Jinro has expressed repeatedly that he is frustrated by Protoss. If he hasn't drastically improved in the MU, SaSe has a good chance of taking him down.

Cyro

United Kingdom20322 Posts

October 15 2011 16:40 GMT

#1326

On October 16 2011 01:39 StarVe wrote:
I hope SaSe wins against Jinro and gets into the PvP pool. :D

Reserving a "SHIT JUST GOT REAL" quote

eAzydaman

83 Posts

October 15 2011 16:40 GMT

#1327

The stream doesn't work, is the event live yet? I only get the adds.

Baituri

Netherlands1501 Posts

October 15 2011 16:40 GMT

#1328

On October 16 2011 01:38 ohampatu wrote:

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On October 16 2011 01:32 tree.hugger wrote:

On October 16 2011 01:26 ohampatu wrote:
I disagree completely on Stephano/Ret/Nerchio... Im not for sure how you could even name them as top.

Stephano has only ipl 3. Unless he gets more there's just not enough information to put him as a top player.

Ret has the ability to be in that list, but doesn't have the results at all recently, even stephano has more results than ret. (just because he is doing good in pool play really doesn't mean anything).

Nerchio doesn't have LAN results. Enough Said.

Sen and Idra are the onlly zergs i think we can call 'top' right now, with ret narrowing out the 3 id say. Sen is really the only foreigner zerg who deserves to be top right now, all other foreigner zergs are only just now starting to show good promise again (ret recently increasing, idra recently increasing, stephano making a breakthrough).

Instead of talking about top foreigner zerg, since no zerg has really emmerged as the top, i wish we would just all put our hopes on idra/sen/ret/dimaga/stephano and cheer for all instead of comparing so much. None of them are clear winners. At this point in time it doesn't matter who comes out, as long as one or two of them do.

See my response above, results are cute and all, but I think you should be able to determine whether one player is better than the other based on actually watching them play, as opposed to looking at numbers in TLPD. Obviously if a player fails to get results after a while, then it seems like they're doing something wrong, but ideally my thoughts on those players will be proven right in the future.

You say you don't have enough information on Stephano, Nerchio, Ret but that's because you haven't been trying to get it. It's all out there.

I think IdrA's mindset has clearly improved, and that's great because that was really holding him back. His map vision and multitask haven't faltered so much from his BW days, and his macro and unit composition decisions seem to also have improved, which is good because those were two other big issues he had. What keeps IdrA from being at the very top, in my opinion, is that he doesn't scout enough, relies on incomplete reads of his opponents, and I still question some of his decision making. He's obviously extremely good though.

Sen is fantastic, I just haven't seen enough of him lately, and he's lost a bit in the TeSL, which is weird. But he could very well get right back to the top, it's hard to tell.

I dont know if you missed the post i put about 4 posts above yours (i know these threads are crazy to hold conversation. But i stated pretty much the same thing.

No zerg has multiple recent results to show they are above the others. Sen has gone of the market with the TeSF for now, and Idra/Stephano/Ret all seemed to make a recent splash. Nothign past that though. I hope they all start doing well. Yes we could look at the player skill and use our knowledge to make good results. But then Idra/Ret are almost always going to be on that list, because if they are in top form and playing at a level of their old bw skill, they will dominate. But we have to take consistency into play.

But you can be consistently good, without showing a lot of results. You can have a lot of impressive games without finishing in the top 3 of a tournament. People are only looking at the top finishes of a tournament and will determine their skill from that.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

October 15 2011 16:40 GMT

#1329

On October 16 2011 01:39 Drazerk wrote:

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