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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2201
standard speedpool from lucky, naniwa 1gate tech
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2202
Was rooting for Naniwa until I remembered I voted against him in liquibet... Still rooting for him though.
Logic is Overrated
whirlpool
Profile Joined June 2011
2788 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2203
naniwa made mistake on the 1st banelings engagement he should've land storms on the banelings which killed his colossi.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2204
On November 14 2011 20:52 poorcloud wrote:
You need insane amount of archons + stalkers + colossus to combat a resource intensive army like that.
Not mass stalkers alone. We need to see more protosses do this.


yes, this is the same thing naniwa did the last time these guys played.

and he could've definitely done something besides engaging head on like that. it just doesn't work...
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2205
On November 14 2011 20:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 20:51 SuperStyle wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:49 Plexa wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:48 Kiarip wrote:
Killing 3 zerg bases is np when you have broodlords

It's np when the P army consists of really really weak units. Without VR/Mothership/something expensive you just can't deal with that many BLs

Weak ? colossus, archons, HT and far far ahead in upgrades, how is that weak ? only other t3 unit he was missing is carrier which is shit.
What the guy you quote said is true and you know it.

Note how Naniwa was crushing when he had Colossus/Templar/Archons etc...
Then when he lost them all, he only made stalkers - THAT was the problem.


the problem is not making stalkers, the problem is having time to make anything else :\\\
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2206
I think the only time Naniwa could have won was to blink his stalkers and kill the first set of BL's that were morphing at Lucky's natural. With that Stalker count he would have had enough to fight against the Mutas.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2207
naniwa not scouting and not walling off
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2208
On November 14 2011 20:52 Rebs wrote:
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On November 14 2011 20:49 pPingu wrote:
How did lucky win with no upgrades?


Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 20:49 Plexa wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:48 Kiarip wrote:
Killing 3 zerg bases is np when you have broodlords

It's np when the P army consists of really really weak units. Without VR/Mothership/something expensive you just can't deal with that many BLs


thats why.. imagine 3-3 sentrys against 0-0 marauders.



sentries would rape them lol
Grubby - SaSe - Oz - Hero
Miraju
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany235 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2209
On November 14 2011 20:51 Hierarch wrote:
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On November 14 2011 20:50 stonetalon wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:48 RowdierBob wrote:
Damn that's a tough unit combo for toss to beat...

How do you take on mass BL/muta/bane like that?

........vortex? can't think of anything else, maybe perfect storms but if the zerg is good you wont get those off with BL's targeting the HT's.


Archon/stalker/voidray and you won't even break a sweat


hahaha you need to remember you cant produce 10 voids at once hahaa
can you dig it, SUCKAAAAA?
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2210
On November 14 2011 20:51 SuperStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 20:49 Plexa wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:48 Kiarip wrote:
Killing 3 zerg bases is np when you have broodlords

It's np when the P army consists of really really weak units. Without VR/Mothership/something expensive you just can't deal with that many BLs

Weak ? colossus, archons, HT and far far ahead in upgrades, how is that weak ? only other t3 unit he was missing is carrier which is shit.
What the guy you quote said is true and you know it.


collosii totally hardcounter broodlords, it wasnt as much about how strong or weak the units are in themselves then they were to the comp that lucky massed.
hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 11:54:21
November 14 2011 11:53 GMT
#2211
On November 14 2011 20:52 Qikz wrote:
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On November 14 2011 20:51 KristianJS wrote:
That's a harsh unit comp by Lucky. Try to blink into broodlords? Get owned by banelings. Try to run away? Get fungald.


Now you know how Terrans feel against Broods. :p


Ghosts? Vikings? You already have reactored starport you can start that production way easier.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2212
On November 14 2011 20:52 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 20:51 KristianJS wrote:
That's a harsh unit comp by Lucky. Try to blink into broodlords? Get owned by banelings. Try to run away? Get fungald.


Now you know how Terrans feel against Broods. :p



Hah, true, but I hear Ghost Snipe is pretty good
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2213
On November 14 2011 20:52 Skamtet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:51 KristianJS wrote:
That's a harsh unit comp by Lucky. Try to blink into broodlords? Get owned by banelings. Try to run away? Get fungald.


Now you know how Terrans feel against Broods. :p
Make Ghosts, outrange everything.


Plexa is here, or I would consider joining in

Wish he did get Stargates out though after his 4th was up. He was the BLs coming, but didn't react the best way imo
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2214
On November 14 2011 20:52 Bocian wrote:
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On November 14 2011 20:49 Iamyournoob wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:48 mango_destroyer wrote:
damn lucky is good


What did he exactly do that causes you to make this statement? And yes, this a serious question I ask.


Lucky denied early aggression very well, he harassed a lot and didn't lose to many units (once he flew mutas next to the stalkers) and his positioning during the big fights was really good. It's really not that easy.


yeah i really really liked what lucky did that game for the most part. there were a couple questionable moments, mostly weird baneling related mishaps, but i just really dig the way he played zvp that game, i wasnt expecting much from him cuz i wasnt that impressed with him at ipl, but damn this guy could be sick with enough practice.
http://www.twitch.tv/corpsep0se
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2215
If a P goes so late into a PvZ without starports, I think trying to snipe the greater spire with WP or something might be an interesting route.

But in hindsight, Nani's best chance in that game would've been to A-move into that natural and main as the BLs were morphing IMO. Ideally, he would've been able to push like 3/4 into the completion of greater spire.
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2216
Nani was looking alright there for a while, but that Hive Tech just did him in.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13303 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2217
Oh man, why are maps like Crossfire still in the map pool?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2218
Looking bad for Naniwa already. :/
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2219
On November 14 2011 20:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 20:51 SuperStyle wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:49 Plexa wrote:
On November 14 2011 20:48 Kiarip wrote:
Killing 3 zerg bases is np when you have broodlords

It's np when the P army consists of really really weak units. Without VR/Mothership/something expensive you just can't deal with that many BLs

Weak ? colossus, archons, HT and far far ahead in upgrades, how is that weak ? only other t3 unit he was missing is carrier which is shit.
What the guy you quote said is true and you know it.

Note how Naniwa was crushing when he had Colossus/Templar/Archons etc...
Then when he lost them all, he only made stalkers - THAT was the problem.


He also only had 1 group of templars that game, really. He didn't have any building up energy until he was retreating, some time after his archives was done. And during the course of the big battle at the end, he didn't make any additonal HTs
aka ilovesharkpeople
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
November 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#2220
Oh god Nani T_________T
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