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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#761
Jjakji doesn't need to make extra bunkers Artosis. Jjakji rarely expands before 10 mins in TvP.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#762
Go Parting! Win with amazing games!
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#763
On February 08 2012 18:41 Azzur wrote:
Anyways, Ganzi's TvP has always been pretty poor - these games showing why


Ganzi's TvP is down right awful, hence why MC picked him, basically a free win for him.
@followMVT
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#764
On February 08 2012 18:35 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope you guys realize that a 5 gate is a PRESSURE build- not a kill build, Ganzi was just caught off guard- almost every terran nowadays makes 2 bunkers vP so this doesn't happen. Play greedy against MC=lose


Against terran in the current metagame, it is a kill build or at least has to do a lot of damage. You sacrifice all tech or any upgrades, which is a terrible position to be in against terran, even if he delays his medivacs.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#765
On February 08 2012 18:42 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 18:37 Meovin- wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:35 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope you guys realize that a 5 gate is a PRESSURE build- not a kill build, Ganzi was just caught off guard- almost every terran nowadays makes 2 bunkers vP so this doesn't happen. Play greedy against MC=lose


I love MC but that was pretty allin, he had 3 workers less than the terran and no tech. Why he choose a 5gate now and an 8gate in the previous game where he had like the same amount of workers is a complete mistery to me though ...

Because the second game was 1 gate FE, while the first was Nexus first (i. e. more economy earlier). Basically, in the first game, he was planning to go 6-gates, then added 2 gates to get the kill once he saw Ganzi losing his Marines. The idea behind the 8-gates is the same as the 4-gates—you can only fuel one or two Warp-ins cycles with all your Warpgates (at least Stalker-wise), but you get a scary army this way during this window, and you use it to kill your opponent.

first was a 1gate fe
second was 1gate core -> fe
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#766
I expected it. -_-

As did many other people, actually. xD
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#767
On February 08 2012 18:41 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, people who think he can't macro, compare his stream to other protoss streams. There's a small but clear difference between him and someone like Huk or Hero. He seems to literally always have perfect timings on when a building is finished to then select it and start building out of it, never misses probe production, never gets supply blocked, and almost all buildings go down exactly when he has the money even on three base. There's a small but clear difference between his macro and many other protoss streamers.

This! MC has some beastly Macro. He just chooses to win earlier when he thinks he can.... If you notice he only goes all in after scouting certain things. If he scouts his opponent well defended he will go into a macro game and crush people.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#768
Gogo Jjakji ! Love the stats GOM are introducing.
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong747 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#769
MC plays this way because he reads opponents correctly most of the time - he makes fine adjustments to his attacks that only higher level players understand. It's not like he does the exact same build blindly every game, no other Toss can do what he does. Because if its 'no skill' then every other Toss would do the same thing against terran to win, but they can't, simply because they are not as good as him.
Madera
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#770
Jjakji should raise his chair, that looks horrible.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#771
On February 08 2012 18:43 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 18:41 Azzur wrote:
Anyways, Ganzi's TvP has always been pretty poor - these games showing why


Ganzi's TvP is down right awful, hence why MC picked him, basically a free win for him.



Also, MC is like 8-0 vs him? or is more...have BW history too
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#772
On February 08 2012 18:43 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 18:41 Azzur wrote:
Anyways, Ganzi's TvP has always been pretty poor - these games showing why


Ganzi's TvP is down right awful, hence why MC picked him, basically a free win for him.

I like how MMA was the only one who didnt pic what they think is a free win. Pick the guy that knocked you out the previous season. Pretty ballsy but it worked out
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#773
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Typhon
Profile Joined July 2009
United States387 Posts
February 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#774
Yeah, just because the gold-league all-ins you guys face on ladder are because your opponent sucks at macro doesn't mean that MC sucks at macro. No need to project your ladder frustrations on a pro. What's next, July doesn't have the mechanics to play a real macro game either?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
February 08 2012 09:44 GMT
#775
On February 08 2012 18:42 JJH777 wrote:
Maybe bad macro is the wrong way to put it he is just extremely 1 dimensional.


No, he's a smart player and does what it takes to win.

Change the map-pool if you want MC to play macro games, because he knows that 2-base timings are the best option for him on certain maps.
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artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
February 08 2012 09:44 GMT
#776
ack off-brand cheerios can be pretty bad
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
February 08 2012 09:44 GMT
#777
both players expo first... long epic macro game!
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 08 2012 09:44 GMT
#778
On February 08 2012 18:43 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 18:42 TheDwf wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:37 Meovin- wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:35 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I hope you guys realize that a 5 gate is a PRESSURE build- not a kill build, Ganzi was just caught off guard- almost every terran nowadays makes 2 bunkers vP so this doesn't happen. Play greedy against MC=lose


I love MC but that was pretty allin, he had 3 workers less than the terran and no tech. Why he choose a 5gate now and an 8gate in the previous game where he had like the same amount of workers is a complete mistery to me though ...

Because the second game was 1 gate FE, while the first was Nexus first (i. e. more economy earlier). Basically, in the first game, he was planning to go 6-gates, then added 2 gates to get the kill once he saw Ganzi losing his Marines. The idea behind the 8-gates is the same as the 4-gates—you can only fuel one or two Warp-ins cycles with all your Warpgates (at least Stalker-wise), but you get a scary army this way during this window, and you use it to kill your opponent.

first was a 1gate fe
second was 1gate core -> fe

OK, I had not seen the very beginning of the first game. (;
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
February 08 2012 09:44 GMT
#779
15 cc vs 15 nexus? lol
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
February 08 2012 09:44 GMT
#780
On February 08 2012 18:42 zhurai wrote:
Game 1:
TvP
jjakji vs parting
Map: Metropolis

jjakji spawning at top right
parting spawning at bottom right

cc first for jjakji into 2rax
nexus first for parting into gate (so far)
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
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