"So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare.
I agree there has been a lot of clutter in the recent GSL threads. It makes navigating a bit cumbersome. :$
I really like your OP, though! Thanks for making this.
Hum, in my opinion this is waaaay less exiting to open than the seeker's threads, you never know what is it going to be, cats, photos, random stuff...this is serius and polite though and looks more "clean". I think it would be a good thing to do a thread kind of this sort but with all the awesomeness in seeker's threads, maybe make the awesomeness spoiled so people who just want to look at the important info shall find it easily.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
This is not a complete thread (that's why there's no polls or song list or any other standard thing), as I won't be able to update it. A new thread will be created, probably by Seeker. Maybe he will just quote my post and use it in a new thread or create his own standard one. Anyway is good, I just want to see some better looking threads in the future.
All I see this thread as is, I want to be the person who does these thread and be somewhat "e-famous" for it or a battle between Bw LR thread and Sc2 Threads. I've never seen Bw LR threads nor do I care to look at it since I don't watch it bit if you look at your set-up and this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302463 You'll see that even though you have less things in it, it doesn't mean it's better. Actually I think your is inferior to Seeker's.
First of all, Seeker includes a message at the top so people know about the fast foward key and the potential lag the stream causes sometimes. He also days who the casters will be which I find to be important to know seeing how there's so many casters and even though Artosis and Tasteless do the Code S usually, they don't always do it(usually when other tournaments are going on and they go to those ones instead.)
It is then followed by where this one starts. The pictures of the players and the matches. Now his is a bit longer onw seeing how he had to add who won and lose in the spoiler part. You will have to do that too anyway Afterwards. So far there hasn't been any material that I don't find important.
The next thing that's put in is some polls but in spoilers. It gives you an option to vote on who you think will advance while not taking a whole bunch of space unless you open it. Why would you open it if you don't want to vote and besides you can always close it after you've voted so it never really takes large amounts of space.
The rest of It is just the list of casters, A link where you can vote on different LR themes and the Kpop section. Since I personally don't care about that part, I don't look at it but it's there for people who like to do that stuff.(all this stuff is on the bottom anyway so it's not like it's in the middle of the thread.)
What really makes his page so "hard to understand" or "too long" is his 2 pictures on the top since they are large. If you take those 2 pictures out your page and his page would be just long. The difference being he has added information that I find is important and you Have 1 section that you have drawn out by adding size 28 font titles.
Someone out there is probably gonna shit on this, but I gotta say really well played OP. You said Things needed to be improved, got in trouble for it and said fine, THIS is how things can be improved. I appreciate it and think if more people took the initiative to back up their complaints e-sports and so much more on the internet could improve very rapidly.
Kudos, and nice OP.
Edit:
On January 13 2012 08:06 nakedsurfer wrote: All I see this thread as is, I want to be the person who does these thread and be somewhat "e-famous" for it or a battle between Bw LR thread and Sc2 Threads. I've never seen Bw LR threads nor do I care to look at it since I don't watch it bit if you look at your set-up and this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302463 You'll see that even though you have less things in it, it doesn't mean it's better. Actually I think your is inferior to Seeker's.
So you just think this guy is wrong without wanting to educate yourself even slightly to get the barest glimpse of his point of view? You're the reason we'll never see world peace. Though I'll agree that the options to select themes for LR threads is pretty nice.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
So... why is this better than the usual Seeker LR thread? I mean... it's fine, the effort is appreciated, but I don't see any benefit at all when compared to the other one. Both serve their purpose , and Seeker's LR is a lot funnier. This LR is also not up to the "BW LR standards" you're supposed to be clinging to. Those are straightforward, but aren't dull like this one.
All in all, effort apreciated, but the truth is that your criticism is based only on personal taste, and as you see here in my post, it's extremely easy to criticise based on personal taste, I can do it too. If you want to make an LR thread, that's cool, but all this banter is pretty pretentious and sounds pretty arrogant, considering it's only a matter of taste. Personally, I like Seeker's LRs more than this, despite it's positive points many have already mentioned.
Nice and clean look, you could even tone down the mirroring effect (not necessarily remove it, just make it more transparent/less 'bold'). very nice top pictures. I have to agree that the LR-threads have sorta given up ease-of-use for a carnival of whatever-goes that I don't enjoy. To each his own though, I appreciate the effort in any case.
Personally prefer a clean LR thread... I think anything which is irrelevant to the LR should either be removed, spoilered or moved to the bottom of the thread. That way people not interested in all the other random stuff can just see what needs to be seen, while others who wanna get hyped or whatever can see it by scrolling down a little bit more. Priority should always be on the LR.
I would say that Seeker's LR's has improved a bit though... I didn't really like it when the whole page would be clogged up with DBZ and other random stuff that it was pretty annoying to have to keep scrolling down to check who was playing next and on what map.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
So... why is this better than the usual Seeker LR thread? I mean... it's fine, the effort is appreciated, but I don't see any benefit at all when compared to the other one. Both serve their purpose , and Seeker's LR is a lot funnier. This LR is also not up to the "BW LR standards" you're supposed to be clinging to. Those are straightforward, but aren't dull like this one.
All in all, effort apreciated, but the truth is that your criticism is based only on personal taste. If you want to make an LR thread, that's cool, but all this banter is pretty pretentious and sounds pretty arrogant, considering it's only a matter of taste. Personally, I like Seeker's LRs more than this, despite it's positive points many have already mentioned.
Of course it's his opinion, that's why we have names in this forum instead of rallying under "Anonymous" or something like that. He didn't even tried to "ninja" the thread by making it before seeker, he already asked for this thread to be closed once seeker make his.
That being said, I like this thread, But I also like seeker's. I think a mid-term between this and the other LR threads would be ideal. I guess if seeker added something similar to the Hype part we usually have in BW LRs it would solve a lot of problems.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
So... why is this better than the usual Seeker LR thread? I mean... it's fine, the effort is appreciated, but I don't see any benefit at all when compared to the other one. Both serve their purpose , and Seeker's LR is a lot funnier. This LR is also not up to the "BW LR standards" you're supposed to be clinging to. Those are straightforward, but aren't dull like this one.
All in all, effort apreciated, but the truth is that your criticism is based only on personal taste. If you want to make an LR thread, that's cool, but all this banter is pretty pretentious and sounds pretty arrogant, considering it's only a matter of taste. Personally, I like Seeker's LRs more than this, despite it's positive points many have already mentioned.
Of course it's his opinion, that's why we have names in this forum instead of rallying under "Anonymous" or something like that.
That being said, I like this thread, But I also like seeker's. I think a mid-term between this and the other LR threads would be ideal. I guess if seeker added something similar to the Hype part we usually have in BW LRs it would solve a lot of problems.
Obviously, the point is the way in which the message is delivered, it's pretty annoying, but whatever, it doesn't matter really.
Both are different but I can see people need to have a nice clean layout, some people like the personality Seeker uses in his threads and probably won't take to this layout too much. I like them both though, as people have been saying they both serve a purpose and they both do it well. Looking forward to more of this kind though.
Something in the middle would be great. I feel this one is really pleasing to look at, but a bit on the boring side whereas Seeker's thread can be a bit of a mess at times yet they can be pretty fun. How about both you guys work together?
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
Each of their own, im happy if theres atleast one good soul to put in time and effort to make such LR thread like this or the other ones.
Lately I have been looking at all my threads thinking to myself
"Blah, it's a cluster fuck, I need to pretty this up."
Unfortunately, with my time consumed with Team aiR and college I haven't had the time to tidy things up. I was going to get to it this weekend. I was actually going to re-vamp my whole LR style and make it look neater.
I like this OP. And since you said I can use your format I most definitely will.
I personally prefer this thread over seekers as the important part (who won/which games were good) are not as clustered, while at the same time the unimportant parts are cut out
Song list/Casters can of course be added, but nobody needs a picture of Artosis and Tasteless and some LR guys at the top of the thread
I like this format because of its simplicity and it looks more professional. Seeker threads are fun, but I dream of the day when TL can become as popular as some of the major sports websites. If we ever reach that point, then having clean, simple LR will be important as it lends itself to higher professionalism and legitimacy.
As for the match, I hope MMA and either yugioh or zenio make it out.
On January 13 2012 08:44 Seeker wrote: I just got to know: Are you personally attacking me with this thread?
It really doesn't seem like a personal attack to me, its just your thread are quite the clusterfuck.
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the effort you put in (same to anyone else who makes LR threads for big events) but it takes me twice as long as it should to find the information I'm looking for when there is information all over the place such as in your recent LRs.
Not gonna lie, I hate the gimmicky bullshit of Seeker's LR threads. No offence to him, but it just seems unprofessional and immature having different themes. Hopefully clean sticks around.
I personally prefer this thread over seekers as the important part (who won/which games were good) are not as clustered, while at the same time the unimportant parts are cut out
Song list/Casters can of course be added, but nobody needs a picture of Artosis and Tasteless and some LR guys at the top of the thread
I like this op as well as it's pretty clean and nice looking. However, I would leave the player photos unedited, instead of the faded look you gave them.
yeah, i agree with the general clutter of the current LR thread. It's almost three full pagedowns on my laptop (*768 res) before I find out what matches are being played, in which order. I understand seeker's pretty proud of fishuu's drawing but it can quite happily sit in a misc spoiler at the bottom, the same with the lag notice perhaps (I never experienced that problem with the lag anyway), and also with the casters. I love your minimalist design. Although if you are to tinker with it, I'd like names with the pictures. Unless you really follow the korean scene you're not going to recognise many players instantly with just a picture and a team jersey to go off of, especially some of the lesser known ones like gumiho and yugioh.
