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On December 03 2011 20:17 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:14 tomwizz wrote:
I hope one day we will have a foreigner go to kiss that trophy on stage.
that will be legend. With 12 GSL titles a year, (seriously way too much) I would be disappointed if a foreigner didn't win a single title in 2012. With Naniwa, Idra, Huk, Sase, Demuslim(?) and Morrow competing, I'm expecting that title.
There are less than 12 GSLs. They take breaks. This one is GSL #7 for 2011. If you count WC and Super Tournament, there were only 9 GSLs this year.
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Wow. Did not see that coming.
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On December 03 2011 20:12 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:11 Bengui wrote:On December 03 2011 20:09 Yaki wrote:On December 03 2011 20:08 Bengui wrote:On December 03 2011 20:04 mordk wrote:On December 03 2011 20:03 Scribble wrote:On December 03 2011 20:00 OneOddOrange wrote:I hope Leenock doesn't go the way of Top, Rain, Inca, ect..  The thing is, Leenock is actually a great player. GSL finalist curse is strong man. July, MKP and MMA are still there... MMA even won a GSL after losing in the ST finals. don't forget LosirA Fuck. Guilty :/ Some part of my brain doesn't want to remember  Glad i'm not the only one who forgets that GSL. It wasn't pretty at all. At least the Inca one was memorable thanks to the DTs. But the Losira one was pitiful.
Inca's one was memorable for being hilarously bad thanks to Inca's inspired DTs play.
Nestea vs Losira actually had some nice games.
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On December 03 2011 20:19 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:17 niteReloaded wrote:On December 03 2011 20:14 tomwizz wrote:
I hope one day we will have a foreigner go to kiss that trophy on stage.
that will be legend. With 12 GSL titles a year, (seriously way too much) I would be disappointed if a foreigner didn't win a single title in 2012. With Naniwa, Idra, Huk, Sase, Demuslim(?) and Morrow competing, I'm expecting that title. There are less than 12 GSLs. They take breaks. This one is GSL #7 for 2011. If you count WC and Super Tournament, there were only 9 GSLs this year.
I think a foreigner will NEVER win the GSL. Koreans with preparation time are too godly. This is why foreigners look competitive on MLGs and such tournaments, but when koreans are prepared foreigners just can't beat them.
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On December 03 2011 20:19 1ManArmy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
korean terrans are on an entirely different level than foreign terrans. i dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing but it's depressing to me. The only foreign terrans that could change this in my opinion are guys like Thorzain,Demuslim and Jinro. At the other side, we have some sick foreign protosses and zergs
Jinro's been in Korea for over a year now. Why the hell hasn't he gotten back into Code A yet.
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On December 03 2011 20:20 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:19 pdd wrote:On December 03 2011 20:17 niteReloaded wrote:On December 03 2011 20:14 tomwizz wrote:
I hope one day we will have a foreigner go to kiss that trophy on stage.
that will be legend. With 12 GSL titles a year, (seriously way too much) I would be disappointed if a foreigner didn't win a single title in 2012. With Naniwa, Idra, Huk, Sase, Demuslim(?) and Morrow competing, I'm expecting that title. There are less than 12 GSLs. They take breaks. This one is GSL #7 for 2011. If you count WC and Super Tournament, there were only 9 GSLs this year. I think a foreigner will NEVER win the GSL. Koreans with preparation time are too godly. This is why foreigners look competitive on MLGs and such tournaments, but when koreans are prepared foreigners just can't beat them.
Idra, Jinro and more recently Huk all had some pretty deep runs in the GSL...
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It will be kind of scary and sad if ForGG just crushes his way to the GSL finals. It would be premature to have the finals that ushered in the era of players with BW experience to be eclipsed by a harbinger of the best of the BW pros possibly making a switch.
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On December 03 2011 20:20 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:12 Goibon wrote:On December 03 2011 20:11 Bengui wrote:On December 03 2011 20:09 Yaki wrote:On December 03 2011 20:08 Bengui wrote:On December 03 2011 20:04 mordk wrote:On December 03 2011 20:03 Scribble wrote:On December 03 2011 20:00 OneOddOrange wrote:I hope Leenock doesn't go the way of Top, Rain, Inca, ect.. The thing is, Leenock is actually a great player. GSL finalist curse is strong man. July, MKP and MMA are still there... MMA even won a GSL after losing in the ST finals. don't forget LosirA Fuck. Guilty :/ Some part of my brain doesn't want to remember Glad i'm not the only one who forgets that GSL. It wasn't pretty at all. At least the Inca one was memorable thanks to the DTs. But the Losira one was pitiful. Inca's one was memorable for being hilarously bad thanks to Inca's inspired DTs play. Nestea vs Losira actually had some nice games.
Ahh you remember it more fondly than i do then. I usually like ZvZ but i found that series to be a slow painful death.
