EPTIdrA > NesTea (could go either way)
MVP > IdrA
NesTea > Lucky
IdrA > NesTea again (could also go either way)
[GSL] 2012 Jan Code S RO32 D3 - Page 7
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Let's have a nice clean LR thread folks! Beware that moderation will probably be stricter than usual, balance whine, player bashing and trolling will not be tolerated! | ||
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GGPope
Australia367 Posts
IdrA > NesTea (could go either way) MVP > IdrA NesTea > Lucky IdrA > NesTea again (could also go either way) | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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soulist
United States932 Posts
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midftw
Canada170 Posts
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
I wouldn't bother judging by his korean TLPD with a ZvZ sample size of three games... I'm not saying he'll beat NesTea who even when he looked off form at MLG Invite / Providence still managed to beat out IdrA but he should edge out Lucky, probably to set up another match with NesTea which he should lose... | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:06 SidianTheBard wrote: True, but we've seen before that Idra can keep up with nestea in macro games and probably his biggest downfall is if it's all 1 base play, but even then Idra is very well at that, especially with korean ladder being full of 1 base play. Tbh, I could see NesTea finishing last in the group, with Lucky beating him as well. NesTea is still one of my favorite zergs to watch and root for, but it feels like he's just slowly falling behind. I don't understand this thinking. Sure Idra 'kept up' but he lost, and yet a lot of people seem to view this 2-1 loss as a victory for Idra, which it wasn't. So why do you then have this leap from a 2-1 loss to a 4-1 win, especially as Idra was on homesoil at MLG and we're now on Nestea's territory. | ||
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Dzerzhinsky
Scotland327 Posts
Idra 0-2 Nestea MVP 2-0 Nestea Idra 2-1 Lucky Nestea 2-0 Idra Idra just isn't Code S quality. I give him a win against Lucky because I hear Lucky has poor ZvZ. Calling it. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:12 mvtaylor wrote: IdrA's ZvZ is his highest win rate in any match up on TLPD international... I wouldn't bother judging by his korean TLPD with a ZvZ sample size of three games... His last wins were about Lalush, Orly (x2), Sheth, Kelevra, Forsen and Haypro. Those aren't really useful evidence for suggesting whether or not he'll beat Nestea or Lucky. Who are several leagues ahead of those players. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:15 Seraphone wrote: I don't understand this thinking. Sure Idra 'kept up' but he lost, and yet a lot of people seem to view this 2-1 loss as a victory for Idra, which it wasn't. So why do you then have this leap from a 2-1 loss to a 4-1 win, especially as Idra was on homesoil at MLG and we're now on Nestea's territory. ok i really dont get the homesoil argument -.- I guess what he may be alluding to is the fact that IdrA, had he been more decisive and capitalized on his lead instead of giving it away (iirc to some fungals?) would have won. Now, him in a Kr practice environment, should do better | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:18 CeriseCherries wrote: ok i really dont get the homesoil argument -.- I guess what he may be alluding to is the fact that IdrA, had he been more decisive and capitalized on his lead instead of giving it away (iirc to some fungals?) would have won. Now, him in a Kr practice environment, should do better The game Idra won was a close game too, Nestea could easilly have won that game and just 2-0'd him. There is a massive amount of evidence to suggest foreigners doing better in foreign tournaments and Koreans better in Korean tournaments. Home advantage exists in Sc2 for sure. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:18 Seraphone wrote: His last wins were about Lalush, Orly (x2), Sheth, Kelevra, Forsen and Haypro. Those aren't really useful evidence for suggesting whether or not he'll beat Nestea or Lucky. Who are several leagues ahead of those players. See my edit, but also, where else are you going to take the stats from... check out his last wins against P or T players... you have to get those wins from somewhere against some players, IdrA isn't the one to fault that "lesser" than Code S players participate in events he attends... Also, he only has to go 2-3 against NesTea in the right order to advance... 0-2 (beat Lucky, NesTea loses to MVP) 2-1 If he can take one game out of three off NesTea then two out of five "in the right order" isn't out of the question. For what it's worth I don't have IdrA winning the best of 3 or advancing in my liquibets. I'm just saying it's not out of the realms of probability especially since IdrA will have been studying against probably only NesTea and works fairly hard where as NesTea was out drinking before his ro16 last GSL and also bombed out of Blizzard Cup | ||
