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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 22 2011 14:23 GMT
#2961
mc with a pylon in mana's base
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
October 22 2011 14:24 GMT
#2962
On October 22 2011 23:20 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:14 Fyzar wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:12 Jehct wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:11 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:07 Jehct wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:05 AxionSteel wrote:
It depends what you mean by A-Team, Grubby might not be top 3 protoss in EU, but he's still a top european player. Europe has a lot more depth than NA.

A-team would be the top10 in any particular region, no? I mean, how big are your teams O_o


So when you look at Europe, you have Mana, nerchio, stephano, thorzain, naniwa, jinro, sjow, sase, hasuobs, socke, dimaga, morrow, Kas, White Ra, Strelok etc etc, that's far more than 10, and there's many more, I don't think you can say there's only ten A team players in Europe. I'd rather rank by tiers, all of them are top European players, and I'd put Grubby and Cloud as a top tier European player as well. 2nd Tier would probably include LiveZerg, though.


I just wouldn't put Grubby/Cloud on the same level as Whitera/Thorzain at all, and if they are, they haven't shown it in terms of results.

Perhaps ClouD is overall not on the level of ThorZaIN, but TvT wise ClouD is better.

Grubby would be the second tier of protosses at the moment I THINK, behind Nani/Sase/MaNa, but he can beat all of them. Don't really know that for certain, seeing as we haven't seen too much of him since he went to Korea.

Also, results are not everything, and White-Ra doesn't have that great results either.


I highly doubt you can say ClouD is better tvt than thorzain based one one series :S ThorZaiN definitely had his chances, i'd back him in a Bo7 any day of the week.

Grubby looks really really strong lately, saw him streaming from Korea, looked good. Obviously can't call him top 3 or 4 protoss in EU, but he's a top EU player now IMO.



I'm not basing it on that one series ;p.

Before he broke his hand/arm his marine/tank play was among the best, and TZ's can look shaky.
It appears I have been chosen.
VegaNZ
Profile Joined August 2011
New Zealand317 Posts
October 22 2011 14:24 GMT
#2963
On October 22 2011 23:23 VegaNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:22 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:21 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:19 VegaNZ wrote:
0:00

MC vs Mana

Game 2 on Metalopolis

Mana is up 1 game to 0.

Mana spawns at 1 o'clock
MC spawns at 3 o'clock

Close by air.


3:00 - standard openings by both players - gate, gas, core.


4:30 - MC adds second gas, Mana has not.


5:30 - Mana is 4 gating, MC adds 2 gates. Mana catches MC's stalker out on the map.


7:00 - Mana loses early units out on the map, MC takes out the forward pylons nullifying Mana's 4 gate. Mana now adding a second gas and a robo. MC getting twilight council
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 14:25:07
October 22 2011 14:24 GMT
#2964
On October 22 2011 23:21 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:20 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:14 Fyzar wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:12 Jehct wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:11 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:07 Jehct wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:05 AxionSteel wrote:
It depends what you mean by A-Team, Grubby might not be top 3 protoss in EU, but he's still a top european player. Europe has a lot more depth than NA.

A-team would be the top10 in any particular region, no? I mean, how big are your teams O_o


So when you look at Europe, you have Mana, nerchio, stephano, thorzain, naniwa, jinro, sjow, sase, hasuobs, socke, dimaga, morrow, Kas, White Ra, Strelok etc etc, that's far more than 10, and there's many more, I don't think you can say there's only ten A team players in Europe. I'd rather rank by tiers, all of them are top European players, and I'd put Grubby and Cloud as a top tier European player as well. 2nd Tier would probably include LiveZerg, though.


I just wouldn't put Grubby/Cloud on the same level as Whitera/Thorzain at all, and if they are, they haven't shown it in terms of results.

Perhaps ClouD is overall not on the level of ThorZaIN, but TvT wise ClouD is better.

Grubby would be the second tier of protosses at the moment I THINK, behind Nani/Sase/MaNa, but he can beat all of them. Don't really know that for certain, seeing as we haven't seen too much of him since he went to Korea.

Also, results are not everything, and White-Ra doesn't have that great results either.


I highly doubt you can say ClouD is better tvt than thorzain based one one series :S ThorZaiN definitely had his chances, i'd back him in a Bo7 any day of the week.

Grubby looks really really strong lately, saw him streaming from Korea, looked good. Obviously can't call him top 3 or 4 protoss in EU, but he's a top EU player now IMO.




ClouD is probably the best TvT in europe atm. If you wanna study the matchup, he's the guy to go to. Not really surprised he won over ThorZain.



Cloud and Sjow proberly the best in TvT atm in EU. But its hard to call it can change so fast
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 22 2011 14:24 GMT
#2965
blink for mc
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
VegaNZ
Profile Joined August 2011
New Zealand317 Posts
October 22 2011 14:24 GMT
#2966
On October 22 2011 23:24 VegaNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:23 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:22 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:21 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:19 VegaNZ wrote:
0:00

MC vs Mana

Game 2 on Metalopolis

Mana is up 1 game to 0.

Mana spawns at 1 o'clock
MC spawns at 3 o'clock

Close by air.


3:00 - standard openings by both players - gate, gas, core.


4:30 - MC adds second gas, Mana has not.


5:30 - Mana is 4 gating, MC adds 2 gates. Mana catches MC's stalker out on the map.


