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On January 16 2012 23:43 Love and Justice wrote:
Terrans are just too strong, they can go any style and kill zergs with it. They have so many opening attacka, it's so hard as a Zerg to scouts it and stop it hellion/maurader/marine,Banshee/hellion,marine/maurder,mass hellion, marine,tank etc etc etc. Not just that in late games like what happened to Lucky vs MVP with those snipes man so imba kills every late game Zerg unit, Blizzard should be Embarrassed(same with the mothership vortex) on taking so long to nerf it, I mean they did nerf the infestor and the stupid ultralisk splash damage after seeing how imba that was.
This is too biased.
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On January 16 2012 23:46 secretary bird wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:26 massivez wrote:On January 16 2012 23:22 cyclone25 wrote:On January 16 2012 23:08 massivez wrote:On January 16 2012 23:01 cutler wrote:
From my point of view...as a Terran Player...i dont get why most Zerg Players are not trying to copy NesTea Style...he is steamrolling through Terran...well at least i think he is crushing Terran pretty hard.
I dont get why people blame GOM for the situation. No he's not, he gets beaten by MMA and MVP consistently. Only this R32 he defeated MVP in a B03. And those game's he won weren't particulary macro games. I even think his zvt is his worst match-up. The 2 zergs i see atm who can consistently beat a terran that is not MMA or MVP are DRG and Leenock. But even Leenock is making me doubt about that this season. Leenock and DRG are good vs T but not consistent. I'll post some tlpd stats again: DongRaeGu: 63% vT Leenock:___ 55% vT NesTea:____53% vT Curious:___ 53% vT Losira:____ 48% vT Now let's compare these to Terran's TvZ stats: IMHappy:__ 80% vZ MMA:_____ 76% vZ Mvp:______ 69% vZ TheStC:___ 69% vZ Jjakji:_____ 68% vZ Ganzi:____ 68% vZ MarineKing: 67% vZ Keen:_____ 66% vZ Bomber:___ 65% vZ Taeja:_____ 65% vZ These stats are enough to prove that it's very hard to have consistent result as zerg vs terran. Was too lazy too check on the winrate's, but i gotta say im pretty shocked about this :S. I dont think these are correct. I checked 5 of them and they are all wrong like Curious and Nestea have better winrates for instance. Not that it means much after all the patches.
They just updated their stats Give Nestea the two wins against MVP now winrate vs terran 56.18% and Curious wins over Bomber now winrate vs Terran 57.58%.
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On January 16 2012 23:50 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:43 Love and Justice wrote:
Terrans are just too strong, they can go any style and kill zergs with it. They have so many opening attacka, it's so hard as a Zerg to scouts it and stop it hellion/maurader/marine,Banshee/hellion,marine/maurder,mass hellion, marine,tank etc etc etc. Not just that in late games like what happened to Lucky vs MVP with those snipes man so imba kills every late game Zerg unit, Blizzard should be Embarrassed(same with the mothership vortex) on taking so long to nerf it, I mean they did nerf the infestor and the stupid ultralisk splash damage after seeing how imba that was.
This is too biased.
I'm guessing you're a terran just saying what I been seeing in the GSL lately.
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On January 16 2012 23:34 Mobius_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:19 slimbo1 wrote:On January 16 2012 23:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 16 2012 23:07 slimbo1 wrote:
Why is there a ":[" for zenio? why not? So, "why not?" is the reason for doing so?  How about the reason TEAM LIQUID!!!
Check the older LR threads, it has nothing to do with TL. It's just something he adds to the players that drop down to Code A, no reason to make a big deal ou of it.
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Why do the LR threads turn to balance whines all the fucking time after the games are over?
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Wow...really impressive showing by MMA.
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On January 16 2012 23:52 Love and Justice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:50 Wildmoon wrote:On January 16 2012 23:43 Love and Justice wrote:
Terrans are just too strong, they can go any style and kill zergs with it. They have so many opening attacka, it's so hard as a Zerg to scouts it and stop it hellion/maurader/marine,Banshee/hellion,marine/maurder,mass hellion, marine,tank etc etc etc. Not just that in late games like what happened to Lucky vs MVP with those snipes man so imba kills every late game Zerg unit, Blizzard should be Embarrassed(same with the mothership vortex) on taking so long to nerf it, I mean they did nerf the infestor and the stupid ultralisk splash damage after seeing how imba that was.
This is too biased. I'm guessing you're a terran just saying what I been seeing in the GSL lately.
