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tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
March 06 2012 17:23 GMT
#2441
On March 07 2012 02:21 Tewks44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:20 sitromit wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:17 Fruitme wrote:
That shows you can beat the best with APM below 80


Seems to be true for Protoss and to some extent Terran (Goody, Sjow), we have yet to see a Zerg with really low APM and bad mechanics have any degree of success...


I love how you threw in the "bad mechanics" part to subtly imply that zerg is under powered compared to protoss and terran. Very classy

Subtle does not mean what you think it means.
My vanity is justified
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
March 06 2012 17:23 GMT
#2442
On March 07 2012 02:22 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:21 zefreak wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:20 sitromit wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:17 Fruitme wrote:
That shows you can beat the best with APM below 80


Seems to be true for Protoss and to some extent Terran (Goody, Sjow), we have yet to see a Zerg with really low APM and bad mechanics have any degree of success...


Who have goody and sjow beaten that can be considered the best?


Goody beat Nestea a lon time ago.
Sjow was a contender to beat code S terran in TvT during a while. ( going toe to toe against Bomber for example )


All I remember is Sjow being dominated vs Nestea at MLG Arena.. his low apm sure didn't help there (0 micro marines vs banelings)
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
March 06 2012 17:23 GMT
#2443
On March 07 2012 02:21 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:20 sitromit wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:17 Fruitme wrote:
That shows you can beat the best with APM below 80


Seems to be true for Protoss and to some extent Terran (Goody, Sjow), we have yet to see a Zerg with really low APM and bad mechanics have any degree of success...


Who have goody and sjow beaten that can be considered the best?


to be fair, goody has beaten nestea lol
you live and you learn
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
March 06 2012 17:23 GMT
#2444
On March 07 2012 02:22 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:21 zefreak wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:20 sitromit wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:17 Fruitme wrote:
That shows you can beat the best with APM below 80


Seems to be true for Protoss and to some extent Terran (Goody, Sjow), we have yet to see a Zerg with really low APM and bad mechanics have any degree of success...


Who have goody and sjow beaten that can be considered the best?


Goody beat Nestea a lon time ago.
Sjow was a contender to beat code S terran in TvT during a while. ( going toe to toe against Bomber for example )

Before people go and say that NesTea lost that due to the cross server lag: rewatch that series. His biggest issue was bad decision making, not lag. On Tal'Darim Altar he at least twice went with his units into siege tank range and donated some units without actually engaging or commiting.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
March 06 2012 17:24 GMT
#2445
On March 07 2012 02:19 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:17 msjakofsky wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:11 Heavenly wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:07 msjakofsky wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:01 Heavenly wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:00 msjakofsky wrote:

Chris Loranger ‏ @LorangerChris
everyon1 watch the esl stream and seriously look at the player cam of elfi, look at the lightning speed of his hands, and him beat MC. pvp..


didn't elfi destroy huk with those lightning speed hands? isn't it ironic


Not at all, he's mocking PvP, why would it be ironic that he lost in a matchup he thinks is stupid?


lol dude are you for real? he's mocking elfi and trying to belittle elfi's accomplishment as a good pvp player. what on earth justifies such bitter tweets while someone else is playing a really hard game?

he isn't funny and isn't even right.


Are you for real? Look at the last sentence: "pvp.."

As in, he thinks it's a joke that someone as slow as elfi can beat someone like MC.

Yes, he is mocking elfi, but it's not ironic because he's mocking the ridiculousness of PvP. He is superior in the other matchups because he is the superior player mechanically, but overall mechanics are not necessarily that important in PvP.


yeah you're right it's really classy to mock someone who kicked you're ass instead of recognizing that it's not all mechanics and elfi's really good at mindgames and game sense.

people like you give shit to goody too... i really hope elfi continues to beat the shit out of all your favorite protosses. yeah he's not that awesome at other matchups but his pvp is really world class, deal with it


What are you even ranting about lmao. "Deal with it" as if I care, I was correcting you about what Huk's intentions were with his statement. He beat my favorite player but MC is still first in the group, I couldn't care less.

Hahaha, lol at Huk's tweet (as in it's a tweet of someone bitter)...

Elfi played well, but you can see that he made very distinct mistakes:
- Failing to trap stalkers with FF.
- Failure to lift stalker with fleeing WP.
- Supply blocks at 50.
- At the final battle, didn't control his Colossus completely well.

He won because MC played risky and donated 5 stalkers trying to kill the rocks for some reason lol.

It's not the PvP matchup (in this case) that is the problem, it's that MC plays his usual risky style and gets punished for it.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
March 06 2012 17:24 GMT
#2446
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today.
MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
March 06 2012 17:24 GMT
#2447
Any word how the scheduled maintenance of bnet affects IEM? I think its from 5 to 11 am.
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
March 06 2012 17:24 GMT
#2448
On March 07 2012 02:20 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:17 Fruitme wrote:
That shows you can beat the best with APM below 80


Seems to be true for Protoss and to some extent Terran (Goody, Sjow), we have yet to see a Zerg with really low APM and bad mechanics have any degree of success...

Playing Zerg requires better mechanics. Playing Protoss requires insane micro, however. Some might say ZvZ is micro intensive but it is nothing compared to the unit control required by Protoss in all matchups.

