When: Wednesday, Feb 01 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Wednesday, Feb 01 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 16 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 1. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
Evil Geniuses PuMa DeMusliM IdrA Machine LzGaMeR HuK JYP iNcontroL
Old Generations TOP NaDa Ensnare Gon TheStC Supernova Fin Illusion TheWind JookTo Luvsic Cezanne JongMi InCa Spunky VINES
The First Game for this match of IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 is on Wednesday, Feb 01 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Wednesday, Feb 01 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
On January 31 2012 03:26 Mista Menace wrote: Is it Tuesday yet?
Not yet according to my lack of Final Fantasy XIII-2. Thankfully, I can now watch this to distract myself from spoilers while my girlfriend gets first dibs on the game. All I have to do is actually remember to set a reminder to watch my idra
On January 31 2012 04:28 red4ce wrote: Compared to Korean teams, EG isn't deep enough for a Bo9. Idra and JYP are easily sniped so it all comes down to Puma and Huk.
Demuslim is going to have to step it up this series. Demuslim is really inconsistent, making incredible runs during MLG Raleigh and NASL Season 2 regular season, but also misses too many tournament due to various reasons. EG might want to use Idra and JYP as snipers, Huk and Puma as their mainstays, and use Demuslim and Machine to draw out the oGs players.
On January 31 2012 04:28 red4ce wrote: Compared to Korean teams, EG isn't deep enough for a Bo9. Idra and JYP are easily sniped so it all comes down to Puma and Huk.
EG might want to use Idra and JYP as snipers, Huk and Puma as their mainstays, and use Demuslim and Machine to draw out the oGs players.
I like the way you completely disagree on the sniper/main players :D.
I think in this match JYP will be a sniper, because oGs is pretty much all terran, and JYP vs terran is just terrible. Maybe he will be send for Inca, vines or an oGs zerg. The fact is that SuperNova is likely to make sth like 2-3 kills (he's in a great shape), and EG will have to deal with FroGG/NaDaTheStc for the terrans. I think the key players will be Puma and HuK, sorry for idra fans but he's not that good vs terran, and considering the number of good terran oGs have (nearly as much as slayers), he will have trouble to do more than 1 kill :/
On January 31 2012 04:28 red4ce wrote: Compared to Korean teams, EG isn't deep enough for a Bo9. Idra and JYP are easily sniped so it all comes down to Puma and Huk.
EG might want to use Idra and JYP as snipers, Huk and Puma as their mainstays, and use Demuslim and Machine to draw out the oGs players.
I like the way you completely disagree on the sniper/main players :D.
I think in this match JYP will be a sniper, because oGs is pretty much all terran, and JYP vs terran is just terrible. Maybe he will be send for Inca, vines or an oGs zerg. The fact is that SuperNova is likely to make sth like 2-3 kills (he's in a great shape), and EG will have to deal with FroGG/NaDaTheStc for the terrans. I think the key players will be Puma and HuK, sorry for idra fans but he's not that good vs terran, and considering the number of good terran oGs have (nearly as much as slayers), he will have trouble to do more than 1 kill :/
hmmm? ZvT is the only MU that I think IdrA has a chance in vs. near-top/top Korean terran o.0
On January 31 2012 04:28 red4ce wrote: Compared to Korean teams, EG isn't deep enough for a Bo9. Idra and JYP are easily sniped so it all comes down to Puma and Huk.
EG might want to use Idra and JYP as snipers, Huk and Puma as their mainstays, and use Demuslim and Machine to draw out the oGs players.
I like the way you completely disagree on the sniper/main players :D.
I think in this match JYP will be a sniper, because oGs is pretty much all terran, and JYP vs terran is just terrible. Maybe he will be send for Inca, vines or an oGs zerg. The fact is that SuperNova is likely to make sth like 2-3 kills (he's in a great shape), and EG will have to deal with FroGG/NaDaTheStc for the terrans. I think the key players will be Puma and HuK, sorry for idra fans but he's not that good vs terran, and considering the number of good terran oGs have (nearly as much as slayers), he will have trouble to do more than 1 kill :/
I don't think there was too much disagreement there. red4ce mentioned how JYP and Idra are easily sniped, but that Huk and Puma are more solid, all-around players. I agree with that, but I also added how JYP and Idra are snipers themselves. I think me and you are also pretty much in agreement for the most part, except for the part on Idra. I think Idra has a very solid ZvT. If Vines and Inca are eliminated early, Idra's value will increase as he is like likely to play his weak MU.
On January 31 2012 07:51 KvltMan wrote: Will be very interesting to see... I think it will follow in this order:
For EG:
PuMa JYP IdrA HuK Ace: PuMa
oGs
fOrGG SuperNova TOP Vines Ace: SuperNova
I can't see SuperNoVa being oGs ' ace-- maybe fOrGG, maybe TOP, maybe TheStC-- but most likely a Terran. That being said, I could see EG bringing up IdrA-- he has the best vT on the team when he's on form.
On January 31 2012 07:51 KvltMan wrote: Will be very interesting to see... I think it will follow in this order:
For EG:
PuMa JYP IdrA HuK Ace: PuMa
oGs
fOrGG SuperNova TOP Vines Ace: SuperNova
I can't see SuperNoVa being oGs ' ace-- maybe fOrGG, maybe TOP, maybe TheStC-- but most likely a Terran. That being said, I could see EG bringing up IdrA-- he has the best vT on the team when he's on form.
On January 31 2012 07:51 KvltMan wrote: Will be very interesting to see... I think it will follow in this order:
For EG:
PuMa JYP IdrA HuK Ace: PuMa
oGs
fOrGG SuperNova TOP Vines Ace: SuperNova
I can't see SuperNoVa being oGs ' ace-- maybe fOrGG, maybe TOP, maybe TheStC-- but most likely a Terran. That being said, I could see EG bringing up IdrA-- he has the best vT on the team when he's on form.
Why the hell not Supernova? He's been the ace in GSTL and in the KSL, if EG manages to get the game to the ace match, which I doubt, oGs will most likely play him.
And of course they're going to have to bring out IdrA, EG has only four to five people I'd consider able to maybe take a game and IdrA is one of them.
On January 31 2012 07:51 KvltMan wrote: Will be very interesting to see... I think it will follow in this order:
For EG:
PuMa JYP IdrA HuK Ace: PuMa
oGs
fOrGG SuperNova TOP Vines Ace: SuperNova
I can't see SuperNoVa being oGs ' ace-- maybe fOrGG, maybe TOP, maybe TheStC-- but most likely a Terran. That being said, I could see EG bringing up IdrA-- he has the best vT on the team when he's on form.
SuperNoVa IS the oGs ace. Go check the oGs winner interview from GSTL!
Top/stc/nada/forgg are probably the top of the line, and with essentially only 5 eg players capable of taking out ogs' top line, they should have it especially easy since they don't even need to win more then 1 game each-they can just trade blows with eg and still come out on top due to depth. Even without mc, ogs will be completely fine
On January 31 2012 07:51 KvltMan wrote: Will be very interesting to see... I think it will follow in this order:
For EG:
PuMa JYP IdrA HuK Ace: PuMa
oGs
fOrGG SuperNova TOP Vines Ace: SuperNova
I can't see SuperNoVa being oGs ' ace-- maybe fOrGG, maybe TOP, maybe TheStC-- but most likely a Terran. That being said, I could see EG bringing up IdrA-- he has the best vT on the team when he's on form.
SuperNova is the ace of oGs. He is their best player by a mile at the moment. Dude is an absolute beast. People forget he is also a former Brood War guy. Not high profile like ForGG, but he's better than anyone on oGs at this second.
On January 31 2012 09:05 Fionn wrote: SuperNova is the ace of oGs. He is their best player by a mile at the moment. Dude is an absolute beast. People forget he is also a former Brood War guy. Not high profile like ForGG, but he's better than anyone on oGs at this second.
ForGG isn't even close to being ace, I am surprised how deluded by the hype people are. ForGG has lost all of his recent televised games (that I have watched), in team leagues, Code S, and FXOpenIS #5. He might rank 3rd or 4th in oGs. After NaDa or STC, and others.
On January 31 2012 09:05 Fionn wrote: SuperNova is the ace of oGs. He is their best player by a mile at the moment. Dude is an absolute beast. People forget he is also a former Brood War guy. Not high profile like ForGG, but he's better than anyone on oGs at this second.
remember there was a reason jinro said he wouldnt fuck over a friend.
so EG's probably going to send out Puma, JYP, Huk, and Idra. curious as to who the 5th would be. demuslim hasnt shown great results lately, so it would be between demuslim, incontrol, lzgamer, and machine. which of them has the best vT?
On January 31 2012 09:05 Fionn wrote: SuperNova is the ace of oGs. He is their best player by a mile at the moment. Dude is an absolute beast. People forget he is also a former Brood War guy. Not high profile like ForGG, but he's better than anyone on oGs at this second.
Yep. I'd even say better than everyone not named MVP or MMA. Unless EG somehow manage to he up 4-0 or 4-1 so they have a lot of tries on supernova, I don't see how oGs could lose.
On January 31 2012 09:05 Fionn wrote: SuperNova is the ace of oGs. He is their best player by a mile at the moment. Dude is an absolute beast. People forget he is also a former Brood War guy. Not high profile like ForGG, but he's better than anyone on oGs at this second.
Yep. I'd even say better than everyone not named MVP or MMA. Unless EG somehow manage to he up 4-0 or 4-1 so they have a lot of tries on supernova, I don't see how oGs could lose.
Yep. Originally I had jjakji at #3, but I think recently in the smaller tournys and even GSL supernova has looked a lot better, and he's a lot more well-rounded. Still can't compare to MMA or MVP though, honestly. Different tiers.
On January 31 2012 09:20 The Final Boss wrote: oGs's line-up is too good. EG doesn't really have an answer for SuperNoVa or fOrGG, plus they've gotta get through NaDa and TheStC.
