qxc is the only pro I know of that I knew, 1-cannot resist a challenge. 2- Is tryhard enough to play a lot of games.
Keeping these things in mind, I decided to issue a challenge he could never resist. A best of 31. this is as far as I know, the longest series to be played and broadcasted in one day by two pros in the history of starcraft 2, and perhaps any game.
epic as fuck and definitely gonna check this out ... although im not sure who this guy catz is playing. i mean, i think i probably have heard of him...
What will be the maps? You should start out with the ridiculous Blizzard maps like Incineration Zone and Steppes of War and slowly build up to Calm Before the Storm and some of the maps in the TL Map Contest. Make it an evolution of StarCraft maps.
[12/16/2011 4:59:22 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: Kevin [12/16/2011 4:59:24 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: Serious question [12/16/2011 4:59:26 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: BO31 [12/16/2011 4:59:26 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: ? [12/16/2011 4:59:34 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: not even kidding, set a time and date [12/16/2011 4:59:45 PM] Kevin 'qxc' R: tvz? [12/16/2011 4:59:59 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: yes [12/16/2011 5:00:05 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: me Z u T BO31 [12/16/2011 5:00:07 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: you say when [12/16/2011 5:00:30 PM] Kevin 'qxc' R: next thursday [12/16/2011 5:00:32 PM] Kevin 'qxc' R: starting at 1 pm cst [12/16/2011 5:04:38 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: ok [12/16/2011 5:04:39 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: so [12/16/2011 5:04:40 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: 2pmEST [12/16/2011 5:04:43 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: next thursday [12/16/2011 5:04:44 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: BO31 [12/16/2011 5:04:46 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: kevin [12/16/2011 5:04:47 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: agree? [12/16/2011 5:04:49 PM] Paulo Vizcarra: i anounce on stream [12/16/2011 5:05:02 PM] Kevin 'qxc' R: yea [12/16/2011 5:05:03 PM] Kevin 'qxc' R: I'm down
On December 17 2011 18:56 ulan-bat wrote: Get TB to cast this!
Duuuude if anyone commentates I actually want to be able to listen to it without facepalming hard every 2 secounds.
Really looking forward to it, unless someone decent casts I'll probably just have both streams open and dual watch it. Also if you want to make the mappool similiar to the epic bw bo50 which was pretty much only played on different versions of Lost Temple, just go for shakuras, there should be 31 versions of that one by now.
A different map every time, please! Include some of the maps in NASL/IPL/TL map contests, every competitive map ever, gotta have some micro challenge customs in there as well, no doubt.
[QUOTE]On December 17 2011 22:33 Vulture174 wrote: [QUOTE]On December 17 2011 22:25 Black Gun wrote: [QUOTE]On December 17 2011 19:24 Zurachi wrote: GOGO QXC! I believe in you, sensei.
This is going to be the SC2 equivalent of the Goku vs Frieza fight.[/Q UOTE] omfg, i just dropped from my chair laughing. best metaphor ever.
but one day i want to see a bo31 between goody and cloud....[/QUOTE]
Some "day" you act as if that would be possible.... It could not happen in a day.[/QUOTE]
If they had sleep breaks.... It couldn't happen in a week either...
since there will be so many games hope to see season 1 blizzard maps/ICCUP maps/TL Map Contest maps and other custom maps haven't seen games on season 1 blizzard maps for so long lolo
Lmao, I can't even imagine the mind games that will go into a bo31. At what point do you cheese? When does mental fatigue set in? How serious can one even take each individual game?
Dam, two of my fav sc2 personalities duking it out O_O. My Latin American brother or my fellow California inhabitant? The tree-hugging John Lennon or the saucy, hip-moving Cumbia King? One things is for sure, viewers shall not lose.
I'm expecting a lot of crazy early cheese otherwise the players will be exhausted too soon. Plus with so many matches it doesn't matter about throwing away games.
