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Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
March 20 2012 17:12 GMT
#81
The point was just that if you look objectively at it, then you're wrong. If you want to argue like this, you have to be objective. But by all means people can think A is better than B, but that doesn't make it true. It's an opinion and shouldn't be shared as if it was facts.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
March 20 2012 17:21 GMT
#82
On March 21 2012 00:57 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:54 msjakofsky wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:52 Talin wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:43 msjakofsky wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:36 Talin wrote:
On March 21 2012 00:22 msjakofsky wrote:
ELA: i never denied mouz has less tournament wins than liquid, i just think mouz roster is more solid overall- without hero and zenio. it's all subjective to a degree of course. you were the one who tried to discredit taeja, when he is undoubtedly better than anyone in mouz or liquid. mouz players have better results vs koreans too which matters to me more than decent results vs foreigners.

but yeah i admit i'm biased.


Being biased is one thing, everybody is biased. Saying things that are factually incorrect is something completely different (the part that concerns numbers at least, which are not subjective).

I wouldn't be so sure that mouz players have better results vs Koreans than Ret does. Thorzain alone might be close, but it'd still take some detailed counting.


that's not incorrect at all, if you check it... ret has beaten MVP and has some other koreans in one game here and there.

Thorzain: hero, crank, alicia, MC, fruitdealer, IM team allkill, 3-kill in GSTL, Mana beat MC, Puma, Nada, Clide, DRG, Crank etc.


Ret knocked MVP and aLive out of major LAN tournaments (MLG and IPL3), qualified for GSL and won a round, beat PartinG in a series at RB LAN just recently, and that's not even counting online wins which you can check for yourself - more carefully though, just like you did for mouz players.


didn't list all of mouz's wins either, and ret vs parting is not showed in tlpd. and finally let's agree that 1 year old gsl results don't matter


Results don't matter to me at all personally, but if you want to count things, then they count just like everything else. It's not like TSL3 was very recent either.


Sorry but TSL actually counts a lot IMO. Everyone who is the best foreigner now took part in TSL3. TSL is a mighty tradition that i think should not be under qualified.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 20 2012 17:28 GMT
#83
Mana<Sheth
Thorzain>TLO
Morrow>Zenio
biGs<Ret
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
March 20 2012 17:33 GMT
#84
mana >> sheth
THorzain > tlo
morrow > zenio
bigs ?? ret

T/z Ace > Z ace
T/z ace < p ace
P ace > p ace
p ace < z ace
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
March 20 2012 17:37 GMT
#85
On March 21 2012 02:33 TheNessman wrote:
mana >> sheth
THorzain > tlo
morrow > zenio
bigs ?? ret

T/z Ace > Z ace
T/z ace < p ace
P ace > p ace
p ace < z ace


?? for the easiest game to call?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#86
On March 21 2012 02:33 TheNessman wrote:
mana >> sheth
THorzain > tlo
morrow > zenio
bigs ?? ret

T/z Ace > Z ace
T/z ace < p ace
P ace > p ace
p ace < z ace


Funniest joke I've seen all week.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
March 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#87
On March 21 2012 02:37 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 02:33 TheNessman wrote:
mana >> sheth
THorzain > tlo
morrow > zenio
bigs ?? ret

T/z Ace > Z ace
T/z ace < p ace
P ace > p ace
p ace < z ace


?? for the easiest game to call?


lol its ZvZ , coinflip match up at pro level IIRC.
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Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
March 20 2012 17:39 GMT
#88
Oh this sounds like a close one. I kinda don't see biGs winning vs ret but then again it's ZvZ so...

Would definitely tune in if it was at a better time for me, gogo mouz!!
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
March 20 2012 17:41 GMT
#89
On March 21 2012 01:53 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 01:47 nvs. wrote:
wold like to see a real "foreign team league" where no koreans are allowed


Sounds like a boring league indeed.

