EPTMC has really been back on top of his game these past few weeks, glad to see the Boss Toss in RO16 again
[GSL] 2012 Jan Code S RO32 D2 - Page 193
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
MC has really been back on top of his game these past few weeks, glad to see the Boss Toss in RO16 again | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 02:14 PureBalls wrote: I find it funny, how people cant wait for MC to slip, so they can say how he was never really good, and how he only knows how to all in all the time, and that the unproven protoss player XY is the new boss. I laugh every time MC proves them wrong. I couldnt agree with you more. Oz, or any other toss (sorry Hero!), is no match for MC. Boss so good! other toss players you mentioned here can potentionally challenge Mc. But right now, let us just do not joke. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 02:28 babylon wrote: I mean post-last GSL.  He's been underperforming given what people are expecting of him (in AoL, for instance, coming last in his group, here he just got bounced to Code A again). I feel like he underperformed in some other showing too, but I can't remember clearly.  I ... don't know what you're responding to here? Objectively looking at it, Oz does have waaaaaaaaaaaay less exposure and doesn't get invited to places like HSC/IEM, while MC does. In fact, Oz just plain doesn't get invited most of the time; FXO has to send him. While Oz had bad results at Anaheim (lost to Rain and wbc), with Koreans in the OB at the later MLGs like Providence (where he lost to Leenock who eventually won the whole thing, then Keen), the OB is, IMO, much, much harder to go through if you want to place high. And he lost to Keen 2-3 in BenQ, and Keen's freaking good, man. I think being seeded into groups is actually much more of an advantage than having to play through the OB at the Korean-filled MLGs, where if you make one mistake (think Polt getting knocked out) or run into two good Koreans in the OB, you're dead. Oz could be really good -- I dunno how good, and I personally don't think he'll make it out of his group this GSL -- but we just don't see enough of him to really judge. He could also just be a shitty endurance player (like NesTea for instance). We can't know for sure. To be fair, if Mc did not do that well in gsl, he would not have that many chances to compete outside of Korea. So fairly Oz needs to do well in Korea first. And I do not know about Oz, but I am pretty sure Mc can advance from Oz's group if he is in that group. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:12 mrtomjones wrote: Yah... because a group with MVP/Nestea/Idra or MMA would have been so much easier to get out of. He didn't get shafted. Every group is quite tough and he simply lost. my sentiments exactly.. code S isnt exactly a joke anymore.. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 03:23 Olinimm wrote: Wat? Some of the best sc2 matches ever had MC in them. MC vs PuMa NASL finals MC vs thorzain etc. And if anything Leenock is extremely predictable, at least in ZvP. He cheeses all the time, more than MC does. If Leenock can only cheese Mc even when Mc is suffering from jetlag, he deserves to drop. And man, you are a Mc fan and I could not believe you just miss so many. How about Nasl semi Mc vs Sen, how about MLG orlando Mc vs Puma, and How about HSC Mc vs JYP. Btw, at the time ppl crying toss op again, we know Mc is surely back. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 03:29 Kammalleri wrote: It's funny how the group B preview is 100 percent wrong To be fair, How can predict this group? You really can not. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 03:22 densha wrote: I'm really disappointed that MC moves on and Leenock does not. Leenock is almost always involved in making some of the best matches in SC2 whereas MC is one of the most predictable and boring players on the scene (i.e. 2 base all-in king, as he proved again to take out Leenock). Oh well, at least we get to watch Leenock in code A :\ At least, his interview and ceremony dancing is second to none. | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:12 mrtomjones wrote: Yah... because a group with MVP/Nestea/Idra or MMA would have been so much easier to get out of. He didn't get shafted. Every group is quite tough and he simply lost. Well, of course they would be. The MVP/Nestea/Idra would be a pretty easy walk for Leenock statistically speaking, and forGG would have a better chance of making it out than this Leenock/MC/supernova group. Leenock has a good recent win% against MVP and is completely outclassing the slumping Nestea, both in mirror and in ZvT. If we swapped Lucky with Leenock, all prior performance would dictate that he would make it out. Idra is almost a nonfactor. He won't beat MVP, so even if he does beat Leenock and Nestea (highly unlikely, almost fantastical, to beat both of them) Leenock would walk out with 1 loss. ForGG isn't as definitive as Leenock, but he would have a much higher chance of getting out of that group than this one if he replaced Lucky. MC (t2) is a much harder opponent than Nestea (t2), even if MVP (t1) proves to be a superior player, Leenock (t1) 2-0'd him anyways. Idra (t3) probably won't emulate supernova (t3) and annihilate both Nestea and MVP. Every group is quite tough, but this group had an exceptional t3 and t4 player as well as t1 and t2. This is the hardest group simply due to the fact that the first tier player (who choose ForGG) was a monster, the second tier player had recent wins on the first tier and exorbitant amounts of experience and tournament wins under his belt, the third tier player was a upper-mid tier code S mainstay that managed to defeat both the first and second tier, and the fourth tier player made it out of code A without dropping a single game (and put up a great fight against both the first and second tier players of his group). We didn't see Sen stand up to his group that well, we probably won't see Lucky do that either. We probably also won't see Idra annihilating his group and advancing with 0 losses (I'm hoping he does advance, but I don't see a flawless match record on his plate in the horizon). | ||
