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On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to!
Terrans lost? NERF PROTOSS!
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Oh yeah, +1 Immortals and 75/75 less cost for upgrades really break the back bone of terran. It seems like blanket EMP is too hard, now that it has the same radius like storm and fungal.
When toss wins, toss OP, when terrans win they're just better.
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Wow, I guess the winners of each match up right lol.
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On February 09 2012 03:48 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 03:44 s3rp wrote:On February 09 2012 03:43 trinxified wrote:
Why can't just people accept that the protoss who played this morning was better instead of whining about balance? Because Parting made very big mistakes that should've lost him at least 2 more Maps. As Zerg or Terran donating that big of an army he would've died . Balance/Imbalance OP/Not OP TvP is just big bucket of suck to play even if you win it still feels stupid. Parting made mistakes, and so did jjakji.
And Jjakijis instantly lost him the game while Partings just forced him to defend. And it's not like Jjakji made bigger mistakes.
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Can't belive terran whine when it's 3 protoss and 3 terran left. I gess they are used to all RO8 being Terran with one token zerg or protoss. Sorry guys blanace is 33/33/33%
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On February 09 2012 03:52 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 03:48 trinxified wrote:On February 09 2012 03:44 s3rp wrote:On February 09 2012 03:43 trinxified wrote:
Why can't just people accept that the protoss who played this morning was better instead of whining about balance? Because Parting made very big mistakes that should've lost him at least 2 more Maps. As Zerg or Terran donating that big of an army he would've died . Balance/Imbalance OP/Not OP TvP is just big bucket of suck to play even if you win it still feels stupid. Parting made mistakes, and so did jjakji. And Jjakijis instantly lost him the game while Partings just forced him to defend. And it's not like Jjakji made bigger mistakes.
Everyone is wrong, it's because this is an LR thread and when one race loses they are underpowered of course
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On February 09 2012 03:59 tdt wrote:
Can't belive terran whine when it's 3 protoss and 3 terran left. I gess they are used to all RO8 being Terran with one token zerg or protoss. Sorry guys blanace is 33/33/33%
I can't believe I even have to say this but you have to look at the games to understand why people are whining. Can't just say "well its balanced because there's an equal racial distribution".
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On February 09 2012 04:02 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 03:52 s3rp wrote:On February 09 2012 03:48 trinxified wrote:On February 09 2012 03:44 s3rp wrote:On February 09 2012 03:43 trinxified wrote:
Why can't just people accept that the protoss who played this morning was better instead of whining about balance? Because Parting made very big mistakes that should've lost him at least 2 more Maps. As Zerg or Terran donating that big of an army he would've died . Balance/Imbalance OP/Not OP TvP is just big bucket of suck to play even if you win it still feels stupid. Parting made mistakes, and so did jjakji. And Jjakijis instantly lost him the game while Partings just forced him to defend. And it's not like Jjakji made bigger mistakes. Everyone is wrong, it's because this is an LR thread and when one race loses they are underpowered of course
I'm not complaing about balance i'm complaing about a totally fucked up MU like just about every Terran. The state of Terran vs Protoss is just totally stupid. Every Terran HATES to play Protoss right now it doesn't even matter Bronze or GM/Pro nobody wants to play vs Toss . Even if i win i'd rather play a TvT / TvZ and might lose at least i have fun in those games.
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Yeah MC!!! And Parting doing work! This guy came out of nowhere from what I have seen (other than the past month or two).
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On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to!
Like it's supposed to?
Stop throwing around absolutes unless you are a Korean, at minimum Code B, logging 25+ games a day. Anything lower and you better get a flame-retardant suit instead of that measly umbrella of "flame me all you want."
Think about it though. Are either Jjakji or GanZi known for their amazing TvP? *Insert resounding* NO. Jjakji is pretty decent but GanZi is downright terrible.
They got handled by one TvP GOD in MC and another known for OUTSTANDING TvP against Terrans like Clide, NaDa, TOP, and now Jjakji. Don't throw out balance whine with such baseless accusations.
On note...... MC!!!! :D))))) -}-<
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On February 09 2012 03:59 tdt wrote:
Can't belive terran whine when it's 3 protoss and 3 terran left. I gess they are used to all RO8 being Terran with one token zerg or protoss. Sorry guys blanace is 33/33/33%
It isn't based on raw numbers of who is left, it is based on the content of the games played.
For instance: I have no issues at all with the metropolis game. Jjakji scouts the quick third, and decides to go for a 2 base ghost all-in to try to kill the protoss before too much splash is on the field. Protoss should have won that game.