Being slow doesn't necessarily mean bad mechanics or bad micro either.
Playgu
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
March 06 2012 17:24 GMT
#2449
On March 07 2012 02:19 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:17 msjakofsky wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:11 Heavenly wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:07 msjakofsky wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:01 Heavenly wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:00 msjakofsky wrote:

Chris Loranger ‏ @LorangerChris
everyon1 watch the esl stream and seriously look at the player cam of elfi, look at the lightning speed of his hands, and him beat MC. pvp..


didn't elfi destroy huk with those lightning speed hands? isn't it ironic


Not at all, he's mocking PvP, why would it be ironic that he lost in a matchup he thinks is stupid?


lol dude are you for real? he's mocking elfi and trying to belittle elfi's accomplishment as a good pvp player. what on earth justifies such bitter tweets while someone else is playing a really hard game?

he isn't funny and isn't even right.


Are you for real? Look at the last sentence: "pvp.."

As in, he thinks it's a joke that someone as slow as elfi can beat someone like MC.

Yes, he is mocking elfi, but it's not ironic because he's mocking the ridiculousness of PvP. He is superior in the other matchups because he is the superior player mechanically, but overall mechanics are not necessarily that important in PvP.


yeah you're right it's really classy to mock someone who kicked you're ass instead of recognizing that it's not all mechanics and elfi's really good at mindgames and game sense.

people like you give shit to goody too... i really hope elfi continues to beat the shit out of all your favorite protosses. yeah he's not that awesome at other matchups but his pvp is really world class, deal with it


What are you even ranting about lmao. "Deal with it" as if I care, I was correcting you about what Huk's intentions were with his statement. He beat my favorite player but MC is still first in the group, I couldn't care less.



and what the hell do you know about huk's intentions? it seems quite obvious that he is just bitter, and obviously you like huk better than elfi so you make an excuse for him.

or yeah you're right huk is just mocking the matchup which happens to be his worst, in which elfi beat his ass, and coincidentally he mocks elfi a little bit either, but this is all nice and good and justified because you like huk.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
March 06 2012 17:25 GMT
#2450
On March 07 2012 02:21 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:20 sitromit wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:17 Fruitme wrote:
That shows you can beat the best with APM below 80


Seems to be true for Protoss and to some extent Terran (Goody, Sjow), we have yet to see a Zerg with really low APM and bad mechanics have any degree of success...


Who have goody and sjow beaten that can be considered the best?


That's why I said "to some extent", they do OK, but can't beat the best. Goody did beat Nestea once though, even if it was with lag, and Sjow has taken quite a few games from top players, even if he lost the series.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 17:26:56
March 06 2012 17:25 GMT
#2451
On March 07 2012 02:21 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:20 Full.tilt wrote:
Pretty tough, both groups the 4th place player has beaten the 3rd place player and failed to go through


isnt elfi 2nd and hasu 3rd? hasu won over nerchio.


Ahh yeah, depends on the Hasu v White ra result.

edit: oh it wasnt updated on liquipedia, didn't know it had already been played.
Fruitalchemist
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Greenland51 Posts
March 06 2012 17:25 GMT
#2452
Did White-Ra make it?
<3 Huk <3 Drewbie....Manner > Skill
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 06 2012 17:26 GMT
#2453
On March 07 2012 02:19 gullberg wrote:
Elfi, he somehow wins. Guess you don't need APM


hes using a 20dollar microsoft keyboard that doesnt have nkey rollover so yeah.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
March 06 2012 17:26 GMT
#2454
On March 07 2012 02:25 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:21 KalWarkov wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:20 Full.tilt wrote:
Pretty tough, both groups the 4th place player has beaten the 3rd place player and failed to go through


isnt elfi 2nd and hasu 3rd? hasu won over nerchio.


Ahh yeah, depends on the Hasu v White ra result.

Elfi is 2nd.

Hope he can PvP his way to the finals. I genuinely find his PvP very intriguing to see eventhough it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
pepe08
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany566 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 17:27:37
March 06 2012 17:26 GMT
#2455
On March 07 2012 02:25 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:21 KalWarkov wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:20 Full.tilt wrote:
Pretty tough, both groups the 4th place player has beaten the 3rd place player and failed to go through


isnt elfi 2nd and hasu 3rd? hasu won over nerchio.


Ahh yeah, depends on the Hasu v White ra result.


+ Show Spoiler +
hasu lost 0-2 against white ra


so hasu 3rd, elfi 2nd
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
March 06 2012 17:26 GMT
#2456
how long does it typically take IEM to upload VODS? several days?
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
March 06 2012 17:26 GMT
#2457
On March 07 2012 02:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
It just makes me sad when my favorite player gets beaten/knocked out in pvp by a overall lesser skilled player. It's just sad.
So good to see MC made through today.

How boring would this game be to watch if beating someone 'more skilled' was impossible though? Even the best of the best only have ~70% win rates and that's a very good thing.
My vanity is justified
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 06 2012 17:27 GMT
#2458
I hope elfi meets JYP in the RO16, he can totally beat him.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
March 06 2012 17:27 GMT
#2459
On March 07 2012 02:24 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 02:20 sitromit wrote:
On March 07 2012 02:17 Fruitme wrote:
That shows you can beat the best with APM below 80


Seems to be true for Protoss and to some extent Terran (Goody, Sjow), we have yet to see a Zerg with really low APM and bad mechanics have any degree of success...

Playing Zerg requires better mechanics. Playing Protoss requires insane micro, however. Some might say ZvZ is micro intensive but it is nothing compared to the unit control required by Protoss in all matchups.

Being slow doesn't necessarily mean bad mechanics or bad micro either.


It kind of does actually, considering a large part of mechanics is multitasking which requires high apm. Micro doesn't require high apm if you play toss and let your macro slip, but try microing as terran with low apm and be successful. Probably why there are almost 0 good foreign terrans compared to P and Z
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
March 06 2012 17:27 GMT
#2460
Isn't Nerchio also 3-2? So there are four players at 3-2? What is the tiebreak in that situation?
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