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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
October 23 2011 14:18 GMT
#4521
"MULEs carry 6 times more minerals per trip than an SCV, gathering 30 minerals per trip on standard patches and 42 on High-Yield patches. Their timed life allows 8 or 9 mining trips which totals 240/270 minerals respectively on a blue mineral patch and 336/378 on a yellow one."

C'mon Doa.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 23 2011 14:18 GMT
#4522
Mule's gather 30 per trip on blue minerals, 42 on gold minerals according to Liqupedia.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 23 2011 14:18 GMT
#4523
On October 23 2011 23:03 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 22:53 FinnGamer wrote:
On October 23 2011 22:51 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 22:38 s4life wrote:
The problem with Khaldor is not so much his rant against terran, but the fact that he's a bronze player and his arguments are typically very superficial.


He is a high Master zerg player in EU. Try again

Well, he hasn't played since season 2, but he his definitely much better than bronze


He's a 3v3 master level player.. lol. I don't think I've ever seen 1v1s games in his account. The point still stands, he has little knowledge of the game and the way he argues just confirms that suspicion.

There a lot of casters who don't play at a high level. Khaldor surely is not.
I only feel he addresses balance issues too much.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
October 23 2011 14:19 GMT
#4524
On October 23 2011 23:17 Bobster wrote:
Is the finals a Bo5?

According to Liquipedia, it'll be.

Bronze Match was Bo5, so the Gold Match should be at least Bo5.
Nore
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand128 Posts
October 23 2011 14:19 GMT
#4525
I'm not sure who to blame but the coverage of this tournament has been pretty awful so far. the casters haven't been pulling their weight either, i know they don't get paid but i wasnt really pulled into enthusiasm which will want to hear them again. The brackets really need to be dug up to find and the times are just nowhere to be seen.

Sorry for the rant its late and nothing is making it easier to endure the wait

AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 23 2011 14:20 GMT
#4526
On October 23 2011 23:15 Sina92 wrote:
THE ULTIMATE MULE BALANCE SUGGESTION - - change it so that you can only drop mules on the patches next to the orbital you call them down from!

ur all welcome


You just killed the mannered mule. Are you happy with yourself?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
October 23 2011 14:20 GMT
#4527
On October 23 2011 23:14 Warfie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 23:12 aTo wrote:
On October 23 2011 23:11 Brutalin wrote:
Khaldor is like a 10year old kid while arguing.

this
nothin to add :S

Then why do you post? Last page has been a whole set of one liners complaining about the casters, but not explaining the reason to complain. Why is he like a 10 year old? I'm having a hard time agreeing with this, and you aren't posting any reasons. I would say that in itself is a poor way to discuss something.

Its pretty simple:
He is whining about units which arent even in BETA yet. Also him sayin Blizzard ruining Warcraft 3 with Frozen Throne makes me wonder if he will ever stop whining about stuff ever... Dont get me wrong I think he is a great Caster but in that regard he is behaving just pretty silly.
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
27raven
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic89 Posts
October 23 2011 14:20 GMT
#4528
On October 23 2011 23:18 HALFKNOT wrote:
this pair of casters is even more stupid than jp and day9


That's great. Now keep it to yourself and don't write on every page how this or that person is stupid.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 23 2011 14:20 GMT
#4529
Hype Hype Hype!
Come on Mana, you got this.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
theKOT
Profile Joined June 2009
United States167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 14:25:45
October 23 2011 14:21 GMT
#4530
On October 23 2011 23:17 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 23:12 theKOT wrote:
I LOVE gold bases, because they force engagements. They cause players to move to stop the opponents, and since they are exposed they cause a fight to actually occur. Is Khaldor going to whine about Terran IMBA during all his GSL casts too?

Terran doesn't have to be imba for mules (or gold bases) to be an issue. I think anyone who isn't a terran hates the MULE dynamic. Especially late game, it ruins the idea of worker harass - as long as the terran keeps up 3 orbitals and a planetary with minerals he has plenty of mining, whereas if a protoss/zerg loses their workers they'll have 0 income. In scrappy, drawn out games it you definitely see how good mules are.

It's definitely a different dynamic, and maybe something blizzard is happy with, but it mightn't be perfectly balanced, and may give terran an advantage in very specific situations (doesn't mean terran imba).