HuK easily 2-0'd ForGG in Korean Weekly. HuK, JYP, IdrA or even PuMa have a good chance at him. Give me a break on this hype, please.
On January 31 2012 09:20 The Final Boss wrote: oGs's line-up is too good. EG doesn't really have an answer for SuperNoVa or fOrGG, plus they've gotta get through NaDa and TheStC.
HuK easily 2-0'd ForGG in Korean Weekly. HuK, JYP, IdrA or even PuMa have a good chance at him. Give me a break on this hype, please.
Fine by me if you all think that forgg is over-rated but oGs has several several players capable of all-killing EG. EG only has huk/puma/jyp who can be sniped. . . EG has too few good players to ever hope of winning this save a miraculous all kill which is just simply unlikely to happen; oGs just has way too good of a lineup for them. There should however be a couple of really nice games .
ffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu I read this as today so I even set aside time for it and everything and now.... I have to wait for tomorrow, where I don't even think I can watch ;(
EDIT: And reading through this thread....... NaDa/ForGG over STC/Super? Ya'll cray cray .
On January 31 2012 09:48 MyTHicaL wrote: Fine by me if you all think that forgg is over-rated but oGs has several several players capable of all-killing EG. EG only has huk/puma/jyp who can be sniped. . . EG has too few good players to ever hope of winning this save a miraculous all kill which is just simply unlikely to happen; oGs just has way too good of a lineup for them. There should however be a couple of really nice games .
Actually, I feel that the only player EG should be scared about is Supernova, as they literally have no one capable of taking him out unless someone prepared. I feel that HuK is capable of beating all of their other Terrans, Zergs and Protosses on his own, let alone the fact that EG have PuMa, IdrA and JYP. JYP should be able to handle any of the oGs zergs with ease, and IdrA might be able to go toe-to-toe with NaDa and StC but probably not Supernova.
On January 31 2012 07:51 KvltMan wrote: Will be very interesting to see... I think it will follow in this order:
For EG:
PuMa JYP IdrA HuK Ace: PuMa
oGs
fOrGG SuperNova TOP Vines Ace: SuperNova
I can't see SuperNoVa being oGs ' ace-- maybe fOrGG, maybe TOP, maybe TheStC-- but most likely a Terran. That being said, I could see EG bringing up IdrA-- he has the best vT on the team when he's on form.
Supernova not the ace... what...?
The terran who looks terrible in his losing streak over the one who's currently on fire?
I'm bummed because I'll be gone tomorrow so I won't be able to watch this live and I know I'll definitely check out the score before I'm able to watch the VoDs and thus spoil myself.
On January 31 2012 07:51 KvltMan wrote: Will be very interesting to see... I think it will follow in this order:
For EG:
PuMa JYP IdrA HuK Ace: PuMa
oGs
fOrGG SuperNova TOP Vines Ace: SuperNova
I can't see SuperNoVa being oGs ' ace-- maybe fOrGG, maybe TOP, maybe TheStC-- but most likely a Terran. That being said, I could see EG bringing up IdrA-- he has the best vT on the team when he's on form.
I cant see how you cant see that Supernova is the ace....
On January 31 2012 07:51 KvltMan wrote: Will be very interesting to see... I think it will follow in this order:
For EG:
PuMa JYP IdrA HuK Ace: PuMa
oGs
fOrGG SuperNova TOP Vines Ace: SuperNova
I can't see SuperNoVa being oGs ' ace-- maybe fOrGG, maybe TOP, maybe TheStC-- but most likely a Terran. That being said, I could see EG bringing up IdrA-- he has the best vT on the team when he's on form.
I cant see how you cant see that Supernova is the ace....
He is their most consistent player and was sent out as the ace against Zenex. Furthermore, he is the furtherest advancing oGs member in Code S right now.
Xoronius, do not post that kind of stuff if it could spoil the result damnit!
It's one thing to complain about spoilers after the event has been broadcasted to the public, but why on Earth would you potentially leak results like that?
So... Code A just happened. I stick with my 5-0 Supernova.
I don't know, that would imply that oGs sends Supernova out first. Seems unlikely to me.
On February 01 2012 02:59 Bagration wrote: Xoronius, do not post that kind of stuff if it could spoil the result damnit!
It's one thing to complain about spoilers after the event has been broadcasted to the public, but why on Earth would you potentially leak results like that?
So... Code A just happened. I stick with my 5-0 Supernova.
I don't know, that would imply that oGs sends Supernova out first. Seems unlikely to me.
Sorry, my brain was off, while I posted it. But if I write it in a spoiler tag and give a warning (what I did, before I deleted the whole post), is it that bad to post it? I thought other Euros, who want to know the result as soon as possible and aren´t able to stay up until it begins, are potentially interested i it.
On February 01 2012 02:59 Bagration wrote: Xoronius, do not post that kind of stuff if it could spoil the result damnit!
It's one thing to complain about spoilers after the event has been broadcasted to the public, but why on Earth would you potentially leak results like that?
So... Code A just happened. I stick with my 5-0 Supernova.
I don't know, that would imply that oGs sends Supernova out first. Seems unlikely to me.
Sorry, my brain was off, while I posted it. But if I write it in a spoiler tag and give a warning (what I did, before I deleted the whole post), is it that bad to post it? I thought other Euros, who want to know the result as soon as possible and aren´t able to stay up until it begins, are potentially interested i it.
Hey we all mess up. At least you took it down quickly so the damage was limited. But in the future please don't leak results.
On February 01 2012 02:59 Bagration wrote: Xoronius, do not post that kind of stuff if it could spoil the result damnit!
It's one thing to complain about spoilers after the event has been broadcasted to the public, but why on Earth would you potentially leak results like that?
So... Code A just happened. I stick with my 5-0 Supernova.
I don't know, that would imply that oGs sends Supernova out first. Seems unlikely to me.
Sorry, my brain was off, while I posted it. But if I write it in a spoiler tag and give a warning (what I did, before I deleted the whole post), is it that bad to post it? I thought other Euros, who want to know the result as soon as possible and aren´t able to stay up until it begins, are potentially interested i it.
Hey we all mess up. At least you took it down quickly so the damage was limited. But in the future please don't leak results.
Like I said, I thought it would be ok, if I use the spolier tag. Now, that I know, that it is not legal, I will not do it anymore. Sorry again.
On February 01 2012 02:59 Bagration wrote: Xoronius, do not post that kind of stuff if it could spoil the result damnit!
It's one thing to complain about spoilers after the event has been broadcasted to the public, but why on Earth would you potentially leak results like that?
So... Code A just happened. I stick with my 5-0 Supernova.
I don't know, that would imply that oGs sends Supernova out first. Seems unlikely to me.
Sorry, my brain was off, while I posted it. But if I write it in a spoiler tag and give a warning (what I did, before I deleted the whole post), is it that bad to post it? I thought other Euros, who want to know the result as soon as possible and aren´t able to stay up until it begins, are potentially interested i it.
Hey we all mess up. At least you took it down quickly so the damage was limited. But in the future please don't leak results.
Like I said, I thought it would be ok, if I use the spolier tag. Now, that I know, that it is not legal, I will not do it anymore. Sorry again.
Lol, it's not illegal. Don't worry too much about it
On February 01 2012 02:59 Bagration wrote: Xoronius, do not post that kind of stuff if it could spoil the result damnit!
It's one thing to complain about spoilers after the event has been broadcasted to the public, but why on Earth would you potentially leak results like that?
So... Code A just happened. I stick with my 5-0 Supernova.
I don't know, that would imply that oGs sends Supernova out first. Seems unlikely to me.
Sorry, my brain was off, while I posted it. But if I write it in a spoiler tag and give a warning (what I did, before I deleted the whole post), is it that bad to post it? I thought other Euros, who want to know the result as soon as possible and aren´t able to stay up until it begins, are potentially interested i it.
Hey we all mess up. At least you took it down quickly so the damage was limited. But in the future please don't leak results.
Like I said, I thought it would be ok, if I use the spolier tag. Now, that I know, that it is not legal, I will not do it anymore. Sorry again.
Lol, it's not illegal. Don't worry too much about it
I meant "illegal" in the way of bannable (as Joshy pointed out). I did obviously not think ,that the police would knock at my door , my english is just a bit out of practise, I did not find a better word.
IdrA, Huk, JYP, an Puma all have to play at their best and EG will have a good chance of winning so im gonna assume they'll all play their best an EG has this :D
On February 01 2012 06:56 skyflyfish wrote: how i miss oGsmc lol
T_T
All MC fans feel the same way now. At least he's getting a hefty salary (presumably), and seems to still have a good relationship with oGs from his tweets.
Still, oGs ezpz. The only EG players with decent vT are Puma and Idra, and neither of them are exactly heavy hitters compared to the likes of ForGG or Supernova.
On February 01 2012 05:28 Kergy wrote: OMG ForGG vs Idra please!
rofl forgg is like 16-0 against idra
They've never played against each other. Don't know where you came up with the number 16...
Ladder probably
I think so... but the number is still made up lol
It could be true, I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually. For all we know this guy could be digging up 16 vods proving what he says. Stranger things have happened
The number is not completely exaggerated. I have seen IdrA beat ForGG atleast once and it was because ForGG did a really crappy rush build and IdrA crushed it. But 90% of the time IdrA loses.
On February 01 2012 05:28 Kergy wrote: OMG ForGG vs Idra please!
rofl forgg is like 16-0 against idra
They've never played against each other. Don't know where you came up with the number 16...