DRG almost beat MMA last season using early-game timings, so I don't see how Terrans 'are just too strong.' Zergs have problems during the Hive phase just like Terrans have trouble during Lair- phase. Saying that Terrans are 'imba' would imply that Terrans have like a >70% win ratio or something, which they don't. TvZ is IMO the most balanced and fun matchup in SC2 right now.
For reference I'm a Protoss player.
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On January 16 2012 23:56 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:34 Mobius_1 wrote:On January 16 2012 23:19 slimbo1 wrote:On January 16 2012 23:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 16 2012 23:07 slimbo1 wrote:
Why is there a ":[" for zenio? why not? So, "why not?" is the reason for doing so? How about the reason TEAM LIQUID!!! Check the older LR threads, it has nothing to do with TL. It's just something he adds to the players that drop down to Code A, no reason to make a big deal ou of it.
He's always added a ':[' to the player that drops to Code A ro32 and a 'T__T' to the player that drops to ro64.
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On January 17 2012 00:01 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:52 Love and Justice wrote:On January 16 2012 23:50 Wildmoon wrote:On January 16 2012 23:43 Love and Justice wrote:
Terrans are just too strong, they can go any style and kill zergs with it. They have so many opening attacka, it's so hard as a Zerg to scouts it and stop it hellion/maurader/marine,Banshee/hellion,marine/maurder,mass hellion, marine,tank etc etc etc. Not just that in late games like what happened to Lucky vs MVP with those snipes man so imba kills every late game Zerg unit, Blizzard should be Embarrassed(same with the mothership vortex) on taking so long to nerf it, I mean they did nerf the infestor and the stupid ultralisk splash damage after seeing how imba that was.
This is too biased. I'm guessing you're a terran just saying what I been seeing in the GSL lately. DRG almost beat MMA last season using early-game timings, so I don't see how Terrans 'are just too strong.' That would imply that Terrans have like a >70% win ratio or something, which they don't. TvZ is IMO the most balanced and fun matchup in SC2 right now.
Ya It was in Brizzard cup he used early roach timing if I remember right good if you can catch a terran by surprise, if only he had some mauraders. Zergs do have timing every race does just terran have a better mix then zerg/protoss.
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Ahhhh so close...! Toe to toe with the second and third best terran in the world, and nothing to show for it. T_T
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On January 17 2012 00:35 tree.hugger wrote:
Ahhhh so close...! Toe to toe with the second and third best terran in the world, and nothing to show for it. T_T
I wouldn't count GuMiho as the third best Terran in the world. He's good, but not that good.
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MMA is some kind of close-to-God Terran.
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damn zenio 1 game away T)T
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MMA is just too good. Congrats!
Why are people calling Gumiho the 3rd best Terran in the world? Did I miss something? He's top 20 at best.
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Nice, today couldn't have gone any better - too bad I couldn't watch it since my internet is shaped. I did manage to watch (crappily) using my phone 3g connection and saw that Yugioh absolutely choked set3!
Didn't catch the Gumiho vs Zenio games but I must catchup to them!
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Love MMA , stomped through his group! , shame about Zenio was hoping TL would get more players progressing high into gsl, Guna be a SICK RO16
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On January 16 2012 22:37 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 22:30 mvtaylor wrote:On January 16 2012 22:17 pdd wrote:Looking very likely that it'll be GomTvT again... so many Terrans  So far.. Out of 8 Zergs only 2 have advanced Out of 3 Protoss 2 have advanced Out of 9 Terran 6 have advanced Only 1 Zerg left in ro32 (DRG) along with 6 T and 5 P. Having said that with the Zergs that haven't made it being the foreigner invites and those who have made pretty bad mistakes - Yugioh all of today and Zenio in that last game it's only really the players themselves to blame. Only Zerg who didn't advance that I'm truly surprised about is Leenock. well so the rate so far, taking out the 2 foreigner zergs is 33.3% zerg success rate, 66.6% terran success rate and 66.6% protoss success rate. Looks decent so far to me.... Not to mention another zerg besides idra was gone when he was seeded into the same group as MVP and Nestea. Don't see the fuss to be honest. Leenock is the only surprise.
True.
I am confused though why Terran seems to be the weakest rate sometimes when the tournament is not Korean. It seems simplistic to just say that most of the best players chose Terran.
Um, MMA and Gumiho, no surprises, Zenio putting up a fight no surprise, Yugioh crashing out expected. Meh. I wanted Zenio in over Gumiho though. I like him better.
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no suprises here. too medicore korean zergs vs crazy good terran and decent terran.
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On January 17 2012 00:35 tree.hugger wrote:
Ahhhh so close...! Toe to toe with the second and third best terran in the world, and nothing to show for it. T_T
did i miss something here? when did gumiho become 3rd best terran?
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EPT