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Azuroz
Sweden1630 Posts
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 05:32 Sabu113 wrote: People need to be a little kinder to ForGG. Just about any other group he makes it. This was an exceptional group. The 1st game he played against Leenock was awesome, he showed a lot we can not see from other terran players' game. Also, he is the only one in that group did not try to cheese Mc. That alone is amazing and deserves respect. It shows his courage and confidence. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 05:58 Canucklehead wrote: Nice MC moving on even with jetlag! He's currently the best toss in the world again. Lol at the people complaining about mc cheese, when leenock tried to cheese him games 1 and 2. Also lol to people saying mc never goes off 2 bases, when in games 1 and 2 against forgg he went to 3 and 4 bases in macro games. You have to understand, MC needed to punish the 3 early hatch build by leenock on daybreak. When a toss forge fe on that map and zerg takes 3 quick bases, then if the toss doesn't punish it, then you get stephano vs nightend at home story cup where zerg will just overrun you with roaches and there's nothing the toss can do about it. What you said here is simple, but some ppl just can not understand. Let me say what Mc said in his casting. 'where is your eye, ppl?' | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
+ AOL and WCG | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On January 11 2012 09:40 Kharnage wrote: MC is merciless. As soon as he sees an opportunity to win he grabs it with both hands. People seem to confuse this with being a 1 base / 2 base rush player. If he gets no opportunity to strike he keeps taking bases, but if he sees an opening he'll go for it to secure the win. Artosis has conditioned everyone to believe that if you are at an advantage you should always get more ahead through economy, that is why so many people on TL don't understand that MC is not a cheesy player (although he will occasionally throw in stuff like that void ray build if he has a good feel for what the opponent will do on a particular map). In game 3 vs. Leenock he had to make that attack, or he gets way behind in a few minutes and wouldn't have been able to defend a 3rd even if he took it. It was the same concept as vs. Nerchio at homestory cup, he knows that zerg build is greedy and he needs to punish it. There is this weird belief on TL that zerg is entitled to a 3rd base when toss is on 2, well they are not and builds like MC did punish that with a VERY narrow timing window. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:04 RifleCow wrote: I feel like in the last few months there has been a huge amount of development in the TvZ matchup but almost nothing in ZvP. When was the last example of an epic back and forth game in ZvP? TvZ has become the positional matchup that equals broodwar in excitement and watch-ability, ZvP on the other hand not so much. I disagree, a lot builds Mc uses here looks old but they have been refined. There was a period pvz looked impossible for toss and all protosses are losing, but now Mc is winning again with 'old builds'. It has been developing, just some ppl do not like to admit. If you watch HSC and GSL, you can see that a lot of hight level protoss users like Hasu, Socke, Incontrol and Artosis are all giving credicts to Mc's pvz builds. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:11 Lewan72 wrote: Supernova didn't deserve 1st place. all he did was abuse early terran rushes. The biggest thing he abused was Mc's jetlag. But that was not his fault. | ||
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
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double620
China804 Posts
No shame to lose and I am sure he will be back. His next match if I am not mistaken is against CorePrime, and with Mc' help he should be good. | ||
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Ldawg
United States328 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:11 Lewan72 wrote: Supernova didn't deserve 1st place. all he did was abuse early terran rushes. This, this and this. His all-in in game 1 vs MC made me sick. Everyone knew some variant of 111 was coming, but nothing could be done to stop it. I get tired of seeing this build abused so often in tournaments. On a separate note, I know the players have a say in the map, do they get to veto a map in the pool like other tournaments? If so, I am surprised to see MC allowing this one in the playing pool (although I don't know all of the other available maps). | ||
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nvs.
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