Well I'm going to look at this thread as things for me to improve.
Now here's the thing. My first post I didn't express much emotion. But in this second one I will. I'm sorry if I come off rude but I have thing that need to be said. As of right now, I feel really offended. I also need some things answered:
For starters:
1) I had no idea we had ppl on TL who were discontent with my layout
2) If you guys had problems why didn't you guys tell me about it? You always tell me problems regarding polls and whatnot but not ONCE did I get ANY kind of msg telling me about layout issues
3) @OP If you had a problem with what I did, why didn't you PM me about it? This thread just feels like a personal attack on me. I feel embarrassed and ashamed now reading what ppl have been posting about me and my threads.
4) @OP If all you had were clean intentions that's fine. But this feels like you didn't give a damn about how I would have felt if I saw this thread.
5) I do realize my threads need clean up and I will work on it.
6) I apologize for my tone but honestly, when I'm being called out like this, I won't just stand by and let ppl say stuff about me
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
So this thread is nothing but a practice? I don't understand if you had a problem with the LR threads why not send this to Seeker in PM and discuss it? You make this thread and say you won't be around to update it for the actual event? So that some kind-hearted soul like Seeker will have to remake it for the real thing? I am so confused >.<
Edit: Whats important is the fact that there is an LR thread for this event and someone around to spend the time to create it. There are only a handful of people willing to make LR threads and this kind of thread bashing is just going to lead to no LR threads.
Why didn't seeker make this? Seeker is by far the best at making these threads. You honestly should have at least talked to him about it before you made this thread... If you want to work collaboratively on it go for it, but just calling him out like this was really unprofessional and BM
I personally prefer this thread over seekers as the important part (who won/which games were good) are not as clustered, while at the same time the unimportant parts are cut out
Song list/Casters can of course be added, but nobody needs a picture of Artosis and Tasteless and some LR guys at the top of the thread
Good luck trying to do that every day...
I never said that SC2 LR threads should look like that, but people were saying: "I have never seen a BW LR thread", so I figured I might post a nice one
Also, Proleague has on average 5 LR Threads per week, but SC2 watchers are just not as good about Photoshop or Hype - I don't know.
@Seeker, I think there has been some criticism in the LR threads but people just don't want to delve into it so much or spend time on a post that is not even read by you and even then might not change anything.
Why is everyone getting so offended and worked up? He stated he doesn't like the clutter of Seeker's threads and so he posted an example of what he would like to see. He didn't attack anyone personally, he didn't post with bad manners or intentions to hurt or offend.
The reason he made a thread and not speaking to Seeker directly is because he wanted to see what the public opinion was rather than just telling Seeker personally.
Seriously how thin-skinned are some people in this thread? Nothing he said was flammatory or offensive you just need to relax, he wasn't insulting Seeker. The only person who has right to be even slightly offended is Seeker himself and even then it isn't warranted because it isn't a personal attack.
On January 13 2012 09:00 Seeker wrote: Well I'm going to look at this thread as things for me to improve.
Now here's the thing. My first post I didn't express much emotion. But in this second one I will. I'm sorry if I come off rude but I have thing that need to be said. As of right now, I feel really offended. I also need some things answered:
For starters:
1) I had no idea we had ppl on TL who were discontent with my layout
2) If you guys had problems why didn't you guys tell me about it? You always tell me problems regarding polls and whatnot but not ONCE did I get ANY kind of msg telling me about layout issues
3) @OP If you had a problem with what I did, why didn't you PM me about it? This thread just feels like a personal attack on me. I feel embarrassed and ashamed now reading what ppl have been posting about me and my threads. You happy now?
4) @OP If all you had were clean intentions that's fine. But this feels like you didn't give a damn how I would have felt if I saw this thread.
5) I do realize my threads need clean up and I will work on it.
6) I apologize for my tone but honestly, when I'm being called out like this, I won't just stand by and let ppl say stuff about me
This is what I was talking about, sure, OP, you can make and propose LRs, but the truth is the way you're putting this forward is really annoying, and must be that much more so to Seeker and co. They make a huge effort and the way you presented the criticism is just... disgusting.
Seeker does a way better job than this with his -_- How is anyone complaining it is tough to navigate his LR's or anyone elses who has done them before (MrCon, PDD etc).
Have any of those complaining actually compared it to what Seeker's last one was for example? This is so similar it is stupid, except Seeker throws in a bunch of little things that amuse or spice things up. They are put AFTER the results etc too. Good god. All this comes off as is that you want to be doing the LR yourself.
The only "clutter" that is before the results portions of the previous op is 1) a picture of Tastosis(OH NO) 2) A funny picture of those who help with the LR's 3) A short blurb that is designed to help people fix a small bug in Gom player.
The ONLY improvement imo is the bigger player pictures in the banner. Seriously, people really need to learn to 1)Offer constructive criticism(which I know I didnt do here) and 2) Be thankful for the hard work that certain individuals put into their nights/days for mine and YOUR enjoyment Really? Is that so fricking terrible? Its helpful and provides those who are early or w/e to discuss other things or have ammusement or w/e.
If this is supposed to be SO superior then imo you have failed horribly and only come off as someone who is not appreciative of the hard work that the people have put into the threads in the past. Considering you come from BW apparently it also seems like you have that all too common superiority complex.
I personally prefer this thread over seekers as the important part (who won/which games were good) are not as clustered, while at the same time the unimportant parts are cut out
Song list/Casters can of course be added, but nobody needs a picture of Artosis and Tasteless and some LR guys at the top of the thread
Proleague thread =/= GSL thread.
Frankly, the fact that matches are happening every single day makes it tough to get unique graphics done, and that's why people like myself and Seeker tend to go with a few standard banners.
On January 13 2012 09:00 Seeker wrote: Well I'm going to look at this thread as things for me to improve.
Now here's the thing. My first post I didn't express much emotion. But in this second one I will. I'm sorry if I come off rude but I have thing that need to be said. As of right now, I feel really offended. I also need some things answered:
For starters:
1) I had no idea we had ppl on TL who were discontent with my layout
2) If you guys had problems why didn't you guys tell me about it? You always tell me problems regarding polls and whatnot but not ONCE did I get ANY kind of msg telling me about layout issues
3) @OP If you had a problem with what I did, why didn't you PM me about it? This thread just feels like a personal attack on me. I feel embarrassed and ashamed now reading what ppl have been posting about me and my threads. You happy now?
4) @OP If all you had were clean intentions that's fine. But this feels like you didn't give a damn about how I would have felt if I saw this thread.
5) I do realize my threads need clean up and I will work on it.
6) I apologize for my tone but honestly, when I'm being called out like this, I won't just stand by and let ppl say stuff about me
I think your LR's are the best already. This guy is just coming off as an ungrateful jerk. Keep in mind that 90% of those who voice comments are always going to be the complainers who are always loudest. That does not mean that those of us who like the way things are done and always appreciate the drawings or themes etc and hardwork you do don't support you and quite possibly largely outnumber a vocal minority.
Everyone needs to chill. The OP said himself he can't update the LR, so Seeker can just look into this thread get some valuable feedback (read: the nice banner at the top) and make his own thread, taking into the feedback he got from the discussion in this thread and then make his own OP on Monday.
Job done.
On January 13 2012 09:39 songohan wrote: question: do you need a permission to make this kind of thread? and what happens if there are 2 threads of 1 event?
The lazier thread starter will redirect traffic to the other thread. It happened once with me, where I was ninja'd half way.. I believe during the World Championships team league Of course, I don't know what would happen if both OP's refuse to back down. I guess TL mods will decide?
On January 13 2012 09:41 pdd wrote: Everyone needs to chill. The OP said himself he can't update the LR, so Seeker can just look into this thread get some valuable feedback (read: the nice banner at the top) and make his own thread, taking into the feedback he got from the discussion in this thread and then make his own OP on Monday.
On January 13 2012 09:39 songohan wrote: question: do you need a permission to make this kind of thread? and what happens if there are 2 threads of 1 event?
The lazier thread starter will redirect traffic to the other thread. It happened once with me, where I was ninja'd half way.. I believe during the World Championships team league Of course, I don't know what would happen if both OP's refuse to back down. I guess TL mods will decide?
Meh I just think its rude as heck the way he puts this out here. If he wanted to give suggestions he could have sent the template for this to Seeker in private instead of posting a big rant about it here.
I like the layout of this thread better than Seeker's, but the OP should have suggested these things to Seeker first. This thread comes off as rude and offensive to Seeker I'd say.
I honestly think this is pretty silly. Seeker's threads are fine, and I don't see why people are putting up such a fuss about them. The guy works hard to make his threads good (by his own standards; maybe you disagree with those standards, but subjective aesthetics aside, his threads objectively cover everything that a LR thread needs to cover).
