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On March 09 2012 23:59 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:55 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:53 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 09 2012 23:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 kwizach wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Tump wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Jakkerr wrote:
Puma vs MC finals I think.
Feast is really good but I don't see him taking out MC in a PvP. HuK did why can't Feast? HuK is a way better player than Feast. Is he?-_-... Good that you have things to back that up. Jeez-_- really? Yes he is. Did you not just see him get third at MLG Winter arena, an event way more stacked than this IEM or any IEM? Not to mention everything else Huk has won. I'm not even going to argue with you, his 3rd place was a very good achievement, but one could argue he had the easiest grid and mostly his best match up with PvP. So calling Feast inferior because of past or even 'recent' results is stupid. If you want to compare, compare tournaments where both did take part. You have none? Shame on you. People should think before writing in blatant fanboyism. And no, I'm neither fan of Feast nor Huk. You realize that head-to-head is pretty much the worst measure for difference in skill between two players, right?
Head to head if you take their PvP record would be a bad measure. Head to head in actually tournament placings where both took part would be a good measure. All I'm saying is Feast is not around as long as Huk and didn't even have the chance to bring those results to the table while Huk had. People simply calling Huk better based on that, is wrong.
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Grubby is an awesome caster lol, and he sounds like the bear character from the cleveland show
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On March 09 2012 23:53 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 kwizach wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Tump wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Jakkerr wrote:
Puma vs MC finals I think.
Feast is really good but I don't see him taking out MC in a PvP. HuK did why can't Feast? HuK is a way better player than Feast. Is he?-_-... Good that you have things to back that up. Jeez-_- Huk's won many, many major tournaments. He's the most successful foreigner of all time. You don't get past a few IEM Group Stages and overtake that. Dreamhack, MLG Orlando and HomeStoryCup #3 is not many, many major tournaments to say the least. If a player is upcoming and rising he could very well be better than an already known player to the scene. Flash was better than a lot of high-format players when he still was a newcomer... You cannot just go and make a statement "Huk is superior to Feast" when actually you don't know and just take a look on statistics, lol.
So how can you ever say anyone is better than anyone else if not through using evidence?
Since Sc2's inception there's been countless up and comers like Feast who have just fizzled out because they either had a good few weeks, couldn't maintain the practice to keep at that level or weren't talented/dedicated enough to push on there.
You can't just say Feast is more talented, he is because I say so but I have no actual evidence. What kind of argument is that?
For all Feast's achievements Huk managed just as big of wins at MLG Arena than Feast did at all his IEM's. Plus he has his history of major wins, not ro8's or ro4's. Wins.
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On March 09 2012 23:53 KalWarkov wrote:you couldve done the same thing comparing stephano and idra 1 year ago, idras stats wouldve been better by a lot. some players get better faster than others that are on top yet, stats of their whole career dont say anything. take the stats of this year, thats more of an indicator. although i still dont like juding everything by stats, they dont show who the opponents were. And obv i dont wanna say Feast is better than HuK, i would disagree for the moment. but your tlpd quote is just not very smart.
What do you mean by "they dont show who the opponents were"?
it's all there... maps, opponents, result, date, battle reports...
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On March 09 2012 23:55 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:52 dragonborn wrote:On March 09 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 kwizach wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Tump wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Jakkerr wrote:
Puma vs MC finals I think.
Feast is really good but I don't see him taking out MC in a PvP. HuK did why can't Feast? HuK is a way better player than Feast. Is he?-_-... Good that you have things to back that up. Jeez-_- Huk's won many, many major tournaments. He's the most successful foreigner of all time. You don't get past a few IEM Group Stages and overtake that. Naniwa and stephano say hi for being "most successful foreigner all time" Neither of them are more successful than Huk. Huk has Code S (legitimately earnt and maintained over several seasons). 1st MLG Orlando 1st Dreamhack Summer 1st Homestory Cup 3rd MLG Winter Arena. As well as MLG Dallas although obviously that's pretty old and had no Koreans. That's more tournament wins with Koreans than Stephano (2) and Naniwa (0) and unlike them he's won and kept a Code S spot. He is easilly the most accomplished foreign player. Stephano is winning in the only number that matters: http://sc2earnings.com/
You don't actually believe that, do you?