Ladder probably
I think so... but the number is still made up lol
It could be true, I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually. For all we know this guy could be digging up 16 vods proving what he says. Stranger things have happened
I know for a fact that forgg went 9-0 against idra on ladder back before his code S matches. There was a period when I couldn't continue to watch as regularly; however, my sources told me that when they would play, forgg would always win. Perhaps 16 is too large; maybe it's more around 14.
oGs should win, even without MC the performances of HuK and IdrA today, PuMa's faliure to get into the GSL and Demuslim losing to BlinG means EG only have JYP to represent them as a GSL qualified level player...
I see EG winning maybe 3 games max. Puma can snipe a Protoss and JYP can snipe a Protoss/Zerg. Gonna have to rely on Idra/HuK for any Terrans, though Puma probably has a decent TvT build or 2 (but nothing that could stand up to Supernova or Nada).
On February 01 2012 09:44 mvtaylor wrote: oGs should win, even without MC the performances of HuK and IdrA today, PuMa's faliure to get into the GSL and Demuslim losing to BlinG means EG only have JYP to represent them as a GSL qualified level player...
JYP actually failed to win a single game in the RO32, while Idra at least to win 1 game. JYP is a good sniper, but as an all-around player I would say he is even worse than Puma and Huk.
On February 01 2012 05:28 Kergy wrote: OMG ForGG vs Idra please!
rofl forgg is like 16-0 against idra
They've never played against each other. Don't know where you came up with the number 16...
Ladder probably
I think so... but the number is still made up lol
It could be true, I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually. For all we know this guy could be digging up 16 vods proving what he says. Stranger things have happened
I know for a fact that forgg went 9-0 against idra on ladder back before his code S matches. There was a period when I couldn't continue to watch as regularly; however, my sources told me that when they would play, forgg would always win. Perhaps 16 is too large; maybe it's more around 14.
I'm a bigger fOrGG fan than Idra fan (I made fOrGG's fanclub ffs), but reportedly Puma was wiping the floor with Idra right up until the point when Idra 3-0'd Puma at IEM Guangzhou so the fact that fOrGG owns Idra on ladder means little should they face each other here.
Lol why would demuslim bring scvs with his first attack. That was like the dumbest thing i ever saw. its like hey, kill my eco in my main and with my attack lol.
On February 01 2012 10:20 ReachTheSky wrote: Lol why would demuslim bring scvs with his first attack. That was like the dumbest thing i ever saw. its like hey, kill my eco in my main and with my attack lol.
It wasn't that bad of an idea. Illusion engaged at the absolute best time there (right before any bunkers could begin construction-even if the bunkers didn't finished having buildings there to block his scvs from attacking would of helped), and even with that they ended up with an equal amount of SCVs.
On February 01 2012 10:20 ReachTheSky wrote: Lol why would demuslim bring scvs with his first attack. That was like the dumbest thing i ever saw. its like hey, kill my eco in my main and with my attack lol.
Honestly, I'd be very surprised if EG won more than one game. 0% chance any of their foreigners win a game. If they want to have a chance, JYP and Puma are going to have to win them this series.
On February 01 2012 10:24 turamn wrote: Honestly, I'd be very surprised if EG won more than one game. 0% chance any of their foreigners win a game. If they want to have a chance, JYP and Puma are going to have to win them this series.
You think there is 0% chance that Idra or Huk can take a game...?
On February 01 2012 10:24 turamn wrote: Honestly, I'd be very surprised if EG won more than one game. 0% chance any of their foreigners win a game. If they want to have a chance, JYP and Puma are going to have to win them this series.
You think there is 0% chance that Idra or Huk can take a game...?
Huk, maybe. Idra? Nope. Not a chance. He's so far beyond over-rated, it's unreal. He beats himself before the game even starts.
EDIT: I'd glady eat my words, though, I just don't see it happening.
On February 01 2012 10:37 SC2NeCro wrote: Anyone a little surprised that IdrA didn't GG when he was behind earlier? I was expecting it but now a little pride in him that he didn't.
I am very surprised. However i'm not the least bit suprised that he gged from just that drop lolol
that was an impossible situation. i think he could have kept trying to win but at the point of the game that he was in, its an uphill battle that he would have lost in another 15minutes assuming the terran just sits there
Wtf I arrived 5 min ago and, I don't understand what happend, Idra why GG without even sacrifing your army ? :'( It's not like you have an other game after and you need stamina, you'd better use the other player team stamina
lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
On February 01 2012 10:39 jazzyjazz wrote: what? hahahaha...the supplies were pretty even...yeah terran had more bases and ghosts but still...
Drop in the main was going to clear out all the tech before IdrA defended it. The angle IdrA was attacking at he would've done no damage. Illusion's army was perfect counter to Ultras. There was no way IdrA was winning that game at this point unless Illusion unsieged and a moved without sieging into the middle of the map, into a massive surround.
The game was over. I'm not saying he shouldn't have just tried to engage but it wasn't going to matter he lost you aren't coming back on even bases on that map with terran controling the middle like that and ghosts on the field to snipe everything.
Why did he even bother wasting his time, he said he GGs early to not waste time but wtf did he spend 5 minutes wandering around not getting back in the gmae....
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
every other player would have tried to attack, pull something up, maybe Illusion miscontrols hard, miracles happen
Stop defending this. I saw ALive and Ryung last night scrap it out with people while they were severely behind and ended up winning their games or series. This is severely disappointing. He was behind but so what?
so not losing any time and gg to get into the next game, wait oops there is only one. Was actually happy to finally hit an idra game and then i see some ultra building and gg. Guess idra wants to hide is lategame strategies for worthy opponents ... kidding. Don't remember him being that bad in bw with his ggs.
But yeah the situation was bad for him at the moment of the gg.
Haha Idra again, totally unprofessional and totally doesnt care about his fans. Is there even one progamer in korea that would not fight? fighting is the sign of champions in all of the sports and idra is clearly not one and will never be with this attitude.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
+1. Why give Illusion more confident going into the next match. At least try your hardest.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
Even THIS argument is silly, 200 200 antiga you don't win, and you don't get "tired" playing starcraft.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
Even THIS argument is silly, 200 200 antiga you don't win, and you don't get "tired" playing starcraft.
It's a good thing all those pro teams have you to set them straight, chief.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
Even THIS argument is silly, 200 200 antiga you don't win, and you don't get "tired" playing starcraft.
Lol, now that is bullshit. Of course you get tired. Watching LOTR extended series back-to-back makes you tired, and you're not even playing.
Edit: Yes, that is an extreme example, and no, Illusion has not played for that long, but doing anything without much pause makes you not as sharp. Especially in a tournament setting, where you are 100% alert not so relaxed while laddering.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that? Also yeah you need banelings imo but if the game was an hour long pretty sure dimaga wasn't down bases different situation then what idra was in
On February 01 2012 10:39 jdsarge wrote: O_O Alex Garfield needs to give him another talk.
No, Alex Garflied needs to cut his sorry ass, or force him to take a pay cut. He's not worth what he's making.
I'd be wholeheartedly surprised if you knew what Greg made.
He was extremely far behind after the banshee play. He slugged it out and clawed his way back into the game food wise as the game went on, but in the late game he was getting picked apart by drops. There was no chance of IdrA coming out ahead in a direct engagement in that game, and he didn't have a big "play making" army. What magic are you going to make happen with ling, infestor, ultralisk when Terran is chopping up a map with planetary fortresses?
On February 01 2012 10:39 jdsarge wrote: O_O Alex Garfield needs to give him another talk.
No, Alex Garflied needs to cut his sorry ass, or force him to take a pay cut. He's not worth what he's making.
Players don't get paid to win, they get paid to have fans.
USA has the most fans, IdrA is the "USA player". He's worth the pay.
LOL, WHAT!? You don't get paid to do your job? I don't understand this at all. A professional sports player doesn't get paid to have fans, he gets played to perform. Sure, if you generate publicity for your team, it's a bonus, but I assure you, 90% of signings aren't because they want publicity.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
Even THIS argument is silly, 200 200 antiga you don't win, and you don't get "tired" playing starcraft.
You don't get physically tired, but mentally tired is real shit. Being under a high pressure situation game after game does fuck people up. It's a legitimate strategy and people did it and continue to do it in BW because it's better than giving the opponent an early victory. You try to get EVERY SINGLE ADVANTAGE you can at the highest level of play. That includes making your opponent play 5-10-15 extra minutes, especially in a Winner's League format.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
Eh, the Idra defenders, if they actually believe what they're saying...Well, they must be terrible people in real life. I mean, those excuses are so lame...
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
Eh, the Idra defenders, if they actually believe what they're saying...Wel,, they must be terrible people in real life. I mean, those excuses are so lame...
And you know this so, well, thanks for the input, buddy.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. I know what I am talking about unlike you. Btw terran being on 4'th for 8 more minutes then when Idra's 4'th just finished yeah sigh why do i respond to you did you watch the game? Did you not see how far behind idra was with 3 medivac full of units in his main with his whole army out of position?
Illusion's strategy was viable if he was able to set up his siege tanks safely. With banshees and aircontrol, he could slow besiege Puma from both land and air. Puma did really well to catch Illusion off guard there with his tanks misplaced, otherwise it could have been a quick death for Puma.
On February 01 2012 10:39 jdsarge wrote: O_O Alex Garfield needs to give him another talk.
No, Alex Garflied needs to cut his sorry ass, or force him to take a pay cut. He's not worth what he's making.
Players don't get paid to win, they get paid to have fans.
USA has the most fans, IdrA is the "USA player". He's worth the pay.
LOL, WHAT!? You don't get paid to do your job? I don't understand this at all. A professional sports player doesn't get paid to have fans, he gets played to perform. Sure, if you generate publicity for your team, it's a bonus, but I assure you, 90% of signings aren't because they want publicity.
Of course, but it goes like this
Sponsors pay teams to get product awareness, and generally good players who win have the bigger fanbases, yes.
IdrA and Huk are probably worth the most money tho.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
If Puma loses, EG loses. oGs has the highest average vP of any team (61%) not like that would matter for JYP - and Huk? Hasn't been practicing enough to defeat someone like Supernova.