On December 19 2011 07:54 ChemBroTron wrote: I voted yes for 31 different maps, but... which 31 maps should that be? And is Steppes of War and Kulas Revine in it?
Kulas Extreme might be a nice diversion, but Steppes is just imba. I'd like to see some classics (scrap station?) along with a majority of the maps coming from recent map making comps. Could get some decent exposure for those maps and keep things interesting.
When i saw BO31 on the sidebar i thought it was like best 31 moments in starcraft's history. Thank god i actually clicked in and saw it was a Bo31 matchup!
Insane! Get this on the calender so people don't miss it :p
1) Take a large pool of new maps from map maker community. The map-makes will gladly help you with that I assume.
2) Let the players each veto a number of maps, so that only 5-10 are left. This can be fun, to see which maps the players find imbalanced (or boring) at a first glance. Should ofc be streamed, with the players thinking out loud why the maps are good/bad for his race/playstyle.
3) Play a sub-BO3 on each of those maps. The score still add up, so that winning a map 2-0 is better than 2-1. Then you will get at least 2 games on each map, which can be fun, giving the players a chance to adapt.
On December 19 2011 16:56 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: If TB casts this I will slit my wrists. GOGO QXC
That isn't much of a threat.
More of a reward really
LOL well played ^^
Please cast these games I know you've got plenty of love from the community (I'm a fan as well), and people can always choose to watch a different stream if they don't feel like watching you in particular.
I feel like CatZ is going to take it because in a long series you need to vary your play if you want to win. Now in a BO31.... you HAVE to vary your play to win lol. Who is better at making shit up on the fly than CatZ? I mean qxc is pretty good at that kinda thing as well but he's no CatZ
You two are crazy and I love you for it! I voted CatZ simply because he is (probably) more active than qxc - he is still busy with school as far as I know. On the other hand, the player with more endurance might have the better chance. Will these games be casted? Ask TB, Day9 or someone like them to cast it, please.
I wonder if the final games in the series will be absolute train wrecks as both players start to run out of strats and metagame each other into oblivion.
Yes! I've been waiting for something like this... this will truly determine who is the better player. I'm rooting for CatZ but I have a feeling qxc is in a different league.
Wasn't sure I was going to make this until yesterday / this morning - have now cleared schedule and am pleased to say I will be casting the entire series live!
Wow this will be close, Catz is really in top form right now. And I was watching QXC last night, and he still controls those beastly multipronged attacks like nobodies business. I honestly don't know who will come out ahead.
Not only are they great players, but I think there's something to be said for the psychology of a series when you play against the same person this many times; the "smarter" player could get a real advantage...this will be a BLAST to observe!
Lol. I wonder how much the % of cheese vs standard games will there be? Probably will have two six-pool rushes and 6 bunker rushes in the 31 games too. =p
qxc is gonna make Catz look like the dog feces you scrape off of your shoe via the curb when you don't want to curse the crass on the side of the sidewalk with it.
On December 23 2011 04:41 BronzeKnee wrote: QXC really loves Marauders in TvZ... I've never seen any pro use them so much, usually they only come out to combat Ultras.
On December 23 2011 04:41 BronzeKnee wrote: QXC really loves Marauders in TvZ... I've never seen any pro use them so much, usually they only come out to combat Ultras.
On December 23 2011 04:40 McFeser wrote: #49 is Steppes of War? So it comes to an ace match QXC wins?
There is a maximum of 31 games. First to 16 wins, wins. I don't know why Steppes of War is on there twice (#11 and #49).
31st map is team micro arena.. theres something wrong with that map pool..
I thought the BO31 was a typo. Then I looked again and thought something was up with my eyes. Then I laughed and realized it was a typo. Then I tuned into the stream and well...
While I'm glad there is a caster so I can see everything without the jumping around of both player cams at the same time, he seems like he has little clue what's going on. Good voice though.
On December 23 2011 06:34 Dexington wrote: While I'm glad there is a caster so I can see everything without the jumping around of both player cams at the same time, he seems like he has little clue what's going on. Good voice though.
