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On November 27 2011 03:11 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 03:09 GreenAndOrangeTurtle wrote:On November 27 2011 03:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote: I hate this whole "oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1) HE PLAYS TO WIN The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart. Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?
If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win. He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste. MorroW used 5RR too much. MC used 6gate blink too much. etc. It's called winning Exactly. Its a tournament not a popularity contest. Who cares how you win as long a you do it Here on the forums, it is a popularity contest. I care how people win, it determines who I cheer for.
I am sure puma will be heart broken that some kid on a forum is not rooting for him
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On November 27 2011 03:09 masterbreti wrote: sigh 1-1-1 even though I play Terran, just depresses me that he uses a build that so many people dislike so often. Its like cannon rushing. Yeah its valid but its sort of unfair. No, late game TvP is a joke right now and any Terran who allows the game to get there deserves to lose. Puma's a pro, his job is to win.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 27 2011 03:10 Beardedclam wrote: Why does Artosis still think 1 base is good vs 1-1-1 lol? I think a lot of these guys are still stuck in bw mode..where 1 base protoss would be in a good position to stop any like 2 factory aggression from terran..i dont know. thats my only guess.
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only 1 stream is active now?
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hopefully a back and forth macro-game now gogo NightEnd, please make it to a great 5th game.
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Puma just showed us how to own up 1 base colossi with 1/1/1. You can't deal with the banshees and marines at the same time. Being forced to make stalkers all the time (you can only support 3 stalkers on 1 base) means you can't make enough colossi and sentries anyway. I would like to see how someone fends off 4! banshees with only 2 geysers whilst still making colossi.
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Puma's support gone down significantly due to him using a 1-1-1 :D
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On November 27 2011 03:09 bubl100500 wrote: I've never seen 1base collosi win against 1-1-1, especially when it's done by Puma. well I have never seen anyone win over puma when he 1-1-1's....... He got the best 1-1-1 in the world ezpz
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On November 27 2011 03:12 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 03:11 syllogism wrote: Haha puma does like the first one base build in the whole tournament and the tears start falling It is because people can be sure to see a 1/1/1 out of puma in a Bo3/5/7 or whatever vs a P at least one. I can see a 2base 7gate blink stalker allin out of MC in every BoX PvZ, do people shit on him?
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On November 27 2011 03:12 Whole wrote: his name isnt pewma
That is the correct way to say puma by the way
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i love seeing puls so epic but where comes the fan support from ?
On November 27 2011 03:12 mlspmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 03:09 masterbreti wrote: sigh 1-1-1 even though I play Terran, just depresses me that he uses a build that so many people dislike so often. Its like cannon rushing. Yeah its valid but its sort of unfair. No, late game TvP is a joke right now and any Terran who allows the game to get there deserves to lose. Puma's a pro, his job is to win.
you troll right ?
oh god when i see some progamer lategame tvp when terran have 20 ghosts ... i cant see any "joke" when the protoss get roflstomped
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On November 27 2011 03:12 Mozdk wrote: Why bm Puma for doing 1-1-1? It's part of the game. Just like cannon rush and 6 pool. Stop whining and enjoy the games. its not even like 6 pooling or canon rushing. 111 takes a ton more skill to execute and gives your opponent lots more time to react.
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On November 27 2011 03:11 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 03:10 Skyline026 wrote:On November 27 2011 03:08 BronzeKnee wrote: I've tried one base Colossus so many times, and it doesn't work at all vs the 1-1-1. Ok bronze. Ill make sure everybody gets the memo. Multiple pros have said that one base collosus does not counter 1-1-1
There is no 100% counter.
So its pretty easy declaring a single build not being a counter. Puma has been 1/1/1ing for so long vs toss, and i have yet to see someone stop it even half the time.
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On November 27 2011 03:11 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 03:09 Badfatpanda wrote:On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote: I hate this whole "oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1) HE PLAYS TO WIN The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart. Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?
If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win. He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste. once in a tournament= too much people love MC and Naama when they allin, double standards are kool double standard seems to apply for you as well because you only seem to consider this tournament, but let me tell you that puma used 1/1/1 against genius as well and remember IEM vs mc? 3 games 1/1/1 in a row.
That's not a double standard, it's biased sample.
You wanna talk about games that took place 5 months ago when the TvP meta has changed a ton in the last 2 months OK
People still bitch every time he 1/1/1 even though he hasn't used it in barely any of his games in the past 1-2 months lol.
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I'm waiting for people calling PuMa a cheesy ass for CC first now.
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On November 27 2011 03:12 _Repo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 03:11 TheBB wrote:On November 27 2011 03:09 GreenAndOrangeTurtle wrote:On November 27 2011 03:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote: I hate this whole "oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1) HE PLAYS TO WIN The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart. Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?
If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win. He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste. MorroW used 5RR too much. MC used 6gate blink too much. etc. It's called winning Exactly. Its a tournament not a popularity contest. Who cares how you win as long a you do it Here on the forums, it is a popularity contest. I care how people win, it determines who I cheer for. I am sure puma will be heart broken that some kid on a forum is not rooting for him  I don't care... but I, and everyone else here, are perfectly entitled to hold opinions on entertaining play, and to base their support on it.
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On November 27 2011 03:09 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote: I hate this whole "oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1) HE PLAYS TO WIN The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart. Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?
If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win. He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste. once in a tournament= too much people love MC and Naama when they allin, double standards are kool
He's still the only Terran using it often after Immortal buff. I don't have any problems with it, but i can understand people don't like Puma because of that.
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wtf they're measuring the players pulse in game?
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On November 27 2011 03:10 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote: I hate this whole "oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1) HE PLAYS TO WIN The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart. Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?
If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win. What a silly post. I decide who I support, and I enjoy certain types of games. I support players who play in ways I enjoy, and I don't support players who don't. I support Hero because he plays in such an exciting and aggressive way. If I thought the 1-1-1 is imbalanced (and I played Terran) I would use it. But I wouldn't have any right to argue with people who wouldn't become my fan.
You don't have to like him obviously, but this unbridled hate because he plays to win and not to entertain is rather annoying. (Not referencing you per say, but the stupid idiots with the one liners about puma sucking or being cheesy, etc)
A lot of other players should have more haters, but people purposely point Puma out because of 1-1-1.
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On November 27 2011 03:12 AgentChaos wrote: people that hate on 1-1-1 are just mad/jealous/retarded.. Yes, people are jealous of a build. Gee, I sure would love to be a 1-1-1, instead I'm just a shitty 1rax expand.
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