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On February 12 2012 02:14 woob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 02:12 ZeromuS wrote: I have to point out where's woob? I thought he was telling us all that Terran can't beat protoss? its not fair how someone who is clearly much much better at the game, like supernova can lose to someone like real who isnt even top tier in europe supernova is supposed to own him!
SuperNoVa went 3-2 against some random Russian kid so is Zerg OP as well?
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1/1/1 inc. The moment I see that early supply depot I'm expanding and getting a robo.
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On February 12 2012 02:15 vndods wrote: 1-1-1 incoming. What do you expect? Its Dual Sight. Just as bad as Xel'Naga
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On February 12 2012 02:14 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 02:12 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 12 2012 02:12 XiGua wrote: Hm... Discussion topic:
Should the opponent be able to see if HTs have storm or not? No he shouldn't be able to. Why not? They can see if Roaches have burrowed movement. And templars with storm is way more important than roaches with burrowed movement
Because templars on the battlefield make terran think twice before engaging. If you see it's just a useless unit you a move and win.
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On February 12 2012 02:15 eourcs wrote: Why do they still use Dual Sight, I thought everybody agreed that it's a complete trash map.
Who know. Tournament still have shakuras or shattered temple so. :o
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Interesting build... Haven't seen this before.
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On February 12 2012 02:16 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 02:14 iamthedave wrote:On February 12 2012 02:12 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 12 2012 02:12 XiGua wrote: Hm... Discussion topic:
Should the opponent be able to see if HTs have storm or not? No he shouldn't be able to. Why not? They can see if Roaches have burrowed movement. And templars with storm is way more important than roaches with burrowed movement They can see Roaches moving while burrowed, they can't see whether the ability is there or not if the Zerg doesn't show it (as far as I'm aware). Same goes for HT and Storm. IIRC roaches get some sort of spike on their back or some other kind of visual effect when they have burrowed movement, like Speedlings get little wings.
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On February 12 2012 02:15 EatCrow wrote: Who the hell is pinging? The Brazilians.
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On February 12 2012 02:15 EatCrow wrote: Who the hell is pinging?
The pinging has been a persistent problem with this tournament. No one informed the various observers for various casts how to disable them nor to simply not do them.
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On February 12 2012 02:16 FreudianTrip wrote: 1/1/1 inc. The moment I see that early supply depot I'm expanding and getting a robo.
Nope :D
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On February 12 2012 02:12 ZeromuS wrote: I have to point out where's woob? I thought he was telling us all that Terran can't beat protoss?
Real made huge mistakes in both of the last two games. On lost temple he threw away a warpprism with 4 sentries while going all in off of 2 bases. On Shakuras he stayed on 2 bases forever (he never actually mined from his third Nexus) while his opponent already had 4 bases.
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On February 12 2012 02:11 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 02:02 Eee wrote:On February 12 2012 01:55 Seraphone wrote:On February 12 2012 01:52 Eee wrote:On February 12 2012 01:48 hrvoje07 wrote: Excuses for supernova have already started, atleast wait till series is over guys Well, Supernova is a Code S player and Real isn't even near the level of the top tier toss players in EU (Bling, TITAN, Bischu, Socke etc.). Even in EU he's known for being a notorious cheeser who doesn't really win macro games against anyone, and he's beating supernova (a guy who beat MC in GSL just some weeks ago). It doesn¨t really make any sense. I'd be the same if Catz was winning a bo5 against aLive or something. Real has played way, way better than anyone of those guys in 2012. Well Bischu hasnt really played any events in 2012, and I'd consider Sockes run in HSC 4 more impressive than Reals (Who IMO was very lucky with his groups). Maybe I didnt really give the best example of players, but I wouldnt consider Real up there with the top tosses in EU. If we're talking about 2012 I'd say Feast, Pomi and Grubby have been a lot more impressive than Real so far. Wrong again. Real has gone Ro4 at IEM Sao Paolo. Ro8 at HSC4. The only only other event this year has been IEM Kiev. No way did another EU Protoss play better than that. wrong with what? I didnt even say that any player had better results LOL? for being from UK, you're damn bad at understanding your own language.
Real was really lucky with his groups at HSC 4, Sockes run>Reals run. Socke won a group that consisted of ThorZaIN and Nerchio, while Real won a group consisting of 2 pvps + Dimaga (who had a horrible pvz at the time, and it's still his weakest matchup), and in the second groupstage he was without doubt in the easiest group. And really do you consider his IEM run impressive? really?
IMO Pomi, Grubby and Feast have had a thousand times more impressive runs in 2012.
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On February 12 2012 02:16 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 02:14 woob wrote:On February 12 2012 02:12 ZeromuS wrote: I have to point out where's woob? I thought he was telling us all that Terran can't beat protoss? its not fair how someone who is clearly much much better at the game, like supernova can lose to someone like real who isnt even top tier in europe supernova is supposed to own him! SuperNoVa went 3-2 against some random Russian kid so is Zerg OP as well? no
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" Hellions are so cost effective ! "
3 hellions cost more than 5 probes Rotti <<
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On February 12 2012 02:18 Noocta wrote: " Hellions are so cost effective ! "
3 hellions cost more than 5 probes Rotti <<
+ mining time.
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On February 12 2012 02:18 Noocta wrote: " Hellions are so cost effective ! "
3 hellions cost more than 5 probes Rotti << You have to add the minerls which they would mine being alive ,)
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On February 12 2012 02:16 Flanq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 02:16 Talin wrote:On February 12 2012 02:14 iamthedave wrote:On February 12 2012 02:12 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 12 2012 02:12 XiGua wrote: Hm... Discussion topic:
Should the opponent be able to see if HTs have storm or not? No he shouldn't be able to. Why not? They can see if Roaches have burrowed movement. And templars with storm is way more important than roaches with burrowed movement They can see Roaches moving while burrowed, they can't see whether the ability is there or not if the Zerg doesn't show it (as far as I'm aware). Same goes for HT and Storm. IIRC roaches get some sort of spike on their back or some other kind of visual effect when they have burrowed movement, like Speedlings get little wings.
Oh.
Well that's useful to know. I had no idea
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On February 12 2012 02:16 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 02:15 eourcs wrote: Why do they still use Dual Sight, I thought everybody agreed that it's a complete trash map. Who know. Tournament still have shakuras or shattered temple so. :o What? Shakuras is a great map.
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On February 12 2012 02:18 woob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 02:16 NexUmbra wrote:On February 12 2012 02:14 woob wrote:On February 12 2012 02:12 ZeromuS wrote: I have to point out where's woob? I thought he was telling us all that Terran can't beat protoss? its not fair how someone who is clearly much much better at the game, like supernova can lose to someone like real who isnt even top tier in europe supernova is supposed to own him! SuperNoVa went 3-2 against some random Russian kid so is Zerg OP as well? no
So your argument only applies to Protoss
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On February 12 2012 02:18 Noocta wrote: " Hellions are so cost effective ! "
3 hellions cost more than 5 probes Rotti << Lost mining time from the 5 missing probes+probe pull = it was good for the terran
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