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On December 03 2011 20:19 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:17 niteReloaded wrote:On December 03 2011 20:14 tomwizz wrote:
I hope one day we will have a foreigner go to kiss that trophy on stage.
that will be legend. With 12 GSL titles a year, (seriously way too much) I would be disappointed if a foreigner didn't win a single title in 2012. With Naniwa, Idra, Huk, Sase, Demuslim(?) and Morrow competing, I'm expecting that title. There are less than 12 GSLs. They take breaks. This one is GSL #7 for 2011. If you count WC and Super Tournament, there were only 9 GSLs this year.
Just having watched Leenock vs Jjakji . . . I would be so surprised if a foreigner wins GSL in 2012.
Maybe if a foreigner invited to Code A actually manages to win a few games . . . . but that's been rare.
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On December 03 2011 20:22 Bengui wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:20 mordk wrote:On December 03 2011 20:19 pdd wrote:On December 03 2011 20:17 niteReloaded wrote:On December 03 2011 20:14 tomwizz wrote:
I hope one day we will have a foreigner go to kiss that trophy on stage.
that will be legend. With 12 GSL titles a year, (seriously way too much) I would be disappointed if a foreigner didn't win a single title in 2012. With Naniwa, Idra, Huk, Sase, Demuslim(?) and Morrow competing, I'm expecting that title. There are less than 12 GSLs. They take breaks. This one is GSL #7 for 2011. If you count WC and Super Tournament, there were only 9 GSLs this year. I think a foreigner will NEVER win the GSL. Koreans with preparation time are too godly. This is why foreigners look competitive on MLGs and such tournaments, but when koreans are prepared foreigners just can't beat them. Idra, Jinro and more recently Huk all had some pretty deep runs in the GSL...
Yeah, but they won't win it, imo.
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On December 03 2011 20:20 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:19 pdd wrote:On December 03 2011 20:17 niteReloaded wrote:On December 03 2011 20:14 tomwizz wrote:
I hope one day we will have a foreigner go to kiss that trophy on stage.
that will be legend. With 12 GSL titles a year, (seriously way too much) I would be disappointed if a foreigner didn't win a single title in 2012. With Naniwa, Idra, Huk, Sase, Demuslim(?) and Morrow competing, I'm expecting that title. There are less than 12 GSLs. They take breaks. This one is GSL #7 for 2011. If you count WC and Super Tournament, there were only 9 GSLs this year. I think a foreigner will NEVER win the GSL. Koreans with preparation time are too godly. This is why foreigners look competitive on MLGs and such tournaments, but when koreans are prepared foreigners just can't beat them.
Well, that and the fact that when you go to GSL there's literally 5x more koreans in the pool. The players that are being sent to MLG and other tournaments are only a small fraction of korea, and although they're all pretty good, they have to start from the bottom and usually knock each other out.
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On December 03 2011 20:22 Bengui wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:20 mordk wrote:On December 03 2011 20:19 pdd wrote:On December 03 2011 20:17 niteReloaded wrote:On December 03 2011 20:14 tomwizz wrote:
I hope one day we will have a foreigner go to kiss that trophy on stage.
that will be legend. With 12 GSL titles a year, (seriously way too much) I would be disappointed if a foreigner didn't win a single title in 2012. With Naniwa, Idra, Huk, Sase, Demuslim(?) and Morrow competing, I'm expecting that title. There are less than 12 GSLs. They take breaks. This one is GSL #7 for 2011. If you count WC and Super Tournament, there were only 9 GSLs this year. I think a foreigner will NEVER win the GSL. Koreans with preparation time are too godly. This is why foreigners look competitive on MLGs and such tournaments, but when koreans are prepared foreigners just can't beat them. Idra, Jinro and more recently Huk all had some pretty deep runs in the GSL...
Yeah but idra and jinro did it at at a time when the gap was still pretty close. The gap has widened significantly since then.
Huk i don't even know if he can possibly get out of code A now, hes facing mvpkeen whos a pretty damn good tvper.
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Jjakji's own father awarding the check/trophy...such a beautiful moment!
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On December 03 2011 20:19 1ManArmy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
korean terrans are on an entirely different level than foreign terrans. i dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing but it's depressing to me. The only foreign terrans that could change this in my opinion are guys like Thorzain,Demuslim and Jinro. At the other side, we have some sick foreign protosses and zergs
Maybe Thorzain but he's not particularly consistent and seems to really struggle with Z. Jinro's stuck in the Code B wilderness and given the amount of stupidly good players there are still kicking around there I'm not sure if he'll be able to break back through. Demuslim is definitely not close.
Foreign Terrans just don't stack up for whatever reason, our toss and zerg are much closer to their KR counterparts.
