April 04 2012 17:30 Silvanel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 15:46 Ketch wrote:
Well... this gives MMA somewhat of an unfair advantage. Stephano should be DQ'ed for not holding up to his commitment and all his games should be made obsolete.

It probably didn't matter anyway... but hey...



It would matter, for example Mana would still have chance to advance.

There are several possible scenarii actually. What if Stephano just forfeited because he was actually already qualified for the next round ?? I know it's kind of weird and it's more likely that he lost and wasn't qualified. But for instance if :
Jjakji loses to Stephano 0-2
Life loses to Mana 0-2
Knowing that, Stephano forfeit against MMA (=0-2)
We would have a 3 ways 2-2 tie and the points would be :
(matches / sets)
MMA 3-1 / 7-3
Stephano 2-2 / 5-4
Jjakji 2-2 / 4-5
Mana 2-2 / 4-5 (+ match lost against Jjakji)
Life 1-3 / 4-7

and Stephano would be already qualified.

But well, I suppose this is unreal, but this is still a possible scenario if I'm not wrong.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
April 04 2012 10:30 GMT
#439
On April 04 2012 19:22 Nelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 19:18 samurai80 wrote:
On April 04 2012 17:14 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
On April 04 2012 17:01 samurai80 wrote:
On April 04 2012 15:31 Poopi wrote:
On April 04 2012 07:32 Ylrahc wrote:
Simple, he had no chance to advance because he lost to jjakji earlier on during his slump against terrans, thus nothing to win by playing MMA and everything to lose (either he plays not seriously and it is a poor match, or he plays seriously and risks to give strat info for potential later opponents). Not saying he was morally is right, he could have made 2 7 pools or a drones rush, but that's the risk when you do such long duration online tournaments...sometimes players don't see the point to play and forfeit. It's not like he was paid to play, he was legally right to forfeit, but obviously for the fans it's disappointing.

When did he lose to Jjakji o_o?
I don't see it anywhere

It is not sure yet if he lost and I don't think anyone even knows if they have actually played already, but this theory has unfortunately some good probability to be true.

if i understand the format correctly, the games have been played (with the exception of the stephano-MMA match). they just haven't been 'casted or shown.

But you know when ?


Stephano vs life = 29/02/2012
Stephano vs Jjakji = 04/03/2012

Sorry to insist but how do u know that ? Is it reliable ?
Nelz
Profile Joined December 2011
309 Posts
April 04 2012 10:36 GMT
#440
On April 04 2012 19:30 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 19:22 Nelz wrote:
On April 04 2012 19:18 samurai80 wrote:
On April 04 2012 17:14 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
On April 04 2012 17:01 samurai80 wrote:
On April 04 2012 15:31 Poopi wrote:
On April 04 2012 07:32 Ylrahc wrote:
Simple, he had no chance to advance because he lost to jjakji earlier on during his slump against terrans, thus nothing to win by playing MMA and everything to lose (either he plays not seriously and it is a poor match, or he plays seriously and risks to give strat info for potential later opponents). Not saying he was morally is right, he could have made 2 7 pools or a drones rush, but that's the risk when you do such long duration online tournaments...sometimes players don't see the point to play and forfeit. It's not like he was paid to play, he was legally right to forfeit, but obviously for the fans it's disappointing.

When did he lose to Jjakji o_o?
I don't see it anywhere

It is not sure yet if he lost and I don't think anyone even knows if they have actually played already, but this theory has unfortunately some good probability to be true.

if i understand the format correctly, the games have been played (with the exception of the stephano-MMA match). they just haven't been 'casted or shown.

But you know when ?


Stephano vs life = 29/02/2012
Stephano vs Jjakji = 04/03/2012

Sorry to insist but how do u know that ? Is it reliable ?


Games were played when Stephano was in France, and obviously game were played on the american server against the korean guys !

Stephano never play cross server unless it is necessary, so early march, just looked at Stephano's history on the US Server and saw the results. To find the exact opponent was not very difficult.
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