Why not just call it "Code C: The Best of the Rest"


well first of all foreigners are not that bad (and if you compare them to yourself they are gods xD) and it's still better than "b level korean mercenaries own up the rest"

Since you want to watch foreigner-only team league, i just wanna drop by and introduce you the "starcraft 2 survivor league" and "incredible panic team league". Hope you enjoy watching these above-code-b level league.

also how is aTn doing in this league? I would love to see them get 1 score some time soon in the future.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 18:00:38
March 20 2012 17:52 GMT
#90
Anyone here notice that whenever Team Liquid plays in any matchup and loses, I never see whining about lag, statements like "said TL player is better than X even though he lost", bitching and moaning, or any complaints at all?

Yet whenever Team Liquid wins anything, a ream of obsessive compulsive preteens comes onto these forums and tries to downplay their accomplishments. And yet Team Liquid is the most manner, kind-hearted roster on the face of the earth. Do they really deserve that kind of treatment?

Also, it's even more sad now that these same attention-starved kids are now coming onto the forum before the games are even played and are preemptively bitching and moaning about how Team Liquid is a terrible team and doesn't deserve to win etc. You'd think these people would have a little more class (but I suppose puberty is the first benchmark for developing values so it may not be any fault of their own).


P.S. I think there a bit of irony in the constant predictions for TLO. Thus far, every match in team league that I've seen people state in advance (almost unanimously) that TLO will lose . . . he wins! I'm going with TLO this time around over Thorzain, even though Thorzain seems most consisitant in the long-run.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
March 20 2012 17:54 GMT
#91
Teamliquid Zerg fighting!!!
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
March 20 2012 17:58 GMT
#92
On March 21 2012 02:12 Bumblebee wrote:
The point was just that if you look objectively at it, then you're wrong. If you want to argue like this, you have to be objective. But by all means people can think A is better than B, but that doesn't make it true. It's an opinion and shouldn't be shared as if it was facts.


Im pretty sure that bolded, is a Liquid'NonY-quote :D

I very much agree - Im not going to spend more energy debating Liquid vs. Mouz now - I litterally lose braincells reading some of these posts.. I just want to watch the games!
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
March 20 2012 18:01 GMT
#93
On March 21 2012 02:52 SCST wrote:
Anyone here notice that whenever Team Liquid plays in any matchup and loses, I never see whining about lag, statements like "said TL player is better than X even though he lost", bitching and moaning, or any complaints at all?

Yet whenever Team Liquid wins anything, a ream of obsessive compulsive preteens comes onto these forums and tries to downplay their accomplishments. And yet Team Liquid is the most manner, kind-hearted roster on the face of the earth. Do they really deserve that kind of treatment?

Also, it's even more sad now that these same attention-starved kids are now coming onto the forum before the games are even played and are preemptively bitching and moaning about how Team Liquid is a terrible team and doesn't deserve to win etc. You'd think these people would have a little more class (but I suppose puberty is the first benchmark for developing values so it may not be any fault of their own).


haven't ever seen that besides the thorzain-hero story, where thorzain's frustration was understandable even if it wasn't TL's fault.

also besides that never seen any of the mouz players BM ever.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 18:02:59
March 20 2012 18:02 GMT
#94
On March 21 2012 03:01 msjakofsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 02:52 SCST wrote:
Anyone here notice that whenever Team Liquid plays in any matchup and loses, I never see whining about lag, statements like "said TL player is better than X even though he lost", bitching and moaning, or any complaints at all?

Yet whenever Team Liquid wins anything, a ream of obsessive compulsive preteens comes onto these forums and tries to downplay their accomplishments. And yet Team Liquid is the most manner, kind-hearted roster on the face of the earth. Do they really deserve that kind of treatment?

Also, it's even more sad now that these same attention-starved kids are now coming onto the forum before the games are even played and are preemptively bitching and moaning about how Team Liquid is a terrible team and doesn't deserve to win etc. You'd think these people would have a little more class (but I suppose puberty is the first benchmark for developing values so it may not be any fault of their own).


haven't ever seen that besides the thorzain-hero story, where thorzain's frustration was understandable even if it wasn't TL's fault.

also besides that never seen any of the mouz players BM ever.


Not speaking about the players, just people on these forums.

"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
March 20 2012 18:04 GMT
#95
On March 21 2012 02:52 SCST wrote:
Anyone here notice that whenever Team Liquid plays in any matchup and loses, I never see whining about lag, statements like "said TL player is better than X even though he lost", bitching and moaning, or any complaints at all?