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Juvant
United States723 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:20 Seraphone wrote: The game Idra won was a close game too, Nestea could easilly have won that game and just 2-0'd him. There is a massive amount of evidence to suggest foreigners doing better in foreign tournaments and Koreans better in Korean tournaments. Home advantage exists in Sc2 for sure. To be fair, Idra both games he lost won, and threw them. :/ But you can't give Professor Tea time to prepare for someone and expect him to lose (unless it's MVP or MMA). Nestea and MVP advance. Edit; retarded spelling | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:20 Seraphone wrote: there is, but idra has been in the slayers house for quite some time nowThe game Idra won was a close game too, Nestea could easilly have won that game and just 2-0'd him. There is a massive amount of evidence to suggest foreigners doing better in foreign tournaments and Koreans better in Korean tournaments. Home advantage exists in Sc2 for sure. it's a combination of jet lag and being away from practice partners. but EG had the good sense to send the team in well in advance, instead of show up the day before as guys like morrow and thorzain did | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
Yea. LOLs, I've done that for a bunch of LR threads he's played in and I intend to make that a tradition (not that anyone cares, LOLs) =D In all seriousness, I'm a huge fan of Lucky, it's a pity that the guy has to go against MVP and potentially Nestea. I feel like the guy is steadily improving since I first saw him get stomped by jjakji and Sage; each time in Code A, making it a tiny bit further. But wow. I expected him to get stomped by MMA though so.... I don't know what to say other than maybe he can see something none of us see and prepare a BO for MVP like he did against MMA and like MMA did against MVP. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:20 Seraphone wrote: The game Idra won was a close game too, Nestea could easilly have won that game and just 2-0'd him. There is a massive amount of evidence to suggest foreigners doing better in foreign tournaments and Koreans better in Korean tournaments. Home advantage exists in Sc2 for sure. People don't really appreciate the home advantage you get these days. Hell, just look at naniwa at providence vs at blizzard cup. Like two different people. It's not just about the location, it's an environment, a tournament setup, everything that is familiar is an advantage and is unknown is a disadvantage. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:26 mvtaylor wrote: See my edit, but also, where else are you going to take the stats from... check out his last wins against P or T players... you have to get those wins from somewhere against some players, IdrA isn't the one to fault that "lesser" than Code S players participate in events he attends... Also, he only has to go 2-3 against NesTea in the right order to advance... 0-2 (beat Lucky, NesTea loses to MVP) 2-1 If he can take one game out of three off NesTea then two out of five "in the right order" isn't out of the question. They only real relevant evidence you have for how Idra will do is that he lost 2-1 to Nestea and 2-0 to Leenock. Which is basically the only Code S level ZvZ's he played since Zenio in NASL Season 1. Obviously that's pretty small evidence and doesn't really prove much either way. Alternatively Nestea has an 89% win ratio in ZvZ against Korean players making it the strongest matchup of anyone in Sc2. Sure he lost a Bo1 to Leenock and lost a Bo3 to Haypro at Providence but he also beat Idra, Slush, TLO, Catz, Machine, Vibe at MLG and Sheth at Blizzcon. We all know ZvZ is coinflippy so you're going to lose eventually. The fact Nestea has such an insane win rate in what most people consider a heavily luck based matchup is insane. Idra could win, just as Lucky could win, but there's no evidence to suggest it's likely and if you're betting then all the smart money is going on Nestea/MVP. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:31 Zanno wrote: there is, but idra has been in the slayers house for quite some time now it's a combination of jet lag and being away from practice partners. but EG had the good sense to send the team in well in advance, instead of show up the day before as guys like morrow and thorzain did Sase, Jinro, Ret, Haypro, Stephano and Naniwa all spent plenty of time in Korea before their games and it didn't really help them much. Perhaps pro player could better explain why foreigners play so much better outside of Korea but the mass of evidence is undeniable. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37123 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:33 Yonnua wrote: Judging by what happened with group B... Lucky 2-0 LOL! Lucky! Channel your inner SuperNoVa!!! | ||
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