On February 01 2012 10:39 jdsarge wrote: O_O Alex Garfield needs to give him another talk.
No, Alex Garflied needs to cut his sorry ass, or force him to take a pay cut. He's not worth what he's making.
I'd be wholeheartedly surprised if you knew what Greg made.
He was extremely far behind after the banshee play. He slugged it out and clawed his way back into the game food wise as the game went on, but in the late game he was getting picked apart by drops. There was no chance of IdrA coming out ahead in a direct engagement in that game, and he didn't have a big "play making" army. What magic are you going to make happen with ling, infestor, ultralisk when Terran is chopping up a map with planetary fortresses?
Welp, good thing the internet exists and people run their mouths. I'd be surprised if half of the internet didn't know. If you want to find out, it's not hard.I don't know if the information that I have is accurate, and obviously you won't confirm it And that statement wasn't based on that game by it's self, it was based on his performance overall. What have you done for me, lately, Greg?
Surely, you know more than I, but from the information I am given and have access to, he's not someone I would want on my team. The psychological problems that appear to be presented based on his public image make it very difficult for me to believe that he is easy to manage / going to have any real success in Starcraft 2. Saying you are the best foreigner ( which I don't even believe has been accurate for quite some time ) is like saying you're the best at coloring in the remedial class in grade school. There's no value in it.
Do I want him to succeed? Hell yeah, I do. I want nothing more than him to gain confidence and go stomp people, but even when he does seem to be coming out of it, he falls right back in. He lost his Code A match in his mind before he even got in the booth. How can you expect to win when you don't even think that you can win?
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
What lol its annoying when people lik you don't know what you are talking about. YOu obviously don't know how good ghosts are (not saying imbalanced but when so far behind and terran is on 4 bases LONGER then a zerg with ghosts is bad btw). Also idra's 4'th just finished point sitll stands same amount of bases. Ah I give up lol you can keep arguing and saying whatever makes you feel good.
On February 01 2012 10:53 McFeser wrote: If Puma loses, EG loses. oGs has the highest average vP of any team (61%) not like that would matter for JYP - and Huk? Hasn't been practicing enough to defeat someone like Supernova.
Obviously they send out Machine. According to legend, Machine's APM increases threefold each year on his birthday...or so they say.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
What lol its annoying when people lik you don't know what you are talking about. YOu obviously don't know how good ghosts are (not saying imbalanced but when so far behind and terran is on 4 bases LONGER then a zerg with ghosts is bad btw). Also idra's 4'th just finished point sitll stands same amount of bases. Ah I give up lol you can keep arguing and saying whatever makes you feel good.
Just going to ignore your trollish attempts
So basically, you said absolutely nothing again even when I called you out for having nothing.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that? Also yeah you need banelings imo but if the game was an hour long pretty sure dimaga wasn't down bases different situation then what idra was in
Well you're right but as I didn't really saw what happend before the GG I didn't know that Idra was that far behind in economy. I was mostly replying for the ultras vs ghost/tank, as I think it's the best answer vs this composion (with zerling/baneling and clever tactics).
For the game I was talking about it was on terminus RE, and dimaga mined out the whole map while happy had only 5 bases
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
What lol its annoying when people lik you don't know what you are talking about. YOu obviously don't know how good ghosts are (not saying imbalanced but when so far behind and terran is on 4 bases LONGER then a zerg with ghosts is bad btw). Also idra's 4'th just finished point sitll stands same amount of bases. Ah I give up lol you can keep arguing and saying whatever makes you feel good.
Just going to ignore your trollish attempts
So basically, you said absolutely nothing again even when I called you out for having nothing.
Good job. Inb4 you reply again.
Apparently your annoying, because you keep spouting the same bs, like "IdrA was so far ahead in ups (3-3 to 3-2)" "Tire the player" You don't get tired from one game "He had a fourth, remax on broods" He hadn't saturated it and ghosts rape broods as well as ultras. THEN when anyone calls you out you call them noobs, childish, or saying bs. you are apparently a 14 year old neckbeard. true?
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
IdrA had ONLY just got his fourth up, illusion was already getting extra OC's to start killing workers for supply and was getting ghosts.
Along with his main force in the centre able to do nothing about the tanks and planetary fortress he was about to be reset to hatch tech by the triple drop just arriving in his main. EVEN if he had miraculously defended it and SOMEHOW got a greater spire out there would have been enough ghosts to EMP every queen and infestor with enough energy left to then snipe every brood lord out of the sky.
Could IdrA have kept playing? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing for the team to tire illusion out a bit mentally? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing to allow the viewers a massive engagement and to get to see things blow up? Yes
TvT really saves SC2 right now, and shows what it could be if they get the expansions right for the other matchups and open things up some. That was fun to watch and really WP by Puma, illusion just needed to do a better job securing that 3rd but good run by him too showed some good games.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
yeaaaaah but in a team league its good to use more solid players then snipers, unless your super far ahead. If puma gets like 3kills it'll be better to send out Supernova or Nada, someone versatile in all matchups and can carry them
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
IdrA had ONLY just got his fourth up, illusion was already getting extra OC's to start killing workers for supply and was getting ghosts.
Along with his main force in the centre able to do nothing about the tanks and planetary fortress he was about to be reset to hatch tech by the triple drop just arriving in his main. EVEN if he had miraculously defended it and SOMEHOW got a greater spire out there would have been enough ghosts to EMP every queen and infestor with enough energy left to then snipe every brood lord out of the sky.
Could IdrA have kept playing? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing for the team to tire illusion out a bit mentally? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing to allow the viewers a massive engagement and to get to see things blow up? Yes
Could IdrA have won that game? 99.9% No
IdrA WAS behind. The point of my post was to show that he had a chance, however small (99.9% that's ridiculous, stop throwing out statistics please), not to show how he could win the game confidently. I don't like that he gave up and GG'd, that's what I'm defending.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:40 blade55555 wrote: lol I love people who go "omg rage LOL such bad gg timing" game was over. Drop in his main was going to rape his shit (he had 3 lings to defend and his whole army was on the other side of the map). He can't engage because PF + ghosts + 20 tanks + marines. Game was over lol don't know why idra went that ling/infestor style illusion kinda just countered it perfectly, abusing it with drops, etc.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
IdrA had ONLY just got his fourth up, illusion was already getting extra OC's to start killing workers for supply and was getting ghosts.
Along with his main force in the centre able to do nothing about the tanks and planetary fortress he was about to be reset to hatch tech by the triple drop just arriving in his main. EVEN if he had miraculously defended it and SOMEHOW got a greater spire out there would have been enough ghosts to EMP every queen and infestor with enough energy left to then snipe every brood lord out of the sky.
Could IdrA have kept playing? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing for the team to tire illusion out a bit mentally? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing to allow the viewers a massive engagement and to get to see things blow up? Yes
Could IdrA have won that game? 99.9% No
IdrA WAS behind. The point of my post was to show that he had a chance, however small (99.9% that's ridiculous, stop throwing out statistics please), not to show how he could win the game confidently. I don't like that he gave up and GG'd, that's what I'm defending.
What realistic chance?!
When you have only just built your fourth and haven't even begun mining from it yet, are about to lose all your tech in the main while your army in the centre on the map can't attack his army while he is also about to start saccing workers and is already producing ghosts what can you do as zerg?
Even if somehow magically the drop from illusion got cleared up without major loss he could have instantly remaxed, took the centre tower and cut IdrA off from his fourth, killed it and starved him.
i never lost a game tvt where i go the reaper exp into shield mass rine vs banshee exp. I never won a game other way round and i did both builds alot.
I know people dont want to see this and i dont say puma is not the better player but this game was lost/won before the loading screen. Its just a cointhrow and caster and fans try to look away and talk about a awesome game...
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote: [quote]
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
IdrA had ONLY just got his fourth up, illusion was already getting extra OC's to start killing workers for supply and was getting ghosts.
Along with his main force in the centre able to do nothing about the tanks and planetary fortress he was about to be reset to hatch tech by the triple drop just arriving in his main. EVEN if he had miraculously defended it and SOMEHOW got a greater spire out there would have been enough ghosts to EMP every queen and infestor with enough energy left to then snipe every brood lord out of the sky.
Could IdrA have kept playing? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing for the team to tire illusion out a bit mentally? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing to allow the viewers a massive engagement and to get to see things blow up? Yes
Could IdrA have won that game? 99.9% No
IdrA WAS behind. The point of my post was to show that he had a chance, however small (99.9% that's ridiculous, stop throwing out statistics please), not to show how he could win the game confidently. I don't like that he gave up and GG'd, that's what I'm defending.
What realistic chance?!
When you have only just built your fourth and haven't even begun mining from it yet, are about to lose all your tech in the main while your army in the centre on the map can't attack his army while he is also about to start saccing workers and is already producing ghosts what can you do as zerg?
Even if somehow magically the drop from illusion got cleared up without major loss he could have instantly remaxed, took the centre tower and cut IdrA off from his fourth, killed it and starved him.
If the drop was large enough to ruin all his production before he could get there then he would have had a solid chance to defeat the main army due to loss of the units. If it wasn't he would get back in times (Ultras/Lings are fast?) to save most of the structures. He had a small chance. Don't deny it.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote: [quote]
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
IdrA had ONLY just got his fourth up, illusion was already getting extra OC's to start killing workers for supply and was getting ghosts.
Along with his main force in the centre able to do nothing about the tanks and planetary fortress he was about to be reset to hatch tech by the triple drop just arriving in his main. EVEN if he had miraculously defended it and SOMEHOW got a greater spire out there would have been enough ghosts to EMP every queen and infestor with enough energy left to then snipe every brood lord out of the sky.