I realize that perhaps OP didn't mean to offend anyone, but I can't help but feel that it's a bit tactless to just make an entire LR thread as an example of how you think things should be done. Yeah, yeah, thin-skinned, easily offended, etc., but I can see how this is rather embarrassing to Seeker. You guys need to try empathizing a bit: He puts time and effort into LR threads, and, according to him, people seem fine with them (i.e not really many complaints), and then suddenly here's someone posting a LR thread like an indirect, passive-aggressive criticism instead of just PMing Seeker with suggestions. Creating this thread with the intent to criticize has the added consequence of people posting in here and everything becoming a big criticism-fest. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing inherently wrong with collective constructive criticism and I believe we should try to make everyone happy and compromise on how the LR threads look, but it's better that Seeker gets a chance to come forward and ask for suggestions (perhaps being prompted by several PMs) instead of some guy making a thread to just force it down his throat.
Oh, I made my post thinking Odoakar and Seeker spoke about this before it was made. I don't think anyone had any objections to your LR threads Seeker either, but Odoakar definitely needed to speak to Seeker before making these kind of suggestions.
I love this thread! The LR threads of Seeker, MrCon, etc. are unbelievably cluttered with these ridiculous themes that have little-to-nothing to do with the games themselves other than to provide a cartoonish atmosphere that makes it difficult to take the GSL seriously simply by its association with the content of said threads.
The formatting and presentation with this thread perfectly aligns with the professionalism the GSL exudes.
I don't understand this thread at all. If I were Seeker I would be pissed off too. Who are you to create an LR thread when someone has been clearly, obviously laboriously pouring himself into making them day after day in service of those who watch GSL (not to mention updating them really quickly) and clearly gets a lot out of what he's doing? It's a seriously douchey move. Especially because you didn't make a post in the appropriate forum or PM Seeker about your opinions on LR threads, you blatantly made a thread for the next set of GSL games in an LR style (in the tournaments forum, even) and said "Oh, I'm actually not even going to update this." It's misleading and rude, not to mention mean, and directly discredits all the effort Seeker has been putting in.
Are Seeker's threads a bit cluttered? Yeah, maybe. Are you a douche? Definitely, yes.
On January 13 2012 10:30 amazingoopah wrote: really, TLers can find anything to make a fuss about... give a TLer a billion dollars cash, he'll complain that the bills aren't crisp enough!
On January 13 2012 10:30 Leifish wrote: I love this thread! The LR threads of Seeker, MrCon, etc. are unbelievably cluttered with these ridiculous themes that have little-to-nothing to do with the games themselves other than to provide a cartoonish atmosphere that makes it difficult to take the GSL seriously simply by its association with the content of said threads.
The formatting and presentation with this thread perfectly aligns with the professionalism the GSL exudes.
No one is paid by the GSL to format LR threads on Teamliquid. (neither is anyone paid by TL to do LR threads...)
You want a nicely presented thread, you do it on your own. Reserve the thread a day or two before and make sure you can update it on the day itself. Otherwise don't expect anything.
On January 13 2012 10:30 Leifish wrote: I love this thread! The LR threads of Seeker, MrCon, etc. are unbelievably cluttered with these ridiculous themes that have little-to-nothing to do with the games themselves other than to provide a cartoonish atmosphere that makes it difficult to take the GSL seriously simply by its association with the content of said threads.
The formatting and presentation with this thread perfectly aligns with the professionalism the GSL exudes.
This is a prime example of someone who has never watched a GSL cast. Tastosis have a large amount of professionalism but they do also crack nerdy jokes throughout the cast. The GSL is not some stiff-necked company dude
On January 13 2012 10:30 Leifish wrote: I love this thread! The LR threads of Seeker, MrCon, etc. are unbelievably cluttered with these ridiculous themes that have little-to-nothing to do with the games themselves other than to provide a cartoonish atmosphere that makes it difficult to take the GSL seriously simply by its association with the content of said threads.
The formatting and presentation with this thread perfectly aligns with the professionalism the GSL exudes.
This is a prime example of someone who has never watched a GSL cast. Tastosis have a large amount of professionalism but they do also crack nerdy jokes throughout the cast. The GSL is not some stiff-necked company dude
Actually I think things are changing with the GSL. It looks to me like GOM are trying to up the professionalism across the board, and it seems like Tastosis have changed thing a little bit this season to accommodate that.
On January 13 2012 10:50 Seeker wrote: You know what pisses me off the most right now?
He's not even coming into this thread to respond.
If I am ever called out or questioned I ALWAYS respond. If I make a thread, I have duty to my fellow peers to respond to them and to cater to their needs.
But this guy won't even do that.....
You should keep this to PM's. And its fueling the unneeded "drama".
Of course some people will like this thread better
OF COURSE some people will like Seeker's threads better
You can't please absolutely everyone
Though that doesn't mean improvement should not be sought; of course if there is room for improvement it should always be explored.
While I don't think suddenly creating this thread for all to see and discuss "which is better" is a good idea, I do think that the OP is nice and clean. Do I prefer it? No. But I do see how some people might, and Seeker should take that into consideration. I do think that this 'suggestion' should have been done in private first, before having it posted. Of course it is a free world and Seeker isn't the only person with the right to make LR threads. But he's the only one so far (along with the other contributors, fishuu, hassybaby, etc) that's been consistent in making the threads, updating results, and providing other bits of information (casters, tips for gom player, etc). OP even mentions that he won't be able to update this. It's not that easy making the threads and trying to please everyone (which as we can see is impossible). Likely there'll be a near even split between LR style preference... so which one should stay?
So yeah. I like the fun LR threads Seeker makes (minus balance whiners and trolls, which all LR threads will have =/ ) more than this one, but I do like the banner.
On January 13 2012 10:30 Leifish wrote: I love this thread! The LR threads of Seeker, MrCon, etc. are unbelievably cluttered with these ridiculous themes that have little-to-nothing to do with the games themselves other than to provide a cartoonish atmosphere that makes it difficult to take the GSL seriously simply by its association with the content of said threads.
The formatting and presentation with this thread perfectly aligns with the professionalism the GSL exudes.
This is a prime example of someone who has never watched a GSL cast. Tastosis have a large amount of professionalism but they do also crack nerdy jokes throughout the cast. The GSL is not some stiff-necked company dude
Actually I think things are changing with the GSL. It looks to me like GOM are trying to up the professionalism across the board, and it seems like Tastosis have changed thing a little bit this season to accommodate that.
Last cast I watched of them they asked which X-men Nestea and MVP were....
On January 13 2012 10:50 Seeker wrote: You know what pisses me off the most right now?
He's not even coming into this thread to respond.
If I am ever called out or questioned I ALWAYS respond. If I make a thread, I have duty to my fellow peers to respond to them and to cater to their needs.
Not saying I don't like clean looks, but I much prefer having some humor. Seeker does an awesome job at that <3
Edit: Essentially I think you should use something akin to the text banners for each section as the OP does. Their size and prominence does help organize. Other than that, keep making awesome LR threads.
And for people saying Seeker's threads are immature: are SC2 matches and LR threads that hardcore serious business to you that you expect complete stoicism? I mean, if you do, that's your prerogative. I'm just amazed that people feel that way. I mean, you're on a forum just simply discussing matches, it's not like you're at some gala event in suit and tie and scotch's on the rocks and monocles going "that was exemplary use of the Dark Templar by oGsInca." "Yes, yes, quite so good sir."
On January 13 2012 10:50 Seeker wrote: You know what pisses me off the most right now?
He's not even coming into this thread to respond.
If I am ever called out or questioned I ALWAYS respond. If I make a thread, I have duty to my fellow peers to respond to them and to cater to their needs.
But this guy won't even do that.....
You should keep this to PM's. And its fueling the unneeded "drama".
He didn't keep it to PMs. Why should I? If I'm gonna get called out like this (and don't even try to say he didn't call me out. He clearly did) I have the right to respond.
Now if it seems like I'm overreacting and being rash then fine, that is your opinion. In my opinion, he went about this the wrong way and did not even CONSIDER how I would feel
I think u take making LR threads too seriously mate, it's just some threads...
Just someone make a poll and decide what ' style ' is better. But imo ur LR threads are a bit too immature...
I can't believe you called out Seeker in your post... Extremely unprofessional, and undeserved. It's not his fault that you got banned because of your lack of post integrity and inability to address displeasure without coming off as an offensive poster. He is a veteran of this forum and deserves better than that, had you approached the matter with more courtesy I might have paid attention to it, as it stands I will not, I'll be refreshing Seeker's thread.
"Let's see you do better" is an overused and misused line of logic on these forums, but in this situation it actually applies. Seeker does not own the rights to SC2 LR. Nobody appointed him to do what he does and nothing is stopping anyone else from making your own LR thread. For those of you who are dissatisfied with Seeker's OP, why don't you do something about it instead of sitting around complaining? Hell, you could copy this thread's OP and use it for the real LR thread. Maybe staying up late at night/early morning 4 days a week will give you guys some appreciation for the work that goes into making and updating these things.
