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antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
January 02 2012 10:20 GMT
#681
And there it goes, MKP unpredictability at it's finest.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 02 2012 10:20 GMT
#682
On January 02 2012 19:18 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:16 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:13 Seeker wrote:
Is it just me or...... has TOP gotten better? : ]


I don't think TOP was ever 'bad'. People may have just expected too much from him after his run to the finals and he hasn't lived up to that but he's still a solid player. He was thrown into a pretty hard group (CoCa/Supernova/Alive are all good at XvT) and then had to versus PartinG in his Ro48 match.

It's still funny to see people say CoCa is good vT


And though Supernova and Alive are good, none of the group were GSL finalists so tough group or not, TOP's form could and should have got him out of the group. But his form vanished and an unknown Protoss (who might be the real deal anyway) knocked him out.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#683
On January 02 2012 19:18 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:15 BlitzerSC wrote:
Wow TOP just outclassed leenock

Please stop using this stupid word. He won because his in-base Barracks got unscouted, that's nothing to do with “outclassing” Leenocki.

But... but! Tastosis uses it, this means that everyone should spam it! Don't you know the laws of Starcraft?
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
January 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#684
MKP
vs
LosirA

on ESV Cloud Kingdom

MKP at top right

LosirA at bottom left

First 5 minutes
MKP opens with double proxy rax XD

Unfortunately LosirA scouts it :/
LosirA doing a great job of pressuring the scv of MKP's that is building the rax

MKP moves in to pressure but LosirA's drones already have great placement to defend
MKP micros around
MKP adds scvs to his marine army

LosirA starting a spine crawler
LosirA now has lings out

MKP still trying to put on pressure but LosirA is defending like a baws

LosirA's spine crawler finishes

MKP now contemplating his next move
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Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
January 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#685
Is MKP going to really commit to this push?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#686
On January 02 2012 19:18 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:16 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:13 Seeker wrote:
Is it just me or...... has TOP gotten better? : ]


I don't think TOP was ever 'bad'. People may have just expected too much from him after his run to the finals and he hasn't lived up to that but he's still a solid player. He was thrown into a pretty hard group (CoCa/Supernova/Alive are all good at XvT) and then had to versus PartinG in his Ro48 match.

It's still funny to see people say CoCa is good vT


CoCa is 10-3 in ZvT (excluding Byun incident), beating MKP/Taeja/theStC/Bomber and losing only to Happy who has 85% TvZ win ratio. So yeah, I'd say he has pretty good ZvT.
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Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
January 02 2012 10:22 GMT
#687
On January 02 2012 19:19 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:15 Hassybaby wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:13 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:11 Jehct wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:06 Hassybaby wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:02 JonnyLaw wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:00 Hassybaby wrote:
On January 02 2012 18:59 Inflicted_ wrote:
Idra-style GG xD. So Hassybaby, you still wondering why Antiga Shipyard in TvZ favored?


There's no such thing as race favoured maps, only player favoured maps. I'm impressed TOP beat Leencok on a Leencok favoured map



That's ridiculous and untrue.

Jungle basin/steppes are obviously not good maps for zerg. DQ, same story. List goes on and on and on and on.


Should rephrase

There's CURRENTLY no map that's race favoured. Every problem people claim a map has is solved in some way through adjustment on the map. I can concede Shattered Temple, but other maps are either pretty balanced overall, or there have not been enough games to say if the map is balanced or not.

That argument is totally ridiculous. Regardless of how many matches have been broadcasted, thousands of games have been played on these maps. If there's a general consensus among Korean pros as to what maps are good for each race, there's likely some degree of imbalance.

Also, what about maps like Crossfire? There have been enough broadcasted games to know it isn't exactly balanced.


But Hassy's right in that it is only favored due to their playstyle. If both races play their 'standard' style, then Terran would be much more favored on a map like Antiga Shipyard, but if the Zerg decides to play aggressive, then the map-style of Antiga Shipyard can be pretty favorable to them.


And you've nailed my point exactly. The only reason people cry about map balance is because their playstyles don't work on the map. Guess what. You have to change depending on what map you're playing.

Its the same stupid crying that people did when their compositions didn't work vs a race, and they cried balance. You ahve to adapt to the environment, and that is definitely the case for maps.

...So Dual Sight doesn't favour zerg PvZ, protoss should just never take a third? You can adapt your playstyle all you like - a X-favoured map still favours the race who didn't have to change their gameplan.

If DRG's roach/baneling with drops (for example) is a good way to play Antiga every game, he'd do it every game (as would others). Cute builds have their place, and they can be a great response to difficult maps, but that doesn't change who the map favours =/


Agreed.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 02 2012 10:22 GMT
#688
yay gogo losira
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Varth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States426 Posts
January 02 2012 10:22 GMT
#689
no wall off fail...
jackdaleaper
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines1216 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#690
Losira just barely holding off that pressure
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#691
On January 02 2012 19:18 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:15 BlitzerSC wrote:
Wow TOP just outclassed leenock

Please stop using this stupid word. He won because his in-base Barracks got unscouted, that's nothing to do with “outclassing” Leenocki.

Leenock was "outclassed" because he had terrible scouting... it was only 1-Rax anyways... it shouldn't have done that much damage. Leenock was just bad that game, thus outclassed...? (in terms of scouting)
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Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#692
MKP looks dead O_o
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Nuithari
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium737 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#693
MKP so stubborn
"Marineking's greatest strength is his enjoyment of the game" -Grubby
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#694
Wolf seems out of it lol

Maybe lonely
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#695
On January 02 2012 19:21 Yang Wenli wrote:
Is MKP going to really commit to this push?


Unfortunately yes I think that's GG.
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Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#696
Poor Cloud Kingdom, your debut has resulted to a fast 2 rax by MKP.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#697
Lol losira stopping a bunker rush, MADNESS
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#698
i used to like marine king, now i realize, he just cheeses or all ins every single game, shameful really.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 10:24:18
January 02 2012 10:23 GMT
#699
On January 02 2012 19:21 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:18 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:16 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:13 Seeker wrote:
Is it just me or...... has TOP gotten better? : ]


I don't think TOP was ever 'bad'. People may have just expected too much from him after his run to the finals and he hasn't lived up to that but he's still a solid player. He was thrown into a pretty hard group (CoCa/Supernova/Alive are all good at XvT) and then had to versus PartinG in his Ro48 match.

It's still funny to see people say CoCa is good vT


CoCa is 10-3 in ZvT (excluding Byun incident), beating MKP/Taeja/theStC/Bomber and losing only to Happy who has 85% TvZ win ratio. So yeah, I'd say he has pretty good ZvT.


He's 18-24, his vT has been notoriously weak but definitely had an upswing after he joined SlayerS
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 02 2012 10:24 GMT
#700
Game is about even now, MKP has mules. =O
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