Yea never have heard this caster before, but he's not bad at all.
QXC to pwn. after seeing QXC in gstl and streams they guy has potential in my eyes to be a sick sick sick foreigner after time. Plus hes rockin infected mushroom :DDDDDD
On December 23 2011 07:42 NipponBanzai wrote: One of these guys all-killed IM and the other one didn't. 'Nuff Said.
Yeah, I'd say that sums it up. Catz is a personality and has gained notoriety through being such while doing unorthodox and goofy Zerg builds. QXC is just good.
QXC is really cheesy in this Bo31.... This kind of tricks works for little series like BO31, but when you really have to do long series (BO61) that doesn't work anymore..
On December 23 2011 08:04 kubiks wrote: QXC is really cheesy in this Bo31.... This kind of tricks works for little series like BO31, but when you really have to do long series (BO61) that doesn't work anymore..
GAME 1 - Catz > qxc on Shakuras Plateau GAME 2 - Catz < qxc on Novice Steppes of War GAME 3 - Catz > qxc on TPW Odyssey GAME 4 - Catz < qxc on Shattered Temple GAME 5 - Catz < qxc on Metalopolis GAME 6 - Catz < qxc on Tal'Darim Altar GAME 7 - Catz < qxc on Antiga Shipyard GAME 8 - Catz < qxc on Daybreak GAME 9 - Catz < qxc on Dual Sight GAME 10 - Catz < qxc on TPW Ohana GAME 11 - Catz < qxc on Crevasse GAME 12 - Catz > qxc on TPW Emerald Jungle GAME 13 - Catz < qxc on Testbug GAME 14 - Catz < qxc on iCCup Neo Enigma GAME 15 - Catz > qxc on Scorched Haven
On December 23 2011 08:04 kubiks wrote: QXC is really cheesy in this Bo31.... This kind of tricks works for little series like BO31, but when you really have to do long series (BO61) that doesn't work anymore..
This argument makes no sense. If a player consistently uses cheese, then future cheese plays from that player should not work because the opponent will anticipate it. However, this is not the case for CatZ. Clearly, the problem is not that qxc is using cheese. The problem is that CatZ is terrible at defending against cheese even when he anticipates it. Furthermore, he is terrible at maintaining a lead.
On December 23 2011 08:04 kubiks wrote: QXC is really cheesy in this Bo31.... This kind of tricks works for little series like BO31, but when you really have to do long series (BO61) that doesn't work anymore..
This argument makes no sense. If a player consistently uses cheese, then future cheese plays from that player should not work because the opponent will anticipate it. However, this is not the case for CatZ. Clearly, the problem is not that qxc is using cheese. The problem is that CatZ is terrible at defending against cheese even when he anticipates it. Furthermore, he is terrible at maintaining a lead.
Whoooosh!
Also, successful use of Ultralisks is always nice.
On December 23 2011 08:04 kubiks wrote: QXC is really cheesy in this Bo31.... This kind of tricks works for little series like BO31, but when you really have to do long series (BO61) that doesn't work anymore..
This argument makes no sense. If a player consistently uses cheese, then future cheese plays from that player should not work because the opponent will anticipate it. However, this is not the case for CatZ. Clearly, the problem is not that qxc is using cheese. The problem is that CatZ is terrible at defending against cheese even when he anticipates it. Furthermore, he is terrible at maintaining a lead.
On December 23 2011 08:04 kubiks wrote: QXC is really cheesy in this Bo31.... This kind of tricks works for little series like BO31, but when you really have to do long series (BO61) that doesn't work anymore..
This argument makes no sense. If a player consistently uses cheese, then future cheese plays from that player should not work because the opponent will anticipate it. However, this is not the case for CatZ. Clearly, the problem is not that qxc is using cheese. The problem is that CatZ is terrible at defending against cheese even when he anticipates it. Furthermore, he is terrible at maintaining a lead.