Okay so I looked at the two LR threads side by side. The differences are:
1. Seeker has a little more stuff: the adorable pic of the contributors by fishuu, and I think they deserve to have that on the LR thread; a pic of Tastosis, so people know who'll be casting; and the little bit about GOM Player lagging and how to fix it 2. This LR has nicer banners for sub sections (results, polls, etc) 3. Holy shit that's about it.
All the additional, 'unnecessary' content is spoilered: kpop (which I hate) and LR theme. They are spoilered so you don't have to look at them. Seriously does it make it any more cluttered to have 2 more spoiler sections that you don't have to open?
Reading threads like this is so frustrating. Please go read the OP's first post in this thread (not the LR post, the one directly under it) before posting : (
I think the first step here is to look at how much dedication Seeker puts in.
The guys that do LR threads every day aren't necessarily the ones with Photoshop skillz (see my banner for Arena of Legends Group 1).
If someone were to make graphics for Seeker, I don't see him saying "no kthx bye" but at the same time, I know Seeker doesn't have the time to make his own graphics. I certainly don't have time to make my own, and I send thousands of thanks to shiroiusagi every time she does mine for me.
I'm usually not amused by DBZ/Pokemon references or kpop stuff in the LR threads, but that doesn't bother me too much. For me, this layout is cleaner, so I do like it.
However, the big thing that does piss me off about Seeker's threads are the uselessness of the polls. Most useful poll would probably be something like dividing into two polls for "good play" versus "watch this game because something interesting happened"
Game 1 - Combat-Ex vs Chill
Quality of Play (these choices should be pretty much constant) A) Brilliant B) Solid B) Someone Messed up too much C) Bad All Around
Amusement Factor (you can make up whatever here) A) Woah! Cool Beans. B) Boring C) ROFLWHATTHEIDONTEVENKNOW D) Artosis has something stuck in his hair the whole cast
Also, Seeker, you're overreacting. Only you can prevent forest fires e-sports drama.
On January 13 2012 10:50 Seeker wrote: You know what pisses me off the most right now?
He's not even coming into this thread to respond.
If I am ever called out or questioned I ALWAYS respond. If I make a thread, I have duty to my fellow peers to respond to them and to cater to their needs.
But this guy won't even do that.....
It's 3:13am in his time zone... he might have just posted and gone to sleep. and I suppose in his previous post (that he got temp banned for) you guys did challenge him to try and make a better one. Which he accepted, I guess?
On January 13 2012 11:12 Typhon wrote: I'm usually not amused by DBZ/Pokemon references or kpop stuff in the LR threads, but that doesn't bother me too much. For me, this layout is cleaner, so I do like it.
However, the big thing that does piss me off about Seeker's threads are the uselessness of the polls. Most useful poll would probably be something like dividing into two polls for "good play" versus "watch this game because something interesting happened"
Game 1 - Combat-Ex vs Chill
Quality of Play (these choices should be pretty much constant) A) Brilliant B) Solid B) Someone Messed up too much C) Bad All Around
Amusement Factor (you can make up whatever here) A) Woah! Cool Beans. B) Boring C) ROFLWHATTHEIDONTEVENKNOW D) Artosis has something stuck in his hair the whole cast
Also, Seeker, you're overreacting. Only you can prevent forest fires e-sports drama.
On January 13 2012 10:50 Seeker wrote: You know what pisses me off the most right now?
He's not even coming into this thread to respond.
If I am ever called out or questioned I ALWAYS respond. If I make a thread, I have duty to my fellow peers to respond to them and to cater to their needs.
But this guy won't even do that.....
FYI Kid got banned for criticizing your LR threads -- says so in his post right under the OP. Being banned from TL can be pretty depressing and lead to soul searching as to how to be a model member of this site in the future.
Best guess? He's not attacking you personally, he just thought he would constructively respond to being unbanned by proposing a new look for the LR threads.
Pretty sure he even says you can use it, update it, etc... doesn't sound too much like a personal attack.
But wouldn't anyone be angry and want to respond if they put in a lot of effort and work for something, only to have some guy come out of nowhere, make a complaint, not even come up front about it, and blatantly throw a thread in your face?
There you go. He did an example. Except he doesn't have the schedule to make one for real. Thus the explanation in the first reply.
Here's what OP said again, in case it helps to re-read it:
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
But wouldn't anyone be angry and want to respond if they put in a lot of effort and work for something, only to have some guy come out of nowhere, make a complaint, not even come up front about it, and blatantly throw a thread in your face?
But wouldn't anyone be angry and want to respond if they put in a lot of effort and work for something, only to have some guy come out of nowhere, make a complaint, not even come up front about it, and blatantly throw a thread in your face?
There you go. He did an example. Except he doesn't have the schedule to make one for real. Thus the explanation in the first reply.
That's fine.
But don't put my name in there. Just be like "here you go, a thread I made."
DID I EVER ONCE?!!? say "oh btw, I made this thread to prove I can make it better than others."
No. I made a thread. Requested ppl give me feedback. Then I edited as I gained experience/learned/according to what ppl wanted.
This guy should've PMed me instead of throwing a thread in my face.
I'm sorry if I am overreacting. But I am angry right now. Very angry
While I do think the OP should have gone about this in a better way (by not creating the thread immediately if all he wants is to suggest improvements), you should try not to be too angry, Seeker. Everyone loves you for what you guys do even though some might not like the style. Don't let one thread upset you, and instead see it as a challenge to CRUSH ALL PRETENDERS TO THE LR KING THRONE? Yehess, exactly.
Anyway is everyone really missing the fact the the only real difference is the snazzy banners?
Sorry Seeker, I ninja-edited. See my previous post again. OP was not "making this thread to prove I can make it better than others." By "explanation in first reply" I mean he was asking if people could help you guys out with graphics and stuff.
To be honest, if someone make a complainment he get very harsh answers. Most time it feels like your "gang", the ones from the picture are a bit too sensible about critic.
Here is his post he was banned for and the instant answers of you:
On December 31 2011 21:01 Odoakar wrote: Why are SC2 LR op still so lame compared to BW ones?
If you want to create a better one, by all means. Otherwise, don't go around saying shit like that
I don't know. Why don't you make one that rivals those great LR threads? Or do you prefer complaining on the sidelines?
I'll be free to do stats, but odds are I'll be asleep :D Problem is, there's no information about the maps or anything....guess I'll have to just get up early to do the rest of it
Either you do better or you shut up ?
You should really grow up. If you don't like the thread, get out.
He was unfair in both his post then and now, but partly I can understand his frustration. Everybody respects the work you put into this, but like I said, for me you seem be a bit touchy.
Edit: Ofc he should have made the template and post it as a possible LR thread without calling you out and give it this title. But in his OP he said also you do a good work.
On January 13 2012 11:25 Typhon wrote: Sorry Seeker, I ninja-edited. See my previous post again. OP was not "making this thread to prove I can make it better than others." By "explanation in first reply" I mean he was asking if people could help you guys out with graphics and stuff.
Understood.
I know I'm overreacting.
I'm gonna calm down and stop posting so aggressively.
Odoakar:
I appreciate what you've done here. You want the best for SC2 and you created a thread so that ppl could see what a organized/clean thread could look like.
But what I just didn't appreciate was that you made this thread. Other ppl are going to interpret it differently than you and exactly that just happened. Now I have ppl confessing how much they dislike my thread and whatnot. Please know that if you have a complaint, you can always just PM me. I'm not an unfair guy. Ask anyone. Anyone who has ever PMed me or commented about me, I responded fully and clearly and honestly.
I think I pushed this way out of hand I apologize.
Looks clean, even though I can't see any pictures because tinypic is blocked in China. Please use Imgur, ie default Upload Image in TL comments.
But this is a nice template, although I'm not that bothered, Seeker's were fine. BW-esque banners are much appreciated though, <3 those. Hopefully there are enough photoshoots of SC2 progamers floating around
On January 13 2012 11:17 FXOpen wrote: Oh cmon... Its too early in the morning for this (tries to open up eyes)...
GO GUMIHO!
Maybe you should write a blog about it... jk jk
ALSO at some point this thread is going to be closed. I mean the OP already stated he can't update it, and leaving it up while a real LR is running would be confusing and unnecessary.
In terms of comparisons between the LR threads, I like this one better since it's easier to navigate (the results, recommended polls, etc) have headers and easier to find.
As for the other things (like DBZ, etc), I personally don't care whether they are there or not. However, I do find some of the SC2 art pretty amusing and would like it to stay.
Personally, the most impt thing about a LR thread is that it's updated.
On January 13 2012 11:17 FXOpen wrote: Oh cmon... Its too early in the morning for this (tries to open up eyes)...
GO GUMIHO!
Maybe you should write a blog about it... jk jk
ALSO at some point this thread is going to be closed. I mean the OP already stated he can't update it, and leaving it up while a real LR is running would be confusing and unnecessary.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
why the fuck did you make it in the first place?
don't make an LR thread if you can't update it.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote:
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
whoa... he explained why he made the thread in his opening post; it wasn't to be an actual LR but as an example. i think it sounds fair enough, especially as he said so; and he was happy to have this closed or himself flamed, even.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
whoa... he explained why he made the thread in his opening post; it wasn't to be an actual LR but as an example. i think it sounds fair enough, especially as he said so; and he was happy to have this closed or himself flamed, even.