As a low-level protoss player who mostly just spectates, I enjoy watching games as they are and I think WITHOUT mules terran are underpowered. Every race has things that give them advantages in specific situations, I don't feel Mules are detrimental to the game.
You want zerg to engage when the terran takes a gold on a normal standard timing 3th for the terran (antiga is the perfect example for that) ? that's imbalance right there. What zerg wants to attack a perfectly defended turtled base without broodlords/ultras

mule's aint op, it's easily accessible gold bases that fuck everything up. Zergs can't even take gold bases on a lot of maps cause they're too easily siegable
And terrans have difficulties with them because they are too easily surroundable. If you think it is easy for terran to hold the golf on antiga as a 3rd... I'm not sure what to say.
FBH and Bisu. That's all you need.
Legatus
Profile Joined August 2010
65 Posts
October 23 2011 14:23 GMT
#4531
On October 23 2011 23:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 23:15 Sina92 wrote:
THE ULTIMATE MULE BALANCE SUGGESTION - - change it so that you can only drop mules on the patches next to the orbital you call them down from!

ur all welcome


You just killed the mannered mule. Are you happy with yourself?

LOL, it's "manner mule" not "mannered mule". Or is that the excuse you use: "I'm not BMing myself, it's just the mule!"
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 14:24:29
October 23 2011 14:23 GMT
#4532
On October 23 2011 23:20 MrKn4rz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 23:14 Warfie wrote:
On October 23 2011 23:12 aTo wrote:
On October 23 2011 23:11 Brutalin wrote:
Khaldor is like a 10year old kid while arguing.

this
nothin to add :S

Then why do you post? Last page has been a whole set of one liners complaining about the casters, but not explaining the reason to complain. Why is he like a 10 year old? I'm having a hard time agreeing with this, and you aren't posting any reasons. I would say that in itself is a poor way to discuss something.

Its pretty simple:
He is whining about units which arent even in BETA yet. Also him sayin Blizzard ruining Warcraft 3 with Frozen Throne makes me wonder if he will ever stop whining about stuff ever... Dont get me wrong I think he is a great Caster but in that regard he is behaving just pretty silly.

Isn't he kinda trying to avoid the argument? It's pretty clear he's trying to move on whereas Doa is happy to argue; would be pretty awkward to watch the two argue seriously. Stating his opinion and moving on is the better thing to do in a two person format IMO; leave serious discussions to panels like SOTG where a judge can intervene/a consensus can be reached (or not lolo).
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
October 23 2011 14:23 GMT
#4533
Have they played yet?
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
October 23 2011 14:25 GMT
#4534
This could be Europe's #1 vs #2 player
I've no idea who's favored here. I think Stephano. Zerg>Protoss atm
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 23 2011 14:25 GMT
#4535
On October 23 2011 23:23 MadNeSs wrote:
Have they played yet?

no, starting in a few minutes
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 23 2011 14:26 GMT
#4536
I really hope Mana can win this. I'd hate to see him become the latest member of the kong line.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 23 2011 14:26 GMT
#4537
On October 23 2011 23:25 WaSa wrote:
This could be Europe's #1 vs #2 player
I've no idea who's favored here. I think Stephano. Zerg>Protoss atm

Pretty sure that Stephano will win this without too much of a problem, but yes, this is probably #1 vs #2 in Europe atm. (Not sure where to place Naniwa, but his play at Blizzcon was amazing)
HeavenS
Profile Joined August 2004
Colombia2259 Posts
October 23 2011 14:27 GMT
#4538
when is the next match??
Im cooler than the other side of the pillow.
Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
October 23 2011 14:27 GMT
#4539
On October 23 2011 23:27 HeavenS wrote:
when is the next match??

in 3 minutes
(V) (;,,;) (V) Woopwoopwoopwoop
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 23 2011 14:28 GMT
#4540
On October 23 2011 23:23 Legatus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 23:20 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 23 2011 23:15 Sina92 wrote:
THE ULTIMATE MULE BALANCE SUGGESTION - - change it so that you can only drop mules on the patches next to the orbital you call them down from!

ur all welcome


You just killed the mannered mule. Are you happy with yourself?

LOL, it's "manner mule" not "mannered mule". Or is that the excuse you use: "I'm not BMing myself, it's just the mule!"


It comes down from the sky to say 'hi', ofc it's mannered. (⌒‿⌒)
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
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