On December 23 2011 08:04 kubiks wrote: QXC is really cheesy in this Bo31.... This kind of tricks works for little series like BO31, but when you really have to do long series (BO61) that doesn't work anymore..
This argument makes no sense. If a player consistently uses cheese, then future cheese plays from that player should not work because the opponent will anticipate it. However, this is not the case for CatZ. Clearly, the problem is not that qxc is using cheese. The problem is that CatZ is terrible at defending against cheese even when he anticipates it. Furthermore, he is terrible at maintaining a lead.
Whoooosh!
Also, successful use of Ultralisks is always nice.
It is funny that when you were typing that, CatZ was down SIX games; he won only 25% of the times.
On December 23 2011 08:04 kubiks wrote: QXC is really cheesy in this Bo31.... This kind of tricks works for little series like BO31, but when you really have to do long series (BO61) that doesn't work anymore..
This argument makes no sense. If a player consistently uses cheese, then future cheese plays from that player should not work because the opponent will anticipate it. However, this is not the case for CatZ. Clearly, the problem is not that qxc is using cheese. The problem is that CatZ is terrible at defending against cheese even when he anticipates it. Furthermore, he is terrible at maintaining a lead.
Whoooosh!
Also, successful use of Ultralisks is always nice.
It is funny that when you were typing that, CatZ was down SIX games; he won only 25% of the times.
Now it is 10-3.
Trolling? Or just don't get sarcasm?
Either way, this is fucking epic. Way to go Catz and QXC!
GAME 1 - Catz > qxc on Shakuras Plateau GAME 2 - Catz < qxc on Novice Steppes of War GAME 3 - Catz > qxc on TPW Odyssey GAME 4 - Catz < qxc on Shattered Temple GAME 5 - Catz < qxc on Metalopolis GAME 6 - Catz < qxc on Tal'Darim Altar GAME 7 - Catz < qxc on Antiga Shipyard GAME 8 - Catz < qxc on Daybreak GAME 9 - Catz < qxc on Dual Sight GAME 10 - Catz < qxc on TPW Ohana GAME 11 - Catz < qxc on Crevasse GAME 12 - Catz > qxc on TPW Emerald Jungle GAME 13 - Catz < qxc on Testbug GAME 14 - Catz < qxc on iCCup Neo Enigma GAME 15 - Catz > qxc on Scorched Haven GAME 16 - Catz < qxc on Terminus RE GAME 17 - Catz < qxc on TPW Overgrown GAME 18 - Catz < qxc on Steppes of War GAME 19 - Catz < qxc on TPW Concrete Dreams GAME 20 - Catz > qxc on iCCup Sanshorn Mists GAME 21 - IN PROGRESS
What I don't get is why they would do this during their team league games. Since they have been playing all morning that means they were unable to play in the IGN clan war.
(Before people say IGN games are days old.... They were played this morning/inprogress right now)
I think CatZ is saving Kulas Extreme and Random Micro Challenge for the rubber match or whenever someone is facing elimination... which means after this game if CatZ loses again.
On December 23 2011 10:03 Shelke14 wrote: What I don't get is why they would do this during their team league games. Since they have been playing all morning that means they were unable to play in the IGN clan war.
(Before people say IGN games are days old.... They were played this morning/inprogress right now)
I seriously doubt they would be played anyway, coL was using all Koreans.
On December 23 2011 10:03 Shelke14 wrote: What I don't get is why they would do this during their team league games. Since they have been playing all morning that means they were unable to play in the IGN clan war.
(Before people say IGN games are days old.... They were played this morning/inprogress right now)
They were played in the morning eu time, the day Korean time, and night American time.