Sounds like he didn't read it clearly just commented harshly to odoakar. He just wanted to show what he could do and keep the LR's new and fresh.
I'll be honest. I liked Seeker's LR better. It had more flare and passion. This OP looks like plain jane and looks kind of depressing.
I really hope Seeker comes back as the prime LR OP. He's much more responsive to fans and posters, and he had worked his ass off to bring everyone content for the last two months or so.
What really should have happened, was the OP should have PMed seeker to ask if he could do one LR. Kind of stealing someone's position without notice is very rude.
I know it's kind of an unofficial position, but seeker's been the only one doing it for so long. This post takes him for granted. I don't like it.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
whoa... he explained why he made the thread in his opening post; it wasn't to be an actual LR but as an example. i think it sounds fair enough, especially as he said so; and he was happy to have this closed or himself flamed, even.
sorry I'm just pissed of at all these people.
he could have just PM'd seeker and asked him to use his banner and section headers like I do when I make banners and I don't have time to host/update the thread.
I'm sure seeker wouldn't be against using banners of other people.
On January 13 2012 11:50 neoghaleon55 wrote: I'll be honest. I liked Seeker's LR better. It had more flare and passion. This OP looks like plain jane and looks kind of depressing.
I really hope Seeker comes back as the prime LR OP. He's much more responsive to fans and posters, and he had worked his ass off to bring everyone content for the last two months or so.
What really should have happened, was the OP should have PMed seeker to ask if he could do one LR. Kind of stealing someone's position without notice is very rude.
I know it's kind of an unofficial position, but seeker's been the only one doing it for so long. This post takes him for granted. I don't like it.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
So after you get banned for expressing your dislike for Seeker's LR threads you go and hijack the thread and make it your own before anyone has a chance to say otherwise. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially since you can't even update it since you work. Yes I know others can share your account and update it for you but if you make the thread you update it imo.
If you made this thread so tell Seeker how you really feel about it why not just PM him about it politely and ask.
Honestly, I really like how this new format looks. I also had some difficulty navigating through the previous live threads at first, obviously I got used to them after some point but the layout really was annoying.
Despite this, I think OP could have been a bit more civil by contacting Seeker with his ideas rather than all this commotion, it was kind of a dick move. I would however enjoy it if threads looked more like this. It's neat and tidy.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
So after you get banned for expressing your dislike for Seeker's LR threads you go and hijack the thread and make it your own before anyone has a chance to say otherwise. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially since you can't even update it since you work. Yes I know others can share your account and update it for you but if you make the thread you update it imo.
If you made this thread so tell Seeker how you really feel about it why not just PM him about it politely and ask.
Did you even READ what you quoted? He made the thread for the purpose of being an example of what he feels an LR should look like, not for it to be the actual LR for the event. Hence why it is done so far in advance, so that it can be discussed and then re-made by someone who CAN update it closer to the date.
Read this paragraph in particular from what you quoted:
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
I also PMed him to let him know how I felt. I also said in that PM that I appreciate what he did and even though this thread caused a lot of controversy, I know he did it with good intent.
I want this to drop.
I agree with Typhon. I can prevent this from becoming a big drama, and I am going to do just that.
Wow, this thread has generated its fair share of drama already.
I think both members make decent LR threads that enjoy community support (I personally like odoakar's better, but that is a personal preference). But I think we can all agree that if we did not compare the LR threads to one another, we can all generally agree that both LR threads are pretty well done, perhaps not perfect, but nevertheless well done, considering that Seeker and Odoakar do not receive any compensation for their efforts.
That being said,I would hope that the community at least give Odoakar a chance, or try out the new format for a while, and guage reactions.
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
So after you get banned for expressing your dislike for Seeker's LR threads you go and hijack the thread and make it your own before anyone has a chance to say otherwise. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially since you can't even update it since you work. Yes I know others can share your account and update it for you but if you make the thread you update it imo.
If you made this thread so tell Seeker how you really feel about it why not just PM him about it politely and ask.
Did you even READ what you quoted? He made the thread for the purpose of being an example of what he feels an LR should look like, not for it to be the actual LR for the event. Hence why it is done so far in advance, so that it can be discussed and then re-made by someone who CAN update it closer to the date.
Read this paragraph in particular from what you quoted:
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
You need to calm down a little.
I did read it but he went about it in a completely wrong way. Make a thread with a poll specifically asking whether or not people prefer his LR to Seekers. He even asked in another thread with examples and people all said they like Seeker's better. The way he named the thread he was making the LR for this GRP, especially since the LR was the major point of the thread not his second reply explaining why.
He brought it into the public and the public is going to express their opinions. Should've kept it in PMs and not bring public into it hoping that they will prefer him over Seeker, as this is all what I see it as, him trying to overthrow.
I did read it but he went about it in a completely wrong way. Make a thread with a poll specifically asking whether or not people prefer his LR to Seekers. He even asked in another thread with examples and people all said they like Seeker's better. The way he named the thread he was making the LR for this GRP, especially since the LR was the major point of the thread not his second reply explaining why.
I agree with this. The Opening Post had nothing about polling the community. There was no context until the second post. Making a topic and replying to yourself is very misleading to everyone. Everyone will read the OP but is not guaranteed to read subsequent posts. Regardless of what the original intent is, the OP just came off as a bit of a jackass.
On January 13 2012 12:00 Tektos wrote: Don't get so angry, he posted it because he wanted other people's opinions not as an attempt to insult Seeker.
PMing it to Seeker leaves no option for feedback and public opinion.
Fucking drama queens.
On January 13 2012 11:59 Zooper31 wrote:
On January 13 2012 07:35 Odoakar wrote: "So, what's this about? This is not Seeker! GSL Group E is on Monday, and today is Thursday!"
So...I got banned because I expressed my dislike towards current SC2 LR threads look, and my fondness of BW LR threads design and look. I admit, the post was formulated in a extremely trollish way, and I deserved my ban.
But I still stand by the fact that SC2 LR threads are miles behind BW ones. And yes, I understand that BW is less frequent so people have time to set up all those fancy threads. I really appreciate Seeker's and all of the others efforts and contribution to LR SC2 games, but I feel that the the LR threads just keep growing with useless text, bad formating, bad design and so on, which just doesn't look good, at least to me, and makes it a bit less exciting to open the new GSL LR thread for the first time.
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
The thread is clean, pleasing to the eye, and all the neccessary info is easily seen, which I think is not the case with the current SC2 LR threads.
Unfortunately, I work in mornings when GSL is on, so I won't be able to update this thread. I will leave to Seeker and others to see if any of this is good and whether they should change their approach to design of LR threads. After they set up a new LR thread for this group, this one can be locked/deleted.
And if anything, I have now realised how quickly working with spoilers and TLPD links turns into a nightmare. I have some experience with Photoshop, so even though I can't LR, I might be willing to help with designing some of the banners, if needed.
So after you get banned for expressing your dislike for Seeker's LR threads you go and hijack the thread and make it your own before anyone has a chance to say otherwise. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially since you can't even update it since you work. Yes I know others can share your account and update it for you but if you make the thread you update it imo.
If you made this thread so tell Seeker how you really feel about it why not just PM him about it politely and ask.
Did you even READ what you quoted? He made the thread for the purpose of being an example of what he feels an LR should look like, not for it to be the actual LR for the event. Hence why it is done so far in advance, so that it can be discussed and then re-made by someone who CAN update it closer to the date.
Read this paragraph in particular from what you quoted:
So I've set up this thread to show a proposal of how LR might look like. Some of you might hate it, but that's not the point. The point is to encourage people with some Photoshop skills and willingness to enhance SC2 LR threads that Seeker and Co keep so delightfully updated with results and LRs to help them out.
You need to calm down a little.
I did read it but he went about it in a completely wrong way. Make a thread with a poll specifically asking whether or not people prefer his LR to Seekers. He even asked in another thread with examples and people all said they like Seeker's better. The way he named the thread he was making the LR for this GRP, especially since the LR was the major point of the thread not his second reply explaining why.
He brought it into the public and the public is going to express their opinions. Should've kept it in PMs and not bring public into it hoping that they will prefer him over Seeker, as this is all what I see it as, him trying to overthrow.
How is it him trying to overthrow Seeker at all? He VERY CLEARLY stated that he would not be able to update the LR and hence this was just a proposal for how it should look, and encouraged people with photoshop skills to help out Seeker and other LR creators in creating professional and visually stunning Live Report threads. Nowhere did he ever say that he wanted this to be the official LR for the event...
You still don't seem to have comprehended what the OP wrote even though you've said you read it.
I did read it but he went about it in a completely wrong way. Make a thread with a poll specifically asking whether or not people prefer his LR to Seekers. He even asked in another thread with examples and people all said they like Seeker's better. The way he named the thread he was making the LR for this GRP, especially since the LR was the major point of the thread not his second reply explaining why.
I agree with this. The Opening Post had nothing about polling the community. There was no context until the second post. Making a topic and replying to yourself is very misleading to everyone. Everyone will read the OP but is not guaranteed to read subsequent posts. Regardless of what the original intent is, the OP just came off as a bit of a jackass.
This. Should've been an Poll, so simple compared to making these huge LR's. His context and explanation for this thread should've been the very first thing people read, not the small print at the bottom.
