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On October 11 2011 21:45 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:43 bucckevin wrote:
Ganzi had that won and then ran all his marines into a planetary and didn't siege...............................................................so bad. ... No he didn't have that won at all. He had to attack into that area because SuperNova had an uncontested drop in his main, an uncontested drop that had completely cleared out his third, and 2 more bases up and operational. Ganzi tried to bust the front where SuperNova was weak due to being spread thin, he needed to win decisively so he could continue to plough through any reinforcements, SuperNova pulled his big marine clump up the top of the map back super fast though. There was never an option for Gnazi to be slow with that push.
Yeah, I agree that Ganzi didn't have that won, but he could've made a better fist of it. He won the first part of the battle in the engagement near the PF area by killing Supernova's tanks. His mistake was not sieging up.
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On October 11 2011 21:47 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:45 Poopi wrote:On October 11 2011 21:44 zeru wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Poopi wrote:On October 11 2011 21:40 Badfatpanda wrote:On October 11 2011 21:39 zeru wrote:un nerf hellions so we can have better TvT's  =D nerf something because other races complain kill tvt <3 They nerfed hellion because terrans players complained about TvT. TvT was pretty bad prepatch TvT was the best matchup prepatch imo. It was a random hellionfest and we saw players like qxc winning over Mvp. That's a good match-up for you? xd Taking a single bad game from any matchup to look the whole matchup look bad is pretty silly. I loved pure mech into sky TvT. There was so much strategy behind it. It's gonna be very rare now.
the vast majority of people who didn't either couldn't macro, had no decision making, or didn't play terran and want to see a mirror that actually takes a fair amount of skill
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On October 11 2011 21:45 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:43 bucckevin wrote:
Ganzi had that won and then ran all his marines into a planetary and didn't siege...............................................................so bad. ... No he didn't have that won at all. He had to attack into that area because SuperNova had an uncontested drop in his main, an uncontested drop that had completely cleared out his third, and 2 more bases up and operational. Ganzi tried to bust the front where SuperNova was weak due to being spread thin, he needed to win decisively so he could continue to plough through any reinforcements, SuperNova pulled his big marine clump up the top of the map back super fast though. There was never an option for Gnazi to be slow with that push.
it doesnt matter. he would've won in a base trade with a much much larger army if he engaged properly. he lost 20+ marines in 3-4 seconds while attacking the PF.
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On October 11 2011 21:46 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:44 iamthedave wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Pajegetc wrote:On October 11 2011 21:42 Telcontar wrote:
Marine/Tank becomes so stagnant. No transitions into anything else. What's happened to my beloved TvT? T_T Zerg whining because they can't learn to simcity and build spines. You do realize the BFH change was done to help TvT, not ZvT, right? It wasn't needed at all.
I agree with that. Terrans just needed to learn to defend better against bfh harass.
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On October 11 2011 21:45 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:44 Goibon wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Telcontar wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Pajegetc wrote:On October 11 2011 21:42 Telcontar wrote:
Marine/Tank becomes so stagnant. No transitions into anything else. What's happened to my beloved TvT? T_T Zerg whining because they can't learn to simcity and build spines. Erm, what? He's blaming the hellion nerf for mech dying. Mech is not dying. The good players are still using it. And winning
Exactly. Tired of people crying just because every game isn't a hellionfest
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Jobber vs Jobber, NO FLUFF
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i just woke up and i saw this that bothw ent to game 5 cant wait towatch omggggggggggg
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Tastosis seems to have forgotten the "metagame" shift in TvT - takes time to re-acclimatise.
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On October 11 2011 21:47 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:45 Asha` wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 bucckevin wrote:
Ganzi had that won and then ran all his marines into a planetary and didn't siege...............................................................so bad. ... No he didn't have that won at all. He had to attack into that area because SuperNova had an uncontested drop in his main, an uncontested drop that had completely cleared out his third, and 2 more bases up and operational. Ganzi tried to bust the front where SuperNova was weak due to being spread thin, he needed to win decisively so he could continue to plough through any reinforcements, SuperNova pulled his big marine clump up the top of the map back super fast though. There was never an option for Gnazi to be slow with that push. Yeah, I agree that Ganzi didn't have that won, but he could've made a better fist of it. He won the first part of the battle in the engagement near the PF area by killing Supernova's tanks. His mistake was not sieging up.
Even if he sieged he was dead, just might have been able to kill the 5th.
SuperNova just doesn't attack into him, waits for a few tanks, and pushes him back slower in that scenario. SuperNova had plenty of time on his side with multiple mining bases operational, Ganzi was down to a mined out main, his nat, and a third that was about to go down.