Yet whenever Team Liquid wins anything, a ream of obsessive compulsive preteens comes onto these forums and tries to downplay their accomplishments. And yet Team Liquid is the most manner, kind-hearted roster on the face of the earth. Do they really deserve that kind of treatment?

Also, it's even more sad now that these same attention-starved kids are now coming onto the forum before the games are even played and are preemptively bitching and moaning about how Team Liquid is a terrible team and doesn't deserve to win etc. You'd think these people would have a little more class (but I suppose puberty is the first benchmark for developing values so it may not be any fault of their own).


P.S. I think there a bit of irony in the constant predictions for TLO. Thus far, every match in team league that I've seen people state in advance almost unanimously that TLO will lose . . . he wins! I'm going with TLO this time around over Thorzain, even though Thorzain seems most consisitant in the long-run.

pls, you really think "TL fans are better than the rest"? seriously?
There are tons of excuses when you observe the LR thread when a TL player loses. It's either "he's to nervous" or some other standard excuses every one makes.
And how can you judge that TL players are the most manner and kind-hearted? HOw do you know that? Doesn't the Community call 90% of pro gamers "super sweet and kind-hearted" without even talking to them once?
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 18:13:41
March 20 2012 18:10 GMT
#96
On March 21 2012 02:41 Lennient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 01:53 sVnteen wrote:
On March 21 2012 01:47 nvs. wrote:
wold like to see a real "foreign team league" where no koreans are allowed


Sounds like a boring league indeed.

Why not just call it "Code C: The Best of the Rest"


well first of all foreigners are not that bad (and if you compare them to yourself they are gods xD) and it's still better than "b level korean mercenaries own up the rest"

Since you want to watch foreigner-only team league, i just wanna drop by and introduce you the "starcraft 2 survivor league" and "incredible panic team league". Hope you enjoy watching these above-code-b level league.

also how is aTn doing in this league? I would love to see them get 1 score some time soon in the future.

first of all you are implying that i don't watch those teamleagues which is not true
2. i meant with ALL the top foreign teams which is not the case with either of the leagues you mentioned...
3. what does aTn have to do with this?
4. aTn has scored in egmcsl so do your research before trying to bash a team...(i'm guessing you mean egmcsl with aTn since they have never participated in any other clan league before that afaik...)
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msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 18:12:37
March 20 2012 18:11 GMT
#97
On March 21 2012 03:02 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 03:01 msjakofsky wrote:
On March 21 2012 02:52 SCST wrote:
Anyone here notice that whenever Team Liquid plays in any matchup and loses, I never see whining about lag, statements like "said TL player is better than X even though he lost", bitching and moaning, or any complaints at all?

Yet whenever Team Liquid wins anything, a ream of obsessive compulsive preteens comes onto these forums and tries to downplay their accomplishments. And yet Team Liquid is the most manner, kind-hearted roster on the face of the earth. Do they really deserve that kind of treatment?

Also, it's even more sad now that these same attention-starved kids are now coming onto the forum before the games are even played and are preemptively bitching and moaning about how Team Liquid is a terrible team and doesn't deserve to win etc. You'd think these people would have a little more class (but I suppose puberty is the first benchmark for developing values so it may not be any fault of their own).


haven't ever seen that besides the thorzain-hero story, where thorzain's frustration was understandable even if it wasn't TL's fault.

also besides that never seen any of the mouz players BM ever.


Not speaking about the players, just people on these forums.



well i haven't rly seen it on the forums either

but it's so easy to say stuff like that "whenever foreigner wins with cheese it's genius if MC does it it's stupid allin" etc it's not wise to generalize because 10-20 posters out of 50000 are like that. basically whoever wins a sc2 match there will be always bitter and happy people, if you happened to read some bitter posts that doesn't tell anything about the community

not to mention the trolls and flame baiters...
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 20 2012 18:15 GMT
#98
On March 21 2012 03:04 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 02:52 SCST wrote:
Anyone here notice that whenever Team Liquid plays in any matchup and loses, I never see whining about lag, statements like "said TL player is better than X even though he lost", bitching and moaning, or any complaints at all?

