• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:50
CEST 05:50
KST 12:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris31Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time #2: Serral - Greatest Players of All Time I hope balance council is prepping final balance Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away Aligulac - Europe takes the podium
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below
Brood War
General
BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups Flash On His 2010 "God" Form, Mind Games, vs JD No Rain in ASL20?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined! [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [ASL20] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The year 2050 European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3093 users

[GSL] Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 224

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 222 223 224 225 226 294 Next
Can't go to lunch without coming back to 20+ reports. This makes me upset. Stop the bullshit or get ready to hammered. Thanks --Pholon
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
December 13 2011 12:17 GMT
#4461
On December 13 2011 21:17 FuRong wrote:
If Polt wins this then we go to tiebreakers.

GSL uses head to head rules not tiebreakers.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
marmuc
Profile Joined August 2011
110 Posts
December 13 2011 12:17 GMT
#4462
so did naniwa get invited to the tournament?
Rybaia
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy213 Posts
December 13 2011 12:17 GMT
#4463
I actually feel bad for Quantic Gaming.
Lyndsay
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom40 Posts
December 13 2011 12:17 GMT
#4464
On December 13 2011 21:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
No respect to viewers, producers, casters and anyone else involved in making this tournament a success.

If there were betting lines out of these matches it's absolutely unacceptable regarding that as well. I doubt Naniwa researched that so it's morally the same decision.


I totally agree with you.
I was sitting wondering what i would do if i were his manager or anything to do with Quantic Gaming and i don't think he can get away with doing such a thing with any repercussions.

Do you have an opinion or thoughts on how things such as this could be combated as a member of one of the most loved teams and players?
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
December 13 2011 12:17 GMT
#4465
It's hilarious the difference in attitudes towards cheese between foreigners and Koreans... and you wonder why foreigners struggle so hard against basic stuff you see on KR ladder all the time.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4466
Naniwa has one thing going for him - he has personality and creates drama, and if there's one thing that attracts viewers like moths to a flame, it's personality and drama (hence the reason IdrA has so many fans and anti-fans).

That doesn't mean he did the right thing.
coko
Profile Joined November 2002
United Kingdom570 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4467
On December 13 2011 21:17 Severian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:14 ambrosiaa wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:13 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:09 ambrosiaa wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:07 Yaki wrote:
I am gonna fucking complain to GOMTV about that, I paid for that shit.

dont be so spoilt. that was just 1 match which didnt even matter.

it did matter. we wanted to see naniwa vs nestea rematch. a 7 pool by nestea would've been a legit strategy for example, however what naniwa did cannot work.

I understand, naniwa only cares about winning, he doesnt play to appease his fans, and there's nothing wrong with that. gom probably forced him to play the match even though there was no reason to.

Being able to play this game professionally is not a privilege. If you piss everyone off doing stuff like this, it won't matter how good you are; people won't want to watch you, sponsors won't want to give you money, and events won't want you to waste airtime. Players realistically play for the viewers, not for themselves.


True, though if you piss people off just right, you'll be the biggest and most infamous player. Usually a lot more money in that.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8545 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4468
On December 13 2011 21:10 MayorITC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:06 Ryuuka wrote:
Why should he even play, that game had NO meaning what so ever. I respect Naniwas decision.


1. Sportsmanship
2. He had the opportunity to earn money, partially funded by people who pay to watch the games.
3. It's not just about him. If Nestea is going to take the time to play against him, the casters are taking the time to cast the game and GomTV is taking the time to broadcast the match, then he should play. That selfish mentality is the whole reason people label Naniwa as immature. There's nothing wrong with that kind of behavior on the ladder, but when you're a PROFESSIONAL player, there's a certain code of conduct people are expected to follow.


1. he forfeited - I guess that´s his right is it not?
2. nobody forced them to pay for it - they want to get something out of it as well and actually do with this little stunt.
3.obviously it is - because people are watching and give a damn about him making a show - even PAYING for it.

really don´t understand how people get so upset about that brilliant, probably unintended, PR stunt.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4469
On December 13 2011 21:07 Benjef wrote:
Idra and Naniwa have very similar mentalities... yet people hate naniwa and love idra?

Yeah, Idra went through group selections and then left Korea, forfeiting all of his Code S games and ruining his group. I think Nani's move is about the same. At least he could have done a mothership rush or something if he didn't want to play seriously.
$♥$
Wedberg
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden169 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4470
Seriously, who cares? If you're pissed you didn't get to see a proper game, blame Gom for not scheduling them earlier. I'd be pissed too if I had to play a worthless game..
TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4471
On December 13 2011 21:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
No respect to viewers, producers, casters and anyone else involved in making this tournament a success.