However, the game on cloud kingdom just seemed ridiculous. Parting forgets charge, a key component to the strategy he is trying to execute. He has his third denied twice - he is forced to cancel each time right after the nexus is over half built. Jjakji has 2-1 or 3-1 (I'll have to go back and look, either way he was ahead of protoss in upgrade) and is putting up a fourth when protoss is finally establishing his third. Parting lets his army get cornered and killed for basically nothing, it is a completely one-sided stomping and jjakji is up by a huge amount of supply... and he can not kill the protoss no matter what he does. Protoss just warps in zealots and cannons and storms all over the equally or better upgraded terran army until he gets his deathball and just one-shots planetaries and kills everything. Jjakji tries, but can't drop because Parting smartly uses cannons and templar to defend his bases.
The game on Antiga was under similar circumstances, Jjakji up by a large amount of supply, scans the protoss third while it is being built and sees colossus and templar, and even though he has a much larger army he just freezes because he cannot attack into it. He could risk it and hope storm wasn't done building, but then it is just blind luck if he wins. Later, parting donates his army again, and again he can not be killed. That Jjakji landed his vikings made sense, after all he just CRUSHED through a protoss army supply efficiently, but no - Parting just warped in zealots and spammed storms everywhere and terran could not kill him.
The game on Daybreak doesn't even make sense to me, it defies all RTS logic.
You cannot rely on statistics and win-rates to make any claim about balance. In the Cloud Kingdom and Antiga games, parting made enormous mistakes, mistakes that if Jjakji had made, would've ended the game instantly.
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On February 09 2012 04:11 SwizzY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to! Like it's supposed to? Stop throwing around absolutes unless you are a Korean, at minimum Code B, logging 25+ games a day. Anything lower and you better get a flame-retardant suit instead of that measly umbrella of "flame me all you want." Think about it though. Are either Jjakji or GanZi known for their amazing TvP? *Insert resounding* NO. Jjakji is pretty decent but GanZi is downright terrible. They got handled by one TvP GOD in MC and another known for OUTSTANDING TvP against Terrans like Clide, NaDa, TOP, and now Jjakji. Don't throw out balance whine with such baseless accusations. On note...... MC!!!! :D))))) -}-<
The most important question is ....
What the fuck kind of emoticon is that? o_O
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Are there seriously Terran players in this thread complaining about a races potential to come back from a lost game?
Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable.
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On February 09 2012 04:13 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 04:11 SwizzY wrote:On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to! Like it's supposed to? Stop throwing around absolutes unless you are a Korean, at minimum Code B, logging 25+ games a day. Anything lower and you better get a flame-retardant suit instead of that measly umbrella of "flame me all you want." Think about it though. Are either Jjakji or GanZi known for their amazing TvP? *Insert resounding* NO. Jjakji is pretty decent but GanZi is downright terrible. They got handled by one TvP GOD in MC and another known for OUTSTANDING TvP against Terrans like Clide, NaDa, TOP, and now Jjakji. Don't throw out balance whine with such baseless accusations. On note...... MC!!!! :D))))) -}-< The most important question is .... What the fuck kind of emoticon is that? o_O
Maybe its a bow and arrow? I'm stumped.
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On February 09 2012 04:11 SwizzY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to! Like it's supposed to? Stop throwing around absolutes unless you are a Korean, at minimum Code B, logging 25+ games a day. Anything lower and you better get a flame-retardant suit instead of that measly umbrella of "flame me all you want." Think about it though. Are either Jjakji or GanZi known for their amazing TvP? *Insert resounding* NO. Jjakji is pretty decent but GanZi is downright terrible. They got handled by one TvP GOD in MC and another known for OUTSTANDING TvP against Terrans like Clide, NaDa, TOP, and now Jjakji. Don't throw out balance whine with such baseless accusations. On note...... MC!!!! :D))))) -}-<
MC hasnt been a TvP god for a long time now. He has a godly PvP with a obscene winrate in it but TvP hes sitting at just 58% with a 43-30 record.
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On February 09 2012 04:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 04:13 babylon wrote:On February 09 2012 04:11 SwizzY wrote:On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to! Like it's supposed to? Stop throwing around absolutes unless you are a Korean, at minimum Code B, logging 25+ games a day. Anything lower and you better get a flame-retardant suit instead of that measly umbrella of "flame me all you want." Think about it though. Are either Jjakji or GanZi known for their amazing TvP? *Insert resounding* NO. Jjakji is pretty decent but GanZi is downright terrible. They got handled by one TvP GOD in MC and another known for OUTSTANDING TvP against Terrans like Clide, NaDa, TOP, and now Jjakji. Don't throw out balance whine with such baseless accusations. On note...... MC!!!! :D))))) -}-< The most important question is .... What the fuck kind of emoticon is that? o_O Maybe its a bow and arrow? I'm stumped.
