On October 16 2011 06:18 Tantaburs wrote: The only cheese i have evre really been upset about is when MVP said 1-1-1 should be banned and then proceeded to 1-1-1
When did he 1-1-1 aka Marine/Tank/Banshee?
to MVP.TaiLs
He also did it to huk because huk said he could hold it.
Tails kinda forced mvp into 1-1-1 though on purpose.
On October 16 2011 05:58 JohnnyBanana wrote: "Oh yes I love this 'style' by JulyZerg. Good timing push"
"BUT FUCK PUMA 1/1/1 NO THATS NOT TIMING, CHEESE CHEESE ALLIN ALLIN"
Oh TL, how I love thee.
Pointless snide remark there.
Different players get different treatment for different reasons (that do exist). When Puma becomes a legendary programer, he can have a "style". Until then he's just abusing flavor builds.
TL;DR bias for past accomplishments.
Are you a boxer fan?
I like BoxeR, and I respect him and his past accomplishments. But I do not allow that to get in the way of proper judgement. Which is why July continues to be awful overall to me. BoxeR is better than him, though. July relies on that it's nigh impossible to fall out of Code S if you coinflip well.
But this isn't about judgement, because we aren't discussing their playstyles, but about how they are perceived in the community and why.
When Flash cheesed Bisu out of a Starleague way back, he was "that f***ing cheeser kid". Now he's God Young Ho and he can cheese or suck for a year if he decides to.
Such is life in Starcraft. ^^
Sadly. I am a person who really does not enjoy that people are carried forward by the community based on old, old accomplishments (July, to some extent even The Emperor himself) or their teams (see some Liquid players). Oh well, I guess my attempts at trying to reduce the amount of bias are futile. T_T
Hero's play in that game was not good past the opening stages, and July had an upgrade advantage as well as playing a really good contain. He deserved that win. Puma is very un-proven and the fact that he uses a hated build will lead to alot of comments, but Puma has to be one of the most hyped-unproven people right now on the scene
top 5 overhyped for me 1.Tyler 2.Haypro 3.Polt 4.Puma 5.Hero
yeah man, people are hyping haypro and tyler soooooo much its disgusting
On October 16 2011 05:58 JohnnyBanana wrote: "Oh yes I love this 'style' by JulyZerg. Good timing push"
"BUT FUCK PUMA 1/1/1 NO THATS NOT TIMING, CHEESE CHEESE ALLIN ALLIN"
Oh TL, how I love thee.
Pointless snide remark there.
Different players get different treatment for different reasons (that do exist). When Puma becomes a legendary programer, he can have a "style". Until then he's just abusing flavor builds.
TL;DR bias for past accomplishments.
Are you a boxer fan?
I like BoxeR, and I respect him and his past accomplishments. But I do not allow that to get in the way of proper judgement. Which is why July continues to be awful overall to me. BoxeR is better than him, though. July relies on that it's nigh impossible to fall out of Code S if you coinflip well.
It's impossible to coinflip well. It's called a coinflip for a reason.
I'd really wish Idra never introduced the concept of coinfliping in sc2. It makes zero sense, and now everybody who lacks game understanding abuse this term and talk about coinflip here, coinflip there. Some very rare builds are coinflips, but far less than the term is abusively used left and right about stuff which aren't remotely coinflips.
Hahaha completely agree. Its kinda moronic when those coinflips have a 70% winrate, that aint no coinflip. But yeah a lot of terms are being abused stupidly and don't even make sense
Lol July doesn't even coin flip, his builds are excellent. He beats players who cut corners, simple.
Yup, July smells blood and he goes in for the kill. And lets be honest that is a skill that not many players have. But its sad to see the community bash based on the perception that more macro= better game
On October 16 2011 06:18 Tantaburs wrote: The only cheese i have evre really been upset about is when MVP said 1-1-1 should be banned and then proceeded to 1-1-1
When did he 1-1-1 aka Marine/Tank/Banshee?
to MVP.TaiLs
He also did it to huk because huk said he could hold it.
Tails kinda forced mvp into 1-1-1 though on purpose.
What do you mean forced? I'm pretty sure MVP knew he was gonna do that build before the game started.
On October 16 2011 05:58 JohnnyBanana wrote: "Oh yes I love this 'style' by JulyZerg. Good timing push"
"BUT FUCK PUMA 1/1/1 NO THATS NOT TIMING, CHEESE CHEESE ALLIN ALLIN"
Oh TL, how I love thee.