Could IdrA have kept playing? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing for the team to tire illusion out a bit mentally? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing to allow the viewers a massive engagement and to get to see things blow up? Yes
Could IdrA have won that game? 99.9% No
IdrA WAS behind. The point of my post was to show that he had a chance, however small (99.9% that's ridiculous, stop throwing out statistics please), not to show how he could win the game confidently. I don't like that he gave up and GG'd, that's what I'm defending.
What realistic chance?!
When you have only just built your fourth and haven't even begun mining from it yet, are about to lose all your tech in the main while your army in the centre on the map can't attack his army while he is also about to start saccing workers and is already producing ghosts what can you do as zerg?
While I agree that his chance was close to zero, did anyone else watch MVP vs Leenock in GSL November, game 1 and 2? Its an amazing display of skill to see people stick around and survive as long as they possibly can, and sometimes make a comeback
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
Oh, I forgot about those matches - so yeah JYP is pretty good. Inori though is really overrated - he's 2 - 8 against Korean Protosses.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote: [quote]
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote: [quote]
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
IdrA had ONLY just got his fourth up, illusion was already getting extra OC's to start killing workers for supply and was getting ghosts.
Along with his main force in the centre able to do nothing about the tanks and planetary fortress he was about to be reset to hatch tech by the triple drop just arriving in his main. EVEN if he had miraculously defended it and SOMEHOW got a greater spire out there would have been enough ghosts to EMP every queen and infestor with enough energy left to then snipe every brood lord out of the sky.
Could IdrA have kept playing? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing for the team to tire illusion out a bit mentally? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing to allow the viewers a massive engagement and to get to see things blow up? Yes
Could IdrA have won that game? 99.9% No
IdrA WAS behind. The point of my post was to show that he had a chance, however small (99.9% that's ridiculous, stop throwing out statistics please), not to show how he could win the game confidently. I don't like that he gave up and GG'd, that's what I'm defending.
What realistic chance?!
When you have only just built your fourth and haven't even begun mining from it yet, are about to lose all your tech in the main while your army in the centre on the map can't attack his army while he is also about to start saccing workers and is already producing ghosts what can you do as zerg?
Even if somehow magically the drop from illusion got cleared up without major loss he could have instantly remaxed, took the centre tower and cut IdrA off from his fourth, killed it and starved him.
If the drop was large enough to ruin all his production before he could get there then he would have had a solid chance to defeat the main army due to loss of the units. If it wasn't he would get back in times (Ultras/Lings are fast?) to save most of the structures. He had a small chance. Don't deny it.
IdrA attempted to attack the centre, hence why he sent in the Infestors and Ultras but with tanks and a PF with SCVs ready to repair he would never have got through. He could have killed the PF but the losses would have been huge.
I'm not denying that IdrA had a 0% chance, it's just his chance of winning was mainly based on illusion dropping dead or one of their connections dying and then him winning a regame.
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote: [quote]
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote: [quote]
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
IdrA had ONLY just got his fourth up, illusion was already getting extra OC's to start killing workers for supply and was getting ghosts.
Along with his main force in the centre able to do nothing about the tanks and planetary fortress he was about to be reset to hatch tech by the triple drop just arriving in his main. EVEN if he had miraculously defended it and SOMEHOW got a greater spire out there would have been enough ghosts to EMP every queen and infestor with enough energy left to then snipe every brood lord out of the sky.
Could IdrA have kept playing? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing for the team to tire illusion out a bit mentally? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing to allow the viewers a massive engagement and to get to see things blow up? Yes
Could IdrA have won that game? 99.9% No
IdrA WAS behind. The point of my post was to show that he had a chance, however small (99.9% that's ridiculous, stop throwing out statistics please), not to show how he could win the game confidently. I don't like that he gave up and GG'd, that's what I'm defending.
What realistic chance?!
When you have only just built your fourth and haven't even begun mining from it yet, are about to lose all your tech in the main while your army in the centre on the map can't attack his army while he is also about to start saccing workers and is already producing ghosts what can you do as zerg?
While I agree that his chance was close to zero, did anyone else watch MVP vs Leenock in GSL November, game 1 and 2? Its an amazing display of skill to see people stick around and survive as long as they possibly can, and sometimes make a comeback
Oh indeed that was fantastic, the three marine push at the 32 minute mark and all. I'm not saying what IdrA did was right, he definitely should have stayed in the game, i'm just saying it was a lost game.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
Um . .. . it's his best matchup. MC's win percantage is 75%. Oz is 77%, Inca is 71, and JYP is 70%. MC, and Inca overall have faced harder opponents and have been around longer, so their win rates are more concrete.
Anyways, here's hoping to Puma winning a few more games. He's the only chance that EG has.
On February 01 2012 11:05 skeldark wrote: i never lost a game tvt where i go the reaper exp into shield mass rine vs banshee exp. I never won a game other way round and i did both builds alot.
I know people dont want to see this and i dont say puma is not the better player but this game was lost/won before the loading screen. Its just a cointhrow and caster and fans try to look away and talk about a awesome game...
I hate when people blindly say that if a player is ahead, they should always try to get more ahead. Sometimes you just need to go and kill your opponent.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
On February 01 2012 11:05 skeldark wrote: i never lost a game tvt where i go the reaper exp into shield mass rine vs banshee exp. I never won a game other way round and i did both builds alot.
I know people dont want to see this and i dont say puma is not the better player but this game was lost/won before the loading screen. Its just a cointhrow and caster and fans try to look away and talk about a awesome game...
On February 01 2012 11:16 Dexington wrote: In news related to this game, not who is better at PvP or more Idra talk, Puma is getting stomped.
That's why PuMa is 10 supply up yeah
When I wrote that, STC hadn't done his terrible attack and Puma was behind 30
I know, it's just far easier to be categorically wrong when you say who is getting stomped in a currently running game compared to when you talk about what IdrA should do in a game or the top 5 players in PvP, hence the
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
On February 01 2012 11:18 Bagration wrote: I hate when people blindly say that if a player is ahead, they should always try to get more ahead. Sometimes you just need to go and kill your opponent.
agree 100%. its so hard to explain lower level players that sometimes its to risky and bad to get "more ahead" because they hear it all the time form casters. if you can kill your enemy and dont do it its always a mistake.
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly and idra just getting his 4'th when his terran opponent had been on a 4'th like forever.
Let alone him making 3 more CC's. If idra came back it would be because zerg is OP (which their not) or he is hacking (which he's not)
If he's going to turtle IdrA would have had time to bank resources and tech switch to Blords right away after getting rid of Ultras.
Saying he had no chance is pure ignorance.
I guess you don't realize how good ghosts are vs broodlords and ultra's. The fact you don't know what you are talking about shows when you think broodlords (with his limited 3 base gas after having a ton of ultra's out so he would have had 5 broodlords maybe) that you don't know zvt late game very well especially vs a terran of illusions caliber.
On February 01 2012 10:48 kubiks wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:45 blade55555 wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:44 kubiks wrote: [quote]
It's not a matter of if the game was over or not, but it's a teamleague, not a single player series. Stay just to make illusion tired is worth the shot, and with good control he could have won maybe
He could have tried tiring him out sure wouldn't have worked due to how much koreans play anyway but no he could not have won maybe. He had 0 chance unless illusion went AFK. That turtle style he was doing with mass tanks + ghosts and idra having ultra's trust me it gets raped really really really really really badly.
Actually I think I saw a dimaga vs empireHappy with Happy going for tank/ghost, and dimaga still going ultra and win (after a 1h++ game :D). But obviously you want to have zerling/baneling (maybe more than ultras) with it, and engage properly the ennemy army. Not sure Irda is capable of that :D.
I imagine if Dimaga won that he also wasn't down bases for the whole game am I correct in that?
IdrA had already secured a 4th by the time he GG'd. Broodlords are THE end game unit vs Terran. That's why you have Queen+Infestor support which he already had, it would have been a proper switch.
You are ignorant and clueless. You need to stop talking now.
I am NOT defending IdrA.
lol... Sigh again you showed me you have no idea how tvz works in the late game when the terran is actually good. ^^
Troll more? If you want to show me how it's done then go ahead. Problem is you aren't backing up anything and have been wrong so far in what you say (he had a 4th).
People who keep arguing because their ego is hurt are annoying.
IdrA had ONLY just got his fourth up, illusion was already getting extra OC's to start killing workers for supply and was getting ghosts.
Along with his main force in the centre able to do nothing about the tanks and planetary fortress he was about to be reset to hatch tech by the triple drop just arriving in his main. EVEN if he had miraculously defended it and SOMEHOW got a greater spire out there would have been enough ghosts to EMP every queen and infestor with enough energy left to then snipe every brood lord out of the sky.
Could IdrA have kept playing? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing for the team to tire illusion out a bit mentally? Yes Should IdrA have kept playing to allow the viewers a massive engagement and to get to see things blow up? Yes
Could IdrA have won that game? 99.9% No
IdrA WAS behind. The point of my post was to show that he had a chance, however small (99.9% that's ridiculous, stop throwing out statistics please), not to show how he could win the game confidently. I don't like that he gave up and GG'd, that's what I'm defending.
What realistic chance?!
When you have only just built your fourth and haven't even begun mining from it yet, are about to lose all your tech in the main while your army in the centre on the map can't attack his army while he is also about to start saccing workers and is already producing ghosts what can you do as zerg?
Even if somehow magically the drop from illusion got cleared up without major loss he could have instantly remaxed, took the centre tower and cut IdrA off from his fourth, killed it and starved him.
There is always a chance because this is not a game that you play by yourself. There isn't such a thing as 100% guarantee.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Honestly, you are right if you think about it for the past year, inoris stats are bad. The past three months though, I see him wreck protoss. Doesn't really matter who they are. I think his pvp is really top notch lately.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
On February 01 2012 10:50 Olinimm wrote: [quote] why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
On February 01 2012 11:21 Dexington wrote: Machine lol so Huk isn't playing.