Hypothetically, would you lend more credence towards someone who wins Code S or someone who wins some NA only tournament with a 200k prize pool?
I'm sure there are reasons to believe Stephano is good other than how much money he won, considering that the majority of tournaments he wins are minor online affairs.
Personally I think Stephano is better or on par with Huk right now, but thats mainly because I think Huk isn't playing as well as he used to. It has nothing to do with how much money they earn.
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On March 10 2012 00:00 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:52 dragonborn wrote:On March 09 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 kwizach wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Tump wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Jakkerr wrote:
Puma vs MC finals I think.
Feast is really good but I don't see him taking out MC in a PvP. HuK did why can't Feast? HuK is a way better player than Feast. Is he?-_-... Good that you have things to back that up. Jeez-_- Huk's won many, many major tournaments. He's the most successful foreigner of all time. You don't get past a few IEM Group Stages and overtake that. Naniwa and stephano say hi for being "most successful foreigner all time" Neither of them are more successful than Huk. Huk has Code S (legitimately earnt and maintained over several seasons). 1st MLG Orlando 1st Dreamhack Summer 1st Homestory Cup 3rd MLG Winter Arena. As well as MLG Dallas although obviously that's pretty old and had no Koreans. That's more tournament wins with Koreans than Stephano (2) and Naniwa (0) and unlike them he's won and kept a Code S spot. He is easilly the most accomplished foreign player. since u brought up koreans, he didn't play any at winter arena.
He got lucky and managed to beat Oz in a PvP.
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On March 09 2012 23:55 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:52 dragonborn wrote:On March 09 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 kwizach wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Tump wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Jakkerr wrote:
Puma vs MC finals I think.
Feast is really good but I don't see him taking out MC in a PvP. HuK did why can't Feast? HuK is a way better player than Feast. Is he?-_-... Good that you have things to back that up. Jeez-_- Huk's won many, many major tournaments. He's the most successful foreigner of all time. You don't get past a few IEM Group Stages and overtake that. Naniwa and stephano say hi for being "most successful foreigner all time" Neither of them are more successful than Huk. Huk has Code S (legitimately earnt and maintained over several seasons). 1st MLG Orlando 1st Dreamhack Summer 1st Homestory Cup 3rd MLG Winter Arena. As well as MLG Dallas although obviously that's pretty old and had no Koreans. That's more tournament wins with Koreans than Stephano (2) and Naniwa (0) and unlike them he's won and kept a Code S spot. He is easilly the most accomplished foreign player. Stephano is winning in the only number that matters: http://sc2earnings.com/
So true Kiyo!
Naniwa
1st MLG Dallas
1st MLG Invitational Europe
1st MLG Invitational Global Finals
2nd Home Story Cup
2nd MLG providence
2nd TSL3
Stephano
1st ESWC
1st IPL3
1st I44
1st IPL4 UK
2nd Assembly Winter
3rd Assembly Summer
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What the heck is feast doing with these super late DTS.
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Clever MC, following the good old PvP rule "when ahead, make robo".
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On March 10 2012 00:00 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:53 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 kwizach wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Tump wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Jakkerr wrote:
Puma vs MC finals I think.