Pointless snide remark there.
Different players get different treatment for different reasons (that do exist). When Puma becomes a legendary programer, he can have a "style". Until then he's just abusing flavor builds.
TL;DR bias for past accomplishments.
Are you a boxer fan?
I like BoxeR, and I respect him and his past accomplishments. But I do not allow that to get in the way of proper judgement. Which is why July continues to be awful overall to me. BoxeR is better than him, though. July relies on that it's nigh impossible to fall out of Code S if you coinflip well.
But this isn't about judgement, because we aren't discussing their playstyles, but about how they are perceived in the community and why.
When Flash cheesed Bisu out of a Starleague way back, he was "that f***ing cheeser kid". Now he's God Young Ho and he can cheese or suck for a year if he decides to.
Such is life in Starcraft. ^^
Sadly. I am a person who really does not enjoy that people are carried forward by the community based on old, old accomplishments (July, to some extent even The Emperor himself) or their teams (see some Liquid players). Oh well, I guess my attempts at trying to reduce the amount of bias are futile. T_T
Hero's play in that game was not good past the opening stages, and July had an upgrade advantage as well as playing a really good contain. He deserved that win. Puma is very un-proven and the fact that he uses a hated build will lead to alot of comments, but Puma has to be one of the most hyped-unproven people right now on the scene
top 5 overhyped for me 1.Tyler 2.Haypro 3.Polt 4.Puma 5.Hero
On October 16 2011 05:58 JohnnyBanana wrote: "Oh yes I love this 'style' by JulyZerg. Good timing push"
"BUT FUCK PUMA 1/1/1 NO THATS NOT TIMING, CHEESE CHEESE ALLIN ALLIN"
Oh TL, how I love thee.
Pointless snide remark there.
Different players get different treatment for different reasons (that do exist). When Puma becomes a legendary programer, he can have a "style". Until then he's just abusing flavor builds.
TL;DR bias for past accomplishments.
Are you a boxer fan?
I like BoxeR, and I respect him and his past accomplishments. But I do not allow that to get in the way of proper judgement. Which is why July continues to be awful overall to me. BoxeR is better than him, though. July relies on that it's nigh impossible to fall out of Code S if you coinflip well.
But this isn't about judgement, because we aren't discussing their playstyles, but about how they are perceived in the community and why.
When Flash cheesed Bisu out of a Starleague way back, he was "that f***ing cheeser kid". Now he's God Young Ho and he can cheese or suck for a year if he decides to.
Such is life in Starcraft. ^^
Sadly. I am a person who really does not enjoy that people are carried forward by the community based on old, old accomplishments (July, to some extent even The Emperor himself) or their teams (see some Liquid players). Oh well, I guess my attempts at trying to reduce the amount of bias are futile. T_T
July ? Got in code S the very first code A season (January) and is in code S since, with a final, at least one semi final and multiple deep runs, while playing his own style. How this is being "carried" by old accomplishments ? I don't get it, it seems you try to rationalize an irrational dislike.
On October 16 2011 05:58 JohnnyBanana wrote: "Oh yes I love this 'style' by JulyZerg. Good timing push"
"BUT FUCK PUMA 1/1/1 NO THATS NOT TIMING, CHEESE CHEESE ALLIN ALLIN"
Oh TL, how I love thee.
Pointless snide remark there.
Different players get different treatment for different reasons (that do exist). When Puma becomes a legendary programer, he can have a "style". Until then he's just abusing flavor builds.
TL;DR bias for past accomplishments.
Are you a boxer fan?
I like BoxeR, and I respect him and his past accomplishments. But I do not allow that to get in the way of proper judgement. Which is why July continues to be awful overall to me. BoxeR is better than him, though. July relies on that it's nigh impossible to fall out of Code S if you coinflip well.
But this isn't about judgement, because we aren't discussing their playstyles, but about how they are perceived in the community and why.
When Flash cheesed Bisu out of a Starleague way back, he was "that f***ing cheeser kid". Now he's God Young Ho and he can cheese or suck for a year if he decides to.
