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Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#401
oz played better than I've ever seen on that map, makes me sad
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#402
So Oz got reactive Pheonix against Mutas?
Why not go for Blink and Templar, it just seems so much better to me T_T

Am i wrong here?
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#403
On October 10 2011 18:45 Mortal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 18:44 Teoita wrote:
I actually haven't seen a protoss win pvz vs muta/ling in a long while...last time was july vs huk at dreamhack. I wonder exactly how to beat that style...


storm theoretically


Yeah, but i feel like defending a third vs that is insanely hard, and blink+storm on 2 bases just isn't going to happen.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
MiKTeX
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 09:48:31
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#404
On October 10 2011 18:44 MrCon wrote:
Poll: Recommend Curious vs Oz game 2 ?

Yes (71)
 
85%

No (10)
 
12%

If you have time (3)
 
4%

84 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Curious vs Oz game 2 ?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


the counter attacks seemed really brutal and hard to watch as a protoss player, but the game had so many excellent forcefields that you just can't vote yes

On October 10 2011 18:46 zocktol wrote:
So Oz got reactive Pheonix against Mutas?
Why not go for Blink and Templar, it just seems so much better to me T_T

Am i wrong here?

maybe his plan was to go for the protoss 1/1/1 kind of? perhaps it worked for him really well in practice, but at a glance I tend to agree that templar would have been 1. better 2. the more natural tech path (twilight already up, why not go templar?)

maybe templar are just way too immobile on bel'shir beach that his phoenix strategy was much better and we weren't able to see that showcased in this game
Lakai
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada315 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#405
On October 10 2011 18:44 Teoita wrote:
I actually haven't seen a protoss win pvz vs muta/ling in a long while...last time was july vs huk at dreamhack. I wonder exactly how to beat that style...

Templar tech. Archons, HTs and blink stalkers do quite well.
HerO - Minigun - MaNa - Puzzle - NonY - Axslav - MKP - DeMusliM - SeleCT - LosirA
Murkinlol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States366 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#406
Goooooo protoss..............
Ratchets, designer jackets
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#407
I think Jinro was the one that said Oz had some of the best PvZ in Korea. I could be wrong about who said it, but whoever it was looks right. Entertaining games. Curious is just really good. Awesome forcefields and micro
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dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#408
Now that Crossfire and Belshir are out I want too see how they do on a non zerg favoured map.
Go go Alliance.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#409
Oz played so well, and still lost.

Screw you Bel'shir Beach.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#410
amazing play by oz but he was too spread out. i hate this map ._.
Progamer
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#411
On October 10 2011 18:45 Mortal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 18:44 Teoita wrote:
I actually haven't seen a protoss win pvz vs muta/ling in a long while...last time was july vs huk at dreamhack. I wonder exactly how to beat that style...


storm theoretically

zealor archon with some blink stalkers or storms depending which tech you get archons with I'd think would go well
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#412
Curious didn't do anything special. Just played ZvP the same way most other Zergs do: power econ then attack everywhere with speedlings and fast roaches.
Marines > everything
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#413
Man, I'd be pretty depressed if I were Oz. Played so well but at no point did it look like he could actually win the game. Never even got a chance to move out onto the map until the base trade.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#414
I don't think the world's best Protoss could've won that, next map is TDA so he'll lose that too...gonna be a miracle to come back now, Oz needed to win one of these early games to have a chance

great play by Curious, credit where credit's due
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#415
On October 10 2011 18:44 Teoita wrote:
I actually haven't seen a protoss win pvz vs muta/ling in a long while...last time was july vs huk at dreamhack. I wonder exactly how to beat that style...


Generally you scout it and 6 gate. That's why the style fell out of fashon.

It was never a style that was really 'beaten', though teching to blink stallkers and storm archons can work if you can defend well enough. It requires a lot more cannons than most Protoss are willing to make, and is pretty even. The six gate that hits before mutas is usually a sure win.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#416
On October 10 2011 18:44 Teoita wrote:
I actually haven't seen a protoss win pvz vs muta/ling in a long while...last time was july vs huk at dreamhack. I wonder exactly how to beat that style...


Huk beat Check.prime on Taldarim going up against pure ling muta. Very good game that was too.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
Blitzer
Profile Joined April 2004
Australia243 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#417
That was a really cool game. Curious is a beast as well. I reckon he is the next big thing in Z, will be up with DRG and Nestea soon I reckon. Very cool performance by OZ some of those forcefields were masterful, I think his problem was his expo choice at top right really hurt him against a more mobile muta ling army. His army control was terrific though.
Mess with the best, die like the rest!
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#418
If Oz had gotten 6 gases up without Curious noticing... he would've crushed Muta/Ling... enough to get Stalkers and H.T/Archons, but because it got scouted he had to spend so much gas on Sentries =(
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 09:48:04
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#419
On October 10 2011 18:44 Teoita wrote:
I actually haven't seen a protoss win pvz vs muta/ling in a long while...last time was july vs huk at dreamhack. I wonder exactly how to beat that style...


Ling/Bling/Muta is actually my favorite ZvP style.

The Scariest thing to face with that composition is Archons with Photon Cannons around to shut down muta harassment.

Archons got their range buff after this style of ZvP fell out of fashion. With their range now they are really good against this in a straight up fight. the only problem is that they're slow so mutas can outmanuever them.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 10 2011 09:46 GMT
#420
Oz really should have gone to kil lthe main and the tech building at first, not sure if that would have helped a lot but that would have been better (no more mutas, lings, blings)
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