Said my say so I'm out. Time to watch my shows and do some laundry.
Why not wait until you can actually update the LR thread in the morning? You could do it on Monday when its a holiday (in some parts of the US atleast), or do it when you don't have to work in the mornings. If you want to show how much better a thread can be (and I don't even like seeker's threads I just like that he is passionate and honest about it) show how much better a thread can be.
Seeker seems to be ok with it (though obviously it hurt him a bit atleast) so its not all bad. But honestly why make a thread when you know you can't update.
people are getting mad at him because he made a thread about GSL lol bunch of cry babies holy smokes its just a thread not like he hacked teamliquids site
Ok maybe I missed some kind of dramas in previous LR thread, but what's the big deal? Seeker has his own LR thread, other people have their own styles. If one doesn't like it, make their own one, tell other people and post it before other people do it. What's the deal?
On January 13 2012 12:41 naux wrote: people are getting mad at him because he made a thread about GSL lol bunch of cry babies holy smokes its just a thread not like he hacked teamliquids site
On January 13 2012 12:49 tdt wrote: Dicks should be banned. Last I checked anyone can make a LR thread and OP took the effort. Shitting all over it is a dick move.
Sounded like to me Seeker appreciated the break.
You didn't read the entire thread through, I think.
On January 13 2012 12:49 tdt wrote: Dicks should be banned. Last I checked anyone can make a LR thread and OP took the effort. Shitting all over it is a dick move.
Sounded like to me Seeker appreciated the break.
You didn't read the entire thread through, I think.
(Vote): <3 Seekers LR (Vote): <3 Odoakars LR (Vote): Indifferent (Vote): Share the love
Lol....
Guys. I like what Odoakar has done. He even told me that I can use it
WHICH I WILL!!!
I have for a while noticed the cluster fuck in my threads. And this Monday, for Code S Day 5, I will update my OP to a better standard. To a standard of that of a LR thread.
On January 13 2012 12:49 tdt wrote: Dicks should be banned. Last I checked anyone can make a LR thread and OP took the effort. Shitting all over it is a dick move.
Sounded like to me Seeker appreciated the break.
You didn't read the entire thread through, I think.
(Vote): <3 Seekers LR (Vote): <3 Odoakars LR (Vote): Indifferent (Vote): Share the love
Lol....
Guys. I like what Odoakar has done. He even told me that I can use it
WHICH I WILL!!!
I have for a while noticed the cluster fuck in my threads. And this Monday, for Code S Day 5, I will update my OP to a better standard. To a standard of that of a LR thread.
Please don't turn this into a battle. Please
CASE CLOSED so can everyone please just drop the issue? Seeker (after some initial rage :p) is being very diplomatic and humble about this (<3), and will continue to try to give everyone the best LR possible. I welcome the cool new banners/headers along with the fun and lively personality of the LR threads.
On January 13 2012 12:49 tdt wrote: Dicks should be banned. Last I checked anyone can make a LR thread and OP took the effort. Shitting all over it is a dick move.
Sounded like to me Seeker appreciated the break.
You didn't read the entire thread through, I think.
On January 13 2012 12:41 naux wrote: people are getting mad at him because he made a thread about GSL lol bunch of cry babies holy smokes its just a thread not like he hacked teamliquids site
because OP lacks seeker's passion lol.
Hmmmm how? He made a thread because he wanted to change how the LR threads because in his opinion they weren't good enough.
On January 13 2012 12:41 naux wrote: people are getting mad at him because he made a thread about GSL lol bunch of cry babies holy smokes its just a thread not like he hacked teamliquids site
because OP lacks seeker's passion lol.
Hmmmm how? He made a thread because he wanted to change how the LR threads because in his opinion they weren't good enough.
If that's not passion... What is?
sarcasm doesn't fly on the internet and I will never learn that fact.
On January 13 2012 13:14 pdd wrote: Someone please close this thread already. OP himself said he won't be able to update it. And Seeker and him have talked. Win-win situation.
To be completely honest:
He has yet to reply to my PM or my comments here in the thread.
But I don't feel offended anymore nor do I feel angry.
I actually would VERY MUCH appreciate it if we could close this thread. I don't want anymore arguments on account of my idiocy
Lean on me... When you're not strong. And I'll be your friend.. I'll help you carry onnnnnnn... For... It won't be long.. Till I'm gonna need, somebody to leannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn on.
On January 13 2012 13:14 pdd wrote: Someone please close this thread already. OP himself said he won't be able to update it. And Seeker and him have talked. Win-win situation.
To be completely honest:
He has yet to reply to my PM or my comments here in the thread.
But I don't feel offended anymore nor do I feel angry.
I actually would VERY MUCH appreciate it if we could close this thread. I don't want anymore arguments on account of my idiocy
On January 13 2012 13:14 pdd wrote: Someone please close this thread already. OP himself said he won't be able to update it. And Seeker and him have talked. Win-win situation.
To be completely honest:
He has yet to reply to my PM or my comments here in the thread.
But I don't feel offended anymore nor do I feel angry.
I actually would VERY MUCH appreciate it if we could close this thread. I don't want anymore arguments on account of my idiocy
On January 13 2012 13:14 pdd wrote: Someone please close this thread already. OP himself said he won't be able to update it. And Seeker and him have talked. Win-win situation.
To be completely honest:
He has yet to reply to my PM or my comments here in the thread.
But I don't feel offended anymore nor do I feel angry.
I actually would VERY MUCH appreciate it if we could close this thread. I don't want anymore arguments on account of my idiocy
On January 13 2012 12:41 naux wrote: people are getting mad at him because he made a thread about GSL lol bunch of cry babies holy smokes its just a thread not like he hacked teamliquids site
because OP lacks seeker's passion lol.
Hmmmm how? He made a thread because he wanted to change how the LR threads because in his opinion they weren't good enough.
If that's not passion... What is?
sarcasm doesn't fly on the internet and I will never learn that fact.
Oh, that was sarcasm o_+ Whoops, but either way I like the OP and imo people flaming should get banned
On January 13 2012 13:21 FXOpen wrote: Lean on me... When you're not strong. And I'll be your friend.. I'll help you carry onnnnnnn... For... It won't be long.. Till I'm gonna need, somebody to leannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn on.
Even Mr Chae once said in an interview that a little bit of friendly competition (referring to Tournament organisers) is good because it raises the standards, ultimately making it a better experience for the viewers. If anyone has the video link to post that will be appreciated =]
On January 13 2012 13:14 pdd wrote: Someone please close this thread already. OP himself said he won't be able to update it. And Seeker and him have talked. Win-win situation.
To be completely honest:
He has yet to reply to my PM or my comments here in the thread.
But I don't feel offended anymore nor do I feel angry.
I actually would VERY MUCH appreciate it if we could close this thread. I don't want anymore arguments on account of my idiocy
On January 13 2012 13:14 pdd wrote: Someone please close this thread already. OP himself said he won't be able to update it. And Seeker and him have talked. Win-win situation.
To be completely honest:
He has yet to reply to my PM or my comments here in the thread.
But I don't feel offended anymore nor do I feel angry.
I actually would VERY MUCH appreciate it if we could close this thread. I don't want anymore arguments on account of my idiocy
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
Perhaps out of this something good will happen: AKA someone making a nice photoshopped banner personalized for each day or something for you You'd have to add another face to that picture though.
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
Perhaps out of this something good will happen: AKA someone making a nice photoshopped banner personalized for each day or something for you You'd have to add another face to that picture though.
That's fishuu's job not mine. :/
And yeah. Hopefully Odoakar is not mad about this whole situation. I would actually VERY much welcome a partnership between him and me
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
Perhaps out of this something good will happen: AKA someone making a nice photoshopped banner personalized for each day or something for you You'd have to add another face to that picture though.
That's fishuu's job not mine. :/
And yeah. Hopefully Odoakar is not mad about this whole situation. I would actually VERY much welcome a partnership between him and me
ha no, its just as much as your job as it is his, I learnt to photoshop because of LR threads brah.
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
Perhaps out of this something good will happen: AKA someone making a nice photoshopped banner personalized for each day or something for you You'd have to add another face to that picture though.
That's fishuu's job not mine. :/
And yeah. Hopefully Odoakar is not mad about this whole situation. I would actually VERY much welcome a partnership between him and me
ha no, its just as much as your job as it is his, I learnt to photoshop because of LR threads brah.
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
Perhaps out of this something good will happen: AKA someone making a nice photoshopped banner personalized for each day or something for you You'd have to add another face to that picture though.
That's fishuu's job not mine. :/
And yeah. Hopefully Odoakar is not mad about this whole situation. I would actually VERY much welcome a partnership between him and me
ha no, its just as much as your job as it is his, I learnt to photoshop because of LR threads brah.
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
Don't you dare apologise for your lovely threads have have kept so many of us entertained. Now apologise for apologising
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
Perhaps out of this something good will happen: AKA someone making a nice photoshopped banner personalized for each day or something for you You'd have to add another face to that picture though.
Well why not get everyone in the community involved and have a GSL BANNER CONTEST? Winners selected in a poll, and the winning banners get cycled throughout the season! That would be pretty sweet I think.
Haha, I do remember that comment that got you temp banned.