If there were betting lines out of these matches it's absolutely unacceptable regarding that as well. I doubt Naniwa researched that so it's morally the same decision.


Well-said, never have a gringed so much over a game. I was thoroughly expecting them to atleast try for the fans, I guess that tells a lot about Naniwa though.
IM.Nestea | IM.MvP | MvP.DongRaeGu. | Genius | ST.Parting I SlayerS.MMA
Zannadar
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey294 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4472
On December 13 2011 21:17 FreudianTrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
No respect to viewers, producers, casters and anyone else involved in making this tournament a success.

If there were betting lines out of these matches it's absolutely unacceptable regarding that as well. I doubt Naniwa researched that so it's morally the same decision.


+1's aren't allowed so here's me saying I agree.

That is a joke. I hope people share their feelings with @QuanticGaming



Hell yes. I really hope he gets a serious warning or a penalty from GOM.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4473
On December 13 2011 21:16 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
No respect to viewers, producers, casters and anyone else involved in making this tournament a success.

If there were betting lines out of these matches it's absolutely unacceptable regarding that as well. I doubt Naniwa researched that so it's morally the same decision.


He played in the tournament, the tournament was over for him and his opponent. The result has no effect on who goes through or who goes out. MC arguably not trying so Stephano got knocked out is more significant than this situation.


You just gave Nazgul the best counter argument. MC played his absolute butt off when he had nothing to gain.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4474
On December 13 2011 21:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
No respect to viewers, producers, casters and anyone else involved in making this tournament a success.

If there were betting lines out of these matches it's absolutely unacceptable regarding that as well. I doubt Naniwa researched that so it's morally the same decision.

Pff, broadcasting games that dont matter is stupid, they dont do it in Up and Downs, I was surprised they did it here, and probably only did it because the players it was.
Yomi-no-Kuni
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany333 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4475
should've just made it a fun show match instead of this...
also entertaining, but not as controversial
SaoPaulo
Profile Joined December 2011
Brazil62 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4476
I kinda get Naniwa`s frustation. Koreans cheesing all the time is so boring and sad.
smakme7757
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway5 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4477
Poor form of Naniwa. Even worse that he is in another country where respect is as much a part of the game as losing or winning.

That was a big F*** You to everyone watching that game!
graan
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany589 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4478
On December 13 2011 21:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:13 Onox wrote:
I think gom should penalize him imo

you would get penalized in any sport for doing something like that. i agree


have to agree too, in other sports, if games dont matter and have to be played, everybody involved will at least say they will try and put up a show for the fans.. he didnt care at all.. im sorry thats not excusable for me.
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4479
Naniwa going 0-4 makes me happy.

almost entirely because i'd cry if nestea went 0-4.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 13 2011 12:18 GMT
#4480
On December 13 2011 21:17 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:14 Crashburn wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:13 Onox wrote:
I think gom should penalize him imo

you would get penalized in any sport for doing something like that. i agree


How can you both be from the US and say that? That wouldn't happen in any of the four major sports in the US.

people get fined and penalized all the time for doing stupid stuff in US sports. I don't get where you're coming from


That wasn't your argument, clown.

ok if a football team went out and just stood there and let another nfl team score 100 points, they would probably get fined or penalized in some fashion. however, it wont happen in a major sport because of the consequences. better?
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Prev 1 222 223 224 225 226 294 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
SEL S2 Championship: Ro16
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech84
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 244
PianO 155
Nal_rA 147
Bale 19
Icarus 11
Noble 9
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm60
League of Legends
JimRising 751
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K509
Coldzera 258
Other Games
tarik_tv8573
summit1g8135
shahzam667
C9.Mang0358
hungrybox327
ViBE239
Maynarde131
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH105
• practicex 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2978
League of Legends
• Rush1239
• Lourlo797
• Stunt399
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 10m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
7h 10m
herO vs MaxPax
Clem vs Classic
Replay Cast
20h 10m
LiuLi Cup
1d 7h
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Cure vs Rogue
Classic vs HeRoMaRinE
Cosmonarchy
1d 12h
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
Big Brain Bouts
1d 12h
Iba vs GgMaChine
TriGGeR vs Bunny
Reynor vs Classic
Serral vs Clem
BSL Team Wars
1d 15h
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
1d 15h
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
SC Evo League
2 days
TaeJa vs Cure
Rogue vs threepoint
ByuN vs Creator
MaNa vs Classic
Maestros of the Game
2 days
ShoWTimE vs Cham
GuMiho vs Ryung
Zoun vs Spirit
Rogue vs MaNa
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
2 days
SC Evo League
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
SHIN vs Creator
Astrea vs Lambo
Bunny vs SKillous
HeRoMaRinE vs TriGGeR
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.