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On December 03 2011 20:21 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:19 1ManArmy wrote:On December 03 2011 20:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
korean terrans are on an entirely different level than foreign terrans. i dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing but it's depressing to me. The only foreign terrans that could change this in my opinion are guys like Thorzain,Demuslim and Jinro. At the other side, we have some sick foreign protosses and zergs Jinro's been in Korea for over a year now. Why the hell hasn't he gotten back into Code A yet.
he lost a pretty close series yo minseok in his final prelim
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On December 03 2011 20:20 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:19 pdd wrote:On December 03 2011 20:17 niteReloaded wrote:On December 03 2011 20:14 tomwizz wrote:
I hope one day we will have a foreigner go to kiss that trophy on stage.
that will be legend. With 12 GSL titles a year, (seriously way too much) I would be disappointed if a foreigner didn't win a single title in 2012. With Naniwa, Idra, Huk, Sase, Demuslim(?) and Morrow competing, I'm expecting that title. There are less than 12 GSLs. They take breaks. This one is GSL #7 for 2011. If you count WC and Super Tournament, there were only 9 GSLs this year. I think a foreigner will NEVER win the GSL. Koreans with preparation time are too godly. This is why foreigners look competitive on MLGs and such tournaments, but when koreans are prepared foreigners just can't beat them.
Foreigners look competitive in MLG because most of the top koreans are in the open bracket honestly.
We will see with the format change.
And I don't see how a foreigner could win a GSL since there are twice as more koreans who are as good or better than the foreign ones in the GSL :s. But I think that a foreigner in ro4 is very possible, in the final it may but winning it I don't think so.
MorroW looks scary tho, I didn't see the games between him and MaNa but 3-0ing him is not easy task, he should be a total monster after being in korea for several months :D
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On December 03 2011 20:24 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:19 1ManArmy wrote:On December 03 2011 20:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
korean terrans are on an entirely different level than foreign terrans. i dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing but it's depressing to me. The only foreign terrans that could change this in my opinion are guys like Thorzain,Demuslim and Jinro. At the other side, we have some sick foreign protosses and zergs Maybe Thorzain but he's not particularly consistent and seems to really struggle with Z. Jinro's stuck in the Code B wilderness and given the amount of stupidly good players there are still kicking around there I'm not sure if he'll be able to break back through. Demuslim is definitely not close. Foreign Terrans just don't stack up for whatever reason, our toss and zerg are much closer to their KR counterparts.
I don't think thorzain can do it. He did pretty well in his time in korea but his record wasn't anything close to code S standard. I think he will be a code A player in korea if he stayed there.
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On December 03 2011 20:24 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:19 1ManArmy wrote:On December 03 2011 20:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
korean terrans are on an entirely different level than foreign terrans. i dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing but it's depressing to me. The only foreign terrans that could change this in my opinion are guys like Thorzain,Demuslim and Jinro. At the other side, we have some sick foreign protosses and zergs Maybe Thorzain but he's not particularly consistent and seems to really struggle with Z. Jinro's stuck in the Code B wilderness and given the amount of stupidly good players there are still kicking around there I'm not sure if he'll be able to break back through. Demuslim is definitely not close. Foreign Terrans just don't stack up for whatever reason, our toss and zerg are much closer to their KR counterparts.
I can't imagine any code S terran putting up the results that thorzain does in foreign tournaments. Look at all the korean terrans that travel around and they always put up results (unless they meet another korean). Thorzain is on the second page of TLPD as well. Code A terran seems rather weak though.
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On December 03 2011 20:24 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:19 1ManArmy wrote:On December 03 2011 20:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
korean terrans are on an entirely different level than foreign terrans. i dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing but it's depressing to me. The only foreign terrans that could change this in my opinion are guys like Thorzain,Demuslim and Jinro. At the other side, we have some sick foreign protosses and zergs Maybe Thorzain but he's not particularly consistent and seems to really struggle with Z. Jinro's stuck in the Code B wilderness and given the amount of stupidly good players there are still kicking around there I'm not sure if he'll be able to break back through. Demuslim is definitely not close. Foreign Terrans just don't stack up for whatever reason, our toss and zerg are much closer to their KR counterparts.
I think it's because KR terrans are generally better than KR protoss and zerg, barring exceptions. Not because foreigner Protoss and Zerg are better than foreigner terrans.
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On December 03 2011 20:24 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 20:19 1ManArmy wrote:On December 03 2011 20:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
korean terrans are on an entirely different level than foreign terrans. i dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing but it's depressing to me. The only foreign terrans that could change this in my opinion are guys like Thorzain,Demuslim and Jinro. At the other side, we have some sick foreign protosses and zergs Maybe Thorzain but he's not particularly consistent and seems to really struggle with Z. Jinro's stuck in the Code B wilderness and given the amount of stupidly good players there are still kicking around there I'm not sure if he'll be able to break back through. Demuslim is definitely not close. Foreign Terrans just don't stack up for whatever reason, our toss and zerg are much closer to their KR counterparts.
I think its reason to reventure the arguement that Terran scales best with skill :p. Its not like terrans are ripping face in Code Aeither anymore. Its just the really hot ones that are managing, I mean theres a healthy amount but yeah.
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