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On November 01 2011 19:32 wxwx wrote:
Why do you attack a terran with no sentries? That's like crossing your fingers "derp hope this random terran is slow on his scv repair". But this is not the no-name terran you're playing on ladder, MC. This is fucking MMA, the reigning champion. I am really disappointed..
I think he was trying to do a super fast 2 base 4gate pressure, adding sentries would mean he'd need to add extra gasses, thus delaying his push by that much more.
That being said, I'm not sold on that pressure really doing much damage in many situations I can think of
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MC could have gone into the mid-game with a puncher's shot at least against MMA. MC just shot himself in the foot going all in with no hand.
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On November 01 2011 19:34 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 19:33 Probe1 wrote:On November 01 2011 19:30 Probe1 wrote:3:00 15h for YugiOh, Rax-CC for Ryung. 5:30 Ryung starts producing reactored hellions while teching further to starports and KILLS AN INNOCENT AUTOMATRON. Yugioh is in pure drone mode and his lair finishes. 8:00 Yugiohs spire and baneling nest are both nearing completion but hellions are dropped in the main. Speedlings on creep deny any damage though Ryung saves all but a scouting hellion.
9:45
Mutalisks are out and upgrades are coming up. Yugioh takes his third and macro hatch at the same time while hitting heavy with his mutalisks in the soft spots of Ryungs base.
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On November 01 2011 19:34 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 19:33 LeaD wrote:On November 01 2011 19:30 habbey wrote:On November 01 2011 19:28 LeaD wrote:On November 01 2011 19:26 Onox wrote:On November 01 2011 19:25 LeaD wrote:On November 01 2011 19:24 dooraven wrote:
okay I didn't really understand what MC was doing there Same here. He had three bases and his macro was going well. Why would you all-in with archons against a Terran you know went early ghosts? Three base? no Really? Hmm, guess I wasn't watching the map well. He did have 2 base to 2 base and map control for a bit there, he could have just expanded and made it a macro game. Archons were an awful choice. feel like you weren't watching at all. That's nice. Good post. Anything other than your feelings? It's just funny because mma was clearly on 3 base. didn't notice that planetary at the old gold base location?
I saw MMA on three base fine, I never said he wasn't. The 2 base versus 2 base was before MC made his choice for that all-in. Unless MMA gets to have three bases all game?!?
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On November 01 2011 19:30 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 19:27 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
MC didn't get upgrades / a third because if he would, he would die to MMA's timing. How come this game was out for a year now and 90% of spectators are still so fucking clueless? You don't have to be so rude about it. You absolutely need upgrades to compete in P v T right now, especially if going for mass gateway army composition. MC would have died either ways if he had no upgrades, so why not get them so at least your army can compete. To be fair, MC lost already when he did that delayed 4 gate and lost zealots (using all his chronoboost on his gateways instead of nexus).
Why wouldn't I be rude about it when people post the same bullshit in every single tournament thread?
His initial b/o was inferior because it is impossible for a Protoss to scout in that situation - so he has to flip a coin and do a fast expo that will outright die to anything that isn't a 1rax CC, or go with a safer build that is guaranteed to be behind if MMA goes for a fast expand.
His 4gate pressure was a result of that, as he knew he is behind due to the initial BO's, and tried to catch up (you can say that was a bad decision, I won't disagree with it). As soon as his Zealots died, the game was essentially over, there's nothing else to talk about.
If he does anything but pumping units at that point, he WILL die, he also has very little hope of doing any damage to MMA. Chargelot / Archon is pretty much the only build he could go for there because Colossus would take far too long to tech up to and being behind on bases, + under constant risk of a heavy ghost push... Just no.
So yeah, he died because of the initial 4gate push, because as Protoss, you can't recover from something like that. All the crap about OMG MC WHY NO THIRD OMG WHY NO UPGRADE... Just get out.
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On November 01 2011 19:35 Titorelli wrote:Lol Tasteless never misses an opportunity to criticise the US heath care 
Joke stolen from Dapollo though, he uses it when marines have no medivacs. <3
Esp liked when he used it @ IPL in the US. =D
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Tasteless and Artosis are just so pleasant to listen to
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Ryung has zero army here, he's really doesn't play the matchup well. Yugioh could just trap card him.
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Norway25712 Posts
Ryung seems to be pretty far behind.
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On November 01 2011 19:35 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Why wouldn't I be rude about it when people post the same bullshit in every single tournament thread?
Because no one listens to rude people spewing insults, so unless you're just posting to feel good about yourself, civility will yield better results.
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On November 01 2011 19:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
new slayers build is to go double engi bay now?
That's a MarineKing build. I've never seen him lose a TvZ with that (vs DongRaeGu and vs IdrA), because he's so good with marines. Maybe SlayerS took inspiration in it.
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LOL, Yugioh going full retard
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Norway25712 Posts
Ryung retreating because of mutas. 
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LOL the zerglings attacking the hatch!
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
zerglings attacking the hatch :D
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He's not reacting to the drop. ;__;
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On November 01 2011 19:35 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 19:34 Probe1 wrote:On November 01 2011 19:33 Probe1 wrote:On November 01 2011 19:30 Probe1 wrote:3:00 15h for YugiOh, Rax-CC for Ryung. 5:30 Ryung starts producing reactored hellions while teching further to starports and KILLS AN INNOCENT AUTOMATRON. Yugioh is in pure drone mode and his lair finishes. 8:00 Yugiohs spire and baneling nest are both nearing completion but hellions are dropped in the main. Speedlings on creep deny any damage though Ryung saves all but a scouting hellion. 9:45 Mutalisks are out and upgrades are coming up. Yugioh takes his third and macro hatch at the same time while hitting heavy with his mutalisks in the soft spots of Ryungs base.
11:45
10 more mutas to supplement the 8 that are already out. Ryung is taking his third and fends off a mutalisk flyby. He's continuing to mass mutalisks and starts an infestation pit. Ryung is now starting thor production.
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Despite an overlord literally bumping into a medivac- yugioh misses a drop and decides to counter attack. He trades a few mutalisks for a few turrets and scvs.. he looks nervous but still holds a 20 supply lead.
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On November 01 2011 19:37 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 19:35 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Why wouldn't I be rude about it when people post the same bullshit in every single tournament thread? Because no one listens to rude people spewing insults, so unless you're just posting to feel good about yourself, civility will yield better results.
You mean like all the people going 'herpderp every protoss is an idiot' do?
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