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Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
October 10 2011 17:36 GMT
#841
I wanted Oz to win so bad
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
October 10 2011 17:47 GMT
#842
On October 10 2011 21:57 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 21:37 Micket wrote:
Artosis said Curious sucked. WHAT??? His TLPD is INSANE!


This just in: Artosis is wrong a lot of the time. I'm not sure why people listen to him. He's the king of disappointing predictions.

If anything he's the king of overhyping lol. *Still waiting for clide to win a GSL*
Dodge arrows
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
October 10 2011 17:55 GMT
#843
On October 11 2011 02:10 1800STFU wrote:
I am going to laugh when no Protosses get out of the up/downs and we're left with Huk and Killer as the only 2 Tosses left.


na surely we will have a few pvp's only way in hell we are going to getmore then just huK and Killer!!!
Live and Let Die!
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
October 10 2011 17:58 GMT
#844
code a finals were usually fuckin good
TOP vs Byun was amazing
Supernova vs Losira was also frekin amazin
MVP vs Bomber was another amazing code a finals
but all the good people in code a ranked up to code s so...
WrentheFaceless
Profile Joined March 2011
United States33 Posts
October 10 2011 18:28 GMT
#845
Poor Oz, joining the sad Zealot club =/

Grats to Curious, though this doesnt raise my hope for the Protoss in the up-downs

Nor for the Code S finals being entertaining
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14215 Posts
October 10 2011 18:30 GMT
#846
;( would have been a lot better final if sage won vs oz. This will mean that the code S finals this month will be really good right?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 10 2011 18:42 GMT
#847
On October 11 2011 02:21 Belial88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 01:53 windsupernova wrote:
On October 11 2011 00:28 UserErrOr413 wrote:
Congrats to Curious. ST roster starting to look really strong

On October 10 2011 22:58 TheEconomist wrote:
Actually, muta ling was figured out about october last year.

its stay on 2 base, get HT n blink stalkers, take 3rd, watch out for tech switch...

It disappeared for a while coz it WAS figured out, and infestors got really popular, now zerg are using more strats again.

Also, resurgence of muta in ZvZ as well...

Does anyone else feel this way? I feel like I've seen so many old strats pop-up again recently and people are like wow thats so amazing, but they are things that were figured out and dismantled easily enough before.
Not to take anything away from the Curious or other players. This has just been annoying me recently.


Well, I am just up to the 2nd game but the thing is that its not really the same Mutaling from last year. Last year it was mostly 2 hatch Muta where the P could either do what was posted or do a heavy gateway push before Mutas were out.

Now its mostly 3 Hatch muta, Muta numbers will be super high more quickly and after that they can leverage their advantage into a much higher econ.And well tbh even when it was Muta off 2 Hatches P were having huge problems with that. the phoenix build time buff was done mainly so that P can deal with Mutas


The whole Take-Super-Fast-Third vs FFE strat is kind of new, so I think the real strat is taking a super fast third, not muta/ling. I think some people have figured out that muta/ling is a really good way to transition from taking a super fast third.

Game 3 was not about Curious' amazing ling/muta usage, but rather the failed hidden base and then Curious getting in huge ling runbys. The former is a weak coinflip, the latter was a blunder not fit for a code A champion, which is exactly why he lost. If that third was just his normal third instead, or he hadn't let those lings run into his base, he would've done much better.

Curious was using mostly roach play in that game, and I think he threw up the spire actually as a way to be ready against Colossi. But then he found the hidden third, so he sacced his roaches to kill it. He didn't kill it, but he knew Oz was spread extremely thin, so that mutas would work excellently against someone sticking to gateway units, and he also knew with mutas he could just FF the nexus down.

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Not really, because zerg's make like 8-15 spine crawlers.


You can't afford that with muta/ling, and what good is 15 spines if they don't guard your third? Muta/ling just gets owned by mass gateway timings like 6-7-8 gates that were popular, they get owned by the increased popularity of stargate, they get owned by normal play, and they get owned by archon play. What they do good with, is maps that are very large, maps where the third is 'inside' your base like Crevasse or Terminus, maps where the third is extremely far like Crossfire (or BelShir beach when you make your 4th your third) where you can force the enemy to have to run back and forth to protect their base, and when your opponent has an extremely low stalker count and you want to exploit it.


Yeah thats what i was saying. Old MutaBling was 2 base MutaBling, then 3rd base. Right now Zergs can take a super early 3rd and saturate it(even against gateway openings) and then transition into Muta. What changed was indeed the early 3rd.

"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 10 2011 18:45 GMT
#848
On October 10 2011 21:36 s4life wrote:
One sided match.. but seriously, another zerg winning and important tournament in the last week.. it's getting really hard to argue about zerg being the 'weakest' race...


its been like that for a while man. Zergs are hardly a weaker race now. Hell even 2with 20 T in Code S 70% of the Zergs made it into RO16. And this season TvZ in GSL is at 52%. Its only Destiny and idra complaining about Zerg being weak.