Yet whenever Team Liquid wins anything, a ream of obsessive compulsive preteens comes onto these forums and tries to downplay their accomplishments. And yet Team Liquid is the most manner, kind-hearted roster on the face of the earth. Do they really deserve that kind of treatment?

Also, it's even more sad now that these same attention-starved kids are now coming onto the forum before the games are even played and are preemptively bitching and moaning about how Team Liquid is a terrible team and doesn't deserve to win etc. You'd think these people would have a little more class (but I suppose puberty is the first benchmark for developing values so it may not be any fault of their own).


P.S. I think there a bit of irony in the constant predictions for TLO. Thus far, every match in team league that I've seen people state in advance almost unanimously that TLO will lose . . . he wins! I'm going with TLO this time around over Thorzain, even though Thorzain seems most consisitant in the long-run.

pls, you really think "TL fans are better than the rest"? seriously?
There are tons of excuses when you observe the LR thread when a TL player loses. It's either "he's to nervous" or some other standard excuses every one makes.
And how can you judge that TL players are the most manner and kind-hearted? HOw do you know that? Doesn't the Community call 90% of pro gamers "super sweet and kind-hearted" without even talking to them once?


His beard got in the way.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
March 20 2012 18:16 GMT
#99
On March 21 2012 02:52 SCST wrote:

Also, it's even more sad now that these same attention-starved kids are now coming onto the forum before the games are even played and are preemptively bitching and moaning about how Team Liquid is a terrible team and doesn't deserve to win etc. You'd think these people would have a little more class (but I suppose puberty is the first benchmark for developing values so it may not be any fault of their own).




NOBODY here was bitching about TL, not even close. you confuse "thinks it's a bit overhyped" with "thinks it's terrible". and you go on insulting this fictional group of people.

i guess you're one of those who thought 2-3 months earlier that hero is the undisputed best protoss in the world and got angry when someone thought it's not true. there is a sensible line between being ridiculously biased and defensive and loving a team and cheering for it and you seem to have crossed it...
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 18:19:29
March 20 2012 18:17 GMT
#100
On March 21 2012 03:04 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 02:52 SCST wrote:
Anyone here notice that whenever Team Liquid plays in any matchup and loses, I never see whining about lag, statements like "said TL player is better than X even though he lost", bitching and moaning, or any complaints at all?

Yet whenever Team Liquid wins anything, a ream of obsessive compulsive preteens comes onto these forums and tries to downplay their accomplishments. And yet Team Liquid is the most manner, kind-hearted roster on the face of the earth. Do they really deserve that kind of treatment?

Also, it's even more sad now that these same attention-starved kids are now coming onto the forum before the games are even played and are preemptively bitching and moaning about how Team Liquid is a terrible team and doesn't deserve to win etc. You'd think these people would have a little more class (but I suppose puberty is the first benchmark for developing values so it may not be any fault of their own).


P.S. I think there a bit of irony in the constant predictions for TLO. Thus far, every match in team league that I've seen people state in advance almost unanimously that TLO will lose . . . he wins! I'm going with TLO this time around over Thorzain, even though Thorzain seems most consisitant in the long-run.

pls, you really think "TL fans are better than the rest"? seriously?
There are tons of excuses when you observe the LR thread when a TL player loses. It's either "he's to nervous" or some other standard excuses every one makes.
And how can you judge that TL players are the most manner and kind-hearted? HOw do you know that? Doesn't the Community call 90% of pro gamers "super sweet and kind-hearted" without even talking to them once?


No one said TL fans are better than "the rest of fans". The truth may hurt, but the vast majority of people who cheer for TL do not BM their opponents or downplay their accomplishments (I've seen the nerves excuse used on Hero but that's it). Yet there is a substantial faction of individuals (not necessarily fans of other teams) who seem to have irrational hatred towards TL for no apparent reason.

How can I judge that TL's players are manner and kind-hearted? I've never seen a TL player disrespect his opponent, ever, in any way. Also, I've been following the players on TL for a very long time, before many of them were on the team. But you did get one thing right: it is a judgement that I'm making, in other words my opinion. And that's not to say that players from other teams are not amazing people either, just that the TL roster does not deserve the shit that they've been getting on these forums lately.


"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
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