Such is life in Starcraft. ^^
Sadly. I am a person who really does not enjoy that people are carried forward by the community based on old, old accomplishments (July, to some extent even The Emperor himself) or their teams (see some Liquid players). Oh well, I guess my attempts at trying to reduce the amount of bias are futile. T_T
Hero's play in that game was not good past the opening stages, and July had an upgrade advantage as well as playing a really good contain. He deserved that win. Puma is very un-proven and the fact that he uses a hated build will lead to alot of comments, but Puma has to be one of the most hyped-unproven people right now on the scene
top 5 overhyped for me 1.Tyler 2.Haypro 3.Polt 4.Puma 5.Hero
Polt - 7th in Korean ELO, has been in Code S since the beginning, GSL CHAMPION ($100,000 Super Tournament) and was in the semifinals LAST MONTH.
Puma - NASL champion ($50,000), IEM champion and has carried EG through countless team tournaments.
That just ruins your whole argument. If Polt is unproven, then 99.99997 of the scene not named MVP, Nestea, MC and FD are unproven.
On October 16 2011 05:58 JohnnyBanana wrote: "Oh yes I love this 'style' by JulyZerg. Good timing push"
"BUT FUCK PUMA 1/1/1 NO THATS NOT TIMING, CHEESE CHEESE ALLIN ALLIN"
Oh TL, how I love thee.
Pointless snide remark there.
Different players get different treatment for different reasons (that do exist). When Puma becomes a legendary programer, he can have a "style". Until then he's just abusing flavor builds.
TL;DR bias for past accomplishments.
Are you a boxer fan?
I like BoxeR, and I respect him and his past accomplishments. But I do not allow that to get in the way of proper judgement. Which is why July continues to be awful overall to me. BoxeR is better than him, though. July relies on that it's nigh impossible to fall out of Code S if you coinflip well.
It's impossible to coinflip well. It's called a coinflip for a reason.
I'd really wish Idra never introduced the concept of coinfliping in sc2. It makes zero sense, and now everybody who lacks game understanding abuse this term and talk about coinflip here, coinflip there. Some very rare builds are coinflips, but far less than the term is abusively used left and right about stuff which aren't remotely coinflips.
Hahaha completely agree. Its kinda moronic when those coinflips have a 70% winrate, that aint no coinflip. But yeah a lot of terms are being abused stupidly and don't even make sense
The key to using the term "coin flip" in SC2 is to remember that in a game of SC2, there is no such thing as 50% chance. A more accurate term would probably be tossing/rolling dice, but it gets too advanced when the actual meaning is that you cannot affect the odds of winning or losing with skill to a big extent (see: PvP "rock-paper-scissors" pre-patch, ZvZ or ZvX cheeses). You must then also remember that this is overreacted on purpose to bring out the still quite clear message.
Heck even to be fair it is "clever" to rely on such builds/mindsets, but I do not believe that July is deserving of his Code S spot still.
Edit:
On October 16 2011 06:24 MrCon wrote:
Got in code S the very first code A season (January) and is in code S since, with a final, at least one semi final and multiple deep runs, while playing his own style. How this is being "carried" by old accomplishments ? I don't get it, it seems you try to rationalize an irrational dislike.
He plays a very flimsy style, that relies on that his opponents repeatedly fails to realise after almost a year that he is an agressive player and fails to exploit this. Though I suppose I should keep quiet now, or a certain mod might want my head on a banplate soon. Getting a bit out of hand I guess.
On October 16 2011 06:13 laharl23 wrote: please dont let july win this group, thats all i ask...
I think Huk probably is going to win the group now that Hero has 2 losses.
if huk beats ddoro or if july loses to ddoro huk wins the group.
Since Idra is also in perfect position to win his group that means we could very easily have a Huk vs Idra winners match (which also means foreigner top 3 )
Idra will need to beat Marineking so that will be close. Also Ret will probably have to beat TheStC for the 1st spot.
If Idra loses to MKP and MKP loses to Boxer then Idra could win on map score
MKP can only get first if he wins against boxer, haypro and idra. In your scenario idra would be 4-1 and mkp 3-2, since he already lost to drewbie, so map score or tiebreakers won't even matter.
On October 16 2011 06:18 Tantaburs wrote: The only cheese i have evre really been upset about is when MVP said 1-1-1 should be banned and then proceeded to 1-1-1
When did he 1-1-1 aka Marine/Tank/Banshee?
GSTL vs Tails for example.
The game they are referring to is when he did it vs Huk 2 days after the interview(even though Huk should have held it off)
I'm not sure about this but i think Huk was asking MVP to 1 1 1 him before the match because he was confident that he could stop it.
EPT
Getting a bit out of hand I guess.