Feast is really good but I don't see him taking out MC in a PvP. HuK did why can't Feast? HuK is a way better player than Feast. Is he?-_-... Good that you have things to back that up. Jeez-_- Huk's won many, many major tournaments. He's the most successful foreigner of all time. You don't get past a few IEM Group Stages and overtake that. Dreamhack, MLG Orlando and HomeStoryCup #3 is not many, many major tournaments to say the least. If a player is upcoming and rising he could very well be better than an already known player to the scene. Flash was better than a lot of high-format players when he still was a newcomer... You cannot just go and make a statement "Huk is superior to Feast" when actually you don't know and just take a look on statistics, lol. So how can you ever say anyone is better than anyone else if not through using evidence? Since Sc2's inception there's been countless up and comers like Feast who have just fizzled out because they either had a good few weeks, couldn't maintain the practice to keep at that level or weren't talented/dedicated enough to push on there. You can't just say Feast is more talented, he is because I say so but I have no actual evidence. What kind of argument is that? For all Feast's achievements Huk managed just as big of wins at MLG Arena than Feast did at all his IEM's. Plus he has his history of major wins, not ro8's or ro4's. Wins.
Please show me the quote where I did say Feast is better or superior, thanks. If you fail to read what I'm saying, its not my fault actually. :x
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On March 10 2012 00:00 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:52 dragonborn wrote:On March 09 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 kwizach wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Tump wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Jakkerr wrote:
Puma vs MC finals I think.
Feast is really good but I don't see him taking out MC in a PvP. HuK did why can't Feast? HuK is a way better player than Feast. Is he?-_-... Good that you have things to back that up. Jeez-_- Huk's won many, many major tournaments. He's the most successful foreigner of all time. You don't get past a few IEM Group Stages and overtake that. Naniwa and stephano say hi for being "most successful foreigner all time" Neither of them are more successful than Huk. Huk has Code S (legitimately earnt and maintained over several seasons). 1st MLG Orlando 1st Dreamhack Summer 1st Homestory Cup 3rd MLG Winter Arena. As well as MLG Dallas although obviously that's pretty old and had no Koreans. That's more tournament wins with Koreans than Stephano (2) and Naniwa (0) and unlike them he's won and kept a Code S spot. He is easilly the most accomplished foreign player. since u brought up koreans, he didn't play any at winter arena.
Yes, because OZ comes from Kansas.
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MC is playing this game really well
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hmm, hopefully feast gets a better start in map 2.
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MC dancing zealots XD
His play was sooo much better than Feast's that game... I wonder if Feast can keep up >.> Hopefully!
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well... mc will totally destroy feast this game ._.
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finally a toss that gets a robo after holding early aggression, love mc for not hoping for no dts.
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MC with a huge advantage now, I don't think there is any way he can lose.
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grubby is so good, my god.
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On March 09 2012 23:57 hrvoje07 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:54 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:52 dragonborn wrote:On March 09 2012 23:50 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 23:45 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 kwizach wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Tump wrote:On March 09 2012 23:40 Jakkerr wrote:
Puma vs MC finals I think.
Feast is really good but I don't see him taking out MC in a PvP. HuK did why can't Feast? HuK is a way better player than Feast. Is he?-_-... Good that you have things to back that up. Jeez-_- Huk's won many, many major tournaments. He's the most successful foreigner of all time. You don't get past a few IEM Group Stages and overtake that. Naniwa and stephano say hi for being "most successful foreigner all time" Neither of them are more successful than Huk. Huk has Code S (legitimately earnt and maintained over several seasons). 1st MLG Orlando 1st Dreamhack Summer 1st Homestory Cup 3rd MLG Winter Arena. As well as MLG Dallas although obviously that's pretty old and had no Koreans. That's more tournament wins with Koreans than Stephano (2) and Naniwa (0) and unlike them he's won and kept a Code S spot. He is easilly the most accomplished foreign player. 1st ESWC 1st IPL3 1st I44 2nd Assembly winter 3rd Assembly summer all tournaments with more than 1 korean except assembly summer which only had nada, fyi homestory cup only had mc as korean. and these wins are from the near past unlike huks go under you hating rock please.
I wouldn't count I44. Not a major tournament. Not to mention I'm not hating on Stephano or saying he's bad, I'm saying Huk is more successful.
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EPT