Hopefully P/Blizzard can figure out stuff more because P is overall doing badly atm.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
October 10 2011 18:50 GMT
#849
Bad Code A finals means. Good Code S finals!!
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
October 10 2011 19:44 GMT
#850
On October 10 2011 22:19 Telcontar wrote:
Nice to see Asha's hype about Curious was right all along.


Who do you take me for, Artosis? =p

Super happy to see Curious 4-0! Like I said, it would be a well deserved win, and in the end he really pulled through in convincing fashion ^_^
galivet
Profile Joined February 2011
288 Posts
October 10 2011 19:45 GMT
#851
In the GSL protoss are mostly reduced to jobbers. Never wake up to watch a protoss play in the GSL.
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
October 10 2011 19:59 GMT
#852
People complaining that Oz lost to a beast like curious? Sad Zealot my ass curious just happened to be the best player in code A this season, he proved that thoroughly. Its not like every Z won all their matches except zvz.
Plus, just because the few zergs in code S actually get far is because they are really good obviously, the reason there aren't more zergs in code S is because its freaking hard to be that good. Maybe when protoss figure out PvT they can start winning in code S because like it has been said pretty much 2/3 of players in code S are terran.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 10 2011 20:05 GMT
#853
On October 11 2011 04:59 Goshdarnit wrote:
People complaining that Oz lost to a beast like curious? Sad Zealot my ass curious just happened to be the best player in code A this season, he proved that thoroughly. Its not like every Z won all their matches except zvz.
Plus, just because the few zergs in code S actually get far is because they are really good obviously, the reason there aren't more zergs in code S is because its freaking hard to be that good. Maybe when protoss figure out PvT they can start winning in code S because like it has been said pretty much 2/3 of players in code S are terran.


Yeah Curious was definitively the better player here. But thats what you get when TL endorsed balance whine happens.I kinda expected Oz to continue his vZ winstreak but oh well anyone who saw the games knows that Oz lost because of how he played, not his race
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Robonord
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States311 Posts
October 10 2011 20:29 GMT
#854
Yeah... if anyone hasn't watched this yet just go ahead and watch game 2 and skip the rest.
IMLosirA | ST_Bomber | SlayerS_Puzzle
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
October 10 2011 20:33 GMT
#855
It's sad that the only reason game 2 is reccomended is because Oz did some insane micro. Really wish that PvZ was a bit more entertaining >< That's a problem for Hots though, we need more options for Z and P.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 10 2011 20:36 GMT
#856
On October 11 2011 04:44 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 22:19 Telcontar wrote:
Nice to see Asha's hype about Curious was right all along.


Who do you take me for, Artosis? =p

Super happy to see Curious 4-0! Like I said, it would be a well deserved win, and in the end he really pulled through in convincing fashion ^_^

Funny you say that considering Artosis bashed Curious a lot during the team league XD.
Ouga
Profile Joined March 2008
Finland645 Posts
October 10 2011 21:15 GMT
#857
It must be omen. First bad A finals has to mean first good S finals? Right?

Well s2 foxer nestea was good. But that's an year ago
galivet
Profile Joined February 2011
288 Posts
October 10 2011 21:37 GMT
#858
On October 11 2011 05:05 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 04:59 Goshdarnit wrote:
People complaining that Oz lost to a beast like curious? Sad Zealot my ass curious just happened to be the best player in code A this season, he proved that thoroughly. Its not like every Z won all their matches except zvz.
Plus, just because the few zergs in code S actually get far is because they are really good obviously, the reason there aren't more zergs in code S is because its freaking hard to be that good. Maybe when protoss figure out PvT they can start winning in code S because like it has been said pretty much 2/3 of players in code S are terran.


Yeah Curious was definitively the better player here. But thats what you get when TL endorsed balance whine happens.I kinda expected Oz to continue his vZ winstreak but oh well anyone who saw the games knows that Oz lost because of how he played, not his race


The maps were a pretty big factor too. Maps have the power to skew game balance just as much as race design. If player makes a decision that looks strange or too risky, it's hard to know whether it's some concession to the map that isn't obvious without hours of practice on that map, or whether it's just a bad decision. vOv
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
October 10 2011 21:43 GMT
#859
On October 11 2011 03:45 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 21:36 s4life wrote:
One sided match.. but seriously, another zerg winning and important tournament in the last week.. it's getting really hard to argue about zerg being the 'weakest' race...


its been like that for a while man. Zergs are hardly a weaker race now. Hell even 2with 20 T in Code S 70% of the Zergs made it into RO16. And this season TvZ in GSL is at 52%. Its only Destiny and idra complaining about Zerg being weak.

Hopefully P/Blizzard can figure out stuff more because P is overall doing badly atm.

you do know that 52% is good, and shows the matchup is in a pretty good spot?

Can anyone give me a summery of all 4 games though?
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
October 10 2011 21:51 GMT
#860
If this Code A final was one-sided, does that mean the Code S finals will finally be close?
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