Props to stepping up and actually creating a LR thread of your own. It's really simple and clean, great job. Awesome banner, that's something we are really lacking in SC2 LR thread.
I'm sure there is a compromise that can easily include K-pop lists Putting the most relevant stuff at the top, maybe with any pictures other than banners below that and any themes or kpop spoilered below. If it is below I fail to see how anyone could possibly complain about it
All the "extra content" (kpop list, LR theme polls, etc) are already put at the bottom and spoilered...
Yah but maybe throw the Gom fix at the bottom along with the picture of the LR group. No need to spoiler either IMO but perhaps moving it down would make people less grumpy.
Just wait till Sat/Sun. I'll work on the thread to make it
BEAUTIFUL!
But for now, all I can say is: sorry for the cluster fuck in my other threads
Perhaps out of this something good will happen: AKA someone making a nice photoshopped banner personalized for each day or something for you You'd have to add another face to that picture though.
Well why not get everyone in the community involved and have a GSL BANNER CONTEST? Winners selected in a poll, and the winning banners get cycled throughout the season! That would be pretty sweet I think.
I like that idea but im sure there are 50 other people out there ready to call you an idiot for various reasons
i like the thread, so easy to see everything. the recent threads have so much clutter and go on about stuff i really dont care about, this is direct and to the point
On January 13 2012 10:50 Seeker wrote: You know what pisses me off the most right now?
He's not even coming into this thread to respond.
If I am ever called out or questioned I ALWAYS respond. If I make a thread, I have duty to my fellow peers to respond to them and to cater to their needs.
But this guy won't even do that.....
I sleep from 00:00-07:30. You know, people need to sleep. And now I need to go and do my 8 hours shift 'in the mines':|
So sorry for not replying, when I get the time I will. It saddens me that people think this thread was a personal attack against you.
I like having incentive to mess with photoshop, so I will certainly be willing to assist with creating banners or any other stuff, if I get time for that.
Also, I'm traveling for the weekend, so if I don't respond before Sunday night, don't go all crazy on me.
On January 13 2012 10:50 Seeker wrote: You know what pisses me off the most right now?
He's not even coming into this thread to respond.
If I am ever called out or questioned I ALWAYS respond. If I make a thread, I have duty to my fellow peers to respond to them and to cater to their needs.
But this guy won't even do that.....
I sleep from 00:00-07:30. You know, people need to sleep. And now I need to go and do my 8 hours shift 'in the mines':|
So sorry for not replying, when I get the time I will. It saddens me that people think this thread was a personal attack against you.
I like having incentive to mess with photoshop, so I will certainly be willing to assist with creating banners or any other stuff, if I get time for that.
Also, I'm traveling for the weekend, so if I don't respond before Sunday night, don't go all crazy on me.
I think it was the tone of what you wrote.. it just came off as condescending. It is likely better to have these discussions in private rather than in public too. If you read his other messages you will realize he got past his offended early thoughts and tried to see this thread for what you probably intended it for.
Hey, I'll drop a tidbit of feedback here. This opinion may not be consistent with your majority, but I'll let you decide how relevant it is.
First off, I prefer this style for 1 reason: I do not have access to a computer most of the time.
I usually watch GSL/check TL forums for GSL on my smartphone. This format works a whole lot better for my phone. Less graphics (some that do not load at all on my Galaxy S2) are better overall. The multitude of banners/pictures up top on the normal LR threads do not load very well.
On January 13 2012 10:50 Seeker wrote: You know what pisses me off the most right now?
He's not even coming into this thread to respond.
If I am ever called out or questioned I ALWAYS respond. If I make a thread, I have duty to my fellow peers to respond to them and to cater to their needs.
But this guy won't even do that.....
I sleep from 00:00-07:30. You know, people need to sleep. And now I need to go and do my 8 hours shift 'in the mines':|
So sorry for not replying, when I get the time I will. It saddens me that people think this thread was a personal attack against you.
I like having incentive to mess with photoshop, so I will certainly be willing to assist with creating banners or any other stuff, if I get time for that.
Also, I'm traveling for the weekend, so if I don't respond before Sunday night, don't go all crazy on me.
You should skip the first few pages and focus on the last few. You'll be pleased with how the thread developed (more or less)
My prediction: MMA: 4-1, advances to code S RO16! Gumiho: 4-3, advances to code S RO16! YuGiOh: 3-4, falls to code A RO32 :[ Zenio: 1-4, falls to code A RO48 T.T
I prefer Seeker's (kpop ftw) but this is still quite lovely. Its always good that there is a teency bit of competition within the LR community, it makes everyone better (as long as people aren't dicks about it).
My fourth night in a row watching GSL live at 4 AM : I love having a week off from everything
EDIT : Oh wait a fucking minute... It's not today ?!?! WTF GSL !! You are broadcasting every day of the week except for friday ? And why is this thread up three days in advance ?
Thanks a lot for this format. It's really pleasing to read. While all the fluff can be fun (but only if applied in moderation), it's a nice change to see the raw goods, front and center, without a bunch of...clutter. Well done.
edit: I guess I should clarify a bit: I primarily use iphone to view and post on TL threads, so the less shit there is cluttering up a thread, the smoother things load ;p
also.. damn, i really should mention how awesome it is to not have to click literally 5 or 6 sets of spoiler tags just to gather a tiny bit of info, lol
So this thread is a general topic about the LR threads? Cool, my opinion...
First of all I appreciate everyone who makes a LR thread because it's work especially when someone creates a new format. But even when you copy and paste you have to be online to update in time, create polls, find the LR summarys and other stuff! So, much <3 for everyone who is doing that.
I came to the LR threads when people like Probe1 and MrCon (<333) made the threads. They put in a lot of work and the threads looked cool imo. Nothing to special, just informations, all you need.
Seeker now puts in even more effort making themes, doing the LR himself and creating the threads every day (other people seemed to rotate more). Much love and many thanks to him! What a crazy guy! But I think he is doing it too professional or let me say: too serious! You read things like "THIS IS MY THREAD STOP WITH THIS XXX" or "I don't like when other people create a LR thread" (see his blog).
Do the LR threads if you want, if you like, if you have fun making them! Everyone loves you for that!! But please don't act like it's your job or it's YOUR thread! It's not! It's the thread for everyone who loves the GSL. That's why you got shit for your polls! You did YOUR thing even after a lot of criticism.
I hope you keep doing these crazy good threads but like JP has to hear often: If you don't do it somebody else will!
And I don't think the SC2 threads are worse than the BW ones. They are only not that fancy! But we don't need this because our game is fancy!
Well, i prefer this one, but this is just my opinion. The banner can be perfected but hey I'm not the one to complain. I like the simplicity of it. I never understood the kpop thing in seeker's threads (personal taste), but they were in spoilers so who cares.
Okey is it me or ppl complain about how "much more spam" seeker has? I mean..what? It takes me 5 sec to learn the information about who win and who did lose in each thread, what the actual fuck are people talking about?
i like this thread alot more actually. Sure there aint any GSL Themes or stuff like that.
But its clean. I can only speak for myself, but i sit at work and spend like 10-15min every hour checking the LR thread. I just want to find the info. So for me this is Perfect and Clean.
I understand what OP wanted to do when he made this thread. Wasn't a direct confrontation to Seeker. He wanted to show everybody a new layout so people could judge it. I don't think he was trying to "take Seekers place", since he said he wouldn't be able to update the thread often. I, personally, think the OP layout is way better than Seekers. And I guess Seeker is overreacting to what people said about his layout. There will always be people who don't like the stuff you make. A layout thing is about taste, it will never be a unanimous preference. No need to get angry because people never told you they had a problem with your layout. Just get over it. Like KiNGxXx said, man... it's not your job, it's not your thread. Just calm down. :\
I personally prefer this format. It's clean and contains the needed information without being in your face about it. Nothing against Seeker at all, I don't think Seeker should feel offended in the slightest, but it's definitely true that Seekers LR threads have an aspect of clusterfuckness to them.
It's like formating your computer. You added tons of awesome shit to it but eventually it become clumped. By clearing it out and looking at what you really need, you optimize.
On January 13 2012 09:00 Seeker wrote: Well I'm going to look at this thread as things for me to improve.
Now here's the thing. My first post I didn't express much emotion. But in this second one I will. I'm sorry if I come off rude but I have thing that need to be said. As of right now, I feel really offended. I also need some things answered:
For starters:
1) I had no idea we had ppl on TL who were discontent with my layout
2) If you guys had problems why didn't you guys tell me about it? You always tell me problems regarding polls and whatnot but not ONCE did I get ANY kind of msg telling me about layout issues
3) @OP If you had a problem with what I did, why didn't you PM me about it? This thread just feels like a personal attack on me. I feel embarrassed and ashamed now reading what ppl have been posting about me and my threads.
4) @OP If all you had were clean intentions that's fine. But this feels like you didn't give a damn about how I would have felt if I saw this thread.
5) I do realize my threads need clean up and I will work on it.
6) I apologize for my tone but honestly, when I'm being called out like this, I won't just stand by and let ppl say stuff about me
Personally I like your LR threads and think you do a great job. Could they be cleaner? Probably, but I am always at work when GSL happens and I use your thread to keep updated. I have never had a problem finding the results, the polls or the LR links, which are all I really need. Sometimes the pictures bit is amusing, sometimes I think it's just silly, but I don't really care when it's silly as long as I don't have to hunt too long for the stuff I'm looking for.