GAME 1 - Catz > qxc on Shakuras Plateau GAME 2 - Catz < qxc on Novice Steppes of War GAME 3 - Catz > qxc on TPW Odyssey GAME 4 - Catz < qxc on Shattered Temple GAME 5 - Catz < qxc on Metalopolis GAME 6 - Catz < qxc on Tal'Darim Altar GAME 7 - Catz < qxc on Antiga Shipyard GAME 8 - Catz < qxc on Daybreak GAME 9 - Catz < qxc on Dual Sight GAME 10 - Catz < qxc on TPW Ohana GAME 11 - Catz < qxc on Crevasse GAME 12 - Catz > qxc on TPW Emerald Jungle GAME 13 - Catz < qxc on Testbug GAME 14 - Catz < qxc on iCCup Neo Enigma GAME 15 - Catz > qxc on Scorched Haven GAME 16 - Catz < qxc on Terminus RE GAME 17 - Catz < qxc on TPW Overgrown GAME 18 - Catz < qxc on Steppes of War GAME 19 - Catz < qxc on TPW Concrete Dreams GAME 20 - Catz > qxc on iCCup Sanshorn Mists GAME 21 - Catz > qxc on Crossfire SE GAME 22 - Catz < qxc on Lost Temple (by far the worst map ever made -CatZ)
GAME 1 - Catz > qxc on Shakuras Plateau GAME 2 - Catz < qxc on Novice Steppes of War GAME 3 - Catz > qxc on TPW Odyssey GAME 4 - Catz < qxc on Shattered Temple GAME 5 - Catz < qxc on Metalopolis GAME 6 - Catz < qxc on Tal'Darim Altar GAME 7 - Catz < qxc on Antiga Shipyard GAME 8 - Catz < qxc on Daybreak GAME 9 - Catz < qxc on Dual Sight GAME 10 - Catz < qxc on TPW Ohana GAME 11 - Catz < qxc on Crevasse GAME 12 - Catz > qxc on TPW Emerald Jungle GAME 13 - Catz < qxc on Testbug GAME 14 - Catz < qxc on iCCup Neo Enigma GAME 15 - Catz > qxc on Scorched Haven GAME 16 - Catz < qxc on Terminus RE GAME 17 - Catz < qxc on TPW Overgrown GAME 18 - Catz < qxc on Steppes of War GAME 19 - Catz < qxc on TPW Concrete Dreams GAME 20 - Catz > qxc on iCCup Sanshorn Mists GAME 21 - Catz > qxc on Crossfire SE GAME 22 - Catz < qxc on Lost Temple (by far the worst map ever made -CatZ)
GG to both players! So much 2 raxes lol...
Entertaining serie, hopefully the first of many to come! bo31 are where it's at haha. Too bad no Kulas Extreme and Micro Challenge.
I like steppes of war appearing in the map pool 3 times, 2 right next to eachother where one is a novice map LOL and is also the final map! Let's hope this goes to the distance.
Thanks for tuning in everyone It was great to have all 3 streams up! Apologies for missing stuff in the first bunch of games, honey-in-tea and a reasonable amount of pills to keep my voice going later things picked up later on and I was a lot more awake. qxc has a great ability to be everywhere at once! A great series and hats off to both players; some very high level play coming out of both. Of course the beginning was just mad (how many proxy buildings were there in the first 10 games!?) but things were even more epic once gameplay settled down later on.
I have no doubt CatZ will get a rematch soon and I hope it goes all the way to an ace 31st match! :-)
Thanks to all the people that tuned in on all streams (and those that helped me out via chat - much appreciated!). And the biggest applause to the players who managed 7 hours and 30 minutes without a break lasting longer than a few minutes. Heroic!
On December 23 2011 11:53 ReachTheSky wrote: Lol wow QXC laying the smackdown on catz. Not really surprised. QXC fighting!!!
I didn't watch many games but the ones i did it was more catz losing than Qxc winning so I think they're more or less the same skill. not one owning the other even though the results are kind of lopsided
On December 23 2011 11:53 ReachTheSky wrote: Lol wow QXC laying the smackdown on catz. Not really surprised. QXC fighting!!!