Maybe something is going on with HuK. not playing in this, staying at the oGs house, little to no interaction with EG players... hmmm.... drama inc?
Staying at the the oGs house?! That is interesting... Source?
Don't look too much into it. HuK's been on holiday and still close to oGs/TL guys so he's just been hanging there having fun (read:raping HayprO and SuperNova). i.e. what people on holiday do: hang with friends.
EDIT: broken computer problem too, and last week was lunar new year which is holiday.
On February 01 2012 11:21 Dexington wrote: Machine lol so Huk isn't playing.
Maybe something is going on with HuK. not playing in this, staying at the oGs house, little to no interaction with EG players... hmmm.... drama inc?
Staying at the the oGs house?! That is interesting... Source?
He was on haypro's stream a few days back playing on haypro's computer in what I would assume to be the oGs house. I believe it was due to the one he uses in slayers house being broken. Since then I have no idea if he is in slayers / ogs house.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
On February 01 2012 11:21 Dexington wrote: Machine lol so Huk isn't playing.
Maybe something is going on with HuK. not playing in this, staying at the oGs house, little to no interaction with EG players... hmmm.... drama inc?
Staying at the the oGs house?! That is interesting... Source?
Don't look too much into it. HuK's been on holiday and still close to oGs/TL guys so he's just been hanging there having fun (read:raping HayprO and SuperNova). i.e. what people on holiday do: hang with friends.
EDIT: broken computer problem too, and last week was lunar new year which is holiday.
On February 01 2012 11:00 Jacobs Ladder wrote: [quote] While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
On February 01 2012 10:50 Olinimm wrote: [quote] why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
this game make me sad. I did not expect machine to win, but loose in first minutes against a total normal opener like this, if you did not show many results resiliently must be hard.
On February 01 2012 11:03 McFeser wrote: [quote] It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
Awe... I feel kinda bad for enjoying that so much lol. Man tho, STC must be so happy, he got to do every fun little gimick he's ever wanted to do lol. Getting the Hellions in while the crawler was reburrowing, the bunker re-loading... it was probably a ton of fun for him.
On February 01 2012 11:00 Jacobs Ladder wrote: [quote] While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
On February 01 2012 11:00 Jacobs Ladder wrote: [quote] While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
Watch the games? You do know that custom games (MLG, IPL, smaller tournaments) don't count on TLPD...
On February 01 2012 11:03 McFeser wrote: [quote] It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
did I see this right? Did he send his Drones from the Expo to his main and the ones from his main to his expo, with the hellions int he middle? XD I sometimes do that, haha.
LOL that was just the saddest thing i've ever seen. He literally lost to 2 marines and 6 hellions on the biggest map in the pool. i don't understand how this could happen.
On February 01 2012 11:00 Jacobs Ladder wrote: [quote] While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
It's top three. It's between either MC or Oz, but JYP is not slouch in vP either. It'd be interesting to see how it would stack up against Inca, especially when JYP hasnt faced a protoss of Inca's caliber.
JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
In addition, Puzzle is openly insecure about the PvP match up. He tried to avoid another protoss in the ro16 group selections and was visibly unhappy when another protoss was picked.
On February 01 2012 11:10 dragonborn wrote: [quote] JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
On February 01 2012 11:10 dragonborn wrote: [quote] JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
On February 01 2012 11:10 dragonborn wrote: [quote] JYP vs MC was very close match in HomeStoryCup.
its between Oz,InCa and Inori.
MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
TLPD lists all games from the beginning of time for a player.
It doesn't take in to account patches that change a match up, a change in teams or play style from the player that may have significantly changed their win rate.
TLPD lists Happy and mOOnGLaDe in the top five foreigners and Curious as the fourth best Korean.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
If by "the best" you mean he knows the most gimmicky builds that half of the people have never even seen before, then yes, he does. Look at his vP results. His most recent games were against Oz, who beat him 2-1 and basically dismantled him. Oz played far better than InCa.
There is this odd idea that InCa has "the best" PvP," but it's just something that was just a statement that Tastosis used to repeat back when next to nothing was known about the game/there was a completely different metagame. Before his game against Oz he hasn't played a televised PvP since September, where he beat GuineaPig in the ESV. Before that, he lost to MC in GSL, and to find any more InCa PvP results you'd have to go back to May.
Oz, MC, Puzzle, JYP, Creator, and PartinG all have better PvP.
On February 01 2012 11:34 ReachTheSky wrote: LOL that was just the saddest thing i've ever seen. He literally lost to 2 marines and 6 hellions on the biggest map in the pool. i don't understand how this could happen.
It all boiled down to that bunker. Once that bunker went up EVERYTHING went down hill for poor o machine.
On February 01 2012 11:11 Olinimm wrote: [quote] MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
i just read your posts in this thread.
i understand you,you are incapable of providing an actual argument.
On February 01 2012 11:11 Olinimm wrote: [quote] MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
Don't feed this troll man lol MC is easily top 3 pvp ... it's just that Huk has his number and Inori is freaking good too
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
i just read your posts in this thread.
i understand you,you are incapable of providing an actual argument.
On February 01 2012 11:11 Olinimm wrote: [quote] MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
If by "the best" you mean he knows the most gimmicky builds that half of the people have never even seen before, then yes, he does. Look at his vP results. His most recent games were against Oz, who beat him 2-1 and basically dismantled him. Oz played far better than InCa.
There is this odd idea that InCa has "the best" PvP," but it's just something that was just a statement that Tastosis used to repeat back when next to nothing was known about the game/there was a completely different metagame. Before his game against Oz he hasn't played a televised PvP since September, where he beat GuineaPig in the ESV. Before that, he lost to MC in GSL, and to find any more InCa PvP results you'd have to go back to May.
Oz, MC, Puzzle, JYP, Creator, and PartinG all have better PvP.
How do you know this if Inca hasn't played any televised PvP matches since September? You're just being biased as hell.
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
i just read your posts in this thread.
i understand you,you are incapable of providing an actual argument.
On February 01 2012 11:11 Olinimm wrote: [quote] MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
He may well be a fanboy, but you are just the same at the opposite end of the scale it seems. MC sucks at PvP? Really? There may be some better than him in the matchup, but to say he downright sucks in the matchup is absurd.
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
On February 01 2012 11:11 Olinimm wrote: [quote] MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
TLPD lists all games from the beginning of time for a player.
It doesn't take in to account patches that change a match up, a change in teams or play style from the player that may have significantly changed their win rate.
TLPD lists Happy and mOOnGLaDe in the top five foreigners and Curious as the fourth best Korean.
That isn't "the best," it's who has been performing the best at that time. Happy and mOOnGLaDe both recently have been playing well, but their overall records are somewhat telling of what their best match-ups are.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
If by "the best" you mean he knows the most gimmicky builds that half of the people have never even seen before, then yes, he does. Look at his vP results. His most recent games were against Oz, who beat him 2-1 and basically dismantled him. Oz played far better than InCa.
There is this odd idea that InCa has "the best" PvP," but it's just something that was just a statement that Tastosis used to repeat back when next to nothing was known about the game/there was a completely different metagame. Before his game against Oz he hasn't played a televised PvP since September, where he beat GuineaPig in the ESV. Before that, he lost to MC in GSL, and to find any more InCa PvP results you'd have to go back to May.
Oz, MC, Puzzle, JYP, Creator, and PartinG all have better PvP.
How do you know this if Inca hasn't played any televised PvP matches since May? You're just being biased as hell.
He played Oz in PvP in the GSL two weeks ago... (and lost)
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
He may well be a fanboy, but you are just the same at the opposite end of the scale it seems. MC sucks at PvP? Really? There may be some better than him in the matchup, but to say he downright sucks in the matchup is absurd.
Thats why he is out of 80% tournaments because of PvP?
Really disappointed with EG's play in this series. They certainly aren't the clear favorite in this match-up but being down 4-1 is not what I expected.
i dont agree with the casters. most code a protoss shouldve been able to hold that. jyp lost more than he needed to even though stc didnt excute that 2rax perfectly
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
If by "the best" you mean he knows the most gimmicky builds that half of the people have never even seen before, then yes, he does. Look at his vP results. His most recent games were against Oz, who beat him 2-1 and basically dismantled him. Oz played far better than InCa.
There is this odd idea that InCa has "the best" PvP," but it's just something that was just a statement that Tastosis used to repeat back when next to nothing was known about the game/there was a completely different metagame. Before his game against Oz he hasn't played a televised PvP since September, where he beat GuineaPig in the ESV. Before that, he lost to MC in GSL, and to find any more InCa PvP results you'd have to go back to May.
Oz, MC, Puzzle, JYP, Creator, and PartinG all have better PvP.
Since the games against GuineaPig he has beaten Squirtle, YoungHwa and Tails in the KSL Team League and Mentalist and Daisy to qualify for Code A additionally
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
If by "the best" you mean he knows the most gimmicky builds that half of the people have never even seen before, then yes, he does. Look at his vP results. His most recent games were against Oz, who beat him 2-1 and basically dismantled him. Oz played far better than InCa.
There is this odd idea that InCa has "the best" PvP," but it's just something that was just a statement that Tastosis used to repeat back when next to nothing was known about the game/there was a completely different metagame. Before his game against Oz he hasn't played a televised PvP since September, where he beat GuineaPig in the ESV. Before that, he lost to MC in GSL, and to find any more InCa PvP results you'd have to go back to May.
Oz, MC, Puzzle, JYP, Creator, and PartinG all have better PvP.
How do you know this if Inca hasn't played any televised PvP matches since May? You're just being biased as hell.
He played Oz in PvP in the GSL two weeks ago... (and lost)
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote: [quote] How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
He may well be a fanboy, but you are just the same at the opposite end of the scale it seems. MC sucks at PvP? Really? There may be some better than him in the matchup, but to say he downright sucks in the matchup is absurd.
