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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15728 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4101
On November 27 2011 03:12 _Repo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:11 TheBB wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:09 GreenAndOrangeTurtle wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote:
I hate this whole
"oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1)
HE PLAYS TO WIN
The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart.
Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?

If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win.


He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste.


MorroW used 5RR too much.

MC used 6gate blink too much.

etc.

It's called winning

Exactly. Its a tournament not a popularity contest. Who cares how you win as long a you do it

Here on the forums, it is a popularity contest. I care how people win, it determines who I cheer for.


I am sure puma will be heart broken that some kid on a forum is not rooting for him


Everyone on SOTG has actually said that popularity has a really big impact on the career of a player
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4102
God I hope Nightend kills him with an all in.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4103
On November 27 2011 03:12 trinxified wrote:
only 1 stream is active now?


Yes all games on one stream rotating casters
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4104
On November 27 2011 03:13 ambrosiaa wrote:
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On November 27 2011 03:12 Mozdk wrote:
Why bm Puma for doing 1-1-1? It's part of the game. Just like cannon rush and 6 pool. Stop whining and enjoy the games.

its not even like 6 pooling or canon rushing. 111 takes a ton more skill to execute and gives your opponent lots more time to react.


Thank you : ]. Agree with this 100%
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4105
On November 27 2011 03:13 TheRooster wrote:
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On November 27 2011 03:09 bubl100500 wrote:
I've never seen 1base collosi win against 1-1-1, especially when it's done by Puma.

well I have never seen anyone win over puma when he 1-1-1's....... He got the best 1-1-1 in the world ezpz

How did MC finallly beat Puma when he did 1-1-1?
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Mekebra
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden109 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4106
Love seeing people diss the casters for their opinions on builds.
Because, let's face it, those guys don't see Nearly as many professional games as you do right?

That's why you're the one who's paid to watch and talk about it.....
Oh wait.
Nein!!
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4107
On November 27 2011 03:12 _Repo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:11 TheBB wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:09 GreenAndOrangeTurtle wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote:
I hate this whole
"oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1)
HE PLAYS TO WIN
The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart.
Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?

If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win.


He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste.


MorroW used 5RR too much.

MC used 6gate blink too much.

etc.

It's called winning

Exactly. Its a tournament not a popularity contest. Who cares how you win as long a you do it

Here on the forums, it is a popularity contest. I care how people win, it determines who I cheer for.


I am sure puma will be heart broken that some kid on a forum is not rooting for him


I bet you Puma's heart breaks when he compares his check against Idra's.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4108
On November 27 2011 03:11 HolydaKing wrote:
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On November 27 2011 03:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:09 Coolhwip wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:08 DoubleDouble wrote:
why would you ever go collosus over immortals against 1-1-1


To kill marines?


marines arent even the unit that makes 1-1-1 strong.

Uhh they play a big role. They do so much damage...


You could go pure blink stalker if there was no marines and anihilate the push.
If they got a raven, you go pure air and gg.

Marines are fearsome.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4109
So I went to look at puma's win % in TvP and holy shit.....his lowest matchup is 62%. what a beast :O
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 18:15:16
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4110
On November 27 2011 03:12 DoubleDouble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:11 HolydaKing wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:11 DoubleDouble wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:09 Coolhwip wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:08 DoubleDouble wrote:
why would you ever go collosus over immortals against 1-1-1


To kill marines?


marines arent even the unit that makes 1-1-1 strong.

Uhh they play a big role. They do so much damage...

they arent the backbone of the build they can be picked off by gateway units. dealing with tanks is almost priority

that's true, however it depends... i've seen games where all units got killed aside from a shit ton of marines and then the protoss was dead as well. same goes for banshee, but tanks only won't be enough most of the time.

but yeah, they are still the first focus as they do so much damage specially on stalkers
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4111
omg puma cc first noob cheesy terran...
IM & EG supporter
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4112
Whats this? An expansion by Puma????

User was warned for this post
I'm a gooner.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4113
On November 27 2011 03:13 ambrosiaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:12 Mozdk wrote:
Why bm Puma for doing 1-1-1? It's part of the game. Just like cannon rush and 6 pool. Stop whining and enjoy the games.

its not even like 6 pooling or canon rushing. 111 takes a ton more skill to execute and gives your opponent lots more time to react.

That's not true.1-1-1 is nothing like 6-pool or cannon rushing.
Cackle™
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4114
Puma 1-1-1 80% of the time against toss. Almost all maps except Taldarim
thirnaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden876 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4115
On November 27 2011 03:13 Skyline026 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:11 Tantaburs wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:10 Skyline026 wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:08 BronzeKnee wrote:
I've tried one base Colossus so many times, and it doesn't work at all vs the 1-1-1.



Ok bronze.

Ill make sure everybody gets the memo.


Multiple pros have said that one base collosus does not counter 1-1-1



There is no 100% counter.

So its pretty easy declaring a single build not being a counter.
Puma has been 1/1/1ing for so long vs toss, and i have yet to see someone stop it even half the time.

Has anyone ever thought about the fact that PuMa wins because he is...better?:OO

Just a random thought people should think about
SlayerS_MMA and TL #1
sigm
Profile Joined December 2010
192 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4116
Just tuned in, what's the thing with the pulse readings? Are the organisers afraid the players might get a heart attack or something?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 26 2011 18:14 GMT
#4117
On November 27 2011 03:13 mTw|NarutO wrote:
I'm waiting for people calling PuMa a cheesy ass for CC first now.


he so greedy! grab your pitch forks! O:
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
November 26 2011 18:15 GMT
#4118
This game 4 seems like it's going to be a macro game :[....... PuMa...... WE NEED EMPS/VIKINGS
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
November 26 2011 18:15 GMT
#4119
On November 27 2011 03:13 Skyline026 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:11 Tantaburs wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:10 Skyline026 wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:08 BronzeKnee wrote:
I've tried one base Colossus so many times, and it doesn't work at all vs the 1-1-1.



Ok bronze.

Ill make sure everybody gets the memo.


Multiple pros have said that one base collosus does not counter 1-1-1



There is no 100% counter.

So its pretty easy declaring a single build not being a counter.
Puma has been 1/1/1ing for so long vs toss, and i have yet to see someone stop it even half the time.


I don't get what your arguement is.

Artosis says one base collo is a BO win
Forum poster says that Artosis is wrong
You call him a bronze player
I tell you pros agree with him
You agree with me?


"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
November 26 2011 18:15 GMT
#4120
On November 27 2011 03:14 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
people that hate on 1-1-1 are just mad/jealous/retarded..

Yes, people are jealous of a build. Gee, I sure would love to be a 1-1-1, instead I'm just a shitty 1rax expand.

obviously he meant jealous of the player who can win with it.
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