Don't get me wrong, OP: this thread layout would serve me just as well. However, Seeker, imho, is doing a great job of it and I feel that, as long as he's the one doing it, he's the one who gets to design the thread. He can't (ever) please everybody, but the most important thing is that Seeker is putting in a lot of effort to do it and he should keep it fun for himself. If something like this stops being fun, you stop doing it and then we'll be stuck without a LR thread. If adding in funny pictures of the casters keeps it amusing for Seeker I am all for it. Especially as it's all of 1/2 a second work to scroll past it to the informative part of the thread.
@Seeker u are taking this way too personal. U make an amazing job, the style of a topic , its just kind of taste , and man keep beeing as u are. Btw , I thought the GSL would take place today, what happened?
One thing I really don't like is the fact that there are a group of people who feel they have. . .ownership of LR threads. This is simply not the case. LR threads are part of TL and have been around long before most of us have posted here. Still, I have a lot of appreciation for people who put in effort on these things.
By the way, on the maps list for GSL (at least in the current format) it should be TBD, not TBA. There's a difference between a map not having been announced - i.e. set map list but the tournament organiser hasn't released it to the public - and a map not having been decided - i.e. it's chosen by a player on the day.
Yes, a tad pedantic, but I thought I might as well just throw it out there for this thread.
I too prefer the layout now that i'm retiring from GSL viewing. The threads were becoming a parody of themselves. You could say they jumped the shark. Less is more.
woah woah chill there seeker, i think you prob need sometimes out in the air to calm down first. I'm pretty sure everyone here (including OP) appreciate what you have done but pls don't take LR threads too seriously, after all they are only forum threads, looking forward to your next one if you decide to make one.
On January 13 2012 20:41 brachester wrote: woah woah chill there seeker, i think you prob need sometimes out in the air to calm down first. I'm pretty sure everyone here (including OP) appreciate what you have done but pls don't take LR threads too seriously, after all they are only forum threads, looking forward to your next one if you decide to make one.
He's already calmed down, apologized for being angry and responded properly. They've taken the matter to PMs, and have agreed to collaborate (I think). Please read the whole thread. No need to make a fuss about it anymore.
I hope Zenio gets through, it's a pretty tough group but I expect his ZvZ to win vs YuGiOh and beating GuMiho in a Bo3. Nobody can deny MMA though, easily top 5 player in the world right now and his ZvT and TvT are just mind-blowing.
On January 13 2012 20:59 WArped wrote: I hope Zenio gets through, it's a pretty tough group but I expect his ZvZ to win vs YuGiOh and beating GuMiho in a Bo3. Nobody can deny MMA though, easily top 5 player in the world right now and his ZvT and TvT are just mind-blowing.
problem with MMA is, that he usually performs his best against other top players, while messing around against lesser famous ones.
and since Bomber already failed yesterday, I wouldnt be too sure anyways, sometimes Code S(kill) turns out to be a bit of Code R(andom)
On January 13 2012 20:41 brachester wrote: woah woah chill there seeker, i think you prob need sometimes out in the air to calm down first. I'm pretty sure everyone here (including OP) appreciate what you have done but pls don't take LR threads too seriously, after all they are only forum threads, looking forward to your next one if you decide to make one.
He's already calmed down, apologized for being angry and responded properly. They've taken the matter to PMs, and have agreed to collaborate (I think). Please read the whole thread. No need to make a fuss about it anymore.
well, sorry for not reading 12 pages of mostly useless posts :/
On January 13 2012 20:59 WArped wrote: I hope Zenio gets through, it's a pretty tough group but I expect his ZvZ to win vs YuGiOh and beating GuMiho in a Bo3. Nobody can deny MMA though, easily top 5 player in the world right now and his ZvT and TvT are just mind-blowing.
problem with MMA is, that he usually performs his best against other top players, while messing around against lesser famous ones.
and since Bomber already failed yesterday, I wouldnt be too sure anyways, sometimes Code S(kill) turns out to be a bit of Code R(andom)
Pinnaclesports punished me too often these days
I would put MMA on a different level to Bomber, in terms of confidence in Code S and right now in terms of skill. As far as I am aware since he gained his Code S spot he hasn't faltered and dropped to the Up and Downs once and always manages to get out of his groups with ease. That said, I think it's pretty safe to bet on him
On January 13 2012 09:51 HolyArrow wrote: I honestly think this is pretty silly. Seeker's threads are fine, and I don't see why people are putting up such a fuss about them. The guy works hard to make his threads good (by his own standards; maybe you disagree with those standards, but subjective aesthetics aside, his threads objectively cover everything that a LR thread needs to cover).
I realize that perhaps OP didn't mean to offend anyone, but I can't help but feel that it's a bit tactless to just make an entire LR thread as an example of how you think things should be done. Yeah, yeah, thin-skinned, easily offended, etc., but I can see how this is rather embarrassing to Seeker. You guys need to try empathizing a bit: He puts time and effort into LR threads, and, according to him, people seem fine with them (i.e not really many complaints), and then suddenly here's someone posting a LR thread like an indirect, passive-aggressive criticism instead of just PMing Seeker with suggestions. Creating this thread with the intent to criticize has the added consequence of people posting in here and everything becoming a big criticism-fest. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing inherently wrong with collective constructive criticism and I believe we should try to make everyone happy and compromise on how the LR threads look, but it's better that Seeker gets a chance to come forward and ask for suggestions (perhaps being prompted by several PMs) instead of some guy making a thread to just force it down his throat.
On January 13 2012 20:41 brachester wrote: woah woah chill there seeker, i think you prob need sometimes out in the air to calm down first. I'm pretty sure everyone here (including OP) appreciate what you have done but pls don't take LR threads too seriously, after all they are only forum threads, looking forward to your next one if you decide to make one.
He's already calmed down, apologized for being angry and responded properly. They've taken the matter to PMs, and have agreed to collaborate (I think). Please read the whole thread. No need to make a fuss about it anymore.
well, sorry for not reading 12 pages of mostly useless posts :/
I don't blame you, there were a lot of garbage posts :D
On January 13 2012 20:59 WArped wrote: I hope Zenio gets through, it's a pretty tough group but I expect his ZvZ to win vs YuGiOh and beating GuMiho in a Bo3. Nobody can deny MMA though, easily top 5 player in the world right now and his ZvT and TvT are just mind-blowing.
problem with MMA is, that he usually performs his best against other top players, while messing around against lesser famous ones.
and since Bomber already failed yesterday, I wouldnt be too sure anyways, sometimes Code S(kill) turns out to be a bit of Code R(andom)
Pinnaclesports punished me too often these days
I would put MMA on a different level to Bomber, in terms of confidence in Code S and right now in terms of skill. As far as I am aware since he gained his Code S spot he hasn't faltered and dropped to the Up and Downs once and always manages to get out of his groups with ease. That said, I think it's pretty safe to bet on him
yea I guess so. I might consider to give it a last try, even tho Ive lost 400 Euro this month (mainly because MVP lost to NesTea, for like the first time ever... and then well...the Bomber fail)
Gumihos weakest matchup is TvT, according to the stats.
MMA is doing pretty ok in that matchup, and with Boxer and GanZi as practice partners he should be a almost certain bet.
Then I would pretty much bet on MMA again, against whoever wins Game 2, because he just crushes through any Zerg that appears in his way.
I absolutely LOVE this layout! No disrespect to Seeker's threads but they tend to get really messy and hard to navigate through.
My biggest concern about LR threads however are if the OP is able to keep them updated throughout the event (this is not aimed personally at either Seeker or any other thread maker). The LR thread is the first thing I open when I occasionally miss the first few matches and I have been annoyed beyond belief when I see that the OP hasn't been updated at all. I know you can ask about results in the thread but I feel it tends to create a lot of unnecessary spam.
On January 13 2012 16:15 L3g3nd_ wrote: i like the thread, so easy to see everything. the recent threads have so much clutter and go on about stuff i really dont care about, this is direct and to the point
As long as the LR is good [Drazerk is there] then an LR thread0 is great, for me.
They are criticizing me for overreacting. Which is perfectly understandable as I DID overreact.
But:
Almost none of you are recognizing that:
1) I ADMITTED to making a mistake 2) I ADMITTED to overreacting 3) I APOLOGIZED thoroughly and I even PMed the OP myself 4) I openly told everyone that I was in the wrong and that I took back the harsh things I said.
I don't care if there are ppl out there who will point me out for my faults. BUT PLEASE! Realize I took responsibility for the things I said and my actions. I'm not a guy who thinks he's all that. I really don't want ppl thinking I would never apologize and act like an idiot without realizing the consequences of my actions
My thoughts: both are easy to navigate through (maybe one is better then another but its not that big) and this entire argument of one is better then another is completely pointless just go take turns or something.
Awesome LR thread, way more clean and simple. Like it way more.
Also another difference is it doesn't have the huge picture on the top glorifying the LR makers, you guys deserve thanks and all but a big picture isn't really needed every thread. It's not a special club
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