Thats why he is out of 80% tournaments because of PvP?
MC's PvP prime finished when 4 gate get nerfed...
Yes, ok that's me proven wrong. You inserted an arbitrary statistic that doesn't appear to be based on anything, and disregard that MC's solid PvP pretty much won him Homestory Cup.
Back on topic, JYP wins there. Missed the initial push so can't comment on that but looks like he held that pretty well. :O The infamous forGG on his way.
On February 01 2012 11:41 GreyKnight wrote: JYP should not have even had trouble holding that...what happened?
2 rax aggression I imagine isn't easy to hold unless you are going 3 gate expand or something. From what I have seen in pvt its always 1 gate expo nexus first or 2 gate robo or something. Idk strong push and I think jyp was going to do a 1 gate fe then saw the aggression and plopped down 2 gateways which weren't done when the terrans army arrived.
As a JYP fan I am very happy to see such a solid game from him vT. He has always done fine mechanically vs Terran but falls over with some bad decision making but from start to finish he did exactly what he needed to do to hold and win that game.
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote: [quote] How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:11 Olinimm wrote: [quote] MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
On February 01 2012 11:45 werynais wrote: So EG is basically a Korean team now?
They have four players on their team that can even hold their own in these kinds of leagues. Then they have to send out players who have no chance like machine. Not exactly a deep roster.
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote: [quote] tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
man the production and format of IPL is so much better than NASL. I do like that there are multiple team leagues though so I cant really complain too much about either.
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote: [quote] How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote: [quote] tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
On February 01 2012 11:45 werynais wrote: So EG is basically a Korean team now?
They have four players on their team that can even hold their own in these kinds of leagues. Then they have to send out players who have no chance like machine. Not exactly a deep roster.
It's a deep roster when they don't have to play win against 5 Koreans, some Code-S level. Certainly out of every non-Korean team EG is the most skilled on paper.
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote: [quote] tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
I don't even think there is a best PvP player anymore, back in the days of 4gate MC had the mastery of that build with his control, and Inca's mindgames made him fearsome. Since then it seems, to me at least you guys may not agree that what has happened is that there's a load of guys with roughly similar levels who can take games off each other. Most PvPs I've seen recently have been tight 2-1 games with a lot of contrasting builds used. It's still a matchup that can reward one inspired, ballsy decision which is why I feel MC will always be one of the better PvPers in live environments.
There may yet emerge one, supreme PvP boss again, should be interesting to see when the matchup settles down a bit more.
On February 01 2012 11:45 werynais wrote: So EG is basically a Korean team now?
They have four players on their team that can even hold their own in these kinds of leagues. Then they have to send out players who have no chance like machine. Not exactly a deep roster.
They have Huk, IdrA, Demuslim (I truly think he belongs with those two) - then the koreans JYP and PuMa. I don't think EG is turning into a korean team and I'd say having 5 solid players make their roster fairly deep. You rarely have a need for more than 5.
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote: [quote] How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
Why are people arguing about PvP again?
Somebody brought it up, and people are on these odd bandwagons as far as who is the "best" player that have basically fallen off a long time ago.
InCa's PvP hasn't been "the best" since he beat Killer in the semis, his recent play against Oz (and more importantly Oz's play) as well as his games against MC have proven that he has lost the crown of the best PvPer too (don't worry, though InCa still has the crown for worst player in GSL, but that only lasts as long as he's actually in GSL).
When Inori first came out at IPL everybody was freaking out about him beating HuK and MC, but since then he has never really proven himself against the top Protoss players.
Then there are people claiming HerO and HuK, who are far from the best PvPers.
Some really awful micro by JYP but somehow he's still in it. He had no reason to lose that first sentry at the ramp and the n missing the second forcefield, ugh.
wow JYP is seriously incapable of playing vs terran....im not sure how the hell he left him up the ramp what's the point of even saccing the nexus then?
InCa's PvP hasn't been "the best" since he beat Killer in the semis, his recent play against Oz (and more importantly Oz's play) as well as his games against MC have proven that he has lost the crown of the best PvPer too (don't worry, though InCa still has the crown for worst player in GSL, but that only lasts as long as he's actually in GSL).
Sorry Final Boss, delusions can only take you so far. Virus and Zenio are currently battling to the death for that honor.
Pretty tired of people saying Inca is the worst player in GSL.
Ok the commentators are really incorrect calling this a miracle hold. Infact it was quite the opposite. JYP botched a forcefield allowing all those marines in. JYP also got so lucky that fin didn't kill the artosis pylon powering all the gates. If fin killed it he would have just had to kite back down the ramp then back up and he would have won. I can't stand when commentators call it completely wrong when JYP got SUPER LUCKY. JYP should be dead ><
On February 01 2012 11:57 ReachTheSky wrote: Ok the commentators are really incorrect calling this a miracle hold. Infact it was quite the opposite. JYP botched a forcefield allowing all those marines in. JYP also got so lucky that fin didn't kill the artosis pylon powering all the gates. If fin killed it he would have just had to kite back down the ramp then back up and he would have won. I can't stand when commentators call it completely wrong when JYP got SUPER LUCKY. JYP should be dead ><
On February 01 2012 11:58 Chunhyang wrote: Fin playing like he's inexperienced... He'll get better, his technique is phenomenal, but his instincts still aren't updated...
Yea losing those medivacs, running up a ramp with sentries.. all those mistakes = phenomenal technique. I wish the hype around him would settle down. He's a good player and he'll get better but come on.
On February 01 2012 12:00 Whatson wrote: That was kinda stupid from ForGG He saw 6-7 stalkers waiting on that cliff. He PULLED BACK his medivacs..and then he dropped anyways? wtf?
I have no idea, Stc and forGG are playing uncharacteristically bad. JYP should've lost.
Thank god. If JYP had won vs 2 GSL level Koreans in a row I would have had to leave my computer and check what else had changed considering I would have entered a parallel reality
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote: [quote] How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
On February 01 2012 12:03 Dexington wrote: EG only relying on its Koreans now. Such a shame, when teams like Mouz are competing with the best using only foreign players.
Every team uses the player that they think has the best chance of winning in the situation. EG isn't doing any different. Korean or foreign makes no difference.
On February 01 2012 11:25 Whatson wrote: [quote] Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote: [quote] tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
This argument is relevant to IPL TAC2 EG vs oGs how?
On February 01 2012 11:25 Whatson wrote: [quote] Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote: [quote] tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
On February 01 2012 12:02 McFeser wrote: Can someone explain to me how Fin won that fight? He was going up the ramp and JYP had a good concave.
JYP had bad positioning. He had a great concave of zealots in hold position. By the time his archons completed, his zealots were mostly half-dead. His ffs were not the best and he lost a full energy sentry due to bad positioning. The stalkers were behind the zealots but couldnt damage the force field'd terran because the nexus was blocking it(the stalkers). By the time the ff wore off, the zealots melted because they were already hurt. THEN the archons came into play.
tldr: the tankers (zealot / archon) took too much damage when they didnt do enough damage.
Kinda ironic how EG probably has the highest payroll of any team yet they're losing all the team leagues. "Money can't buy you love" or apparently a cohesive SC2 team either.
On February 01 2012 11:27 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
This argument is relevant to IPL TAC2 EG vs oGs how?
Somebody brought up who has the best PvP, check back a few pages. I wouldn't get involved but if anybody is going to say that MC has bad PvP or that InCa has "the best" PvP, it's time to set the facts straight.
On February 01 2012 11:29 Whatson wrote: [quote] I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote: [quote] Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
This argument is relevant to IPL TAC2 EG vs oGs how?
Somebody brought up who has the best PvP, check back a few pages. I wouldn't get involved but if anybody is going to say that MC has bad PvP or that InCa has "the best" PvP, it's time to set the facts straight.
Too many uninformed people in the world. Too difficult to educate them all.
On February 01 2012 12:02 McFeser wrote: Can someone explain to me how Fin won that fight? He was going up the ramp and JYP had a good concave.
JYP was trying to stall for +1 / +1, charge and high templars. During this he wasted too much sentry energy with some really poor forcefields that then required more forcefields than necessary to do the same job.
I don't know if when he ran in with zealot charge he actually had +1 +1 finished but irregardless he popped two guardian shields, neither of which were protecting the zealots and then backed up after losing the zealots. By the time archons and +1 +1 were done he'd wasted all his sentry energy and lost a fair few zealots for nothing.
On February 01 2012 12:02 McFeser wrote: Can someone explain to me how Fin won that fight? He was going up the ramp and JYP had a good concave.
JYP had bad positioning. He had a great concave of zealots in hold position. By the time his archons completed, his zealots were mostly half-dead. His ffs were not the best and he lost a full energy sentry due to bad positioning. The stalkers were behind the zealots but couldnt damage the force field'd terran because the nexus was blocking it(the stalkers). By the time the ff wore off, the zealots melted because they were already hurt. THEN the archons came into play.
tldr: the tankers (zealot / archon) took too much damage when they didnt do enough damage.
Yeah pretty much. The advantage of that small natural choke in holding early game pushes is flipped around when the supplies start to build, AoE is pretty much obligatory to hold in that kind of position.
On February 01 2012 11:27 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
Well then care to explain why his PvP winrate is still so fucking high??? Remember MC played more competitive game than almost any SC2 Koreans.
On February 01 2012 11:29 Whatson wrote: [quote] I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote: [quote] Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
Well then care to explain why his PvP winrate is still so fucking high??? Remember MC played more competitive game than almost any SC2 Koreans.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote: [quote] How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
Well then care to explain why his PvP winrate is still so fucking high??? Remember MC played more competitive game than almost any SC2 Koreans.
because he won a lot when 4 gate working?