I didn't watch many games but the ones i did it was more catz losing than Qxc winning so I think they're more or less the same skill. not one owning the other even though the results are kind of lopsided
Not sure how you can say that lol. He dominated the series, is more accomplished overall as far as his career goes even though he only plays part time due to college. I think he's far better.
On December 23 2011 13:00 JoRoSaR wrote: Thanks for tuning in everyone It was great to have all 3 streams up! Apologies for missing stuff in the first bunch of games, honey-in-tea and a reasonable amount of pills to keep my voice going later things picked up later on and I was a lot more awake. qxc has a great ability to be everywhere at once! A great series and hats off to both players; some very high level play coming out of both. Of course the beginning was just mad (how many proxy buildings were there in the first 10 games!?) but things were even more epic once gameplay settled down later on.
I have no doubt CatZ will get a rematch soon and I hope it goes all the way to an ace 31st match! :-)
Thanks to all the people that tuned in on all streams (and those that helped me out via chat - much appreciated!). And the biggest applause to the players who managed 7 hours and 30 minutes without a break lasting longer than a few minutes. Heroic!
You did good, was a entertaining show match for sure!
On December 23 2011 17:48 zedest wrote: Just lost all respect for QXC, It's not as if it was for money, you think they'd want to put on a good show not just 2rax 2rax 2rax 2rax.
Anyways thanks for the entertainment bros
To be fait when you have to do 16 win at some point you want to have some freewins. Catz did the same with banelingsbust
On December 23 2011 17:48 zedest wrote: Just lost all respect for QXC, It's not as if it was for money, you think they'd want to put on a good show not just 2rax 2rax 2rax 2rax.
Anyways thanks for the entertainment bros
16-5 with only 45 minutes long macro game would take about 945 ingame minutes (15 hours 45 minutes). Not possible. In a BO31 (as in a BO7) you obviously see some all ins/cheeses.
On December 23 2011 17:48 zedest wrote: Just lost all respect for QXC, It's not as if it was for money, you think they'd want to put on a good show not just 2rax 2rax 2rax 2rax.
Anyways thanks for the entertainment bros
Please tell me you are joking? Its a best of 31.... do you expect them to play long drawn out macro games for 2-3 days?
On December 23 2011 17:48 zedest wrote: Just lost all respect for QXC, It's not as if it was for money, you think they'd want to put on a good show not just 2rax 2rax 2rax 2rax.
Anyways thanks for the entertainment bros
Whenever I see posts like this (and I see them very often), I always get this image of a little kid throwing a tantrum for no reason. Why this imagery? In part, it's because I see the "lost all respect for X" fad so often, and because of how absurd it is. MVP does marine/tank/banshee? I see posts like "Oh, MVPs a scrub. I lost all respect for him." and a thousand more cases I've seen. It's unbelievable. It is ridiculous that someone can go from liking someone to absolutely hating and 'losing all respect' for them because they were already playing for 6 hours and didn't want to play for 6 more and wanted to throw in some short games. I hope you're not like this with people in real life :|.
On December 23 2011 17:48 zedest wrote: Just lost all respect for QXC, It's not as if it was for money, you think they'd want to put on a good show not just 2rax 2rax 2rax 2rax.
Anyways thanks for the entertainment bros
Whenever I see posts like this (and I see them very often), I always get this image of a little kid throwing a tantrum for no reason. Why this imagery? In part, it's because I see the "lost all respect for X" fad so often, and because of how absurd it is. MVP does marine/tank/banshee? I see posts like "Oh, MVPs a scrub. I lost all respect for him." and a thousand more cases I've seen. It's unbelievable. It is ridiculous that someone can go from liking someone to absolutely hating and 'losing all respect' for them because they were already playing for 6 hours and didn't want to play for 6 more and wanted to throw in some short games. I hope you're not like this with people in real life :|.
I figured people in TeamLiquid likes to come here and say what their opinion is because they can, no one can say shit about how they feel about rantiing often times.
Great series, althought qxc is a real trooper I must say. :D
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