On December 05 2011 20:53 Hassybaby wrote: Dual Sight!
Brown has yet to play on this map in the GSL, while Losira is 3-2
Losira is actually 3-1 on this map overall vs Protoss, with wins over Tester, Tassadar and HongUn, but losing to Genius. Brown is...ok he's never played this map. But he's a winner in my eyes
0.00 SlayerS_Brown is spawning as the red protoss in the bottom left position. IM_LosirA is spawning as the blue zerg in the top right position.
4.00 LosirA goes for a pool first, Brown goes FFE. Brown going Nexus before his cannons this time. Four zerglings and a queen on the way. Cannon goes down as well.
LosirA gets his own expansion at about 17. Gateway also thrown down.
On December 05 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote: That is just plain out imbalanced .. should be nerfed totally in my opinion. You can expect the Zerg to split up forces a bit, but just not in every situation and after that he can't do shit about it. Not an imbalance whine as I'm Terran, but I still think it shouldnt work like that
It's pretty much the only time in the game Zerg has to micro. It's fine.
rofl. Because a single spell should destroy an entire army right?
What losira did was the equivalent of move commanding into banelings, sorry
of course it was a stupid move by losira, but seriously a single spell has the capability to destroy an entire army.
On December 05 2011 20:53 hewley wrote: Losira panicked when he saw his broodlords undefended when his corruptors went into the vortex. Still a major mental choke T_T
I think this is what happened.. can't explain it any other way. Sad
On December 05 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote: That is just plain out imbalanced .. should be nerfed totally in my opinion. You can expect the Zerg to split up forces a bit, but just not in every situation and after that he can't do shit about it. Not an imbalance whine as I'm Terran, but I still think it shouldnt work like that
Oh my god... you've got to be fucking kidding me...
HE MOVED HIS OWN BL's INTO THE VORTEX (or at the very fucking least, was incredibly negligent with them when a vortex was already on the field and his corrupters had already been sucked in). He deserved to lose the game for fucking up so much. Please dont cry imba, you know better than that.
It's basically the equivalent of complaining that moving into a nuke is imbalanced as it can kill your entire army
On December 05 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote: That is just plain out imbalanced .. should be nerfed totally in my opinion. You can expect the Zerg to split up forces a bit, but just not in every situation and after that he can't do shit about it. Not an imbalance whine as I'm Terran, but I still think it shouldnt work like that
If you're talking about the mothership, I don't agree at all. Please, try to imagine a composition that would allow the protoss to win in that situation. He has the same economy, the same supply, the same upgrades...except there is no army composition that can allow him to win without vortexing. Losira threw his army in the vortex in addition lol, he suicided himself.
Void ray colossus stalker high templar is the strongest lategame PvZ composition. For Losira's basically only corrupter /broodlord a lower colo higher void ray composition would do it. (Void rays counter broods and corrupters, yay!)
Also, lol at Khaldor recommending neural parasite. Good luck landing your range 7 NP on a mothership back up by a protoss death ball, hahahhahahhahhaa.
On December 05 2011 20:54 Gijian wrote: I think Losira thought the Blizzard nerf to Archon toilet was sufficed. He moved his broodlord in because he lost the unit that could have defended the broodlord and thus he want everything in the toilet to protect it, but apparently, archon toilet still works.
On December 05 2011 20:49 MandoRelease wrote: Wasn't the archon toilet supposed to be fixed a few month ago ?
Still works against mass air, since they still stack up
yea the only logic I can think of is "O shit my Broodlords are stuck outside by them selves, the stalkers are going to kill them." But that was really stupid yea. Maybe he felt the units he had were beefy enough to trade effectively enough for him to remax and win.
Im 99 percent sure thats what he would tell you, they moved in to late for it to be a "miscontrol" it was a conscious decision. IT was the wrong one.
On December 05 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote: That is just plain out imbalanced .. should be nerfed totally in my opinion. You can expect the Zerg to split up forces a bit, but just not in every situation and after that he can't do shit about it. Not an imbalance whine as I'm Terran, but I still think it shouldnt work like that
If you're talking about the mothership, I don't agree at all. Please, try to imagine a composition that would allow the protoss to win in that situation. He has the same economy, the same supply, the same upgrades...except there is no army composition that can allow him to win without vortexing. Losira threw his army in the vortex in addition lol, he suicided himself.
Yes - and now think about what just happened. If you say without the mothership he cannot win the game and with the mothership he can win the situation and DOESNT LIKE A SINGLE UNIT basically ... now you are telling me thats fine :o?
On December 05 2011 20:53 hewley wrote: Losira panicked when he saw his broodlords undefended when his corruptors went into the vortex. Still a major mental choke T_T
I think this is what happened.. can't explain it any other way. Sad
Well, perhaps due to the cloaking from the mothership, Losira didn't know there were archons in the army.
Although this is unlikely considering he was already dodging storms (archons morph faster than a vortex takes to expire)
On December 05 2011 20:53 hewley wrote: Losira panicked when he saw his broodlords undefended when his corruptors went into the vortex. Still a major mental choke T_T
I think this is what happened.. can't explain it any other way. Sad
Damn Nazgul I see you post throughout the day everywhere do you never sleep!
On December 05 2011 20:54 Toppp wrote: Losiria would have one shotted the mothership with all those corrupters if he moved them forward before the Vortex
That's what he tried to do, but vortex out-ranges corruptors...
False...
Losira attack 2 times the mothership, it was in the yellow when he casted the Vortex...
I know quality is bad but you still could see
The mistake was on Losiras side... I mean 15 broodlord in 1 vortex...
On December 05 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote: That is just plain out imbalanced .. should be nerfed totally in my opinion. You can expect the Zerg to split up forces a bit, but just not in every situation and after that he can't do shit about it. Not an imbalance whine as I'm Terran, but I still think it shouldnt work like that
It's pretty much the only time in the game Zerg has to micro. It's fine.
rofl. Because a single spell should destroy an entire army right?
What losira did was the equivalent of move commanding into banelings, sorry
of course it was a stupid move by losira, but seriously a single spell has the capability to destroy an entire army.
So you're saying banelings and nukes are overpowered. Okay.
Gotta admit that banelings and nukes are far more easily avoidable.
On December 05 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote: That is just plain out imbalanced .. should be nerfed totally in my opinion. You can expect the Zerg to split up forces a bit, but just not in every situation and after that he can't do shit about it. Not an imbalance whine as I'm Terran, but I still think it shouldnt work like that
If you're talking about the mothership, I don't agree at all. Please, try to imagine a composition that would allow the protoss to win in that situation. He has the same economy, the same supply, the same upgrades...except there is no army composition that can allow him to win without vortexing. Losira threw his army in the vortex in addition lol, he suicided himself.
Void ray colossus stalker high templar is the strongest lategame PvZ composition. For Losira's basically only corrupter /broodlord a lower colo higher void ray composition would do it. (Void rays counter broods and corrupters, yay!)
Also, lol at Khaldor recommending neural parasite. Good luck landing your range 7 NP on a mothership back up by a protoss death ball, hahahhahahhahhaa.
On December 05 2011 20:52 Alric wrote: Actually I'm surprised that Brown didn't throw some voids in there. Obviously they're good against broods but they're really strong against the zerg dedicated air-to-air unit (go figure).
Voids really aren't a good option against broods. Yeah they are good against broodlords, but they get slaughtered by corruptors, because you simply cannot keep up with the void production vs corruptor production and therefore waste a lot of ressources on a couple of units that are destined to die.
EPT