So what, both players can 4 gates each others if they want, and MC has superior micro compare to the others and he won. Are you going to say that 4 gates wins don't count ?
disappointing result for EG. I thought that they had a chance and if not, the series would actually be close. For some reason EG always seems to play worse in team leagues, not sure why though. You'd think with such a stacked roster they would have better team results, but I guess individual success isn't an exact translation to team league format.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote: [quote] [quote]
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
Well then care to explain why his PvP winrate is still so fucking high??? Remember MC played more competitive game than almost any SC2 Koreans.
because he won a lot when 4 gate working?
So what, both players can 4 gates each others if they want, and MC has superior micro compare to the others and he won. Are you going to say that 4 gates wins don't count ?
im saying 4 gate currently not working like in the past.
MC's PvP since IPL 3/GSL super tournament 20/17,which is pretty poor for best PvP or top 3 PvP player lol..
Why didn't EG play Huk? I mean Old generations probably still would've won but maybe they would have a better chance of winning one or two more games with Huk.
On February 01 2012 11:37 Olinimm wrote: [quote] I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote: [quote] PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
Well then care to explain why his PvP winrate is still so fucking high??? Remember MC played more competitive game than almost any SC2 Koreans.
because he won a lot when 4 gate working?
So what, both players can 4 gates each others if they want, and MC has superior micro compare to the others and he won. Are you going to say that 4 gates wins don't count ?
im saying 4 gate currently not working like in the past.
MC's PvP since IPL 3/GSL super tournament 20/17,which is pretty poor for best PvP or top 3 PvP player lol..
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He lost to HuK, Inori and HongUn. All good players, does that make him bad? No. Why? b/c he could beat them when he's on his top form easily, and plz compare him at a better time, not when he was having a slump. MC's weakness is PvZ when he could lost to a no name like Monster and some random Zergs. But not PvP, period.
On February 01 2012 12:09 Bagration wrote: Looks like VileIllusion and oGsIllusion are tied in wins so far in this tournament...how fitting.
Latter is still far better.
I kinda think its hard to judge for both of these players, as they are still pretty unknown and haven't had a large amount of results to go by. And looking at both player's TLPD pages, you can't say either one is way better than the other, as both have had many impressive victories.
Idra handled the lings very well, he had proper timing on the lair and evo, he should of put down a spore, most would. He also had the overlord in sac position to see cloak position, but he didn't do taht.
Illusion was floating 1K+ during the helion attack and ended up losing a lot of helions to lings in middle ect..
He just didn't sac that overlord, keep the middle to see banshees coming, or put down 1 spore or build overseer when lair popped. He still could of won the game, seen better comebacks.
Not sure why they decided to go with Machine instead of Huk though...
On February 01 2012 12:41 Lewan72 wrote: Why didn't EG play Huk? I mean Old generations probably still would've won but maybe they would have a better chance of winning one or two more games with Huk.
He's currently living in the oGs house. Probably had a lot to do with it.
On February 01 2012 12:41 Lewan72 wrote: Why didn't EG play Huk? I mean Old generations probably still would've won but maybe they would have a better chance of winning one or two more games with Huk.
He's currently living in the oGs house. Probably had a lot to do with it.
He moved out from the Slayers house and went back to OGS house.
I think you may be mistaken. Idra and Huk where both living in Slayers as last I've heard.
On February 01 2012 12:41 Lewan72 wrote: Why didn't EG play Huk? I mean Old generations probably still would've won but maybe they would have a better chance of winning one or two more games with Huk.
He's currently living in the oGs house. Probably had a lot to do with it.
On February 01 2012 12:41 Lewan72 wrote: Why didn't EG play Huk? I mean Old generations probably still would've won but maybe they would have a better chance of winning one or two more games with Huk.
He's currently living in the oGs house. Probably had a lot to do with it.
On February 01 2012 12:36 Clank wrote: disappointing result for EG. I thought that they had a chance and if not, the series would actually be close. For some reason EG always seems to play worse in team leagues, not sure why though. You'd think with such a stacked roster they would have better team results, but I guess individual success isn't an exact translation to team league format.
If you compare their opponents in oGs I think they did as well as could be hoped for really.
On February 01 2012 12:36 Clank wrote: disappointing result for EG. I thought that they had a chance and if not, the series would actually be close. For some reason EG always seems to play worse in team leagues, not sure why though. You'd think with such a stacked roster they would have better team results, but I guess individual success isn't an exact translation to team league format.
If you compare their opponents in oGs I think they did as well as could be hoped for really.
This! I'm not really sure why so many expected EG to win. I mean Idra is good but his mindset is meh and he hasn't been playing his best. HuK has unfortunately been in a pretty big slump and JYP is terrible vs T which oGs has an abundance of. IMO their only chance was if maybe Puma could pull out a miracle and all kill.
On February 01 2012 12:39 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On February 01 2012 12:31 jyLee wrote: ForGG proving mechanics > strategy.
Yeah and GSL proving strategy > ForGG's mechanics
Uh yeah, no surprises here. Would say I was impressed that EG got 2 wins, but then you look at who got those two wins...
MVP proving both > all.
Amen to that. My impression of JYP v fOrGG = fOrGG making a bunch of units, attacking. Then making a whole bunch of units, then attacking. Then making a Looooot of units, then attacking. All of his attacks were only moderately well executed. The drops ran at a massive deficit. The attack up the ramp was quite weak imo. Dunno why JYP didn't have the army to crush it. I guess 1 colossi would have done the job. but yea, irresistible macro can sometimes overwhelm your opponents lol
On February 01 2012 16:03 mrtomjones wrote: Eh? Is Huk actually in OGS house? Why would he leave Slayers so quick?
From what Ihave heard he is at oGs house to play since his computer is broken at slayers. I don't know the full facts or anything but I imagine he's going back to slayers once his computer is fixed or whatever.
On February 01 2012 16:03 mrtomjones wrote: Eh? Is Huk actually in OGS house? Why would he leave Slayers so quick?
From what Ihave heard he is at oGs house to play since his computer is broken at slayers. I don't know the full facts or anything but I imagine he's going back to slayers once his computer is fixed or whatever.
Ahh alrighty thanks. Should stop looking at that Korean porn... viruses and such!
Given that Huk wasn't playing, the result wasn't actually that bad for EG. I'm a big EG fan but people seem to have a bit an inflated view of their players strength. Against an S-class Terran lineup from OGs, Puma and JYP did quite well. Sad that Idra couldn't get a win too, but him getting beaten by a solid korean terran is hardly an upset.
On February 01 2012 23:33 Substandard wrote: Given that Huk wasn't playing, the result wasn't actually that bad for EG. I'm a big EG fan but people seem to have a bit an inflated view of their players strength. Against an S-class Terran lineup from OGs, Puma and JYP did quite well. Sad that Idra couldn't get a win too, but him getting beaten by a solid korean terran is hardly an upset.
Actually, if Idra would have wun. That would be the upset
On February 01 2012 16:03 mrtomjones wrote: Eh? Is Huk actually in OGS house? Why would he leave Slayers so quick?
From what Ihave heard he is at oGs house to play since his computer is broken at slayers. I don't know the full facts or anything but I imagine he's going back to slayers once his computer is fixed or whatever.
It being notoriously difficult to walk to a store and buy a computer in Korea. The image I have of EG is that they would've wired the money overnight and Huk would have a new PC in hours. If he wanted to be at SlayerS I'm guessing he would be.
Should be a race limit on teams (uhm... in-game race, not player race xD)
I mean, oGs played great as expected, but teams of exclusively Terran are just...boring to watch. While I do have a foreigner bias, I'd rather have seen an oGs toss.
Sorry for the delayed EU rebroadcast. Something in our process had a hiccup, we're looking into ways to solve it for the future so it doesn't happen again.
On February 01 2012 11:37 Olinimm wrote: [quote] I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote: [quote] PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
Well then care to explain why his PvP winrate is still so fucking high??? Remember MC played more competitive game than almost any SC2 Koreans.
because he won a lot when 4 gate working?
So what, both players can 4 gates each others if they want, and MC has superior micro compare to the others and he won. Are you going to say that 4 gates wins don't count ?
im saying 4 gate currently not working like in the past.
MC's PvP since IPL 3/GSL super tournament 20/17,which is pretty poor for best PvP or top 3 PvP player lol..
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Yet you say InCa is top 3 and since the Super Tournament InCa is 3/3, including a loss to MC. And Inori was only good at a time because nobody had practiced against his style. Since then MC has been 4-0 against him or something like that.
Well.. oGs is a terran powerhouse now that MC is not there anymore, and EG don't have a lot of good XvT player. Like any at all even. Not so surprised by the results.
On February 02 2012 06:04 Noocta wrote: Well.. oGs is a terran powerhouse now that MC is not there anymore, and EG don't have a lot of good XvT player. Like any at all even. Not so surprised by the results.
They have always been a terran powerhouse with TOP,theStC,NaDa etc
On February 02 2012 06:04 Noocta wrote: Well.. oGs is a terran powerhouse now that MC is not there anymore, and EG don't have a lot of good XvT player. Like any at all even. Not so surprised by the results.
They have always been a terran powerhouse with TOP,theStC,NaDa etc
Yeah, but that wasn't so obvious back a few month with MC, Inca as protoss; when TheStC was absent from the scene and fOrGG not there yet.
Inca is still a protoss and even better than before. They lost Zenio, herO, MC and some minor players. Their Zerglineup has some Problem to break through (im still cheering for you luvsic, cezanne and jookto), Inca has a PvZ Problem, Vines has his moments but needs more stability and the rest are mostly Terrans which are pretty good: SuperNova, Nada, TOP, STC, Illusion, ForGG. To break the Lineup you need a pretty good Protoss with a good PvT.
They definitly need luvsic, vines and jookto to break through for a better teamleague lineup but aslong as the other team cant deal with their terran lineup they will win
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