On October 11 2011 21:48 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:45 Asha` wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 bucckevin wrote:
Ganzi had that won and then ran all his marines into a planetary and didn't siege...............................................................so bad. ... No he didn't have that won at all. He had to attack into that area because SuperNova had an uncontested drop in his main, an uncontested drop that had completely cleared out his third, and 2 more bases up and operational. Ganzi tried to bust the front where SuperNova was weak due to being spread thin, he needed to win decisively so he could continue to plough through any reinforcements, SuperNova pulled his big marine clump up the top of the map back super fast though. There was never an option for Gnazi to be slow with that push. it doesnt matter. he would've won in a base trade with a much much larger army if he engaged properly. he lost 20+ marines in 3-4 seconds while attacking the PF.
Ganzi wouldn't have won a base trade.
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On October 11 2011 21:47 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:45 Poopi wrote:On October 11 2011 21:44 zeru wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Poopi wrote:On October 11 2011 21:40 Badfatpanda wrote:On October 11 2011 21:39 zeru wrote:un nerf hellions so we can have better TvT's =D nerf something because other races complain kill tvt <3 They nerfed hellion because terrans players complained about TvT. TvT was pretty bad prepatch TvT was the best matchup prepatch imo. It was a random hellionfest and we saw players like qxc winning over Mvp. That's a good match-up for you? xd Taking a single bad game from any matchup to look the whole matchup look bad is pretty silly. I loved pure mech into sky TvT. There was so much strategy behind it. It's gonna be very rare now.
I'm not taking a single bad game, about every tvt game was kinda random and bad.
Plus it was really painful to play. Just watch MLG Anaheim replays and you will see.
What's the strategy in "hellion opening into huge hellion timing attack into mech play"?
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Clide is gonna go hardcore mech tomorrow.
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On October 11 2011 21:48 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:46 Pajegetc wrote:On October 11 2011 21:44 iamthedave wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Pajegetc wrote:On October 11 2011 21:42 Telcontar wrote:
Marine/Tank becomes so stagnant. No transitions into anything else. What's happened to my beloved TvT? T_T Zerg whining because they can't learn to simcity and build spines. You do realize the BFH change was done to help TvT, not ZvT, right? It wasn't needed at all. I agree with that. Terrans just needed to learn to defend better against bfh harass.
They were already beginning too before the patch.. Example Polt keeping 1-2 marauders at each of his bases to shut down hellions;.
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On October 11 2011 21:45 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:43 bucckevin wrote:
Ganzi had that won and then ran all his marines into a planetary and didn't siege...............................................................so bad. ... No he didn't have that won at all. He had to attack into that area because SuperNova had an uncontested drop in his main, an uncontested drop that had completely cleared out his third, and 2 more bases up and operational. Ganzi tried to bust the front where SuperNova was weak due to being spread thin, he needed to win decisively so he could continue to plough through any reinforcements, SuperNova pulled his big marine clump up the top of the map back super fast though. There was never an option for Gnazi to be slow with that push.
Not to mention he was 2 bases behind.
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On October 11 2011 21:49 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote:
i just woke up and i saw this that bothw ent to game 5 cant wait towatch omggggggggggg
Watch the first series for awesome games
Watch the second series for a laugh
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Ganzi is just throwing games away
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On October 11 2011 21:48 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:45 Dodgin wrote:On October 11 2011 21:44 Goibon wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Telcontar wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Pajegetc wrote:On October 11 2011 21:42 Telcontar wrote:
Marine/Tank becomes so stagnant. No transitions into anything else. What's happened to my beloved TvT? T_T Zerg whining because they can't learn to simcity and build spines. Erm, what? He's blaming the hellion nerf for mech dying. Mech is not dying. The good players are still using it. And winning Exactly. Tired of people crying just because every game isn't a hellionfest
No. Skilled players are using it on certain maps and it represents 10% of the Korean TvT scene.
No.
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[GSL] Oct Code S RO8 Day 1 - with IM MEGAN
Fived set map: Antiga Shipyard 1.1
 GanZi as the Yellow Terran on the bottom right position VS SuperNoVa as the Blue Terran on the upper left position.
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On October 11 2011 21:49 ViperPL wrote:
Clide is gonna go hardcore mech tomorrow.
With nukes
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On October 11 2011 21:50 ambrosiaa wrote:
Ganzi is just throwing games away
Ganzi falls apart when games go further than 15mins
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On October 11 2011 21:45 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 21:44 iamthedave wrote:On October 11 2011 21:43 Pajegetc wrote:On October 11 2011 21:42 Telcontar wrote:
Marine/Tank becomes so stagnant. No transitions into anything else. What's happened to my beloved TvT? T_T Zerg whining because they can't learn to simcity and build spines. You do realize the BFH change was done to help TvT, not ZvT, right? It was done for both MU because "the risk of having 4 helions get in and just end the game seemed far to great"
It was. In TvT, even more than in TvZ.
We had countless games where it went 'hellion drop gets countered, hellion drop gets countered, hellion drop gets countered, HELLION DROP SUCCEEDS GG'
That's BS, plain and simple.
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