It's clearly a really happy person. The entire body is there too. I don't understand how you can't see that. Tilt your heads.
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On February 09 2012 04:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 04:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 09 2012 04:13 babylon wrote:On February 09 2012 04:11 SwizzY wrote:On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to! Like it's supposed to? Stop throwing around absolutes unless you are a Korean, at minimum Code B, logging 25+ games a day. Anything lower and you better get a flame-retardant suit instead of that measly umbrella of "flame me all you want." Think about it though. Are either Jjakji or GanZi known for their amazing TvP? *Insert resounding* NO. Jjakji is pretty decent but GanZi is downright terrible. They got handled by one TvP GOD in MC and another known for OUTSTANDING TvP against Terrans like Clide, NaDa, TOP, and now Jjakji. Don't throw out balance whine with such baseless accusations. On note...... MC!!!! :D))))) -}-< The most important question is .... What the fuck kind of emoticon is that? o_O Maybe its a bow and arrow? I'm stumped. It's clearly a really happy person. The entire body is there too. I don't understand how you can't see that. Tilt your heads.
The body, sure. -}-< is pretty clear, but what's the ))))) all about? o_o
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On February 09 2012 04:19 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 04:11 SwizzY wrote:On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to! Like it's supposed to? Stop throwing around absolutes unless you are a Korean, at minimum Code B, logging 25+ games a day. Anything lower and you better get a flame-retardant suit instead of that measly umbrella of "flame me all you want." Think about it though. Are either Jjakji or GanZi known for their amazing TvP? *Insert resounding* NO. Jjakji is pretty decent but GanZi is downright terrible. They got handled by one TvP GOD in MC and another known for OUTSTANDING TvP against Terrans like Clide, NaDa, TOP, and now Jjakji. Don't throw out balance whine with such baseless accusations. On note...... MC!!!! :D))))) -}-< MC hasnt been a TvP god for a long time now. He has a godly PvP with a obscene winrate in it but TvP hes sitting at just 58% with a 43-30 record.
MC was a PvP god with good PvT and fairly mediocre PvZ.
Cue slump.
Now he's what people like to call a PvT god, with fairly mediocre PvZ and ... well, okayish PvP. It was horrendous during his slump and kind of a little bit after but it's been improving again recently.
His PvP really was much better before he started slumping. It was like HuK (whose worse MU before was PvP, which is now incidentally his best MU) sucked all his PvP powers from him.
On February 09 2012 04:22 Talionis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 04:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 09 2012 04:13 Mohdoo wrote:On February 09 2012 04:13 babylon wrote:On February 09 2012 04:11 SwizzY wrote:On February 09 2012 03:45 CaptainCrush wrote:On February 09 2012 03:08 songohan wrote:
ahh it's good to see the people with real skill advance. You mean Jjakji, the guy that was #3 on the top 5 korean list just a few days ago, has no skill? Jjakji, the guy that went deep into the previous code S tournament? MC is a world class player but I honestly think a few other tossers are still in code S because of recent buffs. Flame me all you want but its about time toss started using its potential, it has been an incredibly abusive race from the start, there just werent enough people taking advantage of it. Hopefully they will have some of their recent/ unecessary buffs taken back so this game can continue like its supposed to! Like it's supposed to? Stop throwing around absolutes unless you are a Korean, at minimum Code B, logging 25+ games a day. Anything lower and you better get a flame-retardant suit instead of that measly umbrella of "flame me all you want." Think about it though. Are either Jjakji or GanZi known for their amazing TvP? *Insert resounding* NO. Jjakji is pretty decent but GanZi is downright terrible. They got handled by one TvP GOD in MC and another known for OUTSTANDING TvP against Terrans like Clide, NaDa, TOP, and now Jjakji. Don't throw out balance whine with such baseless accusations. On note...... MC!!!! :D))))) -}-< The most important question is .... What the fuck kind of emoticon is that? o_O Maybe its a bow and arrow? I'm stumped. It's clearly a really happy person. The entire body is there too. I don't understand how you can't see that. Tilt your heads. The body, sure. -}-< is pretty clear, but what's the ))))) all about? o_o
OH, I SEE IT NOW.
The extra ))))) are just extra smilies. I'm more familiar with that from Russian forums though. Also, usually it's not :D)))), but more  ))).
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What's up with immortal whine these days? I admit I don't watch much pro games, but I don't get it.
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