7:00 - Mana loses early units out on the map, MC takes out the forward pylons nullifying Mana's 4 gate. Mana now adding a second gas and a robo. MC getting twilight council


8:00 - Blink on the way for MC, robo completes for Mana who is chrono'ing out an observer. Supplies are even.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 22 2011 14:25 GMT
#2967
warp prism for mana
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
humbre
Profile Joined August 2011
353 Posts
October 22 2011 14:25 GMT
#2968
On October 22 2011 23:21 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:20 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:14 Fyzar wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:12 Jehct wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:11 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:07 Jehct wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:05 AxionSteel wrote:
It depends what you mean by A-Team, Grubby might not be top 3 protoss in EU, but he's still a top european player. Europe has a lot more depth than NA.

A-team would be the top10 in any particular region, no? I mean, how big are your teams O_o


So when you look at Europe, you have Mana, nerchio, stephano, thorzain, naniwa, jinro, sjow, sase, hasuobs, socke, dimaga, morrow, Kas, White Ra, Strelok etc etc, that's far more than 10, and there's many more, I don't think you can say there's only ten A team players in Europe. I'd rather rank by tiers, all of them are top European players, and I'd put Grubby and Cloud as a top tier European player as well. 2nd Tier would probably include LiveZerg, though.


I just wouldn't put Grubby/Cloud on the same level as Whitera/Thorzain at all, and if they are, they haven't shown it in terms of results.

Perhaps ClouD is overall not on the level of ThorZaIN, but TvT wise ClouD is better.

Grubby would be the second tier of protosses at the moment I THINK, behind Nani/Sase/MaNa, but he can beat all of them. Don't really know that for certain, seeing as we haven't seen too much of him since he went to Korea.

Also, results are not everything, and White-Ra doesn't have that great results either.


I highly doubt you can say ClouD is better tvt than thorzain based one one series :S ThorZaiN definitely had his chances, i'd back him in a Bo7 any day of the week.

Grubby looks really really strong lately, saw him streaming from Korea, looked good. Obviously can't call him top 3 or 4 protoss in EU, but he's a top EU player now IMO.




ClouD is probably the best TvT in europe atm. If you wanna study the matchup, he's the guy to go to. Not really surprised he won over ThorZain.

but goody>cloud!!
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
October 22 2011 14:25 GMT
#2969
Anyone got an idea when does the semi finals and the final will be played?
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
VegaNZ
Profile Joined August 2011
New Zealand317 Posts
October 22 2011 14:25 GMT
#2970
On October 22 2011 23:24 VegaNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:24 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:23 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:22 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:21 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:19 VegaNZ wrote:
0:00

MC vs Mana

Game 2 on Metalopolis

Mana is up 1 game to 0.

Mana spawns at 1 o'clock
MC spawns at 3 o'clock

Close by air.


3:00 - standard openings by both players - gate, gas, core.


4:30 - MC adds second gas, Mana has not.


5:30 - Mana is 4 gating, MC adds 2 gates. Mana catches MC's stalker out on the map.


7:00 - Mana loses early units out on the map, MC takes out the forward pylons nullifying Mana's 4 gate. Mana now adding a second gas and a robo. MC getting twilight council


8:00 - Blink on the way for MC, robo completes for Mana who is chrono'ing out an observer. Supplies are even.


9:00 - Mana building a warp prism. MC supply blocked, as blink completes for MC. Zealot drop on the way for Mana
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 22 2011 14:25 GMT
#2971
mana dropping zealots in mc's minline
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
October 22 2011 14:26 GMT
#2972
o.O MC gonna lose to mana?!?!?
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
October 22 2011 14:26 GMT
#2973
Nice move by Mana, MC caught off guard
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 22 2011 14:26 GMT
#2974
real nice harassing, mana even escapes with the prism, well ahead
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
zuRbeK
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland27 Posts
October 22 2011 14:26 GMT
#2975
Holy ****, MC is so dead now :D
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 22 2011 14:26 GMT
#2976
this is pretty game over tbh, wp by mana
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 22 2011 14:26 GMT
#2977
YEahhhhhhhhh MAaaaaaaannnnnAAAAAA!!!!!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
October 22 2011 14:26 GMT
#2978
Mana is awesome!
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
October 22 2011 14:27 GMT
#2979
mana is good people realized it now?
VegaNZ
Profile Joined August 2011
New Zealand317 Posts
October 22 2011 14:27 GMT
#2980
On October 22 2011 23:25 VegaNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:24 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:24 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:23 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:22 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:21 VegaNZ wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:19 VegaNZ wrote:
0:00

MC vs Mana

Game 2 on Metalopolis

Mana is up 1 game to 0.

Mana spawns at 1 o'clock
MC spawns at 3 o'clock

Close by air.


3:00 - standard openings by both players - gate, gas, core.


4:30 - MC adds second gas, Mana has not.


5:30 - Mana is 4 gating, MC adds 2 gates. Mana catches MC's stalker out on the map.


7:00 - Mana loses early units out on the map, MC takes out the forward pylons nullifying Mana's 4 gate. Mana now adding a second gas and a robo. MC getting twilight council


8:00 - Blink on the way for MC, robo completes for Mana who is chrono'ing out an observer. Supplies are even.


9:00 - Mana building a warp prism. MC supply blocked, as blink completes for MC. Zealot drop on the way for Mana


11:00 - Mana's zealot drop causing chaos for MC who has stopped all mining and MC bringing his base back. Big supply lead for Mana, 15 probes to 26 - Mana in the lead. Mana has his own Twilight council on the way.
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